RitzGrandCasino not provably fair (Has nothing to do with their sig program)

[RGBKey]

I have retracted my initial negative rating for RGC, and here's why: Though there are allegations that he is using a method that isn't provably fair, users play at their own risk as with any other gambling site. Whether they play under the (possible) wrongful assumption that the system is fair is questionable, but not necessarily enough to warrant negative mark on their Trust. My decision isn't set in stone though, and I'll continue to monitor this thread for more evidence.

It is to my understanding that if one has the power to adjust their profit or loss %, then the outcomes are not randomised and therefore can NOT be provably fair.

In no way am I affiliated with any other online casino, or Prime Dice for that matter.

Yeah, online and real casinos are different, this is bitcoin, and what you wadi has nothing to do with provable fairness, which is still what this thread is about. Negative trust per my last post in this thread.

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[DubFX]

Self moderated topic =/= scam...i've seen few persons claiming that they got paid already 

[troy112]

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

[DubFX]

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

This topic should be locked then i think.

[troy112]

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

This topic should be locked then i think.

yep thats my idea, this will just confuse the new readers.

[hilariousandco]

How has he threatened you? I've seen him making claims that he's filled court papers for someone (lol).

[SZZT]

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

OK TO THE MEMBERS WHO GOT BULLIED OR THREATENED FROM RITZ CASINO PLEASE CONTACT ME ON MY PM, I SPOKE WITH SOMEONE IN THE UK GAMBLING COMMISSION ABOUT RITZ CERTAIN ILLEGAL ACTIVITES.  I NEED A FEW WITNESSES TO COME FORWARD SO THEY CAN PUT AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE ORGANIZATION.

do you have any sort of proof of this? seems like too much.
Why not informing everone about the bullying and those illegal activities?

[RGBKey]

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

This topic should be locked then i think.

For those that for some reason still cannot understand this and continue to defend RGC for some reason, it is not upon me to provide proof that he is not provably fair. It is upon him to provide proof that he is, which he has not. That is his responsibility as a casino owner. I have already stated my points multiple times for how he is not provably fair. If you need me to expain it to you again, read the fucking thread.

The "deleting replies in thread" part of the title of this thread is about how he automatically deletes any critisicm to any part of his casino. Even if he just doesn't want to answer your question, he deletes it. If he were a responsible casino owner, he would address the concerns that people post in his thread instead of accusing the people bringing up valid points of being "shills", "trolls", and "scammers".

He has also emailed me threats to "take me to court", which I find hilarious because he can't possibly even know who I am. But that's besides the point, would you want to gamble somewhere where the casino owner threatens people after they make claims that the casino is cheating people?

I would not have created this thread if RGC had replied to my claims with actual thought and appreciation for the concern that people face. I cannot say that he is scamming people, but I can say that he is not provably fair, but continuously claims to be, which is a lie. Again, if you don't understand why he is not provably fair, read this thread again, i'm tired of explaining it.

This thread has nothing to do with the signature program he is running, although I think he will use some craftily used words in the OP to selectively screw people out of the money he owes them while claiming they were the ones that screwed up.

I am baffled to see people defending him, and I assume that most of them are either paid shills or he himself making different accounts. If you have the absolute lack of anything between your ears required to place bets at the sketchy casino run by a person that acts like he's 10 years old, then I would like to please ask you to never reply to this thread with your nonsense and go back to giving your money to this person. I am fully aware that some people have won, however that does not prove the casino's fairness.

If you have a valid argument against any of the points I have made above, post in this thread, that's what I made this thread for, so people could post without having their posts deleted by RGC. If you have come here to post nonsense without a valid point, I will ignore you and give you negative trust for cluttering this thread with your trolling.

Read the damn thread. This topic is still not about their signature program, does not mention it in the title, and has always meant to be about their lack of provable fairness.

[apsvinet]

Well they have just paid, so I would assume they are fair and do pay, despite its history.

Troy just cause they pay for a sig campaign doesnt mean games are provably fair, if you dont know what the term is have a game op that has a provably fair system and show you.  

This Topic is not about being paid for a sig campaign is about if they are provably fair.  They say they are but so far they didnt proove it.


Seems like many people dont know how to read


OK TO THE MEMBERS WHO GOT BULLIED OR THREATENED FROM RITZ CASINO PLEASE CONTACT ME ON MY PM, I SPOKE WITH SOMEONE IN THE UK GAMBLING COMMISSION ABOUT RITZ CERTAIN ILLEGAL ACTIVITES.  I NEED A FEW WITNESSES TO COME FORWARD SO THEY CAN PUT AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE ORGANIZATION.

I'LL JUST TYPE IN CAPS SO PEOPLE WILL NOTICE ME.

However, please do update us with whatever results you get, I find this very interesting.

[okaynow]

Read the damn thread.

Thread title:

RitzGrandCasino not provably fair (Has nothing to do with their sig program)

In the Scam Accusations.
*note: you are also saying, in the OP and numerous times in your thread that the sig program has nothing to do with this.

So, it is safe to assume that you are accusing someone of running a scam, yes? Your opening post: bold text is mine

I cannot find anywhere on their site where they explain how they are provably fair, even though they claim to be on their thread. All of my replies on their other thread have been deleted and I suggest the other accounts that are supporting him are also run by him, and he also talks in a very unprofessional manner.

I will delete this thread as soon as concrete evidence of their provable fairness is provided.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485708.0

The link you posted, is the link to their sig program thread, but then you edited it, because people pointed out the obvious:

EDIT: As people that like to support RGC seem to think, this is not about their signature program. This is about them claiming to be provably fair, and not being, and also not backing up their own claims.

Now, dont get me wrong, so far you are the one making the claim here. And many, myself included, have pointed out the fact itself, that you suspect that someone is doing something that you yourself cannot understand., does not make it a scam. So far, this thread looks like a smear.

Myself, as you see atm, have in my sig their ref link, and had it for a month, and they paid in time. I would not like to be associated with scammers, and your accusation is serious to me, but mate, you are the one making the claim, and you are saying that it is up to others to prove that the world does not spin the way you say it does.

But thats not right, you need to come forward with some kind of proof, because of this.

Otherwise, pretty soon this will come back to your sig sponsor, because you know how this works  

edit: lets not make this a sig battle, we will all lose from this if these programs were harmed.
 

[FUR11]

Now, dont get me wrong, so far you are the one making the claim here. And many, myself included, have pointed out the fact itself, that you suspect that someone is doing something that you yourself cannot understand., does not make it a scam. So far, this thread looks like a smear.

It's not up to the user to prove that a casino is fair.  It's up to the casino to prove that.  If a casino says "we are provably fair" and someone says "prove it", and the casino doesn't/can't...that's a bad sign.  Provably fair means that you can PROVE that it is FAIR.  If you claim to be it, you have to be able to prove it.  IMO that is the crux of this thread, and the other somewhat shady things RGC has done only exacerbates the problem.

[RGBKey]

Now, dont get me wrong, so far you are the one making the claim here. And many, myself included, have pointed out the fact itself, that you suspect that someone is doing something that you yourself cannot understand., does not make it a scam. So far, this thread looks like a smear.

Myself, as you see atm, have in my sig their ref link, and had it for a month, and they paid in time. I would not like to be associated with scammers, and your accusation is serious to me, but mate, you are the one making the claim, and you are saying that it is up to others to prove that the world does not spin the way you say it does.

FUR11 pretty much summed it up. And as for me not understanding provable fairness, I would say that I understand it pretty fully considering i've made verifieres for plenty of sites. Trust me, I know how provable fairness works, and what Ritz has is not provably fair. What I have noticed is that everyone in this thread that has come to support Ritz has not posted evidence against my claims, but instead attacked me. I posted a link to the signature thread because that's where the discussion was going on before he deleted everything, hence the previous thread title. But instead, people insist on telling me that somehow it's my fault that ritz cannot prove his provable fairness. I have half a mind to think that you're all just alts of him, because you all talk the same and try to bring up the same things that have nothing to do with the topic, that Ritz is not fair, and instead just go straight into attacking me without posting any proof against my claims.


And so people will stop badgering me about how I haven't said anything, I've said it and I'll say it again, read the thread. I've posted plenty of evidence against their so called "provable fairness" and nobody has been able to prove me wrong.

[okaynow]

@RGB, FUR

i'm afraid you dont understand how proofs work, people dont have to prove you are right.
It is up to you to provide proof to support your claims.

I never said that RGC is provably fair. All i am saying is that the person making the claim has to provide proof that support the claim.
Otherwise, well you are making things up.
RGC is making a claim, accusing someone, so he has to provide proof on that.
All he does, is accusing though and acusations are not proof.

We are innocent till proven guilty, are we not?

Asking others to prove they are not elephants does not really work.
Burden of proof, i gave a link, look it up.

[hilariousandco]

@RGB, FUR

i'm afraid you dont understand how proofs work, people dont have to prove you are right.
It is up to you to provide proof to support your claims.

I never said that RGC is provably fair. All i am saying is that the person making the claim has to provide proof that support the claim.
Otherwise, well you are making things up.
RGC is making a claim, accusing someone, so he has to provide proof on that.
All he does, is accusing though and acusations are not proof.

We are innocent till proven guilty, are we not?

Asking others to prove they are not elephants does not really work.
Burden of proof, i gave a link, look it up.

Except in this instance the only person who can prove otherwise here is Ritz, so the burden of proof is on him.

[FUR11]

@RGB, FUR

i'm afraid you dont understand how proofs work, people dont have to prove you are right.
It is up to you to provide proof to support your claims.

I never said that RGC is provably fair. All i am saying is that the person making the claim has to provide proof that support the claim.
Otherwise, well you are making things up.
RGC is making a claim, accusing someone, so he has to provide proof on that.
All he does, is accusing though and acusations are not proof.

We are innocent till proven guilty, are we not?

Asking others to prove they are not elephants does not really work.
Burden of proof, i gave a link, look it up.

Nope, that's not how it works at all.  You are mixing metaphors and making yourself look like an ignorant shill.

If I say "I'm being fair, just trust me", there is no way for the other person to prove what I'm saying it true.  Only if I show exactly how I'm being fair can the other party run tests to verify what I am saying.  That's why true provably fair sites PROVE that they are FAIR (see how those words work?) by providing all that technical seed/hash jazz, and provide a verifier. 

[mdzedzej]

2 weeks of threats from ritzgrandcasino..... god this is tiring, went ahead and hired a lawyer. they are still threatening me if any lawyers read this and specialize in defamation law please pm me lol would like a second opinion,

[hilariousandco]

2 weeks of threats from ritzgrandcasino..... god this is tiring, went ahead and hired a lawyer. they are still threatening me if any lawyers read this and specialize in defamation law please pm me lol would like a second opinion,

Why would you need a second opinion if you hired a lawyer? Why don't you just ignore him and block his messages? What is he exactly threatening you with?

[coinnewbit]

2 weeks of threats from ritzgrandcasino..... god this is tiring, went ahead and hired a lawyer. they are still threatening me if any lawyers read this and specialize in defamation law please pm me lol would like a second opinion,

you hired a LAWYERjust because of Ritz's opinion and statements? how bout sending the money to me. Better use of that money.

[hilariousandco]

2 weeks of threats from ritzgrandcasino..... god this is tiring, went ahead and hired a lawyer. they are still threatening me if any lawyers read this and specialize in defamation law please pm me lol would like a second opinion,

you hired a LAWYERjust because of Ritz's opinion and statements? how bout sending the money to me. Better use of that money.

Both legal threats from either side are probably hot air, just like they always are on the Internet. I'd just quit harassing each other and et it die less it'll go nowhere.

[SZZT]

seriously, if any threats have been made by either side, they should be made public. These allegations are bad for everyone involved.