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I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

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This adres http://wallstyizjhkrvmj.onion where they sell that shit


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August 17, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
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I am also concerned about the bounty hunting campaign that the bounty hunter has taken. I find that to be unreasonable, we are selling our information cheaply
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I think that ICO scammers will not just take off with your invested money.

Probably also they selling your ID. proof of Identity + Selfie + proof of Residenz
Uploaded KYC ID documents + selfies and address data are sold with large quantities on the darkweb, which are probably collected via scam projects.

What do you think?.

check these screenshots for example

This is the big risk when you just carelessly joining up bounty campaigns or ICO's which do ask KYC. You wont even know if they are legit or not or just pretending to launch to
get and collect users information or documentation. Checking on the price above each information do really cost good amount. This is a deepweeb url since its on .onion domain.
Im not surprised to see such thing into that place.

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August 17, 2018, 06:59:20 PM
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It can take years to rebuild your life and credit after identity theft, yet people are willing to upload their documents to any random person that can make a website - be it an ICO, an exchange, whatever.

In an area where privacy is supposed to be one of the underlying principles, I will never understand why people are so willing to give up theirs.

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August 17, 2018, 07:34:41 PM
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I'm a bounty hunter and sometimes the bounty management or the ICO teams requires me to do KYC but I only do the trustworthy ones like the ones managed by credible bounty managements like Amazix. Anyways, this kind of confirms what I thought was gonna happen when I did the KYC but I'm just hoping that I don't get arrested if I travel around the world or be dragged out of my country or get me shot out of nowhere and no reason I know.

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August 17, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
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in particular, they can destroy families for their lives if you have to pay huge tax amounts because someone else has traded a lot on your name.

something needs to be done about this. This is a big serious problem.

I also think they steal your password and email addresses that you used to sign up for a scam ico account. which they try out for example your email address and trading accounts to steal money.
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August 17, 2018, 07:41:15 PM
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It can take years to rebuild your life and credit after identity theft, yet people are willing to upload their documents to any random person that can make a website - be it an ICO, an exchange, whatever.
Yup.  And these people who willingly give up pieces of their identity for projects whose origin and security is at best unknown are being stupid.  You just never know what they're going to do with that information--if the documents and photos end up on the dark web for sale, it isn't surprising in the least.

If signature campaigns ever start requiring KYC documents, that'll be the last time I participate in one.  I didn't even need this example to know that this could be the fate of my identity.  I was reluctant to provide Kraken with KYC info when they asked for it, and I ended up just not using their exchange because of it.  There is too much identity theft going on and if you don't know the people you're dealing with you're taking too much of a risk.  IMO no one should disclose their identity for a bounty.  Even if the project itself isn't selling info, they could easily get hacked.  Who knows what they do for security or with the information.

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August 17, 2018, 07:44:02 PM
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Yup, it is this reason why you are best to be very very very careful with your identity documents and information - don't just blindly give them out to a random stranger offering a few measly coins - it's not worth it and your life can be ruined by identity theft. It's just not worth it everyone - always be cautious with your identifying details.
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August 17, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
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Who is crazy for sending his personal information to a new site/project that you just heard about some days ago and from which you don't know anyone working there. Better to sell your own ID yourself on the www at least you get some money. Privacy is costly nowadays

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August 17, 2018, 09:07:05 PM
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I was reluctant to provide Kraken with KYC info when they asked for it, and I ended up just not using their exchange because of it.

Even if the exchange is reputable, like Kraken for example, you have to also have complete faith in their security. Given the number of hacks and leaks that occur daily, not just in crypto but across all online companies, the only safe course of action is to trust no one.

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Who is crazy for sending his personal information to a new site/project that you just heard about some days ago and from which you don't know anyone working there. Better to sell your own ID yourself on the www at least you get some money. Privacy is costly nowadays
We should consider these actions. It will lead to bad results. Affects individual reputation. It is uncomfortable for bad guys to behave badly. And we should be alert and watch out for bad things to come.

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August 18, 2018, 01:04:44 AM
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Unfortunately, I can say that the government such as America and China are also guilty of this, which means that you are constantly dealing with KYC / AML procces.
They impose rules that have not been thought about. Rules were introduced as a matter of urgency because they knew that they could miss out on a lot of tax money when bitcoin rose at an extremely fast pace. They have not even looked at new problems caused by these regulations.

They lay down rules such as KYC / AML to stop money laundering and tax evasion to keep criminals out. They know very well that there is no solution for this and there is never a solution to this. In reality, they just know that they can earn a lot of money from people who have a bit of altcoins or bitcoin.
Now that the American government finally earns their 30% tax from their citizens, they are happy and the rest of what happens does not matter much.
That these scam projects sell your data on the darkweb for even more bitcoin is very big because they know how it all works.

Because of all these senseless rules, your id data fall very easily into the hands of these criminal scammers, as a result of which it is precisely the decent citizens who fall victim to it. Probably you are not even helped by the government and you remain guilty and you have to pay for it. They know that you have crypto coins in your possession because you gave them honestly with the tax. Prove that the other 3 million dollar bitcoins are not yours and that someone has used your data to evade taxes

The government must solve this problem, I think. If they impose rules, they must immediately solve new problems arising from the regulations.


There is a big bug in the KYC / AML verification procces on exchanges or ico projects. This is the same on the largest exchanges. If you live in another country where the exchange is located, data can not be checked for authenticity at all. You get a fully approved verification even on the largest exchanges in the name of non-existent people. Name, surname, date of birth and citizen number on the front and back of your own ID card can be adjusted with photoshop to anything you want. Your own passport photo on the ID card simply leaves you original. You can get through this whole process without any problems.

They can better eliminate KYC / AML verification procces on exchanges and ico projects because it is a worthless system. They can not check personal data because they are legally not entitled to check personal data if you from a different country.
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August 18, 2018, 04:08:21 AM
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All i say is that i am very careful regarding to all of my informations before entering into some project that requires kyc,  most of it that i have observed is the https from search engine, without this https green i really don't trust website with less security that is made by some developers as a part of the project. Choose wisely. 

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August 18, 2018, 05:52:03 AM
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Because of all these senseless rules, your id data fall very easily into the hands of these criminal scammers, as a result of which it is precisely the decent citizens who fall victim to it.

I completely disagree. It is people's own stupidity that caused their documents to end up in the hands of scammers, not some government rule. No one is forcing you to send your documents to anyone.


The government must solve this problem, I think. If they impose rules, they must immediately solve new problems arising from the regulations.

I'm sorry, but if you think having your identity stolen freely giving away your identity in return for a few cents worth of some trash altcoin is worth it, then no amount of new government rules are going to protect you from your own stupidity.

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August 18, 2018, 06:42:24 AM
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Well, we all knew this one comming right after the KYC was implemented. Even without the though of identity theft, we are in doubt in giving away our information, because it could be used against us anytime.  Now, bounty hunters must be very careful when they ask for KYC verification, what the OP posted is one of many examples you will end up when your identity lands in the wrong hands. I'm not gonna risks my identity with these complete strangers over the internet just to get rewards that has no value yet.
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August 18, 2018, 07:49:06 AM
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Because of all these senseless rules, your id data fall very easily into the hands of these criminal scammers, as a result of which it is precisely the decent citizens who fall victim to it.

I completely disagree. It is people's own stupidity that caused their documents to end up in the hands of scammers, not some government rule. No one is forcing you to send your documents to anyone.


The government must solve this problem, I think. If they impose rules, they must immediately solve new problems arising from the regulations.

I'm sorry, but if you think having your identity stolen freely giving away your identity in return for a few cents worth of some trash altcoin is worth it, then no amount of new government rules are going to protect you from your own stupidity.

We may differ in opinion. I do say that it comes from the American government. I know what I am talking about and come up with facts.

I am almost certain that you have been crypto for less than 1 year. Otherwise you could see something of change.
Bittrex, Poloniex, as an example. These are exchanges from America. People who have trade in  crypto for more than 1.5 years probably know what I mean. 1.5 years ago, these were the largest exchanges.  You could still quietly withdraw from your trading account on these 2 exchanges ,up to 2 btc without sending your id data.

Suddenly that was no longer possible around October last year at bittrex. Not much later that happened at poloniex.
You could not even take your money from your trading accounts. You were required to send all your data for AML / KYC before you could withdraw 1 cent from your account.
No, no one obliges you, no one obliges you to send your ID data. No indeed people are very stupid when you send your ID data so that you can withdraw money from your trading account. Leave that $ 200,000 on the account. They may have it for free. It only costs 500 days and a total of 8,000 hours. No indeed I agree with you.
I'd rather throw that $ 200,000 away than I'd be so stupid to send identity data to get your $ 200,000 back.

With European exchanges you do not suffer from the kyc / aml if you send and send normal and small amounts. Even with fiat> crypto and crypto> fiat transactions, I can withdraw money from and from my account to and from my normal bank account without a mandatory kyc / aml.

Well, you're talking about stupid people who leave their data behind in scam projects. to see your signature do it yourself.
check: https://forum.bitcoingambling.io/threads/beware-of-sportsbet-io-kyc-aml-requirements-possible-scam.220/  Grin Huh Roll Eyes
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August 18, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
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I think that KYC verification is problematic in a sense.
In particular, the fact that personal information data is stolen is suspected to be forged and used for another crime.
It is a problem to be a criminal without knowing it.


How about the idea that management will first disclose KYC verification rather than asking the user for KYC verification?

It is to make it impossible to escape fraud and make it impossible to do the same ICO and project.
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August 18, 2018, 08:25:09 AM
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To solve a large part of this problem, all KYC / AML inspections must be done by a single central company for all countries.
Documents should no longer be uploaded via exchanges or ico websites.

Something needs to be developed from a system of a Central KYC / AML inspector. Where exchanges and ico projects can not reach this data. If the auditor has given this approval, exchanges or ico projects must then be notified that they can fully verify your account.

In this way, this problem is almost completely solved.
But it only works if all countries in the world work together so that the inspector has access to personal data in every country. so that KYC / AML can check this data with the data from the government system.
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August 18, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
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It can take years to rebuild your life and credit after identity theft, yet people are willing to upload their documents to any random person that can make a website - be it an ICO, an exchange, whatever.

In an area where privacy is supposed to be one of the underlying principles, I will never understand why people are so willing to give up theirs.

And this is precisely what people aren't prepared for. I've been a minor victim in the past, wasn't much of a reputational damage as it was a clear impersonation, but this was why for many years I never even so much as used a pic online for social media.

Unfortunately, changing my career has forced me to use my identity online. I've so far stayed away from exchanges that require anything more than a phone number to verify, although for Localbitcoins I have verified my ID. Wish Bisq could have come sooner! Basically, remote work and being involved in Bitcoin has forced me to get to unprecedented levels of KYC and identity exposure haha. My small consolation is that my nationality isn't the most desired, and I maintain very short expiry documents deliberately (it's easy to get a renewal in my country).

But you're right. Too many people willing to part with their privacy for a fistful of dollars.

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August 18, 2018, 08:52:09 AM
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This is why KYC is not a must if the ICO is not a success yet.
they also distribute the token after ICO so why do we need to do KYC at first?
Well doing KYC for investment is not a hundred percent sure for the team also.
as people can give fake information and documents.

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