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Direct quote from 2kool4skewl (link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446175.msg5240892#msg5240892):
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No, there is no conspiracy.  Nem's whole concept is ridiculous.  Even its slogan was copied from Nxt.  It claims it is a "new economic movement", but they got that concept from my quote about Nxt being "not just another cryptocurrency, but a movement".  Nxt is the true "new economic movement".

It claims it is a "no envy movement", but the only reason it exists is for people to try to replicate Nxt's monetary success.

Nem's distribution is highly concentrated.  Currently, Nxt is even more distributed than Bitcoin.

Everyone who is "investing in Nem" is wasting their money imo, but people can make their own decision.

That's it for me with 2kool4skewl. You know before I wrote that he would be a valuable member to this community, but it's time to face facts: 2kool4skewl is denouncing NEM in many threads. After this he can not just simply say that he was only questioning NEM. He is trying to make it look bad!

I want him removed as a stakeholder. There can not possibly be any value in having a stakeholder among us who is going around and telling people that NEM is a waste of money and that it is created only by envious people trying to feed their greed.

Now I am suggesting a democratic vote on behalf of the community to remove 2kool4skewl from the stakeholder list. This will end any possible accusations made against Utopian future for removing 2kool4skewl about him being a dictator. The community has the right to remove members that it does not want to have!

i'll take steak  :D

I voted NO, NEM is a free movement and there should be no discrimination against any individual. I am happy that 2kool4skewl is a stakeholder, it's good to see a Nxt reputable member participating in NEM

Considering his conduct, I'm pretty certain his intent is not to be an active participant in NEM, instead the only activity he continually produces is means of smearing NEM.

As much as i agree with people that a person shouldn't be removed for their beliefs, if he had any faith in NEM, he would be proposing idea's to resolve his concerns, or at least cooperating with people to do such.

Instead, he makes posts like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446175.msg5240892#msg5240892

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448643.msg5246728

I acknowledge in many scenario's he has valid concerns, but the way in which he goes about it is just wrong from my perspective. He's not being cooperative at all, just confrontational at every turn. He knew what he was getting into when he claimed his stake (For free, i might add) yet still seems content to behave in the way in which he does. The process has been made very transparent by UP and i genuinely don't see what Kool is trying to accomplish.

From what I understand, the offer to reinstate his stake is there, and instead of giving a clear answer of "Yes or no" he is now instead kicking up a storm about being removed in the first place. I don't like his conduct whatsoever and I can only imagine (Being a stakeholder in NXT) he deems NEM a threat and wishes to see it's demise.


I too own stake in NXT, and i believe any success for one is success for the other.

I voted with much careful thoughts about this poor chap.
In a political polite way i say F@ck him, he's a complete F@cked up W@anker.
i do feel sorry for such a person, but professional therapy would help him.

This is absolutely disgusting.

NEM is turning out to be joke.

So if majority of "voters" decide they can steal your coins in future, that will part of NEM code?

You guys are losing your credibility already, even before the launch

What utter tripe. Sorry, but this really is ridiculous.

You know when someone can't provide a fair opposing argument when they start using such gross exaggerations.


Claiming a stake in many respects is an implied agreement you wish to contribute to the success of that coin. This is something i'm not seeing from Kool at all. Yes, by all means, express your concerns, but at least offer to the table a means of solution - this is not the case with Kool. I see plenty of posts running NEM down and seldom if any real suggestions to offer solutions.

I think regardless of the vote here, Kool should be asked if he wishes to have his stake reinstated. Of which i expect him to not answer just to give him further justification for his smear campaign - all of this has already happend.

That's not the point. If the "majority" in NEM, Nxt and other descendents can conceive removing someone else's stake by force because they don't like how a member posts in a forum (or for other arbitrary reason), they actually can and will confiscate by either majority decision, patching the code or other method. Is this true or not?

Can this kind of voting be arranged at all, coz there exist none official NEM members yet.
Only active NEM IPO team.

I have seen him bad mouthing NEM in many threats, using lies to damage us.
He is not interested in participating and helping community, but he is too greedy to not reserve stake in NEM.
He hates it (you can feel that negative emotional connotation in his posts), but obviously he has no ethical principles that would stop him from wanting piece of something he is fighting against.

A person creating a war, but making sure that even if he lose he profit.
Do not be naive, he is not being honest about his "concerns about NEM", it is absolutly obvious he is concerned only about his NXT stake value.

Have you seen him giving NEM team advices, suggestions? helping? participating? If he was concerned he could just discuss matters with NEM team and community, but that is not what he was doing. He was rather going around other threats spreading FUD.

It is not his opinion, it is his agenda.

I vote Yes
We should let more people to own it,turn enemy to be friend.

No, as a matter of fact, lets do what utopian said to do.

I say the more the merrier, but it is up to the development team.

+1

Are you people re-enacting a scene from Animal Farm, or are you just all idiots?

Oh, I see... idiots.

Edit: Not a troll. I really do think you people are stupid, and possibly deranged.

"That means every stakeholder will have an equal and fair share of NEM when NEM blockchain officially starts." - UtopianFuture 2014-01-19 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422129.msg4592223#msg4592223)

"I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list" - UtopianFuture 2014-02-20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg5258917#msg5258917)

All stakes are equal, but some stakes are more equal than others.

2kool4skewl should be kept stakeholder unless he is willing to give up.

Give the man his stake in NEM, he is after all one of the founders of NXT.

Just because he spread a little bit of FUD, he is still entitled to his share.

NEM may not of been here without him.

I voted "No" to help the justice to happen but I assume this voting incorrect! Everyone can speak whatever he wants! and everyone can be a stakeholder of whatever coin he wants! There should be no limitation! and There should be no voting to limit or not!

I voted no because otherwise a dangerous precedent is being set whereby the majority can penalise the minority, leading eventually to group think and ultimately disaster. Everyone must be allowed to express their opinion even if they are also actively trying to undermine NEM whilst at the same time keeping their personal options open regarding its future success. I hope this will be the last such poll.

Whats your problem? If u dont even like to coin, why on earth u wanna be a stakeholder ? And UP has said that you just need to say that you're Interested again and then you get your stakes back.

As i looked in your recent post, i didnt see any real conversation just crying and whining without evidence or even logic thinking. Critics are allways welcome and can drive good things, but this one men saga aint nothing to overcome.

Majority of human beings doesnt gives a flyin f--k about any cryptocurrencies, so it is sad that in this Forum so many goes to idiotic cock fights instead try a make difference...

My problem is that I was forcefully removed from the genesis block by UtopianFuture.  His actions have caused a mob mentality to be instilled in the Nem community and they are trying to decide the fate of my stake.  This is wrong and unethical.

This mob vote is caused because he can't keep his word and has no leadership abilities.  If he was a real leader, he would say, "I said every stakeholder will have an equal and fair share of NEM when the NEM blockchain officially starts, so EVERY STAKEHOLDER WILL HAVE AN EQUAL AND FAIR SHARE OF NEM WHEN THE NEM BLOCKCHAIN OFFICIALLY STARTS!"

I was concerned that people were giving their Nxt and Btc to a project that offered no substantial innovation which required a dev fund.  I think any small innovation that Nem has should be included in Nxt, because it doesn't make sense to collect peoples' Nxt to fund a small change.  I didn't give Nxt or Btc for my Nem stake.  When I posted that I was interested, there wasn't a plan to collect Nxt or Btc for a dev fund.

So basically, first you were like fok it and then when u lost it, u made a comeback cryin that thats unfair. Still i do not understand why u even need a share?
I surely can understand your anger if you feel that you wanted your share back, but i think thats not the question. Seems like that u just want make big dilemma about that.

I think that it is unethical to try make NEM look bad and at the same time scream for ur share. In my pount of view its also unethical make a false claims about ongoing development about NEM innovations. It is goo early to judge whole project.

And as u have queted u can read, "when the NEM BLOCKCHAIN officially starts" It has not started even yet ...

for one; think if you dont have something to contribute dont talk crap abt it.

I did not say that I did not want my stake.  Do you think that UtopianFuture should just be able to take away someone's stake until the genesis block is formed?

I do have something to contribute.  I do not think Nem should collect Nxt or Btc from people and give them little innovation.

Of course not, but as in your case it doesnt seems that anyone thought u want your stake. And as i know u will get ur stake back, soon as u tell that u want it. Its seems to me that people thought that u were very against NEM and thats why UP made decision to freeze your share. And IMO thats fair because i still dont understand why anyone want to be part something they dislike...

And as i have said Critics are welcome and can make a difference, single minded mob mentality aint that good either, but u have just made complaiments and do suggestions etc how things Could be better

Golden rule my friend!

Nem have the right to collect NXT or BTC from people even if you think it's little innovation in it!
You have the right to hold your stake of Nem even if you have some negative opinions!

"Do to no one what you yourself dislike."

Just because I disagree with a leadership decision does not mean that I do not want my stake.  UtopianFuture took my stake because he didn't like what I was saying.

If you say anything UtopianFuture doesn't like, he will take your stake until you re-vow your allegiance.

Single question: In theoretical view, explain why you are Interested about your share?

Cos, i cant understand. You had'nt even pay on it and your contribute is comblain that others had paid. So ? This is a free world, none was forced to buy stake even when you think there is no innovation etc. Maybe some folks just like me just want to be part of developing new coin from scratch and watch the project.

I think u are just whining, unethical, hypocrite at the same time.

Under this logic, if you don't agree with your government's policies, you are a traitor.

If I don't like a place and I don't agree with the people living there, I won't go there but leave them in peace. respect.

Assume he states (again) that he wants it.   What if he says something "negative" after that?  Does he lose his stake again, having again to re-ask?  
He already stated prior to page 20 that he is interested and never stated otherwise.  Seizing someone's stake because of expressed opinions is a slippery slope.   Also the reasons that he wants a stake in NEM should entirely be his own that he may wish to share or not, but should not be a condition to be allowed to own the stake.

Exactly.  I still dont understand why this guy even bother, if u dont like NEM feel free to spam it over the internet but expect be threated like that kind of person would be threated..

I thinks it is complety fair take his share off, he did not buy or make any contribute to it, and has some dilemma and war against NEM in general.

And i didnt seem that really personal question if im just asking why he one part of something that he dislikes.

IMO i dont care of he is "somebody" in nxt community, regarding his post he is a total arsehole, no mater where you look.

Not the greatest comparison i've ever seen. Especially as people generally flee their countries if they dislike their government enough, which ironically is something we dont see from you regarding NEM.

Instead of taking peoples eyes off the ball by focusing on the fact that you've had your stake removed, why not give Utopian and the NEM community the answer they're looking for; do you want it back, or not? The offer has been made.


I again do not expect a straight answer.


I also wouldn't call whats taking place "Mob mentality" The vote clearly speaks for itself. It's literally almost a 50/50 stance (and regardless of the vote here, i don't believe it'll have any bearing on a future outcome - it's just reflective of the overall stance of the NEM community) In fact, with this in mind it clearly demonstrates how diplomatic the community is trying to be.

I personally don't wish to see your stake removed unless you request it, but nonetheless, i can understand the confusion behind it as every post you made implied (quite strongly) you wished to have no part in NEM.




I'm sorry, but as long as the offer to reinstate his stake is still there, this argument is completely redundant; by continually pressing this issue while a solution is still there (Either reclaim the stake or not) then all you're serving to do is just further run down the coin and it's community, which is precisely the reason why we are here in the first place.

Frankly, i think all of this is unnecessary.

Hi here is my stance on this issue. This poll is made to gauge NEM community's opinion on the issue. I will take input from this poll but I am running the fundraising on behalf of the development team and it is my sole responsibility to uphold the social contract and principles in the first page of the fundraising. It will not be a democratic decision.

Please read this post to understand how the fundraising is operated https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426303.msg5283736#msg5283736

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There are two points everyone should understand.

1. The development team did not sell NEM stakes or actively looked for passive investors during the fundraising; This is the purpose of the fundraising "We are looking for active participants that can help NEM in particular and the decentralized network culture in general" . There were fee /promotional condition to participate in NEM and when we have an unified group of stakeholders we will divide all NEM (minus development shares) equally to all stakeholders. In essence, the goal of the fundraising process is to build the community and funding that can help to move the NEM platform forward.

2. This is the disclaimer applying for the fundraising "While we are committed to the idea of "Fair Distribution - Equal Shares for ALL "; the fund raising terms are subject to changes upon the discretion of the development team."

These are taken "words by words" from the fundraising page. If you misunderstood these terms by the time of registration or now disagree with them, you are now free to leave and I will refund what you contributed in.

There are a plenty of associations out there and you are free to leave this one and join what you like, and yes based on the disclaimer the development team has the power to not accept a certain account in our stakeholder list.
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The authorship of the fundraising process belongs to me. After the fundraising is over and an final stakeholder list is made, at this point I would consider my job of fundraising  is over; the NEM community is officially formed and the community will operate under some key principles and community's rules.

Clearly a lonely TROLL, It's evident that he has some sicko hatred against NEM.
Use that stake for something positive like KOOL FAUCET. in the mean time just ignore this sicko.

What a disgusting mess. Shame on all of you!

What a turnoff for NEM. Good luck with your sense of "community". I think you just lost it.

Ugh, NEM is what I hate about this altcoin craze. Such a ponzi scheme.

Just because I disagreed with a policy doesn't make me a traitor to the cause or the people.

PLUS this thread reads like a play about a bunch of mental defectives who think they're running a fascist banana republic.

I will not re-pledge my allegiance to a movement to which I was never disloyal.  If this means UtopianFuture and the Nem community take away my stake then so be it.

I voted No.
We should be frendly to each other.
It's easy to make mistake "Yes" to vote 2kool4skewl  as a member,isn't it ::).

The community voted that I should keep my stake.  "Utopian"Future give me back my stake.

Yes, he does not conform to the spirit of the New Economic Movement - 47 (45.2%)
No, he is entitled to he's stake - 57 (54.8%)
   
Total Voters: 104

Whatever is worth doing is worth doing well, i sincerely hope that we can work together to make NEM better!

congratulations  ;D!

I'd have guessed ;   Total Voters: 104  :)