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Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 03:27:21 PM
So is everyone allowed to post their ponzi scheme garbage in the general forum or just Atlas?


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 03:42:30 PM

So is everyone allowed to post their ponzi scheme garbage in the general forum or just Atlas?
This is for charity so it's a little different.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 03:52:33 PM

It's a ponzi scheme that you claim will result in you donating bitcoins to charity if some criteria are met that you are hesitant to quantify. 

Shall we run through your list of projects on this forum that you never finished?
Linking the BTC economy with Team Fortress 2 Hats.
Raising funds for a private army.
Soliciting donations to run an anti Obama ad.
Soliciting donations to run a bitcoin ad on the Alex Jones show.
Claiming to launch a self defense weapon company.
Claiming to develop some middleman fantasy device you named after anime money.
...and I know there are more.


Or we can talk about how you are always asking for loans from people on this forum.  Or how you make bets then back out of them when you realize you've lost.  Or how you've abandoned several identities on these forums to avoid your past performance.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 05:12:55 PM
Jalum, I think it's time to relax and look at the big picture. I haven't hurt anybody.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
Jalum, I think it's time to relax and look at the big picture. I haven't hurt anybody.

You backed out of a 100 BTC bet after it was clear you lost.  You hurt the victor of that bet to the tune of $300-400 (at the time).  I'm confident that if you had won that bet and the other party didn't pay you, you'd feel they robbed you of value/stole from you. 


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 05:46:42 PM
Jalum, I think it's time to relax and look at the big picture. I haven't hurt anybody.

You backed out of a 100 BTC bet after it was clear you lost.  You hurt the victor of that bet to the tune of $300-400 (at the time).  I'm confident that if you had won that bet and the other party didn't pay you, you'd feel they robbed you of value/stole from you. 

Hahaha. I did not clearly lose. People just stated semantic loopholes.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 05:48:39 PM
Jalum, I think it's time to relax and look at the big picture. I haven't hurt anybody.

Tweenwave doesn't hurt anyone either but it's annoying as fuck. Not everyone is an emotional robot. And even if we are, we don't like our buttons constantly being mispressed, especially by unskilled wannabe controllers why think the can operate us because they read about it on the back of a cereal box.

If I were you I'd do at least twice as much as you say, and on that note not say anything until something is already done.
Matthew, I'm fine. My words can just as easily be ignored and passed down to the bottom of the forum. If anything, I bring great value to this forum. I'm patient, understanding and I happen to express myself freely. If you don't like the way I am, you can go your own way. It's that simple.

You're not going to change me. You're not going to make me submit to your preference. I accept you as you are and I hope you can do the same for others.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: tysat on October 28, 2011, 05:54:06 PM
If anything, I bring great value to this forum.

Someone seems a little full of themself...


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 05:54:41 PM
Jalum, I think it's time to relax and look at the big picture. I haven't hurt anybody.

You backed out of a 100 BTC bet after it was clear you lost.  You hurt the victor of that bet to the tune of $300-400 (at the time).  I'm confident that if you had won that bet and the other party didn't pay you, you'd feel they robbed you of value/stole from you. 

Hahaha. I did not clearly lose. People just stated semantic loopholes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48178.0

You asked for something to be proven.  You said you would pay someone 100 BTC if they could prove it.  Someone proved it, logically and factually.  Then you closed the thread and deleted your account.

Because that's what people do when they know they're right: they lock the thread and delete their account.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
f anything, I bring great value to this forum.

Someone seems a little full of themself...
There's at least one person on here who appreciates my presence. If not, fuck it. I like engaging others alone.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 05:56:05 PM
Jalum, I think it's time to relax and look at the big picture. I haven't hurt anybody.

You backed out of a 100 BTC bet after it was clear you lost.  You hurt the victor of that bet to the tune of $300-400 (at the time).  I'm confident that if you had won that bet and the other party didn't pay you, you'd feel they robbed you of value/stole from you. 

Hahaha. I did not clearly lose. People just stated semantic loopholes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48178.0

You asked for something to be proven.  You said you would pay someone 100 BTC if they could prove it.  Someone proved it, logically and factually.  Then you closed the thread and deleted your account.

Because that's what people do when they know they're right: they lock the thread and delete their account.

Nobody did. I won't be addressing this any further.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 06:22:42 PM
f anything, I bring great value to this forum.

Someone seems a little full of themself...
There's at least one person on here who appreciates my presence. If not, fuck it. I like engaging others alone.

Really? I think you're plain, unoriginal, ununique, everyday ordinary vanilla copycat who changes your fundemental belief system based on what people on an internet forum tell you too after they've all proven you're full of shit, but instead of accepting it and trying to change you continue in with
delusions of grandeur that you are somehow a 'leader', 'pioneer' or 'innovator' in anything, all the lacking all humility, never grateful for people guiding you in the right direction, and completely full of yourself.

The 'value' you bring to this forum is similair to bitrebel and logansryche-- the same value bullwinkle provides to rocky.

I think your opinion sucks.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 06:44:11 PM
Matthew, I am happy. I have nothing to prove. I aim to provide value when I can and I inevitably do.

Please understand your attempts at providing wisdom are in vain. Now learn to accept yourself, others and the world as they are. That's all I wish to offer.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 08:18:05 PM
Matthew, I am happy.

As long as you ignore all my posts when I'm enraged or depressed.

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I have nothing to prove.

Which is why I never make threads entitled:

This is how the weak are protected in a free society.
99%, 53%, 1%, Black, White - It's all retarded.
If you want to have slaves...
Here are the facts...
The Liberal "Grown-up" Mentality
The top 1% was never really the top 1%...
From the people who predicted the 2008 crisis: The most important message...

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I aim to provide value when I can and I inevitably do.

No, don't ask me to explain how I provide value, it's inevitable!

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Please understand your attempts at providing wisdom are in vain. Now learn to accept yourself, others and the world as they are. That's all I wish to offer.

But ignore all that when I'm criticizing the libtard sheeple about their inability to see that flouridated water is part of the sterilization process put into place by the central banking cabal.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
I haven't been depressed in a long time. I never get angry.

What's your objective, Jalum?


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
What's your objective, Jalum?

In this thread?  I'd like to get this thread (and all your other ponzi scheme threads under your other accounts) moved to the gambling forum where they belong.




Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: bitleaker on October 28, 2011, 08:33:43 PM
f anything, I bring great value to this forum.

Someone seems a little full of themself...
There's at least one person on here who appreciates my presence. If not, fuck it. I like engaging others alone.
Yes, that person is your bipolar twin, which in turn, is linked to the same oversized and undereducated ego.

The only people who appreciate your presence on this forum are SomethingAwful goons who are on here to mock you. Everyone else here is bored of you.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Jalum on October 28, 2011, 08:34:51 PM
The only people who appreciate your presence on this forum are SomethingAwful goons who are on here to mock you. Everyone else here is bored of you.

I'm the former though moving on to the latter.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Rarity on October 28, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
I never get angry.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4393.0

Everybody gets angry sometimes.


v "Never"


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 28, 2011, 09:18:34 PM
Yeah, that was one instance. I prefer not to be angry though.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: Rassah on October 28, 2011, 09:22:44 PM
I know for a fact that SomethingAwfull appreciates the loving out of Atlas's posts. Evidence in how much time they devote to him. Good luck with the gambly thingy.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 29, 2011, 03:24:52 PM
I never get angry.

Yeah, that was one instance. I prefer not to be angry though.


How much value do you think a liar like yourself actually brings?

Unoriginal.

Did you really think everyone here is trying to help you? When a random kid walks up to you on the street and starts a conversation about how awesome he is, why do you think people want to hear? We're begging you to shut up, stop talking and go home. Anyone asking serious questions to you are just trying to get you to say more ridiculous and immature things for their amusement.
Your wish is that everyone backs off of you, treats you like an 'equal', and still lets you bother them. There's a social disorder in there somewhere.

Heh. I had several people tell me what a great friend I was the other day. I have a date lined up this Sunday. Life tells me that I am a valuable person. Matthew, you have no idea who you're dealing with. I don't know what you are trying to gain but, frankly, your ruse is very immature for a gentleman of your stature. You're better than this.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 29, 2011, 05:50:53 PM
I know for a fact that SomethingAwfull appreciates the loving out of Atlas's posts. Evidence in how much time they devote to him. Good luck with the gambly thingy.
Heh. Thanks, Rassah.


Title: 30 MINUTES LEFT!
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 29, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
I never get angry.

Yeah, that was one instance. I prefer not to be angry though.


How much value do you think a liar like yourself actually brings?

Unoriginal.

Did you really think everyone here is trying to help you? When a random kid walks up to you on the street and starts a conversation about how awesome he is, why do you think people want to hear? We're begging you to shut up, stop talking and go home. Anyone asking serious questions to you are just trying to get you to say more ridiculous and immature things for their amusement.
Your wish is that everyone backs off of you, treats you like an 'equal', and still lets you bother them. There's a social disorder in there somewhere.

Heh. I had several people tell me what a great friend I was the other day. I have a date lined up this Sunday. Life tells me that I am a valuable person. Matthew, you have no idea who you're dealing with. I don't know what you are trying to gain but, frankly, your ruse is very immature for a gentleman of your stature. You're better than this.


Wow that must be a new record for you. So your mommy and daddy say you're special, you believe them (even though all parents tell their kids that) and you have several people tell you you're a great friend! And logansryche got 15 signatures for a petition to get disney to release talespin to him-- 12 more people than who called you a good friend! That proves that quantity is more important than mental health.

It's very 'special' that you appreciate online friends' opinions but 'having a date' is not an accomplishment. Let us know how many of them "orgasm in admiration" of you.
Most of my friends aren't online, Matthew. I don't know if you can say the same.

Why is my mental health in question again? Heh.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: RandyFolds on October 30, 2011, 01:46:18 AM
My goodness, there are so many things said here that I want to quote and mock. Good thing I have to be somewhere soon.

Atlas, you should stop listing every time someone compliments you or orgasms out of admiration for you. It makes you sound desperate.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Giraffe.BTC on October 30, 2011, 02:31:43 AM
I don't understand why the Bitcoin community embraces scams like Ponzi schemes so enthusiastically.  Crap, theymos had (still has?) a link to a Ponzi scheme in his sig for the longest time.  It's just sad.  And letting one of the least reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 30, 2011, 03:06:24 AM
And letting one of the most reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 
Fixed that for you.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: RandyFolds on October 30, 2011, 03:38:07 AM
And letting one of the most embarrassing forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond unreliable. 
Fixed that for you.

Fixed that fixed that for you.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Giraffe.BTC on October 30, 2011, 03:40:38 AM
Fixed that for you.
Oh, I know you think you're reliable.  That's because you're delusional, which is part of the reason you're such a hopeless fuck-up.  The last time I asked you why people would believe you would carry out the work you proposed doing in light of your 0% follow-through record in the past, you said that you truly believed in the project and would never stop fighting for something you believed in.  Within about six hours, you had closed the thread and cancelled the project.  

What's sad is that the admins here have witnessed your countless failures and lies but choose to do nothing to protect those who might not be aware of your history.  I guess pro-Bitcoin zealotry outweighs honesty and ability.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 30, 2011, 04:18:17 AM
Hey, if he pays back the money, who cares? People shouldn't be investing in or lending to anyone before they research them, anyway. It's as if Giraffe is implying everyone but him are gullible idiots.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 30, 2011, 04:31:37 AM
Fixed that for you.
Oh, I know you think you're reliable.  That's because you're delusional, which is part of the reason you're such a hopeless fuck-up.  The last time I asked you why people would believe you would carry out the work you proposed doing in light of your 0% follow-through record in the past, you said that you truly believed in the project and would never stop fighting for something you believed in.  Within about six hours, you had closed the thread and cancelled the project.  

What's sad is that the admins here have witnessed your countless failures and lies but choose to do nothing to protect those who might not be aware of your history.  I guess pro-Bitcoin zealotry outweighs honesty and ability.
I don't recall a single time I've failed. I've found things that don't work but failure? Hah. I haven't cost anybody anything.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 30, 2011, 04:55:44 AM
Now they are going to say you cost them their time, brain cells, and IQ points, when they're the ones clicking on and reading your posts  ::)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: deslok on October 30, 2011, 05:33:02 AM
Fixed that for you.
Oh, I know you think you're reliable.  That's because you're delusional, which is part of the reason you're such a hopeless fuck-up.  The last time I asked you why people would believe you would carry out the work you proposed doing in light of your 0% follow-through record in the past, you said that you truly believed in the project and would never stop fighting for something you believed in.  Within about six hours, you had closed the thread and cancelled the project.  

What's sad is that the admins here have witnessed your countless failures and lies but choose to do nothing to protect those who might not be aware of your history.  I guess pro-Bitcoin zealotry outweighs honesty and ability.
I don't recall a single time I've failed. I've found things that don't work but failure? Hah. I haven't cost anybody anything.

Having an idea, collecting funds to make a go at it and then having to return them all is a failure. Failture does not make you unreliable everyone has failures and those who don't admit to having failed at any point are beyond delusional.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rarity on October 30, 2011, 05:51:00 AM
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MORTY: It's nothing. I got it. So, how are your levels coming along?

KRAMER: Oh, well.. I decided I'm not gonna do it.

JERRY: (Sarcastically) Really? What a shock.

JERRY: So, when do I get my dinner?

KRAMER: There's no dinner. The bet's off. I'm not gonna do it.

JERRY: Yes. I know you're not gonna do it. That's why I bet.

KRAMER: There's no bet if I'm not doing it.

JERRY: That's the bet! That you're not doing it!

KRAMER: Yeah, well, I could do it. I don't want to do it.

JERRY: We didn't bet on if you wanted to. We bet on if it would be done.

KRAMER: And it could be done.

JERRY: Well, of course it could be done! Anything could be done! But it only is done if it's done. Show me the levels! The bet is the levels.

KRAMER: But I don't want the levels!

JERRY: That's the bet!


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: tysat on October 30, 2011, 06:10:20 AM
And letting one of the most reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 
Fixed that for you.

I'd call deleting accounts and changing names a ton of times unreliable.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Giraffe.BTC on October 30, 2011, 06:16:42 AM
I don't recall a single time I've failed. I've found things that don't work but failure? Hah. I haven't cost anybody anything.
Time and again you have proposed projects that you have failed to complete.  Most times you have failed to take any action at all.  Your reputation is nothing but failure.

If someone opens a restaurant but doesn't make any food, that's a failure.  Yes, they could have also robbed people who came in to eat, but that's hardly an accomplishment.  It's sad that you can only defend your reputation by pointing out the times you could have stolen from people, but didn't.  


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rarity on October 30, 2011, 06:25:34 AM
What's truly pathetic is that whatever mental disprder he suffers from makes him actually believe he's not doing anything wrong. Is there a medical term for that, because where I come from we call it "fucktard".

I'm serious. This thread should now be discussing his mental issues. If I'm going to call his parents to complain about his law breaking, scammy activities I want to know what disease he has first so his parents will understand that we also understand.


Maybe he should be diagnosed as a crazy stalker.



wait, that's someone else


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 30, 2011, 06:51:24 AM
http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/King_Drew_Medical_Magnet/images/SmileyPopcorn.gif


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rarity on October 30, 2011, 07:19:13 AM
Heads up-- the parasitic, egomaniacal and otherwise tolerable activities of Atlas have now escalated to fraud, illegal online gambling, gambling by a minor, and tax evasion.

I am fully aware of the child protection act and I am also fully aware this does not protect minors from legal reprecussions for their illegal activities.

I will be contacting Manny's parents directly to discuss with them the annoyance their son has been to the community, the dangers he has opened them up to in a federal level, and his general mental health issues.

I don't expect everyone to support me on this and I'm almost sure many will label me a 'stalker', but as a child psychology and early childhood education major and a member of the foreign affairs division of the South Korean police force I don't see why I need to sit back and pretend this is healthy, much less allow his parents to live in ignorance of his outrageous actions that endanger them daily as his legal guardians.

If you think this is horrible idea, I'll give you to the time it takes me to dig up his legal guardian's cell phone number to give a valid argument against it. Frankly, we're far past "he's just a kid".

This is a horrible idea.  I've been around on the internet long enough to know it's not a good idea to call some 17 year old you stalk online.  This kind of damaging behavior from people like you who think "psychology" gives you the right to meddle in the lives of others as if you really understood them is far too common, all you do is "destroy minds and reduce man to a robotized and drugged state."


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 30, 2011, 07:41:40 AM
This thread was surreal enough without someone channelling L. Ron Hubbard.



Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bitleaker on October 30, 2011, 12:37:46 PM

I don't recall a single time I've failed.
Delusions work like that Atlas. In your eyes, I can believe that you don't recall a single time you have ever failed. In everyone else's eyes, we can all recall many times that you have failed - that is because we are not suffering from the same delusions as you are ;)



Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 30, 2011, 02:27:52 PM
I don't understand why the Bitcoin community embraces scams like Ponzi schemes so enthusiastically.  Crap, theymos had (still has?) a link to a Ponzi scheme in his sig for the longest time.  It's just sad.  And letting one of the least reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 

If you read the rules for Ponzi and still think it's a scam, you're an idiot.  It's a voluntary activity.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 30, 2011, 02:42:10 PM
I still think it's funny that everyone here and on SA, including Matthew, are trying to "change" or "fix" Atlas. Can't be done. You can't change people even if you call their parents. But it's entertaining to watch you all try.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 30, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
Call my parents. I dare you. You could give me no greater pleasure.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Jalum on October 30, 2011, 03:10:41 PM
I will be contacting Manny's parents directly to discuss with them the annoyance their son has been to the community, the dangers he has opened them up to in a federal level, and his general mental health issues.

You're a really creepy guy.  This is an internet slapfight.  Leave it on the internet.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Giraffe.BTC on October 30, 2011, 03:49:59 PM
I don't understand why the Bitcoin community embraces scams like Ponzi schemes so enthusiastically.  Crap, theymos had (still has?) a link to a Ponzi scheme in his sig for the longest time.  It's just sad.  And letting one of the least reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 

If you read the rules for Ponzi and still think it's a scam, you're an idiot.  It's a voluntary activity.
Giving money to Nigerian princes and joining Amway is also voluntary.  That doesn't make either any less of a scam.  Scams that prey on people's natural stupidity and greed don't stop being scams simply because the mark isn't robbed at gunpoint.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 30, 2011, 03:52:48 PM
I don't understand why the Bitcoin community embraces scams like Ponzi schemes so enthusiastically.  Crap, theymos had (still has?) a link to a Ponzi scheme in his sig for the longest time.  It's just sad.  And letting one of the least reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing.  

If you read the rules for Ponzi and still think it's a scam, you're an idiot.  It's a voluntary activity.
Giving money to Nigerian princes and joining Amway is also voluntary.  That doesn't make either any less of a scam.  Scams that prey on people's natural stupidity and greed don't stop being scams simply because the mark isn't robbed at gunpoint.
Nigerian princes promise something that they can't deliver. I don't.
Amway is a perfectly legitimate business by my standards (or at least the concept of Amway -- how they operate is an entirely different matter...).
Some people win, others lose.  Gambling as a whole "preys on people's natural stupidity and greed."  That doesn't make it morally wrong.
I'm tired of arguing with people like you.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 30, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
I don't understand why the Bitcoin community embraces scams like Ponzi schemes so enthusiastically.  Crap, theymos had (still has?) a link to a Ponzi scheme in his sig for the longest time.  It's just sad.  And letting one of the least reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 

If you read the rules for Ponzi and still think it's a scam, you're an idiot.  It's a voluntary activity.
Giving money to Nigerian princes and joining Amway is also voluntary.  That doesn't make either any less of a scam.  Scams that prey on people's natural stupidity and greed don't stop being scams simply because the mark isn't robbed at gunpoint.

So, are you saying slot machines, Black Jack, Roulette, State Lottery, and all other forms of gambling are a scam? In this "ponzi" everyone is aware of what it is and what the chance of payout is. How is this not just a Ponzi style lottery?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 30, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
I don't understand why the Bitcoin community embraces scams like Ponzi schemes so enthusiastically.  Crap, theymos had (still has?) a link to a Ponzi scheme in his sig for the longest time.  It's just sad.  And letting one of the least reliable forum posters run one in the main forum for "charity" is beyond embarrassing. 

If you read the rules for Ponzi and still think it's a scam, you're an idiot.  It's a voluntary activity.
Giving money to Nigerian princes and joining Amway is also voluntary.  That doesn't make either any less of a scam.  Scams that prey on people's natural stupidity and greed don't stop being scams simply because the mark isn't robbed at gunpoint.

So, are you saying slot machines, Black Jack, Roulette, State Lottery, and all other forms of gambling are a scam? In this "ponzi" everyone is aware of what it is and what the chance of payout is. How is this not just a Ponzi style lottery?

+1. You nailed it.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Explodicle on October 30, 2011, 03:57:27 PM
"Mr and Mrs Goldstein! Hello, my name is Matthew, I'm with the South Korean police and I've been reading your son's posts on the internet. DID YOU KNOW your son is unstable and makes all these UNTRUE claims about unrecognized imaginary internet money?

No, I haven't formally opened up a case, I've just been reading these forums on my own time...

Well YES, I am a grown man. Wh...

Now you hold it right there. I MAJORED in child psychology! I can diagnose your kid with...

Hello? Hello? DAMMIT I WILL CALL INTERPOL ON THESE ABUSIVE PARENTS!"


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: johnj on October 30, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
Bitcoins: Free from banks, not from stalkers.

That's creepy as fuck you want to get involved in that dudes personal life, and threatening state intervention is gross.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Giraffe.BTC on October 30, 2011, 04:16:18 PM
Giving money to Nigerian princes and joining Amway is also voluntary.  That doesn't make either any less of a scam.  Scams that prey on people's natural stupidity and greed don't stop being scams simply because the mark isn't robbed at gunpoint.
Nigerian princes promise something that they can't deliver. I don't.
Amway is a perfectly legitimate business by my standards (or at least the concept of Amway -- how they operate is an entirely different matter...).
Some people win, others lose.  Gambling as a whole "preys on people's natural stupidity and greed."  That doesn't make it morally wrong.
I'm tired of arguing with people like you.
Arguing with me is voluntary, therefore you must enjoy it.

The gambling analogy is a good one.  Gambling can be done fairly, but not all gambling is fair.  Let's say I create a game with complicated rules that pays out well at first to draw people in but eventually just takes everyone's money, that is a scam.  But just because that game is unfair doesn't make poker a scam.  See, some things are scams and some things aren't.  Ponzi schemes are scams.  Puppies are not.  Nigerian prince emails are scams.  Hugs from your grandma are not.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 30, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
Giving money to Nigerian princes and joining Amway is also voluntary.  That doesn't make either any less of a scam.  Scams that prey on people's natural stupidity and greed don't stop being scams simply because the mark isn't robbed at gunpoint.
Nigerian princes promise something that they can't deliver. I don't.
Amway is a perfectly legitimate business by my standards (or at least the concept of Amway -- how they operate is an entirely different matter...).
Some people win, others lose.  Gambling as a whole "preys on people's natural stupidity and greed."  That doesn't make it morally wrong.
I'm tired of arguing with people like you.
Arguing with me is voluntary, therefore you must enjoy it.

The gambling analogy is a good one.  Gambling can be done fairly, but not all gambling is fair.  Let's say I create a game with complicated rules that pays out well at first to draw people in but eventually just takes everyone's money, that is a scam.  But just because that game is unfair doesn't make poker a scam.  See, some things are scams and some things aren't.  Ponzi schemes are scams.  Puppies are not.  Nigerian prince emails are scams.  Hugs from your grandma are not.

If you publicly told everyone that your game would pay out more to those who played first, it won't be a scam. Scam implies you are telling people something that is untrue. No one is hiding anything here. Sending money to someone in Nigeria after they tell you they just need money and won't pay you back isn't a scam either.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 30, 2011, 05:20:05 PM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 30, 2011, 05:35:22 PM
You don't see me calling ineedausername a scammer because I could lose nearly 67 BTC at any moment. I am fully aware of what I got into. He has classified nothing about his game.

Ponzi is far from a scam. It's gambling but not a fraudulent scam.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: naypalm on October 30, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
A Charity Ponzi? X that gives X to help a person or organization and Y that screws people out of Y shouldn't be in the same sentence. They cancel each other out!


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Primitive Caveman on October 30, 2011, 05:57:31 PM
I never thought I would see someone defend ponzi schemes like this. Holy shit, you people really don't know anything about economics, do you?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Giraffe.BTC on October 30, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
Funny how you phrase it like that, with a generic statement that applies to every type of gambling and investment.  That's Scamming 101.  "Folks, I can't guarantee you'll get rich on this.  You could technically lose your money.  But that's life:  you've got to spend money to make money!"

Quote from: ineededausername
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.
Full disclosure?  That generic statement is not full disclosure.  Full disclosure in a Ponzi scheme would be maintaining an updated listing of how many people have paid in so far, how many more have to pay in for the previous group to collect and how many MORE will have to pay in for you to collect.  No Ponzi schemes do this because people would stop putting their money once the numbers point to collection being nearly impossible. 

But since you're obviously very interested in running an honest operation, I'm sure you'll want to include this information for people to make an informed decision before joining...


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 30, 2011, 06:28:55 PM
You can already see how many people paid in.  Since you do not realize this, you have obviously not even attempted to take a rational look at my site.  Arguing without knowing what you're talking about makes you look like an idiot.
The other two suggestions you make are actually good ideas, they'd help people make informed decisions.  I'll try to get them implemented soon.  However, you can already calculate these figures from the site's public listings.
Also, I'd like to note that late in a Ponzi game, people are betting that either they'll get the large jackpot or that they'll get paid out because the game will go on for a very long time due to the large jackpot.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rarity on October 30, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
As a public relations expert I would suggest one of the problems you are having is one of perception.  Since you have named your game after a fraudulent and illegal investment scheme associated with criminals such as Bernie Madoff, people are assuming out of ignorance that your game is similar to the fraudulent activities of other individuals.

I would suggest dropping those references from your site and focusing on the BitConduit brand as the name of the game.  You still maintain full disclosure of the rules and payments of course.  I personally believe all pure chance gambling should be illegal, but since like poker this is a game of skill where you interpret the actions of others it is a little less problematic.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 30, 2011, 07:24:43 PM
As a public relations expert I would suggest one of the problems you are having is one of perception.  Since you have named your game after a fraudulent and illegal investment scheme associated with criminals such as Bernie Madoff, people are assuming out of ignorance that your game is similar to the fraudulent activities of other individuals.

I would suggest dropping those references from your site and focusing on the BitConduit brand as the name of the game.  You still maintain full disclosure of the rules and payments of course.

Just realized that "Ponzi" is mentioned in the Rules.  I've tried to keep the use of the term to unofficial discussions, but not in advertising and webpages.  Thanks for the tip.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Explodicle on October 30, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
I personally believe all pure chance gambling should be illegal, but since like poker this is a game of skill where you interpret the actions of others it is a little less problematic.

If only pure chance games were illegal, would people just add some teensy unimportant skill element to otherwise pure chance games?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Primitive Caveman on October 30, 2011, 08:23:44 PM
As a public relations expert I would suggest one of the problems you are having is one of perception.  Since you have named your game after a fraudulent and illegal investment scheme associated with criminals such as Bernie Madoff, people are assuming out of ignorance that your game is similar to the fraudulent activities of other individuals.

I would suggest dropping those references from your site and focusing on the BitConduit brand as the name of the game.  You still maintain full disclosure of the rules and payments of course.

Just realized that "Ponzi" is mentioned in the Rules.  I've tried to keep the use of the term to unofficial discussions, but not in advertising and webpages.  Thanks for the tip.

Which is why the gif in your signature advertising your scheme has Ponzi in it. Right.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 30, 2011, 08:40:27 PM
I personally believe all pure chance gambling should be illegal, but since like poker this is a game of skill where you interpret the actions of others it is a little less problematic.

If only pure chance games were illegal, would people just add some teensy unimportant skill element to otherwise pure chance games?

By law competition organisers used to have to do this here so that it didn't compete with state run lotteries.  They usually required you to answer a question in addition to submitting your tokens/coupons/whatever.  One state used to have a law which stated that you couldn't require a purchase in order for someone to enter a competition so people from that state got one free entry.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 12:40:09 AM
I sent Matthew my parent's phone number. Heh.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 12:40:38 AM
This thread needs to be [CLOSED - due to lack of rationality].

We'll have 4 channers here before the week is out at this rate.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 12:54:11 AM
Bitcoinduit is just as illegal as playing Monopoly.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 12:56:02 AM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.

If things were as easy as that, then why are numbers rackets illegal?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 12:57:49 AM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.

If things were as easy as that, then why are numbers rackets illegal?
It inhibits the state's ability to collect their share. They rather see the poor spending money on booze and paying a sales tax than have them gamble it away. In addition, they want a monopoly on their "official" lotteries.

Anyways, in general, it's for the same reasons that harmless drugs and victimless crimes are made illegal. The state has never made law on what's right. They make law to sustain and grow themselves along with their true constituents.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 01:01:23 AM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.

If things were as easy as that, then why are numbers rackets illegal?
It inhibits the state's ability to collect their share. They rather see the poor spending money on booze and paying a sales tax than have them gamble it away. In addition, they want a monopoly on their "official" lotteries.

Anyways, in general, it's for the same reasons that harmless drugs and victimless crimes are made illegal.

So do you pay income tax on your ponzi winnings?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 01:03:09 AM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.

If things were as easy as that, then why are numbers rackets illegal?
It inhibits the state's ability to collect their share. They rather see the poor spending money on booze and paying a sales tax than have them gamble it away. In addition, they want a monopoly on their "official" lotteries.

Anyways, in general, it's for the same reasons that harmless drugs and victimless crimes are made illegal.

So do you pay income tax on your ponzi winnings?

I'll tell you when you scan and upload a copy of your tax filings.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 01:05:03 AM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.

If things were as easy as that, then why are numbers rackets illegal?
It inhibits the state's ability to collect their share. They rather see the poor spending money on booze and paying a sales tax than have them gamble it away. In addition, they want a monopoly on their "official" lotteries.

Anyways, in general, it's for the same reasons that harmless drugs and victimless crimes are made illegal.

So do you pay income tax on your ponzi winnings?

I'll tell you when you scan and upload a copy of your tax filings.

So you speak German now?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bulanula on October 31, 2011, 01:07:08 AM
Yeah, I publicly admit that people LOSE MONEY ON PONZI.  They can also win.
This full disclosure makes ponzi NOT A SCAM.

If things were as easy as that, then why are numbers rackets illegal?
It inhibits the state's ability to collect their share. They rather see the poor spending money on booze and paying a sales tax than have them gamble it away. In addition, they want a monopoly on their "official" lotteries.

Anyways, in general, it's for the same reasons that harmless drugs and victimless crimes are made illegal.

Keep talking Atlas. I'm sure your parents will love to hear your total disregard for the law due to your personal disagreement with it.

If anyone else has any information from the ridiculously long list of hypocrisy that is Atlas, please PM. I'll be recording the call for evidence of child endangerment in the event his parents turn out to be the nutty ones making him this way.

Do you have jurisdiction over his country since you are in South Korea ? Honestly, are you hoping to get him into foster care as his parents are not up to the task ? LOL. Take a chill pill mate.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 01:15:55 AM
You may want to call them now, Matthew. It's getting a bit late.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 02:51:04 AM
You may want to call them now, Matthew. It's getting a bit late.

No rush. Plenty of illegal activity to collect evidence of before bothering. Stop sweating and keep blabbing.

Dude, grow up. This is getting pathetic, and you are getting down to his level, if not way lower.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bitleaker on October 31, 2011, 03:02:54 AM
No, please keep this up. This is highly entertaining. Both of you seem willing to entertain, so let the entertainment commence :)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 03:27:44 AM
You may want to call them now, Matthew. It's getting a bit late.

No rush. Plenty of illegal activity to collect evidence of before bothering. Stop sweating and keep blabbing.

Dude, grow up. This is getting pathetic, and you are getting down to his level, if not way lower.

Heh. We're all friends here even though some may disagree.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 03:28:25 AM
I thought it was entertaining, until it got sad and pathetic.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 03:44:54 AM
...lie, cheat, steal and break the law...

For the record, I have committed none of these things and my strawman is not listed as Immanuel Ortega.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 03:46:05 AM
You may want to call them now, Matthew. It's getting a bit late.

No rush. Plenty of illegal activity to collect evidence of before bothering. Stop sweating and keep blabbing.

Dude, grow up. This is getting pathetic, and you are getting down to his level, if not way lower.

What makes you think this takes any effort on my part? This is what I do for a living. Just as it's Atlas 'right' to lie, cheat, steal and break the law, it's everyone's right (if not duty) to do something about it. Your inaction is your choice. Anyone who actually cares about Immanuel Ortega will do their part to protect him by alerting his family of his obvious mental health issues.

If it turns out they are responsible for his beliefs and misguided anti-social behavior, I'll have plenty to say to them.

Yep. Because the BEST way to fix things or convince people of things is to tell them "You are wrong!" and "You fucked up!" I though you were a psychology major? Or did you literally mean just a major and not a graduate?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 03:46:38 AM
I thought it was entertaining, until it got sad and pathetic.
Everything you said on something awful and your thoroughly backed up forum history is being fine tooth combed. Try to resist saying anything else until we're done as it's time consuming to track every illegal and questionable action with such a small amount of volunteers.

This is just getting creepy. Heh.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 03:50:54 AM
How Atlas was allowed to continue on with his suicide threats is beyond me.

I thought you said you were a psych major? You should know that NO ONE who threatens suicide actually ever does it, and those who do feel so alone they never tell anyone. That's practically psych 101. At most he's guilty of being an attention whore  ::)

Oh, also, totally sucks that SA locked their Bitcoin threat to be private only. I didn't even know they talked about me on there till recently.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 03:56:25 AM
If anything, Matthew, you are on your way to being sued for defamation. I've never threatened suicide on here.

However, I was suicidal at some points in my life. I won't deny that but to classify that as threats is slander. I have every damn right to express my feelings as they are.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Primitive Caveman on October 31, 2011, 04:19:39 AM
Surprised no one else jumped on this, but:

Bitcoinduit is just as illegal as playing Monopoly.

You just admitted that Bitcoin is play money.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: ineededausername on October 31, 2011, 04:22:52 AM
Surprised no one else jumped on this, but:

Bitcoinduit is just as illegal as playing Monopoly.

You just admitted that Bitcoin is play money.

There you go, misinterpreting his post, moving the goalposts and contradicting your own previous statements.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bitleaker on October 31, 2011, 04:37:55 AM
So Atlas is going to pay bitcoins for a bit-lawyer to bit-sue a bit-troll and put the bit-troll in bit-prison for bit-slander? Ahahahaha...

Sued for defamation of character? Ahahahaha. Nobody is more guilty of defamation of your character than your good self Atlas.

Are you going to contact Interpol and get Matthew returned to the US for calling a spade a spade? How is your understanding of the Korean legal system? ;D

[edit] Just for the record, I find Matthew creepy as fuck. Carry on. :)



Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Maged on October 31, 2011, 04:39:21 AM
If anything, Matthew, you are on your way to being sued for defamation. I've never threatened suicide on here.

However, I was suicidal at some points in my life. I won't deny that but to classify that as threats is slander. I have every damn right to express my feelings as they are.

Someone's getting nervous about the phone call. No one else who has been a member of this forum for more than 6 months could possibly forget your weekly suicide thread.

Your understanding of laws is more or less equal to your understanding of everything else. Care to give your definition of slander for the rest of our amusement?
Huh? You sure that you have the right person? The authorities would have been contacted if I had seen that, since I happen to have all of Atlas' information.

You should seriously consider dropping that point. Suicide is too touchy of a subject to remind someone of, especially if they've gotten over it.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: johnj on October 31, 2011, 04:54:01 AM
So Atlas is going to pay bitcoins for a bit-lawyer to bit-sue a bit-troll and put the bit-troll in bit-prison for bit-slander? Ahahahaha...

Sued for defamation of character? Ahahahaha. Nobody is more guilty of defamation of your character than your good self Atlas.

Are you going to contact Interpol and get Matthew returned to the US for calling a spade a spade? How is your understanding of the Korean legal system? ;D





It's all part of his glaring hypocritic mindset. Although I certainly don't condone slander, he has no idea that no lawyer in the world would take his case given his post history, my legal immigration status, the obvious publicly accessible records to back my statements, not to mention that in order to be prosecuted for libel, his lawyer would need to prove first that I was not under the belief the statements were true e.g. I would have to have purposely and knowingly lied. He also keeps forgetting he is a minor. Minors don't sue-- their parents do. I know you can't stand following the law, but even in your delusional world surely you accept that you're only 17 and not quite yet a randian super hero.


I wonder how long it will take Atlas to break down and beg me not to tattle on him.

Ahh yes, the man who by his own words is picking on a mentally unstable youth.  So big, so brave.

Honestly, do you have anything better to do?  Or do you go the extra mile to demonstrate how much of a douche you are?

You know what, you don't gotta answer.

I already know   ;D


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Primitive Caveman on October 31, 2011, 05:19:07 AM
Surprised no one else jumped on this, but:

Bitcoinduit is just as illegal as playing Monopoly.

You just admitted that Bitcoin is play money.

There you go, misinterpreting his post, moving the goalposts and contradicting your own previous statements.

How's that? Tell me how I've misinterpreted the post. Explain how Atlas saying bitconduit is just as legal as monopoly (a board game where nothing of actual value is at stake, and you use a fake currency) can be construed any other way except that bitcoins do not count as real money. Or do you consider monopoly money to be a real form of currency?

Also, what goal posts did I move? How did I contradict myself? Did you even quote the right person?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: johnj on October 31, 2011, 06:04:47 AM
Holy fucking shit Matthew, what the hell is wrong with you.  Just drop this shit.  Take your own advice,

That is enough of the childish posting




Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 07:19:30 AM


Oh, also, totally sucks that SA locked their Bitcoin threat to be private only. I didn't even know they talked about me on there till recently.

They lock the forums about once a month in an attempt to get people to register.  It will be open again soon.

And holy shit.  I come back from work and this thread has really gone down the rabbit hole.

FFS Matthew, take a break from obsessing about Atlas and go prepare some tough questions for your interview with MagicalTux.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 10:37:08 AM


FFS Matthew, take a break from obsessing about Atlas and go prepare some tough questions for your interview with MagicalTux.

Can I obsess about Atlas after I do my Tuxwork? Plllleeeeease?

I doubt that me or anyone else saying "no" would make the slightest bit of difference to whether or not you're going to continue obsessing over Atlas.  Whether you want to rescue him, punish him or a bit of both, this is one drama I suspect is going to play out to an inevitably bitter end.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 11:11:31 AM
Wow. I'm all for having drama for drama's sake. But this is getting wayyyyyyy to far into obsessive stalker territory. And I say this as a goon, an anon and a bernd (so i'm not exactly one of the "nice guys" on the net).

If you were doing this to Atlas in real life, Matthew, he could get a restraining order against you faster than you could say "Ohay guys, what's with the handcuffs?"


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 11:39:21 AM
Wow. I'm all for having drama for drama's sake. But this is getting wayyyyyyy to far into obsessive stalker territory. And I say this a goon, an anon and a bernd (so i'm not exactly one of the "nice guys" on the net).

I've seen way more internet detecting and doxing of fellow members here than I've ever seen on SA, to be honest. 


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 11:55:01 AM
Wow. I'm all for having drama for drama's sake. But this is getting wayyyyyyy to far into obsessive stalker territory. And I say this a goon, an anon and a bernd (so i'm not exactly one of the "nice guys" on the net).

I've seen way more internet detecting and doxing of fellow members here than I've ever seen on SA, to be honest. 

It was way worse in the early days on SA. I'm an original '01 and we were Matthew-style creepy back then, with what people found out about and did to other people. We've become much more civilized since then.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 12:03:40 PM
Teach me. I want to learn to fashion tools. These rocks suck and I keep chipping my nails.

Okay. Lesson 1: Stop bothering people IRL.

There is no lesson 2.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 12:06:34 PM
Teach me. I want to learn to fashion tools. These rocks suck and I keep chipping my nails.

Why on earth aren't you asking 4 chan if you're a channer?  They're still into internet detection, doxing people and harassing them in real life.  They'd probably track down whatever you wanted to know just for shit and giggles.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Explodicle on October 31, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
Matthew, since this is what you do for a living, please post your supervisor's phone number.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Explodicle on October 31, 2011, 01:25:06 PM
Matthew, since this is what you do for a living, please post your supervisor's phone number.

What would be hilarious is if I responded with Atlas's phone number.


lol I'm glad you take this as seriously as I do ;)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 02:12:16 PM
Am I the only one who finds Matthew's almost romantic ("I care about his well being so much!") obsession with Atlas to be creepier than Bruce's (alleged) obsession with Thai boys? (Or my obsession with naked Chester pics on coffee tables?)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
Matthew, I'll give you one final chance before you embarrass yourself.

I haven't aggressed against nor defrauded a single individual. You have nothing on me. I am absolutely spotless. However, what you are doing here can only tarnish your record.

Feel free to reconsider your decisions and plans at any time. You can't hurt me but you can certainly hurt yourself.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Maged on October 31, 2011, 03:23:28 PM
You two are just making it worse for the both of you. Have you considered calling each other to resolve this?

Matthew, what you're doing in this thread is a low blow. You are already aware of my opinion about it.

Atlas, Matthew seems like a nice person, and since he's giving his time away to you so freely, you should consider taking advantage of his free counseling when he calls you. Otherwise, try finding someone in real life to help you out. You need to get out of this state of denial.

This post does not represent the opinion of the moderation staff of Bitcointalk.org.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 03:24:19 PM
Am I the only one who finds Matthew's almost romantic ("I care about his well being so much!") obsession with Atlas to be creepier than Bruce's (alleged) obsession with Thai boys? (Or my obsession with naked Chester pics on coffee tables?)
It's not even as complicated as all that. He's just the biggest windmill atm and I'm a professional and extremely convincing troll.

Just be glad I'm not on you, because for a guy who jacks off to animals you're hardly a challenge.

Considering you can't call my parents, I beg to differ  ;D

Also, bonus points for Don Quixote reference.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 03:26:17 PM
You two are just making it worse for the both of you. Have you considered calling each other to resolve this?

Matthew, what you're doing in this thread is a low blow. You are already aware of my opinion about it.

Atlas, Matthew seems like a nice person, and since he's giving his time away to you so freely, you should consider taking advantage of his free counseling when he calls you. Otherwise, try finding someone in real life to help you out. You need to get out of this state of denial.

This post does not represent the opinion of the moderation staff of Bitcointalk.org.

Maged, you're wrong.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bitleaker on October 31, 2011, 05:28:29 PM
You two are just making it worse for the both of you. Have you considered calling each other to resolve this?

Matthew, what you're doing in this thread is a low blow. You are already aware of my opinion about it.

Atlas, Matthew seems like a nice person, and since he's giving his time away to you so freely, you should consider taking advantage of his free counseling when he calls you. Otherwise, try finding someone in real life to help you out. You need to get out of this state of denial.

This post does not represent the opinion of the moderation staff of Bitcointalk.org.

Maged, you're wrong.

Denial Detected


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 05:40:13 PM
You two are just making it worse for the both of you. Have you considered calling each other to resolve this?

Matthew, what you're doing in this thread is a low blow. You are already aware of my opinion about it.

Atlas, Matthew seems like a nice person, and since he's giving his time away to you so freely, you should consider taking advantage of his free counseling when he calls you. Otherwise, try finding someone in real life to help you out. You need to get out of this state of denial.

This post does not represent the opinion of the moderation staff of Bitcointalk.org.

Maged, you're wrong.

Denial Detected
Show me one victim of my purported crimes.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 05:45:00 PM
You two are just making it worse for the both of you. Have you considered calling each other to resolve this?

Matthew, what you're doing in this thread is a low blow. You are already aware of my opinion about it.

Atlas, Matthew seems like a nice person, and since he's giving his time away to you so freely, you should consider taking advantage of his free counseling when he calls you. Otherwise, try finding someone in real life to help you out. You need to get out of this state of denial.

This post does not represent the opinion of the moderation staff of Bitcointalk.org.

Maged, you're wrong.

Denial Detected

Considering ones mental state is VERY subjective, I'll say you're both wrong. And insane.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bitleaker on October 31, 2011, 05:56:40 PM

Show me one victim of my purported crimes.
It depends how you class victim. You could say that the person who had to jump through hoops to get their refund after donating BTC to one of your failed projects was a victim. You could say that the person who won your 'Win 100BTC No Questions Asked' thread was a victim when you refused to pay them and you closed the thread. You could say anyone who has wasted time working with you on your many projects are victims, sucked in by your 'vision'.

Asking me for 'proof of victims' without commenting about your denial also adds weight to the proof that you are in total denial. Think about it ;)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 06:01:46 PM

Show me one victim of my purported crimes.
It depends how you class victim. You could say that the person who had to jump through hoops to get their refund after donating BTC to one of your failed projects was a victim. You could say that the person who won your 'Win 100BTC No Questions Asked' thread was a victim when you refused to pay them and you closed the thread. You could say anyone who has wasted time working with you on your many projects are victims, sucked in by your 'vision'.

Asking me for 'proof of victims' without commenting about your denial also adds weight to the proof that you are in total denial. Think about it ;)
They didn't jump through any hoops. They didn't even bother to send me an email. All they did was call for my attention by making new threads. That is not how you ask for a refund. I refunded him immediately once I happened to catch the mess he was making. I was the victim. He falsely tarnished my reputation. He made it look like he had personally contacted me for a refund when he had not.

Nobody won that thread. So moot point.

Nobody has committed to working with me on one of my projects.

No victims.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 06:14:10 PM
I'm a victim. I'm still waiting for that BTC you owe me for that "Whoever posts last" thread where you kept changing the rules in retrospect so you wouldn't have to pay out.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 31, 2011, 06:15:40 PM
I'm a victim. I'm still waiting for that BTC you owe me for that "Whoever posts last" thread where you kept changing the rules in retrospect so you wouldn't have to pay out.
Semantic loopholes are disingenuous. You're no victim. You're just a conniving fraud.

No victims.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on October 31, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
I'm a victim. I'm still waiting for that BTC you owe me for that "Whoever posts last" thread where you kept changing the rules in retrospect so you wouldn't have to pay out.
Semantic loopholes are disingenuous. You're no victim. You're just a conniving fraud.

So I've officially been recognized as a Bitcoiner.   :D


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: beckspace on October 31, 2011, 06:41:32 PM
Similarities are mere coincidence:

Monty Python - The Argument Sketch - Live at the Hollywood Bowl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL9oA1LFoMw)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on October 31, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrQq6yc_2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrQq6yc_2w)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Danzou on October 31, 2011, 08:15:35 PM
No victims.
No victims.
Maybe try 64 point font and italics next time, it'll make it even more real to you.

I don't think you're as bad as many would imply, and certainly don't deserve Matthew Wright's creepy ass stalking. But Atlas, you made up a fake backstory as a horse trader for your I. Goldstein account. That was a lie, intended to obscure the facts from people about the risks in investing with you. You probably would have many victims of this dishonest practice if you weren't always called out every time you make a thread.

You're just a kid with some dumb ideas about business and naivetee about economics. You're not a monster and you aren't victimizing anybody.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: JeffK on October 31, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
I'm a victim. I'm still waiting for that BTC you owe me for that "Whoever posts last" thread where you kept changing the rules in retrospect so you wouldn't have to pay out.
Semantic loopholes are disingenuous. You're no victim. You're just a conniving fraud.

So I've officially been recognized as a Bitcoiner.   :D

holy shit lol


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 08:42:03 PM
Can you guys hurry up and post the next round of this internet bitch fight?  I have to go to work in a couple of hours and I need my morning drama fix before I leave.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 31, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
Can you guys hurry up and post the next round of this internet bitch fight?  I have to go to work in a couple of hours and I need my morning drama fix before I leave.

Bump. Only an hour and forty-five minutes before repentance has to go to work. Help a fellow BT'er.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 09:13:36 PM
Can you guys hurry up and post the next round of this internet bitch fight?  I have to go to work in a couple of hours and I need my morning drama fix before I leave.

Bump. Only an hour and forty-five minutes before repentance has to go to work. Help a fellow BT'er.


Let me try...

WHO CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE ATLAS ALONE?!!

If you keep bullying him, I'M JUST GONNA KILL MYSELF!!! And then I'll kill all you too! That'll show you!


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 09:15:28 PM
Can you guys hurry up and post the next round of this internet bitch fight?  I have to go to work in a couple of hours and I need my morning drama fix before I leave.

Bump. Only an hour and forty-five minutes before repentance has to go to work. Help a fellow BT'er.


Let me try...

WHO CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE ATLAS ALONE?!!

If you keep bullying him, I'M JUST GONNA KILL MYSELF!!! And then I'll kill all you too! That'll show you!

There's nothing like a typo in 18 point red.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 09:19:22 PM
LOL! Your welcome  ;D


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 31, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
Can you guys hurry up and post the next round of this internet bitch fight?  I have to go to work in a couple of hours and I need my morning drama fix before I leave.

Bump. Only an hour and forty-five minutes before repentance has to go to work. Help a fellow BT'er.


Let me try...

WHO CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE ATLAS ALONE?!!

If you keep bullying him, I'M JUST GONNA KILL MYSELF!!! And then I'll kill all you too! That'll show you!

There's nothing like a typo in 18 point red.

Note to self: Remember to don't hump my new coffee table and type at the same time.  ;)


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Rassah on October 31, 2011, 09:59:47 PM
Note to self: Remember to don't hump my new coffee table and type at the same time.  ;)


Nah, i'm just typing all of this on my android tablet, and sometimes the autocorrect gets wonky.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Primitive Caveman on October 31, 2011, 10:17:20 PM
I like how Atlas still doesn't understand why people had problems with him hijacking other people's computers to mine bitcoins with his website (an idea he's now recycled and is offering it to other people as a "revolutionary idea.")

He wants victims? There were plenty there. Just because the amount stolen from others was miniscule doesn't mean it wasn't a crime. Guess the word "principle" doesn't exist in whatever idiot dictionary he uses to make himself look smart.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 10:23:53 PM
I like how Atlas still doesn't understand why people had problems with him hijacking other people's computers to mine bitcoins with his website (an idea he's now recycled and is offering it to other people as a "revolutionary idea.")

You're making the mistake of assuming that Atlas doesn't understand the arguments people have been making about forced mining.  He understands them - he just doesn't agree with them.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on October 31, 2011, 10:52:46 PM
I'm leaving for work in 10 minutes.  I fully expect to come home to the mother of all internet bitch fights and I'm going to be really pissed of if you guys drop the ball on this.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: RandyFolds on November 01, 2011, 12:30:16 AM
Goddamn this thread is so full of hilarious I just about got a nosebleed reading it.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2011, 02:16:42 AM
Goddamn this thread is so full of hilarious I just about got a nosebleed reading it.

I say we dig some shit up on repentance to make him a happy camper when he gets home from work. I'm sure there's a nugget or two in his 462 posts, coupled with a little Google Gold Mining, to make get what he wishes for.  ;)

Boy, this is weird. It looks like our friend, repentance, is a religious fanatic: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/search.php?s=937dc325a755162457d6f38c25a8ccec&do=finduser&u=14697



Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: JeffK on November 01, 2011, 02:31:58 AM

Boy, this is weird. It looks like our friend, repentance, is a religious fanatic: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/search.php?s=937dc325a755162457d6f38c25a8ccec&do=finduser&u=14697



I'd rather bet the concept of "repentance" is one common to all religions, and him picking a dictionary word makes it 99.99999% likely (estimate) he isn't the only one on the net.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2011, 02:41:11 AM

Boy, this is weird. It looks like our friend, repentance, is a religious fanatic: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/search.php?s=937dc325a755162457d6f38c25a8ccec&do=finduser&u=14697



I'd rather bet the concept of "repentance" is one common to all religions, and him picking a dictionary word makes it 99.99999% likely (estimate) he isn't the only one on the net.

I truly knew that, but wanted to have some fun at repentance's expense, nonetheless. It was the best thing I could did up in short notice. I had a 50/50 chance of it being the same guy.

This repentance guy is a slick one. Picking a dictionary word to cover his online presence is genius. I'm even willing to bet he enjoys a relatively normal life.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: JeffK on November 01, 2011, 02:42:45 AM

I truly knew that, but wanted to have some fun at repentance's expense, nonetheless. It was the best thing I could did up in short notice. I had a 50/50 chance of it being the same guy.

This repentance guy is a slick one. Picking a dictionary word to cover his online presence is genius. I'm even willing to bet he enjoys a relatively normal life.


lol


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: JeffK on November 01, 2011, 02:49:42 AM

Boy, this is weird. It looks like our friend, repentance, is a religious fanatic: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/search.php?s=937dc325a755162457d6f38c25a8ccec&do=finduser&u=14697



I'd rather bet the concept of "repentance" is one common to all religions, and him picking a dictionary word makes it 99.99999% likely (estimate) he isn't the only one on the net.

I truly knew that, but wanted to have some fun at repentance's expense, nonetheless. It was the best thing I could did up in short notice. I had a 50/50 chance of it being the same guy.

This repentance guy is a slick one. Picking a dictionary word to cover his online presence is genius. I'm even willing to bet he enjoys a relatively normal life.

You clearly don't understand these forums yet.

He at least knows how to do Bitcoin-style statistics


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2011, 03:15:48 AM

Boy, this is weird. It looks like our friend, repentance, is a religious fanatic: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/search.php?s=937dc325a755162457d6f38c25a8ccec&do=finduser&u=14697



I'd rather bet the concept of "repentance" is one common to all religions, and him picking a dictionary word makes it 99.99999% likely (estimate) he isn't the only one on the net.

I truly knew that, but wanted to have some fun at repentance's expense, nonetheless. It was the best thing I could did up in short notice. I had a 50/50 chance of it being the same guy.

This repentance guy is a slick one. Picking a dictionary word to cover his online presence is genius. I'm even willing to bet he enjoys a relatively normal life.

You clearly don't understand these forums yet.

He at least knows how to do Bitcoin-style statistics

In all fairness, I have had a poor grasp of mathematics long before Bitcoin.

You mean you fall somewhere near the mean?

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He at least knows how to do Bitcoin-style statistics

I just got the joke, JeffK.



Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Exonumia on November 01, 2011, 05:49:53 AM
Is Atlas really Mathew? I imagine him sitting there fighting with himself under 2 different personas.... or is it just me?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: TheBible on November 01, 2011, 05:52:28 AM
Haven't seen a good nerd fight in a long time.

Atlas, you're a thief, you basically admitted it in the SA thread, but handwaved it away by dismissing the low value of your theft.  It isn't the value of what you stole that matters, its the violation of trust that makes a thief untrustworthy.  People cannot give you money in good faith, because you have shown that it is in your moral center to take what does not belong to you. Besides, you didn't set out to steal "only a little", you set out to take as much as you could, but got called on it before that amounted to anything serious. The fact remains, you took that which does not belong to you. It's the same as picking their pocket and justifying it because they only had a penny. That you either can't admit what you did was wrong, or that you honestly don't believe it was wrong, only serves to show exactly why you can't be trusted.  

You're also a liar.  You claim to have never stolen, but you did steal with that javascript miner.  You claim to have never lied, but you lied about your scores in that robot competition hoping to get some donations.  I don't buy your story that you didn't see the scores at the competition for a second, and even if that is true, it still means you just made up those numbers on the spot.  This is behavior you're going to need to stamp out when you enter the real world.  You don't have value because you declare you do, when you leave the protection and safety of your parents, people are going to expect results when they hire you.

Also, you really need to check your terms in a dictionary.  Nothing makes someone look dumber than attempting to use big words to sound intelligent, and then using them incorrectly.  And you do, often.

You're still just a kid, I wasn't particularly enlightened at your age either, and you'll most likely grow out of it as you enter a world where you really do need to take care of yourself, and can't rely on parents for food, shelter, clothing, and entertainment.

Matthew.  Stop this trainwreck.  You're a grown-ass man in an internet slapfight with a teenager.  That's just sad.  Don't call his mom, stop following his every move, no one here trusts him or takes him seriously anyway, it really isn't a big deal. Let it go, you'll be a lot happier.  This is good life advice in general. Bitcoin won't fall solely because of Atlas' inability to follow through on a single project.  That's your free market weeding him out, alright?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: rainingbitcoins on November 01, 2011, 06:16:59 AM
Quote from: TheBible
You claim to have never lied, but you lied about your scores in that robot competition hoping to get some donations.

Don't forget his claims of being a 70-year-old horse trader with a keen interest in Bitcoin. Which I still can't think about without laughing for several minutes.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: bitleaker on November 01, 2011, 11:38:37 AM
Atlas has an account on the Cheating Network called Amiath.

He recently posted this advice (http://cheatingnetwork.net/forums/chit-chat/96363-dick-problem-paypal.html#post861515) regarding another poster being found out for using a fake ssn for their paypal account:

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Make a real account (or another fake one but this time without the SSN), transfer the money to that account

Or photoshop a drivers license with your ssn/info stuff you put on there and send it to them. It may work, but could land you in even more trouble if it doesn't work.

Concerning another poster being sent a TV instead of a pair of headphones (http://cheatingnetwork.net/forums/chit-chat/96245-buy-item-user-sent-different-item-accident.html#post860992):

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I'd say wait it out and see if the seller contacts you. If he doesn't, you're not legally required to return it. He probably will end up noticing though after some poor sap who bought a tv complains about receiving headphones.

He sure comes across like an unscrupulous scammer.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2011, 03:32:28 PM
Atlas has an account on the Cheating Network called Amiath.

He recently posted this advice (http://cheatingnetwork.net/forums/chit-chat/96363-dick-problem-paypal.html#post861515) regarding another poster being found out for using a fake ssn for their paypal account:

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Make a real account (or another fake one but this time without the SSN), transfer the money to that account

Or photoshop a drivers license with your ssn/info stuff you put on there and send it to them. It may work, but could land you in even more trouble if it doesn't work.

Concerning another poster being sent a TV instead of a pair of headphones (http://cheatingnetwork.net/forums/chit-chat/96245-buy-item-user-sent-different-item-accident.html#post860992):

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I'd say wait it out and see if the seller contacts you. If he doesn't, you're not legally required to return it. He probably will end up noticing though after some poor sap who bought a tv complains about receiving headphones.

He sure comes across like an unscrupulous scammer.

WTF!!! http://cheatingnetwork.net/forums/chit-chat/96205-post-your-gender-now-boy-girl.html#post860742

http://cheatingnetwork.net/forums/avatars/amiath.gif?dateline=1318970508


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: repentance on November 01, 2011, 07:25:41 PM
n/m

See poetry thread.




Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Explodicle on November 03, 2011, 04:37:42 PM
Just call his goddamn parents or not. You're bordering on blackmail now.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: greyhawk on November 04, 2011, 12:21:10 AM
Can we get you banned for racism now?


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: BitMagic on November 04, 2011, 12:35:59 AM
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I'd say wait it out and see if the seller contacts you. If he doesn't, you're not legally required to return it. He probably will end up noticing though after some poor sap who bought a tv complains about receiving headphones.

He sure comes across like an unscrupulous scammer.

Most states in the U.S. have a statute (http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXV/Chapter93/Section43) that protects the receiver of unsolicited products from returning them. I am not sure if a mistaken order counts as "unsolicited," but I bet you could make a pretty damn good case that it is. Don't send the wrong merchandise.


Title: Re: I.Goldstein's charity ponzi
Post by: Maged on November 04, 2011, 04:43:26 AM
Can we get you banned for racism now?
Why are you asking me? I'm not a mod.

Maged: Can I be banned for replying to a blackmail claim with the fact that I'm white?

No, racism isn't against forum policy. Of course, the caveat about that is that significant trolling is bannable, and racism is likely to have a large overlap with trolling.