Meta board flooded by account recovery thread ( ban/locked and hacked account)

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It was supposed to be about the end of June but whatever. It could be one of the best forum improvement currently needed. Seeing how the situation is...

You sure about that? Wasn't that the reporter badges? Pretty sure he said by the end of the year for the recovery system.

We should not stop ban users to post in this section for all I know that it is being allowed by the admin of this forum. This is being specified in this thread Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

25. If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

Besides a user has also the right to know why he has ban in the forum and so does the staff or moderators to follow their interpretation of the rules.

The rules can be amended. Besides, they're 'unofficial' and I don't think anyone is trying to prohibit users protesting or appealing completely, but rather to limit the number that are needlessly doing it and also clogging up Meta in the process. If the way bans are issued changes and the reason is stated then users won't need to create a new account to ask why they're banned as they'll know. Some will still inevitably protest but people are proposing it should just be in a separate 'ban issues' subboard.

[vphasitha01]

Unfortunately, all of the ban appeal attempts in this section will fail. Modz has 100% accuracy when they ban an account! This is the only way OP that we could help the admin to resolve some issue for the ban appeal of some users in this forum. But, for those locked accounts then I cannot comment a post for this time.

I'm afraid to say that you're wrong. Because I have been banned by a Global Mod mistakenly when I was a member and unbanned with an apology. They are also humans and I can't imagine how much workload they got assigned with the limited number of available Global Mods.

The rules can be amended. Besides, they're 'unofficial' and I don't think anyone is trying to prohibit users protesting or appealing completely, but rather to limit the number that are needlessly doing it and also clogging up Meta in the process. If the way bans are issued changes and the reason is stated then users won't need to create a new account to ask why they're banned as they'll know. Some will still inevitably protest but people are proposing it should just be in a separate 'ban issues' subboard.

 
Totally agreed. I also created a thread regarding this separate sub-forum for ban appeals but most of the members wouldn't agree with my suggestion. It is not a big deal to show the reason for their ban if we think about the number of useless threads. If the admin wouldn't agree to start a separate sub-board it is better to increase the number of Global Mods to investigate the appeals/hacked account requests quickly.

[xfactor13]

The real question is: Why so many accounts need to restored from hack? (after the hack in the past)

Big part of the accounts are sold and then the seller is trying to get it back as he has the signed address in the list and claiming that the account was hacked. That's why there should be an "investigation" for each case.

Can we provide a mechanism that the Seller of an account will publicly announce that there is a new owner of his/her account?
(though I notice that Buyers of these accounts are always tagged as red trust)

The rule suggests that it is not illegal to sell an account (yet it is discouraged).  At the very least, this can lessen the occurrence of the concern of selling of an account and getting it back using a signed address.

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The real question is: Why so many accounts need to restored from hack? (after the hack in the past)

Big part of the accounts are sold and then the seller is trying to get it back as he has the signed address in the list and claiming that the account was hacked. That's why there should be an "investigation" for each case.

Can we provide a mechanism that the Seller of an account will publicly announce that there is a new owner of his/her account?
(though I notice that Buyers of these accounts are always tagged as red trust)

The rule suggests that it is not illegal to sell an account (yet it is discouraged).  At the very least, this can lessen the occurrence of the concern of selling of an account and getting it back using a signed address.

Nobody is going to do this and you've already stated why. Accounts that are known to have traded hands will almost certainly be tagged and that's why the deals are done behind closed doors and this isn't something theymos could or will enforce anyway. Accounts will always be sold here whether we ban them or not, but the best we can do is look at ways at curbing the behaviour and I think letting users purchase more donator ranks like Silver and Gold with the benefits of higher ranks is the way to go. It would pretty much kill account sales because most people aren't going to take the risk of being scammed and all they want the accounts for in the first place is for a larger signature anyway.

The rules can be amended. Besides, they're 'unofficial' and I don't think anyone is trying to prohibit users protesting or appealing completely, but rather to limit the number that are needlessly doing it and also clogging up Meta in the process. If the way bans are issued changes and the reason is stated then users won't need to create a new account to ask why they're banned as they'll know. Some will still inevitably protest but people are proposing it should just be in a separate 'ban issues' subboard.

 
Totally agreed. I also created a thread regarding this separate sub-forum for ban appeals but most of the members wouldn't agree with my suggestion. It is not a big deal to show the reason for their ban if we think about the number of useless threads. If the admin wouldn't agree to start a separate sub-board it is better to increase the number of Global Mods to investigate the appeals/hacked account requests quickly.

As I said before, it would just be better to amend the way people are banned and state the reason then 99% of people probably won't bother asking why because they'll already know. We'll still get the occasional protester asking for leniency but there's nothing we can do about that.

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 Accounts will always be sold here whether we ban them or not, but the best we can do is look at ways at curbing the behaviour and I think letting users purchase more donator ranks like Silver and Gold with the benefits of higher ranks is the way to go. It would pretty much kill account sales because most people aren't going to take the risk of being scammed and all they want the accounts for in the first place is for a larger signature anyway.
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It could also help the spam situation as well, because if the account farmers won't farm and sell more and more accounts, there will be no need to gather activity (and merit) for the farmed accounts, this means less spam or copypaste posts on every board (but mainly on the mostly infected boards...)

[otrkid1970]

This problem is called a COMPLETE failure at Administration level-theymos