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Title: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 17, 2018, 03:53:27 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit




Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: tranquyen123456 on August 17, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
I am also concerned about the bounty hunting campaign that the bounty hunter has taken. I find that to be unreasonable, we are selling our information cheaply


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: milewilda on August 17, 2018, 06:50:07 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

This is the big risk when you just carelessly joining up bounty campaigns or ICO's which do ask KYC. You wont even know if they are legit or not or just pretending to launch to
get and collect users information or documentation. Checking on the price above each information do really cost good amount. This is a deepweeb url since its on .onion domain.
Im not surprised to see such thing into that place.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 17, 2018, 06:59:20 PM
It can take years to rebuild your life and credit after identity theft, yet people are willing to upload their documents to any random person that can make a website - be it an ICO, an exchange, whatever.

In an area where privacy is supposed to be one of the underlying principles, I will never understand why people are so willing to give up theirs.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: akosijue on August 17, 2018, 07:34:41 PM
I'm a bounty hunter and sometimes the bounty management or the ICO teams requires me to do KYC but I only do the trustworthy ones like the ones managed by credible bounty managements like Amazix. Anyways, this kind of confirms what I thought was gonna happen when I did the KYC but I'm just hoping that I don't get arrested if I travel around the world or be dragged out of my country or get me shot out of nowhere and no reason I know.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 17, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
in particular, they can destroy families for their lives if you have to pay huge tax amounts because someone else has traded a lot on your name.

something needs to be done about this. This is a big serious problem.

I also think they steal your password and email addresses that you used to sign up for a scam ico account. which they try out for example your email address and trading accounts to steal money.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: The Pharmacist on August 17, 2018, 07:41:15 PM
It can take years to rebuild your life and credit after identity theft, yet people are willing to upload their documents to any random person that can make a website - be it an ICO, an exchange, whatever.
Yup.  And these people who willingly give up pieces of their identity for projects whose origin and security is at best unknown are being stupid.  You just never know what they're going to do with that information--if the documents and photos end up on the dark web for sale, it isn't surprising in the least.

If signature campaigns ever start requiring KYC documents, that'll be the last time I participate in one.  I didn't even need this example to know that this could be the fate of my identity.  I was reluctant to provide Kraken with KYC info when they asked for it, and I ended up just not using their exchange because of it.  There is too much identity theft going on and if you don't know the people you're dealing with you're taking too much of a risk.  IMO no one should disclose their identity for a bounty.  Even if the project itself isn't selling info, they could easily get hacked.  Who knows what they do for security or with the information.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: FreeOxen on August 17, 2018, 07:44:02 PM
Yup, it is this reason why you are best to be very very very careful with your identity documents and information - don't just blindly give them out to a random stranger offering a few measly coins - it's not worth it and your life can be ruined by identity theft. It's just not worth it everyone - always be cautious with your identifying details.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: LeGaulois on August 17, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
Who is crazy for sending his personal information to a new site/project that you just heard about some days ago and from which you don't know anyone working there. Better to sell your own ID yourself on the www at least you get some money. Privacy is costly nowadays


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 17, 2018, 09:07:05 PM
I was reluctant to provide Kraken with KYC info when they asked for it, and I ended up just not using their exchange because of it.

Even if the exchange is reputable, like Kraken for example, you have to also have complete faith in their security. Given the number of hacks and leaks that occur daily, not just in crypto but across all online companies, the only safe course of action is to trust no one.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Visteryy on August 17, 2018, 09:56:28 PM
Who is crazy for sending his personal information to a new site/project that you just heard about some days ago and from which you don't know anyone working there. Better to sell your own ID yourself on the www at least you get some money. Privacy is costly nowadays
We should consider these actions. It will lead to bad results. Affects individual reputation. It is uncomfortable for bad guys to behave badly. And we should be alert and watch out for bad things to come.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 18, 2018, 01:04:44 AM
Unfortunately, I can say that the government such as America and China are also guilty of this, which means that you are constantly dealing with KYC / AML procces.
They impose rules that have not been thought about. Rules were introduced as a matter of urgency because they knew that they could miss out on a lot of tax money when bitcoin rose at an extremely fast pace. They have not even looked at new problems caused by these regulations.

They lay down rules such as KYC / AML to stop money laundering and tax evasion to keep criminals out. They know very well that there is no solution for this and there is never a solution to this. In reality, they just know that they can earn a lot of money from people who have a bit of altcoins or bitcoin.
Now that the American government finally earns their 30% tax from their citizens, they are happy and the rest of what happens does not matter much.
That these scam projects sell your data on the darkweb for even more bitcoin is very big because they know how it all works.

Because of all these senseless rules, your id data fall very easily into the hands of these criminal scammers, as a result of which it is precisely the decent citizens who fall victim to it. Probably you are not even helped by the government and you remain guilty and you have to pay for it. They know that you have crypto coins in your possession because you gave them honestly with the tax. Prove that the other 3 million dollar bitcoins are not yours and that someone has used your data to evade taxes

The government must solve this problem, I think. If they impose rules, they must immediately solve new problems arising from the regulations.


There is a big bug in the KYC / AML verification procces on exchanges or ico projects. This is the same on the largest exchanges. If you live in another country where the exchange is located, data can not be checked for authenticity at all. You get a fully approved verification even on the largest exchanges in the name of non-existent people. Name, surname, date of birth and citizen number on the front and back of your own ID card can be adjusted with photoshop to anything you want. Your own passport photo on the ID card simply leaves you original. You can get through this whole process without any problems.

They can better eliminate KYC / AML verification procces on exchanges and ico projects because it is a worthless system. They can not check personal data because they are legally not entitled to check personal data if you from a different country.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Strufmbae on August 18, 2018, 04:08:21 AM
All i say is that i am very careful regarding to all of my informations before entering into some project that requires kyc,  most of it that i have observed is the https from search engine, without this https green i really don't trust website with less security that is made by some developers as a part of the project. Choose wisely. 


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 18, 2018, 05:52:03 AM
Because of all these senseless rules, your id data fall very easily into the hands of these criminal scammers, as a result of which it is precisely the decent citizens who fall victim to it.

I completely disagree. It is people's own stupidity that caused their documents to end up in the hands of scammers, not some government rule. No one is forcing you to send your documents to anyone.


The government must solve this problem, I think. If they impose rules, they must immediately solve new problems arising from the regulations.

I'm sorry, but if you think having your identity stolen freely giving away your identity in return for a few cents worth of some trash altcoin is worth it, then no amount of new government rules are going to protect you from your own stupidity.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Oasisman on August 18, 2018, 06:42:24 AM
Well, we all knew this one comming right after the KYC was implemented. Even without the though of identity theft, we are in doubt in giving away our information, because it could be used against us anytime.  Now, bounty hunters must be very careful when they ask for KYC verification, what the OP posted is one of many examples you will end up when your identity lands in the wrong hands. I'm not gonna risks my identity with these complete strangers over the internet just to get rewards that has no value yet.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 18, 2018, 07:49:06 AM
Because of all these senseless rules, your id data fall very easily into the hands of these criminal scammers, as a result of which it is precisely the decent citizens who fall victim to it.

I completely disagree. It is people's own stupidity that caused their documents to end up in the hands of scammers, not some government rule. No one is forcing you to send your documents to anyone.


The government must solve this problem, I think. If they impose rules, they must immediately solve new problems arising from the regulations.

I'm sorry, but if you think having your identity stolen freely giving away your identity in return for a few cents worth of some trash altcoin is worth it, then no amount of new government rules are going to protect you from your own stupidity.

We may differ in opinion. I do say that it comes from the American government. I know what I am talking about and come up with facts.

I am almost certain that you have been crypto for less than 1 year. Otherwise you could see something of change.
Bittrex, Poloniex, as an example. These are exchanges from America. People who have trade in  crypto for more than 1.5 years probably know what I mean. 1.5 years ago, these were the largest exchanges.  You could still quietly withdraw from your trading account on these 2 exchanges ,up to 2 btc without sending your id data.

Suddenly that was no longer possible around October last year at bittrex. Not much later that happened at poloniex.
You could not even take your money from your trading accounts. You were required to send all your data for AML / KYC before you could withdraw 1 cent from your account.
No, no one obliges you, no one obliges you to send your ID data. No indeed people are very stupid when you send your ID data so that you can withdraw money from your trading account. Leave that $ 200,000 on the account. They may have it for free. It only costs 500 days and a total of 8,000 hours. No indeed I agree with you.
I'd rather throw that $ 200,000 away than I'd be so stupid to send identity data to get your $ 200,000 back.

With European exchanges you do not suffer from the kyc / aml if you send and send normal and small amounts. Even with fiat> crypto and crypto> fiat transactions, I can withdraw money from and from my account to and from my normal bank account without a mandatory kyc / aml.

Well, you're talking about stupid people who leave their data behind in scam projects. to see your signature do it yourself.
check: https://forum.bitcoingambling.io/threads/beware-of-sportsbet-io-kyc-aml-requirements-possible-scam.220/ (https://forum.bitcoingambling.io/threads/beware-of-sportsbet-io-kyc-aml-requirements-possible-scam.220/)  ;D ??? ::)


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: redtag070 on August 18, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
I think that KYC verification is problematic in a sense.
In particular, the fact that personal information data is stolen is suspected to be forged and used for another crime.
It is a problem to be a criminal without knowing it.


How about the idea that management will first disclose KYC verification rather than asking the user for KYC verification?

It is to make it impossible to escape fraud and make it impossible to do the same ICO and project.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 18, 2018, 08:25:09 AM
To solve a large part of this problem, all KYC / AML inspections must be done by a single central company for all countries.
Documents should no longer be uploaded via exchanges or ico websites.

Something needs to be developed from a system of a Central KYC / AML inspector. Where exchanges and ico projects can not reach this data. If the auditor has given this approval, exchanges or ico projects must then be notified that they can fully verify your account.

In this way, this problem is almost completely solved.
But it only works if all countries in the world work together so that the inspector has access to personal data in every country. so that KYC / AML can check this data with the data from the government system.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: buwaytress on August 18, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
It can take years to rebuild your life and credit after identity theft, yet people are willing to upload their documents to any random person that can make a website - be it an ICO, an exchange, whatever.

In an area where privacy is supposed to be one of the underlying principles, I will never understand why people are so willing to give up theirs.

And this is precisely what people aren't prepared for. I've been a minor victim in the past, wasn't much of a reputational damage as it was a clear impersonation, but this was why for many years I never even so much as used a pic online for social media.

Unfortunately, changing my career has forced me to use my identity online. I've so far stayed away from exchanges that require anything more than a phone number to verify, although for Localbitcoins I have verified my ID. Wish Bisq could have come sooner! Basically, remote work and being involved in Bitcoin has forced me to get to unprecedented levels of KYC and identity exposure haha. My small consolation is that my nationality isn't the most desired, and I maintain very short expiry documents deliberately (it's easy to get a renewal in my country).

But you're right. Too many people willing to part with their privacy for a fistful of dollars.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: kram31 on August 18, 2018, 08:52:09 AM
This is why KYC is not a must if the ICO is not a success yet.
they also distribute the token after ICO so why do we need to do KYC at first?
Well doing KYC for investment is not a hundred percent sure for the team also.
as people can give fake information and documents.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on August 18, 2018, 12:53:20 PM
No indeed people are very stupid when you send your ID data so that you can withdraw money from your trading account. Leave that $ 200,000 on the account. They may have it for free. It only costs 500 days and a total of 8,000 hours. No indeed I agree with you.
I'd rather throw that $ 200,000 away than I'd be so stupid to send identity data to get your $ 200,000 back.

I have used several exchanges over the years. I have provided a real life name and address to one exchange only, and I have never performed a full KYC or sent my documents to anyone. I have never had any coins locked behind a KYC wall or similar.

If you leave $200,000 on an exchange, and have your account locked behind mandatory KYC, then that is entirely your own fault. "Not your keys, not your Bitcoin."


To solve a large part of this problem, all KYC / AML inspections must be done by a single central company for all countries.

No offence, but this is a truly awful idea. You want to create a single, centralised database which holds the identity and documents of everyone involved in crypto? That is a massive security risk, as well as a prime target for hackers.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on August 18, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
No it isn't just that KYC BS that they're gonna keep on running. There are some ICO or BS airdrop that tries to grab your email for the update  of the ICO or the airdrop token distribution date and those things are gonna keep spamming your email like crazy with bunch of phishing site of MEW for the obvious reasons. I wonder how many ignorant trader/bounty hunters were crying like heck now on how did they lose their other tokens.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Findingnemo on August 18, 2018, 02:14:06 PM
IF a scam projects ask for KYC documents then your details will get probably exposed in the darknet but even in most of the counties already our details are illegally obtained and sell for money.So know about the legitimacy of the project before giving your valuable details.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: buwaytress on August 19, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
To solve a large part of this problem, all KYC / AML inspections must be done by a single central company for all countries.

No offence, but this is a truly awful idea. You want to create a single, centralised database which holds the identity and documents of everyone involved in crypto? That is a massive security risk, as well as a prime target for hackers.

oapieNL: this is the precise reason that so much data has been compromised, so much been sold, so much being unethically used. And most of this goes on unbeknownst to either the people those data belongs to or even to the centralised companies supposedly keeping custody. They all become exposed when whistleblowers report them (refer Facebook) or when people discover their data being sold online (refer multiple stories of how healthcare data particularly are all sold online from major countries, because their health departments just left citizens data lying around for easy access).

Hackers would love this to happen too, because it makes their job of locating the data easier. You're basically painting a large target on the company, and inviting hackers to try.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Omela44 on August 19, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Terrifying as some people make their money. Because of that, i will certainly never send my personal data over the internet. The fear is great in me that this data is stolen. Im definitely one of the few people who have never bought anything online.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: BitCent Exchange on August 19, 2018, 03:32:07 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit




They're really crazy. Willing to do everything for easy money.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: BitCent Exchange on August 19, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
This is why KYC is not a must if the ICO is not a success yet.
they also distribute the token after ICO so why do we need to do KYC at first?
Well doing KYC for investment is not a hundred percent sure for the team also.
as people can give fake information and documents.


Agreed with you.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Mahanton on August 19, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
No indeed people are very stupid when you send your ID data so that you can withdraw money from your trading account. Leave that $ 200,000 on the account. They may have it for free. It only costs 500 days and a total of 8,000 hours. No indeed I agree with you.
I'd rather throw that $ 200,000 away than I'd be so stupid to send identity data to get your $ 200,000 back.

I have used several exchanges over the years. I have provided a real life name and address to one exchange only, and I have never performed a full KYC or sent my documents to anyone. I have never had any coins locked behind a KYC wall or similar.

If you leave $200,000 on an exchange, and have your account locked behind mandatory KYC, then that is entirely your own fault. "Not your keys, not your Bitcoin."
For some people they do able to say such thing but when they do already on the middle of the situation they would do anything just to get those $200k on your trading account. Who the hell would let those money sit and make it as a donation to exchangers?
To solve a large part of this problem, all KYC / AML inspections must be done by a single central company for all countries.

No offence, but this is a truly awful idea. You want to create a single, centralised database which holds the identity and documents of everyone involved in crypto? That is a massive security risk, as well as a prime target for hackers.
This would really require strong security if you do tend to have a central database on all informations being collected.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: giacatluong on August 19, 2018, 04:58:52 PM
Oh my God, anything can happen. When we have to work hard to earn a living, they take their identity to make a living, so brazen and shameful to those who are doing so. After this I must carefully consider when giving my KYC to them.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: hulla on August 19, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
Who is crazy for sending his personal information to a new site/project that you just heard about some days ago and from which you don't know anyone working there. Better to sell your own ID yourself on the www at least you get some money. Privacy is costly nowadays
Only someone who is unwise or lacking a good sense will send his/her personal information to new site/project but I want you to know that the new site/project are not the only one who is guilty of this situations because the well used or famous site/project are also guilty of selling their user information and this is the reason why I don't support the KYC thing when it first implemented last year.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: vintages on August 19, 2018, 05:30:01 PM
Well, it's no new thing that many ICO developers are selling users identities to scanners who also resell them on the dark net. And it's painful to be arrested in be in trouble for what you know absolutely nothing about. Many developers are criminals in disguise and they keep claiming they need the identities verification in regards of countrys restricted from ICO. Though some developers are genuine but you can't trust anyone.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Alpinat on August 19, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
This is very alarming to all people who are investing in such ICO and also to those bounty hunters that providing their identities to website that they are working for. Many of the bounty hunters can relate in this. So always choose wisely in bounty and in ICO because they can use your identity in other crime.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: maarx on August 19, 2018, 08:06:16 PM
This is very alarming to all people who are investing in such ICO and also to those bounty hunters that providing their identities to website that they are working for. Many of the bounty hunters can relate in this. So always choose wisely in bounty and in ICO because they can use your identity in other crime.


This has become common issues now. Many documents are stolen and used for illegal act. This is really bad and even becomes worst. This is the reason many here do not wish to hand over the documents when an ICO asks to do KYC for the respective bounty or any other social media campaigns. The ICO needs to safeguard the documents.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: suzanne5223 on August 19, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
Well, I'm not shock or surprise that something like this happened because the US SEC and every government involve created the KYC scheme for their selfish reason and to pokenose into crypto currency which we both know that the crypto currency hacker and scammer will seize it as opportunity.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: srcnckr on August 19, 2018, 11:13:01 PM
Oh my God, anything can happen. When we have to work hard to earn a living, they take their identity to make a living, so brazen and shameful to those who are doing so. After this I must carefully consider when giving my KYC to them.
This is a shameful job and must be immediately eliminated in this market. I feel that these are bad sectors that make the cryptocurrency market not get the attention of many investors.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: lienfaye on August 19, 2018, 11:31:41 PM
This is one of the possible consequences for giving away our personal document to random projects for the hope we can earn, hence we tend to abide in the kyc system that they require. But if you're careful and not easily convince by those dev "claiming the value of their tokens will soar high" then you wont end up compromising your identity.

IF a scam projects ask for KYC documents then your details will get probably exposed in the darknet but even in most of the counties already our details are illegally obtained and sell for money.So know about the legitimacy of the project before giving your valuable details.
The problem is its quite hard to identify if the project is scam, nowadays scammers are also upgrading as being professional to victimized innocent investors who usually new in crypto world and they are the ones who usually fall into this trap.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: bohr on August 25, 2018, 11:04:39 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit



Unfortunately this is something that I thought it will happen as soon as the icos started to require KYC, there are many legitimate icos out there and they are forced to comply with the law and follow those rules but as we know scammers are a bunch of opportunistic people and they have found another way to make money, as if it was not enough they they stole your money now they can steal your identity as well.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Thirdspace on August 25, 2018, 11:22:41 PM
that is one of possible reasons why more and more ICOs are asking for KYC verification
they hide behind the KYC regulations and act like legitimate businesses
but it's just another trick to steal people personal information
and that's why many crypto enthusiasts will try as much as possible to avoid KYC procedure
the KYC stuff is just against the idea of pseudonymous in peer-to-peer crypto currency


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: entrepmind23 on August 26, 2018, 01:35:24 AM
that is one of possible reasons why more and more ICOs are asking for KYC verification
they hide behind the KYC regulations and act like legitimate businesses
but it's just another trick to steal people personal information
and that's why many crypto enthusiasts will try as much as possible to avoid KYC procedure
the KYC stuff is just against the idea of pseudonymous in peer-to-peer crypto currency

This is the reason why I don't join bounties that ask for KYC because they might be just another company who would be doing this. Even if they wouldn't be able to collect huge amount of money in their scammy ICO, they can still get some money by selling the information of those investors who wouldn't only lost their money but their identity were sold as well. As for the bounty hunters who most probably would be thousands of them if the ICO is famous and many bounty participants, then they can still get large amount from selling those documents.

Unfortunately this is something that I thought it will happen as soon as the icos started to require KYC, there are many legitimate icos out there and they are forced to comply with the law and follow those rules but as we know scammers are a bunch of opportunistic people and they have found another way to make money, as if it was not enough they they stole your money now they can steal your identity as well.

Yes, those scam ICOs would tell the people to pass KYC because they are just following regulation. Since scam ICOs are getting ahead nowadays, I would just choose to buy the coin when listed in an exchange. There is a possibility anyway that the price would be lower than ICO and if you think about it, it would still be the same as getting the bonuses during ICO.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: $anounimus$ on August 26, 2018, 04:42:05 AM
yes you are right it is the worst possibility they will do and I hope you can avoid the ico program that tells you like that, because the cryptocurrency should be confidential privacy of the user there should be nothing to know if you submit a KYC like that will make yourself you are threatened because your identity can be used for criminal acts like that.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: CoinEraser on August 26, 2018, 01:26:23 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example
-snip-

That's one reason why i don't do everything that KYC required from me. KYC is a no go for me, especially in the Crypto area. That's exactly what i don't want anyone to be able to buy my personal data on the internet later. besides, one advantage of crypto was that it's semi-anonymous and through KYC it's getting more and more removed. I just don't want and will not support that and hope that your contribution here will shake people up a little and they see how bad KYC is.  ;)


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 26, 2018, 01:55:48 PM
With this shit, im happy that i  used everytime a copy from my id card, but i chance the cart with photoshop. I change my name and birthday and my personal number to a non-existent person. my passport photo and selfie are only original. this way I prevent my id going to being stolen. I did used it at exchanges such as bittrex and poloniex and also several icos. I came everywhere through the kyc / aml without any problems. ;)


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Frosz on August 26, 2018, 02:55:30 PM
With this shit, im happy that i  used everytime a copy from my id card, but i chance the cart with photoshop. I change my name and birthday and my personal number to a non-existent person. my passport photo and selfie are only original. this way I prevent my id going to being stolen. I did used it at exchanges such as bittrex and poloniex and also several icos. I came everywhere through the kyc / aml without any problems. ;)

Proves to show that collecting all image capture can be easily replaced by normal text fields. I don't usually participate in KYC that requires submitting photo IDs. Text fields are still OK but isn't the best either.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: bitbunnny on August 26, 2018, 03:01:26 PM
Everyone of us is responsible for personal data and sensitive information. Before you give them to someone you should check all available information and make your due dilligence.
Unfortunately many ICOs turn to be scam and are a cover to get to personal data that will be later used for biger scams and that can make you some serious damage.
So, be very careful and don't just think about money because at the end money could be the least of your problems.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: audaciousbeing on August 27, 2018, 09:42:54 AM
The beginning of my distrust with ICOs and Bounties are in the areas of ''white-list'' that they always hide under. It has gotten to the point that if I developed an interest in a particular project and I decide to check it out, the moment the information that is being asked in other to participate is invading on my privacy, I just move on without the option of coming back to check it out.

Its an open secret that peoples identity is being traded on the dark web but at least that one is being stolen and the original identity owner is not aware of but not for those who willingly gave those details because of few pennies that they would spend within few days while the whole definition of their existence is being traded to the both lowest and highest bidders depending on the circumstances.

Unfortunately, no matter how hard the message is being sounded, you will still see people engaging in these kind of activities because their identity is not so valuable to them unlike the immediate need they have forgetting that later in the future, they might even have the difficulty of proving that they are the person they claim to be because someone else has used their details.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: sunflower_11438 on August 27, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
This is a very interesting topic
it is the negative side of the centralized world
In the world of bitcoin and cryptocurrency we gain the trust of others by building a reputation
as in this bitcointalk forum, senior members will be much more trusted than junior members


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: kram31 on August 27, 2018, 12:04:38 PM
To have a KYC in an ICO is good and healthy for the ICO and the team.
But at the same time it is not good and safe for the investors.
personal information are being shared, privacy is being in danger.
At first, Cryptocurrency was created and users be anonymous.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: oapieNL on August 27, 2018, 03:10:48 PM
With this you can see again that interference from the government makes more damage than it helps.
bitcoin and the altcoins have been set up to be able to conduct fast money transactions anonymously and without the intervention of the central banks. due to their interference we have lost all these things.

wherever they know what they can earn or lose a lot of money, they oppose and are seen as something criminal.

drugs such as cocaine, xtc, mdma is forbidden and you are punishable because it destroys lives.
Acohol and tobacco, are just as damaging, but not forbidden, because they are heavily taxed and much earned by the government.
Cannabis suddenly becomes legally available in many places because they can now earn a lot of money because cultivation is controlled by the government.
 why are casinos not forbidden and online gambling games? It is still very addictive. That is also legal as long as the government can receive a lot of tax on this. crypto is just like that. if they can earn on it, it will be accepted


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Baofeng on August 28, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
This is why I'm totally against ICO requiring bounty hunters to submit their KYC because it's possible that it can go to the darkweb and we all know that we don't like our identify to be stolen. Like this ICO:

https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/02/07/sentinel-chain-ico-leak-passport/

Pretty much you are fucked up with your data found its way on the darkweb.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: manismanja on August 29, 2018, 03:00:53 AM
I think that is very terrible and you should not give your identity to ico which is not clear, try to make ico founder pass KYC to icobench.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: bohr on September 03, 2018, 10:26:58 PM
yes you are right it is the worst possibility they will do and I hope you can avoid the ico program that tells you like that, because the cryptocurrency should be confidential privacy of the user there should be nothing to know if you submit a KYC like that will make yourself you are threatened because your identity can be used for criminal acts like that.
This is what I'm seeing as well, many people are avoiding the projects that ask for them to go through KYC and in my opinion it makes complete sense, cryptocurrencies are supposed to give you some level of anonymity and the regulations put in place are trying to take that away from their users and I really think it's not fair and that we should not allow this anymore.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: chuyengia2244 on September 04, 2018, 12:08:12 AM
I think that is very terrible and you should not give your identity to ico which is not clear, try to make ico founder pass KYC to icobench.
It is terrible but once invested in ICO will encounter this situation. Icobench also should not trust absolute, the expert will also have a mistake. While too many ICO scams, information leakage is inevitable.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: PlayChip on September 04, 2018, 03:21:03 AM
Even ICOs need to be careful who they partner with for KYC purposes.

We came across a third party who offered their services for KYC and AML, before discovering they had been accused recently been accused of blackmailing another ICO. More can be read about it here - https://officialtedblog.com/tokenget-blockchainmob-mobilink-coin/

Bottom line is you must to be careful when sharing any kind of sensitive information with any third party. Your ID is more valuable than your private key. Too much personal information about us is currently online - don't put any more on there than is absolutely necessary. Especially for an airdrop!



Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: millensharon8 on September 04, 2018, 03:15:28 PM
Even ICOs need to be careful who they partner with for KYC purposes.

We came across a third party who offered their services for KYC and AML, before discovering they had been accused recently been accused of blackmailing another ICO. More can be read about it here - https://officialtedblog.com/tokenget-blockchainmob-mobilink-coin/

Bottom line is you must to be careful when sharing any kind of sensitive information with any third party. Your ID is more valuable than your private key. Too much personal information about us is currently online - don't put any more on there than is absolutely necessary. Especially for an airdrop!
Now I see one of the major reasons why a lot of users in this space are always never comfortable with KYC unless they just feel it is a project worth proceeding or some group of team that can be trusted which like you said most of the whole KYC thing is outsourced. Honestly this is just crazy!


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Nahl on September 04, 2018, 05:17:02 PM
This why usually i will skipped ICO with KYC required because i was fear they will stole my personal ID but unfortunately that some of people were not too aware about scam ICO with KYC purposse and all of they think is how to get money but they looks never thinking the risk from provide our personal ID to someone else


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Myart on September 05, 2018, 02:14:35 AM
 I find that to be unreasonable, we are selling our information cheaply


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: marine4u on September 05, 2018, 10:27:56 PM
This why usually i will skipped ICO with KYC required because i was fear they will stole my personal ID but unfortunately that some of people were not too aware about scam ICO with KYC purposse and all of they think is how to get money but they looks never thinking the risk from provide our personal ID to someone else
This is really a very unprofessional way of doing bad projects, which discredits investors for ICO projects. I hope these projects will soon be excluded from this market to provide a better investment environment.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: thinkright on September 05, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
It is unfortunate all this is happening in the crypto world. We are being prone to data compromise each and every day. This is a call for action for bounty hunters to be conscious of the kind of programs we join.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: XIANNE25 on September 06, 2018, 07:46:18 AM
Yes for me it's against my will sometimes to give information about me if I'm a little bit doubt about the project. But there's no choice but to submit documents inorder to receive tokens we bought or from bounty campaign


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Bernardo lewanusa on September 06, 2018, 03:13:29 PM
Yes for me it's against my will sometimes to give information about me if I'm a little bit doubt about the project. But there's no choice but to submit documents inorder to receive tokens we bought or from bounty campaign
Many developers are criminals in disguise and they keep claiming they need the identities verification in regards of countrys restricted from ICO. Though some developers are genuine but you can't trust anyone.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Freddy11 on September 06, 2018, 07:21:16 PM
Since I am just a new bounty hunter. I look for an ICO which has no KYC or has less personal information required.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: marlboroza on September 06, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
Parents always teach kids not to trust strangers and not to give any information online especially copy of passports, id and other documents.
Funny, today's kids are making people to give them credentials and the best part is - they will even take money for it.

I find that to be unreasonable, we are selling our information cheaply
You are not selling anything, you are the one who is paying to give your credentials to some random person on internet   ::)

Yes for me it's against my will sometimes to give information about me if I'm a little bit doubt about the project. But there's no choice but to submit documents inorder to receive tokens we bought or from bounty campaign
Of course there is choice, you can choose not to give your documents. Is your identity worth couple of hundred dollars?  :-\


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Ironmaiden on September 07, 2018, 01:44:38 PM
Parents always teach kids not to trust strangers and not to give any information online especially copy of passports, id and other documents.
Funny, today's kids are making people to give them credentials and the best part is - they will even take money for it.

I find that to be unreasonable, we are selling our information cheaply
You are not selling anything, you are the one who is paying to give your credentials to some random person on internet   ::)

Yes for me it's against my will sometimes to give information about me if I'm a little bit doubt about the project. But there's no choice but to submit documents inorder to receive tokens we bought or from bounty campaign
Of course there is choice, you can choose not to give your documents. Is your identity worth couple of hundred dollars?  :-\
I will certainly never send my personal data over the internet. The fear is great in me that this data is stolen.
I'm definitely one of the few people who have never bought anything online.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: kpd918@ra on September 08, 2018, 05:31:05 PM
I participated in many bonus programs and ico, there are many of them compulsory KYC.I am very anxious when the ico and the campaign has collected personal information and sell personal information


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: glowing10 on September 08, 2018, 05:34:28 PM
I participated in many bonus programs and ico, there are many of them compulsory KYC.I am very anxious when the ico and the campaign has collected personal information and sell personal information


This is the reason people do not participate in many ICO where they require the KYC to be done as they are not sure how they will use the data and sell it . Thus it is better not to only own such ICO coins where the risk is higher.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: imsotiredofmoviereboots on September 10, 2018, 08:30:55 AM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit





That's really frightening. I'm sure that this kind of case can only be possible by those airdrop participants. Most of them are uneducated and the proof is they still continue to join even there are a lot of scams there and even KYC is a must. I want to salute my fellow participants who did not give up any of their info just for a small amount.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: verguat33 on September 10, 2018, 10:14:20 AM
This why usually i will skipped ICO with KYC required because i was fear they will stole my personal ID but unfortunately that some of people were not too aware about scam ICO with KYC purposse and all of they think is how to get money but they looks never thinking the risk from provide our personal ID to someone else
This is really a very unprofessional way of doing bad projects, which discredits investors for ICO projects. I hope these projects will soon be excluded from this market to provide a better investment environment.
Unprofessional? You think scammers care about ethics or something? If they do, they would not be a scam in the first place, don't you think? What is very important for investors is to know how they want to be sharing their information, where they want to share such information and what they are actually sharing.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry nowadays want to invest in ICOs without understanding all that is needed to invest in the first place and that is where they usually get their hands burned eventually until they not just lose their funds but in this case, lose their identities as well.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: nniecan001 on September 10, 2018, 11:58:14 AM
You can see how resourceful the people is... they do everything even faking some important document as well. This is not new here in crypto market, but this one is so new cause the KYC/AML is just started on this year 2018, if I'm not mistaken.

But is it illegal to make a fake KYC/AML as a bounty hunter? Sometimes I don't want them to know who I am, cause I'm a disable person, just a sort of...


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: watashi007 on September 10, 2018, 02:08:06 PM
yes you are right it is the worst possibility they will do and I hope you can avoid the ico program that tells you like that, because the cryptocurrency should be confidential privacy of the user there should be nothing to know if you submit a KYC like that will make yourself you are threatened because your identity can be used for criminal acts like that.
When we have to work hard to earn a living, they take their identity to make a living, so brazen and shameful to those who are doing so. After this I must carefully consider when giving my KYC to them.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: bohr on September 10, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
Even ICOs need to be careful who they partner with for KYC purposes.

We came across a third party who offered their services for KYC and AML, before discovering they had been accused recently been accused of blackmailing another ICO. More can be read about it here - https://officialtedblog.com/tokenget-blockchainmob-mobilink-coin/

Bottom line is you must to be careful when sharing any kind of sensitive information with any third party. Your ID is more valuable than your private key. Too much personal information about us is currently online - don't put any more on there than is absolutely necessary. Especially for an airdrop!


It is interesting that you bring this point and you are correct even icos need to be very careful about which partners they choose to take, I have seen many icos collapsing even if they had a good project and a good set of developers just because one person infiltrated into the ico and decided to destroy the project from the inside, so it is critical not only that we protect our information, the developers of icos need to do the same with their information and with our information.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: badaovodich on September 10, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
You should not provide KYC, personal information, images to people or uncertain projects. Giving information means that it can be used illegally. I will not risk strangers totally on the internet just to get rewards without any value.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: coinplus on September 11, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
I participated in many bonus programs and ico, there are many of them compulsory KYC.I am very anxious when the ico and the campaign has collected personal information and sell personal information
This is the reason people do not participate in many ICO where they require the KYC to be done as they are not sure how they will use the data and sell it . Thus it is better not to only own such ICO coins where the risk is higher.
And this should be the reason why people should take DYOR seriously as much as possible. A lot of investors and most especially newbie investors are too lazy to want to research on a project and for heaven sake, in this regard, you are not just dropping your hard earned money, but you are also dropping your information which even has to do with your identity. This is some crazy stuff to do without doing the properly needed thing to do before even going ahead with any investment.

I participated in many bonus programs and ico, there are many of them compulsory KYC.I am very anxious when the ico and the campaign has collected personal information and sell personal information
So many people or will I say wannabe users looking for free money are the ones who get to be a victim of this as well as those who just tend to want to invest in anything without even doing proper due diligence. I have seen so many projects requesting for KYC that have turned to scams before, and this is a bad thing for those who do not take the pain to research on what they are investing in before even investing in it at all. This is usually some of the results.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: mamesso on September 11, 2018, 11:12:27 PM
This is an opportunity to lie in giving data, KYC does not have to be honest. maybe there are some people who give data that has died. sound cheating but to prevent abuse it might be forced to do.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: lephuqui on September 12, 2018, 11:34:24 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit



We just have to lose money just to lose kyc for ico scam. So I think kc when ico is not successful is not really necessary. We have nothing to protect ourselves, no law. Too easy to make a scam behavior.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: MinerHQ on September 13, 2018, 01:19:08 AM
You should not provide KYC, personal information, images to people or uncertain projects. Giving information means that it can be used illegally. I will not risk strangers totally on the internet just to get rewards without any value.

This crypto market is not regulated so all these projects are not screened by any reputed institute or governments so it is not recommended to provide your personal information to these unknown online people. The best thing you can do it wait for them to list on exchanges then can buy but even though prices may be slightly higher but still it worth to wait for them to list on exchanges. I provided my documents only to a couple of reputed exchanges but not sure how they can secure these documents.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Kevin77 on September 13, 2018, 06:50:58 AM
You should not provide KYC, personal information, images to people or uncertain projects. Giving information means that it can be used illegally. I will not risk strangers totally on the internet just to get rewards without any value.
Giving is usually not the problem, but being careful who you give it to or where you share it to; is actually what you should be more considered about.

Yes, there have been quite a good number of projects that required KYC and these days a lot of exchanges as well require KYC, and in that case, the only thing you can do is to be very careful you have done a lot of research to know if this is a reputable place to be doing a KYC verification or not. No one can be trusted when it comes to online matters, even Facebook Inc. ended up selling people's data, so in a digital space, anything kind of goes.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: CryptoBry on September 13, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
This is why KYC is not a must if the ICO is not a success yet. They also distribute the token after ICO so why do we need to do KYC at first?
Well doing KYC for investment is not a hundred percent sure for the team also as people can give fake information and documents.

Personally, I am also concerned with all of these KYC requirements done by many ICO projects. When in fact, they are not required to do it since they are not all selling securities and bounty hunting promotion just constitute not more than 5% of the token volume and they are all distributed evenly with many participants. There must be something wrong here. I participated in the bounty of OPEN Platform and though they are in fact based in USA they never required KYC for their bounty participants...so how come those who are based in other countries are in fact the ones requiring KYC?


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: pragna on September 13, 2018, 03:50:53 PM
Yea, thats a very very concerning to everybody if it going true. Everything can be happen in virtual world. Scammers are always doing research how simply they will take your money. So if a scammer target anybody he will try everything to hack money from that account. Actually there is nothing to do here whey we have to give documents to make KYC.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Malam90 on September 13, 2018, 03:52:19 PM
Yes, You are absolutely right. This is very alarming as well as shocking matter for us. Many scam projects are taking our valuable documents in the name of KYC. KYC should be stopped from this Forum.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: RandyGamage on September 13, 2018, 09:15:36 PM
Yeah this is not a good situation. we are just selling our personal information cheaply. very bad. we can't stop scammers. pathetic problem with answer-less situation. 


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Koadharber on September 13, 2018, 10:03:42 PM
This is why KYC is not a must if the ICO is not a success yet. They also distribute the token after ICO so why do we need to do KYC at first?
Well doing KYC for investment is not a hundred percent sure for the team also as people can give fake information and documents.

Personally, I am also concerned with all of these KYC requirements done by many ICO projects. When in fact, they are not required to do it since they are not all selling securities and bounty hunting promotion just constitute not more than 5% of the token volume and they are all distributed evenly with many participants. There must be something wrong here. I participated in the bounty of OPEN Platform and though they are in fact based in USA they never required KYC for their bounty participants...so how come those who are based in other countries are in fact the ones requiring KYC?
Not 5% but only on most common allocations with 1-2% on the entire supply or token sold on the sale.Back in the days where bounty hunters doesn't have these kind of requirements but now when fraud and scam become more rampant they tend to change the settings and now adding up KYC. Not all projects ask this thing is fraud but most of the time we aren't really sure on where these informations or documents would go as we have see on op its really disturbing to see these kind of sales.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: pinoyden on September 14, 2018, 09:19:26 AM
Yeah this is not a good situation. we are just selling our personal information cheaply. very bad. we can't stop scammers. pathetic problem with answer-less situation. 

what do you mean when you say we?  not all of us are joining a kyc supported bouny/airdrop/ico , so you cant say we . maybe  few of them are risking their identity to be sold online .  its not threatining at all because kyc is hate by majority of people and i believe most of them wont ever participate on a kyc related activity . 

besides , there are still a lot of bouny/airdrop/ico  out there that we can join although there are still a risk of being scammed . 


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Xianrenbanban on September 14, 2018, 09:28:12 AM
As you said, those fraudulent ICOs, bounty events and airdrops all have this problem. They use KYC to collect our privacy as a way to make money!


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: boty on September 14, 2018, 10:03:36 AM
yes you are right it is very terrible because it provides very sensitive information like that just to get tokens that are given from ico or airdrop which requires you to complete KYC in my opinion it is a very bad act.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: ophyrim on September 14, 2018, 10:15:44 AM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

This is the big risk when you just carelessly joining up bounty campaigns or ICO's which do ask KYC. You wont even know if they are legit or not or just pretending to launch to
get and collect users information or documentation. Checking on the price above each information do really cost good amount. This is a deepweeb url since its on .onion domain.
Im not surprised to see such thing into that place.

I agree. But every ICO asks KYC. There is only one way to join an ICO without KYC. You have to join ICO pool. But this is also risky because you are sending your money to a pool. But you can never be sure that the pool will scam you or not.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: frostmourne0311 on September 14, 2018, 02:14:09 PM
yes you are right it is very terrible because it provides very sensitive information like that just to get tokens that are given from ico or airdrop which requires you to complete KYC in my opinion it is a very bad act.

Yes we don't know what they will do with our information, our very sensitive information. :-\


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: noah tall on September 14, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
Yes for me it's against my will sometimes to give information about me if I'm a little bit doubt about the project. But there's no choice but to submit documents inorder to receive tokens we bought or from bounty campaign
It is a decentralized world and it should be expected. As good projects are trying to make money, scammers are also trying to make money. It is just in the best interest of every investor and wannabe investor to ensure they do a proper diligence before even attempting to invest in a project, let alone, going the KYC way as the case may be.
Most especially when it gets to the point of KYC, I make the team my most important target in scrutinizing so as not to fall a victim of incidence like this.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Slow death on September 14, 2018, 11:50:57 PM
I'm lost here, why exactly should people make KYC to invest in these ICOs? and how do these guys from the ICOs keep people's documents? Who said people must follow KYC in the ICOs? I was very curious when I saw this thread

As good projects are trying to make money, scammers are also trying to make money.

Unfortunately such good projects are very few, because more than 70% are scam


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: BlueStackz on September 15, 2018, 06:48:10 AM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit



Lol this is not a new thing and it has been happening for a long time, thatís why I donít give out my informations just like that and I donít even get involved in ICO, I just buy Bitcoin with my money and Hodl or trade with them for profit. Giving out information to people online is very dangerous and youíre selling yourself for a cheap price.

There are lots of evil things happening in the dark web that most of us donít know about, the world is a very big place where lots of thing happens so we all got to be very careful.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: ngacengan on September 15, 2018, 07:41:12 AM
I think that is a very terrible act because your identity is very sensitive and they can sell your identity to commit crime or whatever they want so you should be careful.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: South Park on September 15, 2018, 05:32:10 PM
This is what many of us warned about this when we knew that bounty hunters and investors will have to go through know your costumer policies, instead of protecting people these policies are increasing the risk for people that want to invest in cryptocurrencies and to me it is very clear that is was made on purpose to try to reduce the strength of such projects, and like always the ones that win with the implementation of those policies are the scammers.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: TheGreatPython on September 17, 2018, 12:39:12 PM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit



We just have to lose money just to lose kyc for ico scam. So I think kc when ico is not successful is not really necessary. We have nothing to protect ourselves, no law. Too easy to make a scam behavior.
That is not what this is all about. This is about those who were a victim of a scam project and they did not just lose their funds, but their data from KYC is being sold in the dark market for a lot of money. In that vein, there is no way someone who has been in such category will not feel betrayed by the system but this is pointless. What anyone should be doing now is to focus on not falling for such in the long run. Once beaten, twice shy!


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Ruslana2121 on September 17, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
Hello,guys!
Attention!
I want to introduce you to what projects do not need to work exactly, I hope this information will be useful to you.
In any case, do not invest your money in them.

Scam ico :
1. GreenEminer - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4962679.0
2. PENCHANT TOKEN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4966399.0
3. REGIXIUM - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4855530.0
4. Modorr - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4940016
5. Bit Money - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4957003.0
6. AIZEUS COIN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4943937
7. Yaahub Exchange - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638889.msg41928531#msg41928531
8. SPAN-COIN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4933628.0
9. BITDOUBLE.CASINO - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4930287.0
10. Support Chain - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4694191.0

Guys be careful.
Good luck to everyone.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: peter0425 on September 18, 2018, 07:03:12 PM
I'm lost here, why exactly should people make KYC to invest in these ICOs? and how do these guys from the ICOs keep people's documents? Who said people must follow KYC in the ICOs? I was very curious when I saw this thread

As good projects are trying to make money, scammers are also trying to make money.

Unfortunately such good projects are very few, because more than 70% are scam

Its because most ICO knows requires KYC's for their investors and bounty hunters. I'm not sure though when this trend started but it suddenly ballooned this year, but then again, you have to think why are they requiring KYC"s? It totally contradicts what crypto is, it should be decentralized. So I will stay away from ICO that ask for KYC, but then again, most of them are scams anyways so regardless, I wouldn't put my hard earn money on them, I don't want to regret it later because just like you said a high percentage are scammers.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Fatunad on September 18, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
I'm lost here, why exactly should people make KYC to invest in these ICOs? and how do these guys from the ICOs keep people's documents? Who said people must follow KYC in the ICOs? I was very curious when I saw this thread

As good projects are trying to make money, scammers are also trying to make money.

Unfortunately such good projects are very few, because more than 70% are scam

Its because most ICO knows requires KYC's for their investors and bounty hunters. I'm not sure though when this trend started but it suddenly ballooned this year, but then again, you have to think why are they requiring KYC"s? It totally contradicts what crypto is, it should be decentralized. So I will stay away from ICO that ask for KYC, but then again, most of them are scams anyways so regardless, I wouldn't put my hard earn money on them, I don't want to regret it later because just like you said a high percentage are scammers.
Its fully contrary on why crypto is being created which is on being decentralized but with due to legality issues and when government starts to involved themselves into this market then they do require out those things to comply with the law.Some might be legit but most of them would be completely illegal or non-sense for them to require such documents.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: jvdp on September 18, 2018, 09:19:23 PM
I think that is a very terrible act because your identity is very sensitive and they can sell your identity to commit crime or whatever they want so you should be careful.

Identity is what kyc verification is looking forward to work with and then you must not join to the campaign wherever you find the people asks you to join the campaign.
ICO company may sell the coins with the investors just for making money.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: PizzaBTC on September 20, 2018, 09:31:04 AM
I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

https://s8.postimg.cc/csu1774g5/image.png


This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion (http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion) where they sell that shit



This is not a new thing, it has been for years and has been happening even anyone thought about Cryptocurrency. There used to be lots of fake sites even till today and what they do is to sell the info of those that registers or performs activities on their site, they will and sell it on the dark web. Thatís why you should never give out sensitive information about yourself to anyone you meet online, always avoid sites that ask about you.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Primaryio on September 20, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
It is important to always be cautious with your identifying details. You definitely should not send personal information to a new project that  that you just heard about... Everybody should be very careful with their identity documents and information. These things should be expected, because it's a decentralized world.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: btcdevil on September 20, 2018, 10:16:13 AM
It is not new as this documents are sold for very small price and mostly they take this documents who are interested in participating in ICO but due to their country restriction they cannot give their proof so they need other country proof and take this documents and fill the ICO kyc requirement and participate in ICO.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: nreal on September 20, 2018, 01:37:08 PM
I think this is one of the risks we have to accept when we participate in an ICO project. The way to limit risk is to carefully review and evaluate the projects that you will participate.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: Cashi on September 20, 2018, 06:43:01 PM
Yes, unfortunately OP is right here, I also had this presumption before, because KYC is going into the completely wrong direction. Finally we have here the proof that submitting KYC is a risk that your personal data are sold to unknown persons and I'm very sure they will use it for illegal things - they will do these illegal things in your name.

The results can be very bad for your, because if they got caught and it is noticed that they are doing illegal things the police will suspect you, because your name is involved. You'll get into big problems maybe pay a big punishment or you have to go to jail.

My result: Be careful and don't hand out your personal data. KYC is a big fail of justice, it's injustice! Bitcoins don't need KYC and that's why I like Bitcoin.  :)


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: @Mhaiang on September 21, 2018, 06:43:12 AM
That's how ugly the consequences will be if you are submitting requirements for KYC into a scam ICO. You're not just wasting your time and money and effort because you also let them earn profit out from you through your ID. That's the very reason why i am so cautious about campaigns that asked KYC for their campaigns.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: umbara ardian on September 21, 2018, 08:58:14 AM
yes you are right ico this will cause you problems and your privacy will be disturbed because surely your personal data will be used for something you don't know so that it will cause you to experience a lot of losses.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: bohr on September 21, 2018, 11:05:27 PM
Yeah this is not a good situation. we are just selling our personal information cheaply. very bad. we can't stop scammers. pathetic problem with answer-less situation. 
If you take the time to analyze the situation you are not selling that information to scammers, you are in fact paying them to get your information which makes things even worse, after all scammers that create those kind of projects just to get your information are not going to build a successful project, they are going to run away with your money and your information, so you just paid for the privilege of losing that information.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: maarx on September 22, 2018, 10:36:25 PM
Yeah this is not a good situation. we are just selling our personal information cheaply. very bad. we can't stop scammers. pathetic problem with answer-less situation. 
If you take the time to analyze the situation you are not selling that information to scammers, you are in fact paying them to get your information which makes things even worse, after all scammers that create those kind of projects just to get your information are not going to build a successful project, they are going to run away with your money and your information, so you just paid for the privilege of losing that information.

Really disappointed to hear the incident. Will that happen by a legit ICO as well? Any chance or news to be like the one published? We recently had legit ICOs listed out in exchanges. They asked us for KYC to be done and we did the same. Are our documents are safe, not sold out? Hope it has not been done yet.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: arwin100 on September 22, 2018, 10:45:47 PM
Yeah this is not a good situation. we are just selling our personal information cheaply. very bad. we can't stop scammers. pathetic problem with answer-less situation. 
If you take the time to analyze the situation you are not selling that information to scammers, you are in fact paying them to get your information which makes things even worse, after all scammers that create those kind of projects just to get your information are not going to build a successful project, they are going to run away with your money and your information, so you just paid for the privilege of losing that information.

Really disappointed to hear the incident. Will that happen by a legit ICO as well? Any chance or news to be like the one published? We recently had legit ICOs listed out in exchanges. They asked us for KYC to be done and we did the same. Are our documents are safe, not sold out? Hope it has not been done yet.

I don't really know on which of them are legit since eventhough they are successful for their cause still we cannot assure that we are on the satety side, and doing this kind of KYC thing makes me worry since I cannot tell if I will be safe on next following months or years for doing KYC.

Maybe there should be a rules or law on this so that people will not be a victim of identity stealer.


Title: Re: ICO scammers, Sell your uploaded KYC ID documents, adress for a lot of money.
Post by: juragane on September 22, 2018, 11:19:02 PM
yes you are right you should be careful when there are ICOs who ask KYC and give your sensitive information to them it will be very terrible and your data can be used for actions that are not good.