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I cannot find anywhere on their site where they explain how they are provably fair, even though they claim to be on their thread. All of my replies on their other thread have been deleted and I suggest the other accounts that are supporting him are also run by him, and he also talks in a very unprofessional manner.

I will delete this thread as soon as concrete evidence of their provable fairness is provided.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485708.0

EDIT: As people that like to support RGC seem to think, this is not about their signature program. This is about them claiming to be provably fair, and not being, and also not backing up their own claims.

I am siding with you on this one!

If he has nothing to hide why doesn't he just show us some proof of funds or use an escrow?

No one acts like this if he/she has nothing to hide.

He also refuses to show proof of funds or escrow or pay in advance for his signature program. I predict that he will pay out, but the only people recieving the payments will be his other accounts and some other people. He could run a legitimate sig program just to direct more people to his scam.

After directing me to his "Provably fair section it says by viewing this banner, a new section is availible in my account for provably fair.

• I was not logfed in and had never made an account
• Does this mean the casino isn't provably fair u til you look at this?
• After attempting to make an account, I was told my 16 character password was roo short. I proceeded to make a 32 character password. Also too short. I then made a 100 character password. Too short.
  

The casino continues to not be provably fair.

And where is this big red button in lower right hand corner?

Yeah I agree also and I never got to play it.  They even changed there location on the domain info I think.  I have the the first info. They said they were going to find me and take me to court just cause I was going to report them for TOS the forum, and this is not defamation.  If your not provably fair then they are a bunch of liars about there game being provably fair. So Im with you RGBKey

His current trust states that he did not pay out a sig before. So now I'm extending my accusation to include running a fake campaign. His trust is here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=227066

Put a link to his thread in the OP.

I'd usually advise against using any new sig deal unless they go out of their way to prove that they're legit - ie pay upfront or use escrow. Offering much more than Stunna also makes me have doubts. Usually users who offer such high rates never pay out and disappear soon after with a months worth of free advertising. Deleting posts also isn't going to help your case whether you're legit or not.

Done. I have left him negative trust because of his actions so far.

His first payout seems to be on Saturday as the new term starts at the begging of the month so we'll see if he pays out then.

It won't kill me to lose a few days of revenue but I agree will just need to wait 2 more days to see if there is a payout for this month

He left this trust on my profile today after sending me this message:

http://puu.sh/7eUGP.png


Of course I'm not going to do anything, but it seems like he's getting angry at the fact that I have him beat.

RGC, please clear up these allegations against you and I will remove my rating. Thanks!

Thank you, also take a look at his sent trust, it's all copy paste to everyone that was getting their posts deleted in his thread speaking out against him.

http://puu.sh/7eVhC.png

Hasn't he paid out a few people now though? And I think that feedback is mostly retaliatory, but that's not the best way to handle this.

This thread is not only about his signature program, but how his casino says it's provably fair and has not proven itself yet. It's going to cost a lot of money with the rates he has right now if enough people sign up for his sig program again this month too.

Yeah, I'm also sceptical he'll pay out, because paying out for a week is different from paying out for a full month, but we'll see. Hopefully he does though, but he's going about trying to gain rep and trust the wrong way.

Copying and pasting the same messages...for gods sake.

he left me neg also and i have many positives and he did same to tomatoe cage

Hey there!  Long time no talk.  I recently had a similar situation where someone wrongly tagged me with negative trust for pointing out their issues.

Don't worry...they aren't in most people's trust circles, and Tomatocage is in the Default trust circle.  Not to mention that TC has left him negative trust, as well.  People will see his ratings & make the right call, hopefully.

The only person who's making you show up as red is Kouye - I'd address that loan thread w/ him and see if you guys can clear that up.  Other than that, no one would even see it unless they went in & clicked "Show Untrusted Feedback"

I had contacted Kouyo many times about the situation and had tried to handle it professionally.  I had taken my negative off him, hoping he would have done the same, as I had prooved im not a scammer.  So then I left mine on him as well cause I dont think hes a bad person but misjudged me by mistake.

I have retracted my initial negative rating.
Despite all the negative feedback, their service is very cooperative. Anytime I had a glitch in any game (like hangup) they credited me the full credit amount back.

Guys the OP made another User name and casino to bump his casinos on here, on the gambling Section, now that against TOS, isnt it

Same Casino!!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497526.0

He made a new thread in services too. TomatoCage, can you do anything about this?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497570.msg0#new

Leave him negative rep again.

yeah Im gonna neg him for this.  This is abuse of the forums

Ok guys lets answer some questions. We should point out that every person who tries to make us out as a scammer etc are those with primedice signatures. Funny about that.  Shame because we pay more for signatures.

Anyway...
To answer RGBKEY
We are provably fair. In fact this is what appears on our site:
 
To guarantee a 100% fair deck, we are using a complex algorithm that combines the power of
random.org and the Fisher-Yates algorithm for actually shuffling the cards.
First we are shuffling the deck using the custom seed which was built like described above,
with the Fisher-Yates algorithm and then we are using the API of random.org to generate another
random seed for shuffling the cards one more time. The involvement of a neutral 3rd party in this
(random.org) to help shuffle the deck once more, reduces the chance of manipulating anything to 0%.
Our software is "provably fair" meaning that the gameplay data of each hand played can be tested if it was randomly shuffled, by checking the "Gameplay history" page.
To enhance your trust, we would like to inform you how each gameplay works.
By clicking on this banner, a new section has been made available in the my account area, which allows you to edit how many times each deck is shuffled and the seed number used to shuffle the deck.
By allowing you to modify these 2 variables used in our games we allow you to play your own part in the mixing of the cards and the slot machine reels and influence the fairness of the games making everything 100% fair.
Each time a new gameplay is started, the deck is shuffled, like in any real casino, and if requested, it can be showed to you after the gameplay has finished. To see this, all you have to do is go to the "Gameplay history" page and click on DETAILS.
The deck is shuffled as many times as you requested. Also, when shuffling the deck, the seed used for shuffling is created from a combination of server-side code and client-side code. This way, the seed used for shuffling the numbers from the deck cannot be manipulated by neither us or by the player. To guarantee a 100% fair deck, we are using a complex algorithm that combines the power of random.org and the Fisher-Yates algorithm for actually shuffling the cards. First we are shuffling the deck using the custom seed which was built like described above, with the Fisher-Yates algorithm and then we are using the API of random.org to generate another random seed for shuffling the cards one more time. The involvement of a neutral 3rd party in this (random.org) to help shuffle the deck once more, reduces the chance of manipulating anything to 0%, making this a 100% fair solution.
By using the above method, we give you control over two very important things:
1.You are allowed to influence the way the deck is shuffled, by setting the custom seed.
2.You will know how many times the deck was shuffled.

Also, once you have logged in there is a provably fair link. click it and you can shuffle and it gives you a rng seed number.


For everyone else that is calling us "scammers" Do you have any proof of this? Has anyone EVER said they where not paid by us?
NO ONE has made that claim. Because we pay everyone.  In other words we are asking you all to put up or shut up.
Show ANY proof we are scammers. For those that ask us to show our bitcoin wallet. What we have in our wallet is none of
your business. Show us your bank account. If we asked you that , you would say the same thing.

 I should also point out that we will be one of the first bitcoin casinos in the world to be fully licensed. That means we are audited by the government and we cannot and will not try to scam anyone at the risk of losing a license.

 That should clear up all of the sceptics. So RGBKEY stick to what you said in the thread and remove this thread.  Also we will remove all neg trust if you all do the same. That choice is up to you. If you remove the neg let us know so we can do the same in return.  

Best ,
RitzGrandCasino
 

Licensed where?  in the USA,
Also if your licensed then why you need to hide your identity?

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Zolace, that is a generic thing that godaddy uses for domain proxies.  All domains that use a proxy get that address, using godaddys service
The name registrar for the domain is in the usa.

We are in the UK.

so again where are you licensed exactly in the UK.  Why your not using licensed software? 

Because bitcoin is not considered a currency of any particular country and therefore there is no requirement of a licence.
(just yet anyway)

so if your not licensed your software can be rouge.  Also you grabbed that info from someone elses thread.  I seen it somewhere.

No other bitcoin software is licensed either. As far as we know. Primedice etc etc. There is no need for a licence using bitcoin.
We didn't grab anything off anyone. We should also point out that zolace was that impressed by our software he wanted to buy it himself. Yes we have the conversation logs to post up here if anyone wants to read it. The only thing that stopped him was the $$$.  Be honest and admit to that zolace.

 

lol I wanted to buy your software?    ha ha ha ha, thats the funniest lie I read, so now your going to make up some stuff and photo shop it to frame me, that is genius.    I never in a thousand years want to operate a rouge casino.

oh you forgot the conversation you had with us on our site?  Let me get the screen shot to remind you. You also claimed you wanted to fly out to meet us.
Dude, you couldn't even afford a 2nd hand big mac on ebay!
 

You know what I did my part now you will be judged and thanks for showing all of us your true colors.  As long as us the community stick together, you will never operate on here, unless you can prove certain things. See ya later alligator.

oh zolace don't run off because we are going to show the chat we had. Just admit it that you wanted to buy our software.
zolace is the guest. Enjoy the read!

  Guest 8168 Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:35:07 +0000   
 
 is it just they are in such demand or what.. why are they so high to get hands on? 
 

  james Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:35:08 +0000   
 
 you would need to populate the casino with games and that costs $$$$ . Then you need to advertise that's more $$$$$. So at the end of the day, you need lots of capital.
 

  Guest 8168 Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:35:33 +0000   
 
 yeah SEO stuff no problem in Korea 
 

  james Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:35:38 +0000   
 
 supply and demand. 
 

  Guest 8168 Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:35:47 +0000   
 
 yeah i guess so   
 

  Guest 8168 Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:36:09 +0000   
 
 mmm maybe i will just hire some coders in korea for a few months and develop my own im sure possible for much cheaper 
 

  james Mon, 10 Feb 14 16:36:26 +0000   
 
 everyone shops around just like you did and found the most logical answer depending on their $$$
 

This shows how far your willing to scam and lie to protect yourself, again everyone check my feedback of all the good business I had done here.  You even got a negative from Tomatoe Cage.  Why you keep making things worse for yourself.  What you should have done is fought with positive comments and listen to people.  You wont make it far with this kinda attitude. 

Zolace why wont you admit it was you in that chat? Just admit it. We are not making anything worse. We are answering truthfully everyones questions including yours. But you just don't reciprocate in answering truthfully.

I WILL ASK AGAIN: DID YOU WANT TO BUY OUR SOFTWARE? YES/NO
Just answer the question truthfully.

I have retracted my initial negative rating for RGC, and here's why: Though there are allegations that he is using a method that isn't provably fair, users play at their own risk as with any other gambling site. Whether they play under the (possible) wrongful assumption that the system is fair is questionable, but not necessarily enough to warrant negative mark on their Trust. My decision isn't set in stone though, and I'll continue to monitor this thread for more evidence.

Thank you for your common sense. I am sure the others will use their common sense too and see the same.

He committed retaliatory feedback against many others plus posted two casino threads in the gambling section.  Plus he made threats to sue me for warning him that he had violated the TOS of the site.  He made two accounts and neg me with both accounts.  I dont think he deserves a retraction from anyone.  My two cents.  also he lies that I had asked for there software and I never had any interest opening a casino.

Zolace , answer the question.  3rd time we have asked.

I WILL ASK AGAIN: DID YOU WANT TO BUY OUR SOFTWARE? YES/NO
Just answer the question truthfully.

Avoidance tells us the following.  
1) your a troll
2) You have no credibility
3) you make defamatory claims that are totally false. (hence the court action)
4) You are jealous of our software as you don't have the funds to buy some yourself

I think we are proving our point very well.

We are still waiting for you and your  "friends" to prove their claims.

Thank you to membersound who has also retracted the claims.
The only ones not to retract are those that are  prime dice signature advertisers.

Funny about that. ::) Or a coincidence?
 
See, the truth now prevails.

Perhaps RitzGrandCasino has confused me for someone else; as I've never contacted them, nor have any interest in their software, or opening any sort of casino. Clearly they are working on a false assumption. Further, they have threatened me with a ridiculous "defamation" lawsuit in Korea; and yet, as I am an American, seems there's a bit of a jurisdictional problem for them.  One might wonder how well an online casino which regularly threatens and cajoles others could operate.  If you cant figure that is a yes or no, then I think you need to go back to school and get yourself a real education. 

Zolace, you are a rotten troll and lier. You slipped up. lol
Now get lost.

See ya in court.   ;D

Im gonna welcome my day in court and I am pleased to have you fly me at your expense to lovely Korea, as Ive heard the kimchi is delicious.   I hope I can stay at your lovely RitzGrandCasino.  Also a spelling tip for you, is not lier. It is spelled liar.  Now see you later Hogi.

Also he felt the need to create a thread calling me a troll and further trying to affiliate me with PrimeDice just because I partake in their signature program.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499148.0

Childlike.

It is the only way to stop losers like you. Hit hard and keep on hitting.

You must be worried that you have broken the prime dice rules.  Go cry to mummy  that you may not be able to afford your next burger because you have been trolling. lol

I've had replies (that were relevant to his thread) deleted by RGC, so he certainly does that.

what do you know another prime dice signature troll

You need to calm down with that shit, son.  PD pays (or they did until the rule change) the most per post with a history of successful payments.  I'd guess 25-40% of active posters have a PD ad in their sig.

You are trying to derail from the thread, which is about you scamming, not being provably fair, and deleting replies.  I can't say that you are a scam, because I've never trusted you with any money.  I can't say that you aren't provably fair, because honestly I doubt that I have the ability to run the math needed to check that.  It would be irresponsible for me to make a statement on either of those two things.

But I do have experience with you deleting replies.  You deleted my replies (after you responded to them) for no good reason other then it made you look bad (because you said something that wasn't consistent with what was said in your T&C).  I don't know why you would do that, I wasn't being mean or rude or hurling any sort of accusations, I just wanted a classification before I considered depositing on your site.  It struck me as a very odd thing to do.

fur = another prime dice troll 
 

I agree, I guess I have a defense here when you take me to court, when you invite me to Korea.

Dont mean to hurt anyones feelings here, but im just going to put a bit of information out there anyway about the specific casino platform used on RitzGrandCasino that is available from www.casinowebscripts.com (http://www.casinowebscripts.com) Mind you, you can actually purchase this typical casino script from as low as $10,000US. Very low price for an online casino but for whoever decides to invest in this platform you risk losing your investment due to the bad name these casinos have since they are NOT FAIR after all.

PROOF:

https://i.imgur.com/X5dmKik.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Tvec8K4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3oHdT1Q.jpg


It is to my understanding that if one has the power to adjust their profit or loss %, then the outcomes are not randomised and therefore can NOT be provably fair.

In no way am I affiliated with any other online casino, or Prime Dice for that matter.

Thanks for posting that, I knew they were using a script but didn't know which one.

Not a worry at all. Just hope it gets out there in time for people to not lose too much money on this kind of platform. Maybe tomatocage might intervene here and let the forum know about this, since noone else can post this kind of info in the casino's thread without it being deleted I suppose.

The term provably fair was invented by 2 bitcoin game operators. This is  made to their way of thinking. It doesn't mean it's right or wrong. We are fully provably fair.  But then what is provably fair? Can someone come up with the equation. Actually find a equation that was not made by other operators but a respected 3rd party. Define it. And you think that even though a casino is "provably fair" it still could not cheat?  Especially ones that most of you play with no graphical interface. They are the easiest to cheat with.  

Let us point out to you some facts:
1) Provably fair is one of the biggest "false assurance" things out there. Just because a casino is "provably fair" doesn't mean they can't still cheat.

2) No real play for money casino gets into this provably fair stuff. Because not only it's BS. It doesn't stand for anything as it was made up by bitcoin casinos.

3) We are about to become a real play for money casino. So we would be the last to cheat people because we would be under the jurisdiction of the EU. The fines and possible jail time would not be worth it. Nothing is worth risking our licence for.

4) If these other guys are so "provably fair" and didn't cheat, then why don't they get a real licence?  Now have a real hard think about it. And ask yourselves the same question.

Ritz the whole point is that you specifically mention on your website that your casino is PROVABLY FAIR. All people ask of you is that you PROVE that it is fair. What you have just said now basically tells us that you cant prove its fair and now you point your fingers at other casinos saying they arent fair either so its ok for you to throw the term PROVABLY FAIR around like it means nothing. Good luck to you and your casino, really, those romanian game developers are good at what they do ill give them that much, but theres a legitimate way of running a gambling establishment and theres a shady way of running it too. Just saying.

Spartan, we are provably fair anyway.
That's the point.  Go to our website and see for yourself.
But it means nothing anyway. Have a look at the others server settings on their software. Then lets see who is honest.

I bet they wont show you their software back end.
For example primedice  do you know who made their software?
can you see the admin in any demo?

See what we are saying


When you apply for a REAL licence the govt audits your software. And checks for dishonesty. At ANYTIME they can check as they always have access to the servers. So who in their right mind would have something that is a scam when the govt can straight away see it?

Anyway guys, this is the last post we will make on this thread. We are too busy, to be wasting time on here.

Best,
RGC

Oh, you're going to go there? They don't need to show anybody jack shit, because they prove they are fair with strong cryptography. You claim you are fair withnothing but a promise that you are using some site and not pulling numbers out of your ass or just plain cheating. I don't know how many times  i have to say it, but you are not provably fair. You can't prove anything. Just because people smarter than you coined the term doesn't mean you have to get butthurt about it. You cannot prove you do not cheat, that is why you aren't provably fair. Not because I advertise another casino. Not because other casinos won't show you their proprietary code. It's because you are cheating but trying to use provably fair as a gimmick to reel in victims who don't understand the system. While, we're on the topic, why don't you show us your backend? I bet you won't and I can tell you why. It isn't a fair casino. And don't try to avoid this question by saying anything about primedice or any bullshit like that. How is your casino provably fair? Explain it step by step to me. I will show you how you can cheat.

I dont think you quite understand the concept and logic behind Provably Fair, so for arguments sake ill just leave it at good luck with your casino, im sure you will do well seeing as you can control the outcome. You need to make your investment back after all anyway otherwise whats the point right? Best of luck to you.

For anyone else reading through this forum im not speculating that RitzGrandCasino will not payout legitimate wins on his casino or for your signatures. Im sure the more "better" publicity for his casino, the higher the profit will be in the end. In my view I believe Ritz will honour his advertisement payouts, he has the advantage of making that back at whatever profit margin he chooses to do so.

Please, show us your liscense. Show us where the government audited your code.

Visibility bump because RGC has not provided evidence against the following claims.

Its amazing that people will advertise a site that is not provably fair.  Hes trying to offer higher sig so that he can get others to promote and draw traffic to a site that allows one user per house hold. meaning im sure the software lets you win a couple of time then starts taking from you.  Since if you make a new account and start all over again you can keep beating there system. 

Not necessarily zolace. The system is designed in a way that the overall payout percentage can only be incorporated across the board at any one time only. You can't change the percentage for certain games or certain individuals. So if u play your cards right being the casino manager u can make a pretty large profit by reeling everyone in this way:
Set large payout percentage to begin with, run at say $100K loss. Everyone sees how easy it is to win, they invite their friends, they have evidence that they are being paid out so it's a no brainer that the casino actually pays out. Then once u have a big enough customer base placing good sized wagers drop that payout percentage to a bare minimum and let the good times roll. Squeeze all the players out of their coins until there's no one left to squeeze. To top it off all of your "trial/free mode games" have a seperate payout percentage to your real games so you can trick newcomers into thinking they are very lucky with this casino and it really is "probably fair"

Visibility bump.

I noticed something that he's been doing for the last week or so, it appears that he's bumping his thread in the gambling section every day by deleting his bump from the day before and posting a new reply.  Not sure why, as bumping your thread once a day is allowed.

He is making a tonne of money running this scam but when it all comes down to it it's obvious that the moderators that have viewed this thread can't justify the evidence laid out and it's not enough to prove he is scamming as he is still legimately paying out at the end of the day.

That's what you're meant to do so the thread isn't just littered with bumps.

RitzGrandCasino actually left me negative feedback even though I'd never actually said anything bad about him and had actually kinda defended him several times. I messaged him asking why he left me feedback and he told me he'd remove it if I deleted my negative comments (there is none) and the feedback I left for him (I haven't even left him any feedback yet, but I'll be returning the favour shortly). I don't think he's the smartest tool in the box and he most certainly has no idea how to run a respectable business.

Link to where it says that that is the preferred method?  Personally I think it looks disingenuous, but maybe I'm just used to seeing it not done that way.

It's been mentioned several times by mods/admins. Look in meta or something.

As people that like to support RGC seem to think, this is not about their signature program. This is about them claiming to be provably fair, and not being, and also not backing up their own claims.

they also threaten people who defy them i also recieved threats over the phone, the guy even mentioned my son, fucking lowlifes

What? How did he get your phone number or know you have a kid?

He's threatening people because they can expose his casino as a scam. He stopped replying in this thread once I kept proving him wrong and using facts to beat his nonsense.

Now it appears they've resorted to sending me e-mails.

http://puu.sh/7A41Y.png

They sent an email to just say they're provably fair?

After I posted that they weren't.

Yeah I reported this and even had screenshots. hey buster where is my court date in Korea!!!!!

According to RitzGrandCasino's profile he's now a female called Sally haha.


As I said before that's what you're meant to do.

I only mentioned it once, but you responded to it twice.

I meant to quote the guy above.

Although they may pay out their signature, in my eyes it is still unethical to promote a casino that is run by amperson like this, is not provably fair and lies to and cheats players. I could join, even if I could because I doubt he would accept me at thus point, but I will not because I will never promite something like this.

Where has he lied and cheated players? Are you on a new sig deal now?

What does me being on a new sig deal have to do with anything? I'm impartial to sites. He cheats players because he tricks them into thinking his casino is provably fair when it isn't, and I can only assume that anybody running a fake provably fair system instead of none at all that refuses to believe that it is not provably fair is cheating players on the games they play.

Jeeze, I was just asking you as I haven't seen it advertised anywhere.

Every single one of the threads he has made have been self moderated. Are you trying to hide something Ritz?

After posting again on their self moderated thread, after my post was deleted of course, I got this wonderful threat.

http://puu.sh/7DOIb.png

Got another one.
http://puu.sh/7DOV9.png

Isn't it a crime to make fake legal threats?  If they don't actually attempt to bring charges against you in a reasonable time frame, don't you have a case against them for pain/suffering as well as legal fees for the lawyer that you should reasonably be putting on retainer now?

I think the amount of negative attention that Ritz got from go form numerous people didn't give him or her much of an option but to respond.  I haven't followed this matter that much and I don't plan to defend how this issue was handled I just wanted to state my basic feelings and opinions of this.   :)

He doesn't know who I am so it doesn't matter.

He has responded many times, and extremely childishly. He is getting negative attention because of how he handles things, and because his casino is not actually provably fair, which I've explained multiple times in this thread.

But if you know his casino is not legit, why don't you just stop using it? You can make a thread and all, but people that find it good will still use it, and people that don't won't. You think you're some kind of hero but really you're making no difference. Don't get me wrong, I haven't used the casino so I can't tell, just making a point.

I'm not sure he does use it, but the point is it's not good according to RGBKey and in his opinion people are potentially being scammed by using it, therefore he's calling out a scam/scammer. He's just trying to warm people to that.

Well so far I've seen no proof from his side, so it's word against word. Other users of RGC seem satisfied with the service.

I'm not the one that needs to give proof, it's RGC. The way he says his casino is prvably fair does not document anything, other than basically telling you they aren't cheating you. They have some BS in there about how "they get the numbers from random.org so there is a 0% chance we are scamming you". They cannot prove the numbers are random and not stacjed. They do not say how they come up with the results from the number. Any "client seed" you enter might as well just be a number you put in there to make you feel better. Not to mention the horrible security oractices, including limiting the keyspace for user passwords, emailing passwords in plaintext. Why would you gamble here when there are other casinos that are actually provably fair and have owners that don't act like children?

yeah they aint getting customers so, so they keep making new threads, and locking out old ones

This is his reason apparently:



I wonder if he'll use one of the above excuses to not pay anyone?

Eh, who cares if it's self moderated? Just screenshot all your posts in the thread, if he deletes them without a reason and you suspect scam, make your own thread about it.

Eh? This is the thread about it.

Yet the discussion is still about him having a self moderated topic rather than providing proof for actual scams? You're trying to make a point of something people have already made a point of several times.

RGBKey, you should start providing those proofs, people start moderated topics because they need to moderate them.
Evil trolls (this is not directed to you personally, don't get me wrong) are roaming these forums, you are implying that this serious problem does not exist with your accusation.

Also, his reasons for having a moderated thread are quite valid, it is up to you to prove the opposite.

Just contributing to the conversation.

I'm not trying to make a point, that was RGBKey, but the title of the thread is RitzGrandCasino Scam, not provably fair, deleting replies in thread, but any and all of his shady behaviours can go in here.


Except his definition of a troll is quite large. He deletes any comment he doesn't want to answer.

I for one will be very interested to see where threads such as this go after the 1st of April it seems we are all gonna be in for a big surprise on that day one way or another.  Here's hoping for a relatively positive outcome for everybody!

I'm sure even if he does pay out that isn't going to satisfy the people who say his casino has not been proven provably fair. If he pays out I'm sure Stunna will just up his rates to match or better them, but I'd bet he'll wriggle out of paying a few people some way or another,

For those that for some reason still cannot understand this and continue to defend RGC for some reason, it is not upon me to provide proof that he is not provably fair. It is upon him to provide proof that he is, which he has not. That is his responsibility as a casino owner. I have already stated my points multiple times for how he is not provably fair. If you need me to expain it to you again, read the fucking thread.

The "deleting replies in thread" part of the title of this thread is about how he automatically deletes any critisicm to any part of his casino. Even if he just doesn't want to answer your question, he deletes it. If he were a responsible casino owner, he would address the concerns that people post in his thread instead of accusing the people bringing up valid points of being "shills", "trolls", and "scammers".

He has also emailed me threats to "take me to court", which I find hilarious because he can't possibly even know who I am. But that's besides the point, would you want to gamble somewhere where the casino owner threatens people after they make claims that the casino is cheating people?

I would not have created this thread if RGC had replied to my claims with actual thought and appreciation for the concern that people face. I cannot say that he is scamming people, but I can say that he is not provably fair, but continuously claims to be, which is a lie. Again, if you don't understand why he is not provably fair, read this thread again, i'm tired of explaining it.

This thread has nothing to do with the signature program he is running, although I think he will use some craftily used words in the OP to selectively screw people out of the money he owes them while claiming they were the ones that screwed up.

I am baffled to see people defending him, and I assume that most of them are either paid shills or he himself making different accounts. If you have the absolute lack of anything between your ears required to place bets at the sketchy casino run by a person that acts like he's 10 years old, then I would like to please ask you to never reply to this thread with your nonsense and go back to giving your money to this person. I am fully aware that some people have won, however that does not prove the casino's fairness.

If you have a valid argument against any of the points I have made above, post in this thread, that's what I made this thread for, so people could post without having their posts deleted by RGC. If you have come here to post nonsense without a valid point, I will ignore you and give you negative trust for cluttering this thread with your trolling.

He does have a history of deleting posts, and the thread in services is self-moderated...

I think they've all been self-moderated.


The casino states it's in the UK, but Ritz seems to be going by Californian time on here.

could it be that the servers are based in UK?

They are, his host is vidahost.com

yeah but if hes hosting in UK he def can get the site shut down, due to him not having a license.  If I get time Ill contact them.    He wants to make threats about taking us to court for telling the truth.  Then I have some games to play also.

Be careful about that. If you get it shut down he'll almost certainly not pay for people's signatures. See what happens after the 1st. Also, are you sure Bitcoin gambling is illegal without a licence?

actually hes doing something else illegal and i wont point that out.

Huh? You can't just post like that without elaborating.

Another kid on forums that talks bullshit without having done his homework.
If you don't know what you are talking, then go to the corner of your bedroom and stay there.

What proof you got above?
That the developer allows his clients to adjust the symbol distribution and paytable and this way influence the payouts and hit%? What's wrong there? Or maybe I should ask, what is wrong with you?
Do you even know what that means? Of course you don't. You are too dumb to know and you just try to find a guilt for RitzCasino.
I will enlighten you a little how normal land casinos do this legally and how online casinos do it too. Just dare to disagree with me.

So let's say someone wants to open a land casino named "Casino Spartan82isdumb" . He then looks for a provider and games. He decides to go with one of the big giants of the industry that sells slots. I am not here to advertise anybody so I won't give names. The slot distributor tells the buyer the RTP of his games (let's say 90% for slot XXX, so that the buyer may know his expected profit) and sells to him the machine with the game or rents the machine to him. Later, at any time, the casino owner can request a different hit% and payout% for any game. How is that possible? Like any hardware based or online slot, the payouts (RTP) are calculated using a formula that involves the symbol distribution per reel and the paytable. EG: Slot XXX has a RTP of 80% which is calculated using the symbol distribution on each reel and the paytable. So the slot seller comes in the casino when no players are playing, changes a piece of hardware and the game has a different RTP (payout) .. let's say 85%, because the symbol configuration and the paytable were changed. For online slots it is more simple. You simply adjust some paytable values and the symbol distribution and that's it. You don't need to replace any hardware.
The hardware slot developer probably has many hardware, one for each payout percentage interval (EG: 98-99%, 95-96%, etc).
There are many predefined reel distributions that can be configured and calculated to determine a different payout%. If someone wants, hardware developer or online slot developer, they can create 1000 possible combinations of the reel distributions one for each RTP value from the interval 50-99.99%.
So what's wrong in this? Nothing.

What does this RTP or payout mean?
When you combine the reels and make combinations of 3 symbols out of each reel, you decide the reel stops.
Using the positions where the stops are placed, the paytable values and the payline diagrams, you then start to calculate the win of the player. That is the win the player will get for that symbol combinations from the 5 reels.
Now if you do this for all possible combinations, you obtain the RTP of the game. There are some more formulas added to this like the frequency of scatters and bonus, (if the game has bonus or scatters), but these are also influenced by the symbols distribution and in my example I talk only about a simple 5 REEL game.
The reason of calculating the RTP is so that the owner can feel safe that a certain game will not overpay (have a RTP of over 100%), and that he will make a profit (100% - RTP = house edge = casino estimated profit).

When trying to go legal and obtain a gambling license, the games are verified by someone from the licensing jurisdiction. They verify the game rules and if the game works correctly according to the rules. Nothing else matters. The game has some rules that must be public to the player, as well as a paytable and it must follow the payouts there and each symbol combination (3-4-5 symbols per line) must be available at least once in RX spins (where RX is the total number of the possible reel combinations). They do not verify the RTP in most jurisdictions, except Italy, where the games need to have a minimum of around 70% or so (I dont know exactly), and the RTP must be displayed inside each game.
But we are not in Italy here. We are talking about unregulated gambling. Period.

So unless you know what you are talking, shut up.

Now you and RGBKey accuse RGC of doing illegal stuff? You should get a perma ban and have all your posts deleted and you should get a big fine for having a big mouth and talking all this garbage on the internet without any background or proof. You are confusing people with your stupidity. I really suggest that this topic or all your replies here should be deleted because all you do is talk garbage, like a troll, and confuse people.
FYI, bitcoin is illegal only in Russia, China, and definitely not California or UK. There are no regulated laws about bitcoin in UK or California, therefore nothing against bitcoin gambling is mentioned anywhere.
Gambling involves wagering real money, while bitcoin doesn't. Period.

Now please excuse my language, but if you had showed me any sign of a brain, I would have been more polite.

I assume the signature deal is still valid then? I might switch to other sites, but I really need that BTC. ( personal reasons )

What do you mean valid? You'll know whether it's valid or not on the 1st.

This! We'll know in 2 days. And then we won't know for another 30 days. You're never guaranteed payment, anyone running a signature campaign can at any point refuse to pay you and there's nothing you can do about it. But in the process they'd lose all their reputation.

Now its just few hour left .... 6pm forum time

Yeah, online and real casinos are different, this is bitcoin, and what you wadi has nothing to do with provable fairness, which is still what this thread is about. Negative trust per my last post in this thread.

Self moderated topic =/= scam...i've seen few persons claiming that they got paid already  ;)

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

This topic should be locked then i think.

yep thats my idea, this will just confuse the new readers.

How has he threatened you? I've seen him making claims that he's filled court papers for someone (lol).

do you have any sort of proof of this? seems like too much.
Why not informing everone about the bullying and those illegal activities?

Read the damn thread. This topic is still not about their signature program, does not mention it in the title, and has always meant to be about their lack of provable fairness.

I'LL JUST TYPE IN CAPS SO PEOPLE WILL NOTICE ME.

However, please do update us with whatever results you get, I find this very interesting.

Thread title:
In the Scam Accusations.
*note: you are also saying, in the OP and numerous times in your thread that the sig program has nothing to do with this.

So, it is safe to assume that you are accusing someone of running a scam, yes? Your opening post: bold text is mine


The link you posted, is the link to their sig program thread, but then you edited it, because people pointed out the obvious:


Now, dont get me wrong, so far you are the one making the claim here. And many, myself included, have pointed out the fact itself, that you suspect that someone is doing something that you yourself cannot understand., does not make it a scam. So far, this thread looks like a smear.

Myself, as you see atm, have in my sig their ref link, and had it for a month, and they paid in time. I would not like to be associated with scammers, and your accusation is serious to me, but mate, you are the one making the claim, and you are saying that it is up to others to prove that the world does not spin the way you say it does.

But thats not right, you need to come forward with some kind of proof, because of this (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof).

Otherwise, pretty soon this will come back to your sig sponsor, because you know how this works  ;D

edit: lets not make this a sig battle, we will all lose from this if these programs were harmed.
 

It's not up to the user to prove that a casino is fair.  It's up to the casino to prove that.  If a casino says "we are provably fair" and someone says "prove it", and the casino doesn't/can't...that's a bad sign.  Provably fair means that you can PROVE that it is FAIR.  If you claim to be it, you have to be able to prove it.  IMO that is the crux of this thread, and the other somewhat shady things RGC has done only exacerbates the problem.

FUR11 pretty much summed it up. And as for me not understanding provable fairness, I would say that I understand it pretty fully considering i've made verifieres for plenty of sites (https://github.com/RGBKey/rgbkey.github.io/tree/master/verify). Trust me, I know how provable fairness works, and what Ritz has is not provably fair. What I have noticed is that everyone in this thread that has come to support Ritz has not posted evidence against my claims, but instead attacked me. I posted a link to the signature thread because that's where the discussion was going on before he deleted everything, hence the previous thread title. But instead, people insist on telling me that somehow it's my fault that ritz cannot prove his provable fairness. I have half a mind to think that you're all just alts of him, because you all talk the same and try to bring up the same things that have nothing to do with the topic, that Ritz is not fair, and instead just go straight into attacking me without posting any proof against my claims.


And so people will stop badgering me about how I haven't said anything, I've said it and I'll say it again, read the thread. I've posted plenty of evidence against their so called "provable fairness" and nobody has been able to prove me wrong.

@RGB, FUR

i'm afraid you dont understand how proofs work, people dont have to prove you are right.
It is up to you to provide proof to support your claims.

I never said that RGC is provably fair. All i am saying is that the person making the claim has to provide proof that support the claim.
Otherwise, well you are making things up.
RGC is making a claim, accusing someone, so he has to provide proof on that.
All he does, is accusing though and acusations are not proof.

We are innocent till proven guilty, are we not?

Asking others to prove they are not elephants does not really work.
Burden of proof, i gave a link, look it up.

Except in this instance the only person who can prove otherwise here is Ritz, so the burden of proof is on him.

Nope, that's not how it works at all.  You are mixing metaphors and making yourself look like an ignorant shill.

If I say "I'm being fair, just trust me", there is no way for the other person to prove what I'm saying it true.  Only if I show exactly how I'm being fair can the other party run tests to verify what I am saying.  That's why true provably fair sites PROVE that they are FAIR (see how those words work?) by providing all that technical seed/hash jazz, and provide a verifier. 

2 weeks of threats from ritzgrandcasino..... god this is tiring, went ahead and hired a lawyer. they are still threatening me if any lawyers read this and specialize in defamation law please pm me lol would like a second opinion,

Why would you need a second opinion if you hired a lawyer? Why don't you just ignore him and block his messages? What is he exactly threatening you with?

you hired a LAWYERjust because of Ritz's opinion and statements? how bout sending the money to me. Better use of that money.

Both legal threats from either side are probably hot air, just like they always are on the Internet. I'd just quit harassing each other and et it die less it'll go nowhere.

seriously, if any threats have been made by either side, they should be made public. These allegations are bad for everyone involved.

Some of them are public, but most will go on behind PMs etc. neither will go anywhere though so they may as well just drop it.

Bump.

RitzCasino: Explain me these deleted posts
https://i.imgur.com/3kGHpYK.png
https://i.imgur.com/hW6Ztdo.png
All those posts were good sponsorship for your casino.
I will not play at your casino anymore until you do some excuses and put on my balance something just to prove you are a good guy and I will not write a bad post about your casino.

If this has nothing to do with their signature campaign, RBGKey, how come there's a direct link to the program in the OP? Also, your posts about it on the first and 2nd page? No wonder people seem to get confused, you seem to be as well.

Now to the topic, not that I claim to know anything about such things, but why is their provably fair page not convincing?
https://www.ritzgrandcasino.com/provablyfair.php (https://www.ritzgrandcasino.com/provablyfair.php)

Just saying it's provably fair doesn't make it so. You'll need to check all the info given and make your own mind up (or get someone more knowledgeable to confirm or deny wether it is).

For the love of god, i've posted this so many times before. They're asking you to trust that they are using a third party to generate numbers. They give you passwords in plaintext emails. They delete replies.


For everyone else, they made a new account to get out of their trust. Add negative trust here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=319107

I don't see any feedback?

That negative feedback by RGBKey is in the "Untrusted feedback".

Even if this casino is legit (highly unlikely), the person running the bitcointalk forum account writes like a butthurt 12 year old. Are you trying to be a professional running a business? Or a thug threatening people for giving their opinions. I play a lot of gambling games, but I wouldn't risk a single satoshi in your casino simply based on your posts.

And now you are stalking them. You could ask them to provide the info to a third party, or a respected member of the forum.
Have you explicitly done so? I mean, you might be saying that you can do it for them, but why should they trust you, its normal not to, since you started a crusade against them.

You took it upon yourself to fuck up their trust, although there has been no issue with either users in their site, or with users in here.
Just you, saying that they are not provably fair. I understand your point, but you cant be a judge and a juror at the same time.

Please RGB, dont misunderstand me, but you look like you are abusing trust now.
You have yet to provide a single shred pointing out to flaws, until then you are probably after their sig campaign.
If there is no proof of wrongdoing, you are merely stalking someone on your "gut" feelings.

Seriously uncool, take care.

Is this the kind of person you want to stand up for?
Someone that censors questions about how their site is fair?

I have no patience for shills.

Bump.

It's pretty simple, and I don't see why this thread is so long.  RGB is saying "they claim to be provably fair, but aren't really".  That is clearly the case.

Here's what the casino themselves says about their fairness:

https://i.imgur.com/T8HHIoP.png

That just isn't provable fairness.  That is an appeal to authority (of Itechlabs) and trusting a third party (random.org).

Provable fairness is a way of avoiding the need to trust authority or third parties.  It uses mathematics itself to prove the fairness, not authorities or other third parties.

That's the end of the story.  The casino isn't provably fair because they claim (but cannot prove) that they use random.org.

I thought I would bump up this topic in addition to making my own one later today.

I today was scammed for $53 by this casino and I'm not happy. Now, don't get me wrong, the money isn't the issue - I gamble and lose hundreds of dollars every week, I have no problems with losing. What I do have problems with, however, is rigged gambling sites who then claim they're provably fair, but then deny my (and many others') every request to provide proof for such.

And then, after I very politely requested they refund my deposit, I got told "no but we'll add a bonus for you". To which I told them they would refund me as they used false advertising by way of saying they're provably fair, when they aren't. After this and after me posting a couple of times on their forum topic (and them deleting the replies), I got threatened with legal action for defamation.

They now have my IP and I'm "top of their list" to be dealt with by their "very experienced lawyer" on Monday morning. I personally can't wait. All I wanted was my $53 back, out of a matter of principle. Now I guess I'll trounce them in the courts if that's what they want, although I'll take a guess and say they'll be LONG gone by the time that ever comes about.

They won't take you to court. Those are just the petty tactics they use to try shit you up and get you to shut up. They told plenty of people here that they had already instigated legal proceedings against them or was going to do it on monday or whatever and do you want to know what happened? The same thing that always happens when someone makes hollow threats over the internet to sue somebody - absolutely nothing.

Oh, don't worry, I wasn't for a single minute actually suggesting they might do that. Although if they did I'd laugh my ass off all the way to the bank while counting the cash I would take them for, seeing as they'd have to prove to the court that their service was as advertised (ie provably fair) else they'd be owing people possibly tens of thousands of dollars. And we all know they can't prove that they're provably fair, because they're not.

I have reason to believe that Team Paul Vernon was behind this site: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173703.msg12961390#msg12961390

I haven't heard anything about this site in a long time, the sites original form does not seem to be operational anymore but it seems to be rebranded as it leads to a facebook landing page for a service called luckygator filled with fake likes so in regards to the RNG issue it seems the scam accusation still stands, but the thread would need to be rebranded to a lucky gator scam accusation thread, either way avoid the app.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucky-Gator-Casino-and-Slots/876708109028031