Bitcoin Forum

There is one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0

The problem is that they're just not getting restored.

Recently I have seen many thread for recover ban/locked & hacked account on meta board.
Why not make a pin post by moderator for claim ban/locked and hacked account.

Subject might be, "Claim your ban/locked and hacked account here"

It's not better make a pin post instead of multiple thread for recover account ?
As far as I know moderators can solve ban and locked account except hacked account.

Some people's  waiting from years for get backed their account even he have enough proof. Admin shouldn't give priority to help them for  get back their account ?
Due to merit system it's not easy to build a ranked account now.

I believe if admin give power to moderators for recover  hacked account, it will be easy to get back hacked account for victim . And it will reduce pressure of admin.

As a most popular Cryptocurrency discussion forum,  also need upgrade security system for member's, like 2FA to prevent hacker.

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There is one thread with guidelines but it's locked. No one can reply.

The ones you are seeing are ban appeals because they have to post that here.

This is why I suggested that the message displayed when you are banned be changed to contact theymos/cyrus to appeal the ban. This way it doesn't clog up the Meta section. It's hardly a public matter anyway so it makes sense to have it privately discussed via personal messages.

Almost all of these users don't have chance to be unbanned, but despite that, they have right to appeal. Many of banned users don't even know reason why they got ban and by making these threads they get explanation from mods. But maybe it would better to show reason of ban when users are trying to login in to banned account. Then we would see less ban appeal threads I think.

I don't get why can't the forum hire like one or two people to recover those locked accounts with signed messages.

The real question is: Why so many accounts need to restored from hack? (after the hack in the past)

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Big part of the accounts are sold and then the seller is trying to get it back as he has the signed address in the list and claiming that the account was hacked. That's why there should be an "investigation" for each case.

As theymos said some time ago the recovery will be automated, as he is working on the new system which should have been implemented this month, but as we know theymos, he is probably traveling somewhere with speed of light and the time in minutes there are measured with years here soo.. idk what is his idea for a "month"...


Big part of the accounts are sold and then the seller is trying to get it back as he has the signed address in the list and claiming that the account was hacked. That's why there should be an "investigation" for each case.

As theymos said some time ago the recovery will be automated, as he is working on the new system which should have been implemented this month, but as we know theymos, he is probably traveling somewhere with speed of light and the time in minutes there are measured with years here soo.. idk what is his idea for a "month"...

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I don't get why can't the forum hire like one or two people to recover those locked accounts with signed messages.

One or two people would be able to recover dozens of accounts per day and this problem could be easily solved very quickly.

There are many trusted members here on the forum that would do that for a small fee in btc.

This trust means that they can access to admin's account. Thus they have full powers just as theymos does.
Even if we assume that such a trust exists, the large number of admins will cause some bugs + any hacks of these accounts would threaten the forum as a whole.
Also, the process of restoring accounts is not merely a sign/verify the message.

The best solution is that theymos trusts the investigations of some members and thus recovers those accounts based on their recommendations.

I really don't think that this is a problem at all as long as it is about an account recovery following the guidelines for recovering via a signed message as sometimes a follow up thread is something that is needed to be done in order to get the attention of the admins

Up for visibility. I think it's time to create sticked post by moderators since so many ban post reflecting on meta. Mod could answer them easily who got ban. Once open meta just see ban appeal post. Sometimes difficult to found few important post.

But this is what Meta is for: forum-based issues, and that's what a banned account falls under. It's even in the rules that banned users can only post in here. I don't think we need a new sub for this, especially as Meta would be pretty empty without them, but a way we can severely curb this behaviour is to just change the way bans are issued. If permabanned users are just actually told that they're banned for copy and pastes then 98% of them probably won't bother creating another account to ask why (though I'm sure some will still do so to try futilely protest and whatnot). Bans are clunky and tedious to issue on this forum and I don't know whether theymos will make any changes now, but I'm sure it'll be easier and more efficient on the new forum software and hopefully reasons can be given for all bans. We have one permaban button for Ban + IP ban and maybe theymos could issue another that does the same but automatically gives the reason as copy and paste since the bans issued for this are prolific and probably won't decline anytime soon. Only he can make changes to that though, but I'm not sure a new board is necessary. Same goes for account recovery. They just actually need to start being recovered and moving them into a new section is just sweeping them under the rug.

I'm in support of the discussion "New Child Board for banned users" I also have some additional suggestion. I notice all members who started the topic on ban accounts are new members and that can only mean as a ban user you lose the privileges to start topics or rely on topics so the only option is to create a new account to appeal your case. I believe this isn't the best solution since most users get banned and most times don't know why. So in addition to creating a separate child board for banned users, they should also have the privileges of using their old account to appeal their cases only on the child board section. this will prevent the amount of alt account created on the forum.

Didn't I hear about an automatic account recovery system being implemented at some point? I'm assuming the backlog of current accounts would still need manual recovery.

Theymos said it should be hopefully ready by the end of the year, but there's no guarantees. I also don't know what those who can't sign a message are going to do, or can sign one but from an eth address or whatever.

It was supposed to be about the end of June but whatever. It could be one of the best forum improvement currently needed. Seeing how the situation is... ::)

We should not stop ban users to post in this section for all I know that it is being allowed by the admin of this forum. This is being specified in this thread Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)

Besides a user has also the right to know why he has ban in the forum and so does the staff or moderators to follow their interpretation of the rules.

Unfortunately, all of the ban appeal attempts in this section will fail. Modz has 100% accuracy when they ban an account! This is the only way OP that we could help the admin to resolve some issue for the ban appeal of some users in this forum. But, for those locked accounts then I cannot comment a post for this time.

The rules can be amended. Besides, they're 'unofficial' and I don't think anyone is trying to prohibit users protesting or appealing completely, but rather to limit the number that are needlessly doing it and also clogging up Meta in the process. If the way bans are issued changes and the reason is stated then users won't need to create a new account to ask why they're banned as they'll know. Some will still inevitably protest but people are proposing it should just be in a separate 'ban issues' subboard.

Big part of the accounts are sold and then the seller is trying to get it back as he has the signed address in the list and claiming that the account was hacked. That's why there should be an "investigation" for each case.

Can we provide a mechanism that the Seller of an account will publicly announce that there is a new owner of his/her account?
(though I notice that Buyers of these accounts are always tagged as red trust)

The rule suggests that it is not illegal to sell an account (yet it is discouraged).  At the very least, this can lessen the occurrence of the concern of selling of an account and getting it back using a signed address.

 
Totally agreed. I also created a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4460980.msg39965175#msg39965175) regarding this separate sub-forum for ban appeals but most of the members wouldn't agree with my suggestion. It is not a big deal to show the reason for their ban if we think about the number of useless threads. If the admin wouldn't agree to start a separate sub-board it is better to increase the number of Global Mods to investigate the appeals/hacked account requests quickly.

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 Accounts will always be sold here whether we ban them or not, but the best we can do is look at ways at curbing the behaviour and I think letting users purchase more donator ranks like Silver and Gold with the benefits of higher ranks is the way to go. It would pretty much kill account sales because most people aren't going to take the risk of being scammed and all they want the accounts for in the first place is for a larger signature anyway.
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