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I received negative trust for an opinion by a legendary member.  Is this allowed on the forum?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1053331

Yep. Everyone is allowed to give ratings, whether they are credible or not.

If you think Vod is hereby abusing his DT powers, (default trust), you can open up a thread in Reputation, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0

Which if considered valid by the "community/admins" (not entirely sure how it works), could remove him from DT1(?) and thus essentially voiding the effect of his rating.

(Although i doubt this is going to happen, looking at Vod's vast track record.)

EDIT: not sure what shitstorm this is going to create.  :-\

Thanks for the advice.  I will give it a shot and hope the evidence speaks for itself.

Thanks again for the help I really appreciate it. 

Vod has negged notbatman, the OP of the Flat Earth thread. That caused some butthurt but the feedback remains and Vod is still in DT so I'd say joerogers8's chances are very slim. Posting stupid shit in Serious Discussion doesn't make it any less stupid.

What shitstorm?  

If the OP believes the earth is flat, he is incapable of reasonable thought and should not be trusted.
If he doesn't, he is a troll and (more relevant) a liar and should not be trusted.

It is not an "opinion" that the earth is flat.

Don't you think you are breaking the below rule by your Post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035030.0)


You can follow AdolfinWolf suggestions, but I will say  talk to Vod before about it and ask him what behavior might get it removed.

One of the Vod quote from the topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=887515.0

I don't agree with that statement.  The ability to think critically or rationally isn't inherently tied to one's trustworthiness, in my not so humble opinion.

Of course the earth is round, more than 7000 years old, and orbits the sun.  I know all these things, but a lot of people choose to argue these facts due to their spiritual beliefs, lack of knowledge, or learning disabilities.  I don't think that automatically makes them untrustworthy.

Some people are born into families that encourage education; others are against it. Some are born into flourishing economies encouraging of entrepreneurship; others are born into war and destitution. Realize that not all success is due to hard work, and not all poverty is due to laziness. Keep this in mind when judging people, including yourself.

Whether or not the earth is flat is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that joe got a red flag because of an opinion.

It is not an opinion that the earth is flat any more than it is the opinion that the moon is made of cheese.  :/

The english dictionary disagrees.
It is most certainly an opinion.

You posted this  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035030)in Serious Discussion of all places. It should immediately be moved to Off-Topic.

It's pretty much a clear cut case of trolling in my book. Not that my book has much authority in these matters.

Can you have an opinion against something factual?

Is my opinion really an opinion if I claim tiny trolls are holding us down so we don't fly off the earth?

Yes.
That's why it's an opinion and not a fact.
If you opinion means jack shit it doesn't change the fact that it's an opinion.

Well, I disagree.   :(

I believe you cannot have an opinion that the sun emits purple light.

Opinions should have something to base the opinion on...

I'm curious why did you pick exactly 7000? Likely missing a few 0s' at the end.  ::)

On topic, this is how i see things lol
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/253/818/086.jpg
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/253/818/086.jpg

Oh, wait...dinosaurs?  :D

@OP

That thread and your post why you got tagged  are the biggest shit i have seen the last weeks and there was a few from some Merit beggers here  !  


 :o  :o  :o

To disrespect the Abrahamic faiths because he is a heathen.

God made the world 7,000 years ago, but I will concede that He made it round.

As much as I respect Vod--and I respect him a great deal--I think he probably shouldn't have left that feedback for the reason he gave. 

Obviously joerogers8 is delusional if he thinks the Earth is flat, but I think his views on that are only loosely related to trust on bitcointalk.  There are a lot of folks who hold some very strange ideas, including religious people.  You could argue that Christians, Muslims, and Jews live their lives based on a book of fairy tales, but would I give them a neg on the forum?  No, not at all.

However, Vod is entitled to his opinion and is free to give a neg to whoever he deems worthy of one.  He's also the only one who can remove it, so this is an issue between joerogers8 and Vod.  We can all give our opinion on it, but none of us can do anything about it.

Thank you.

How can I trust someone who ignores all scientific laws?

You probably should not have left a -ve trust. A neutral feedback would have suffice.

Moreover, I think, people posting on Flat Earth etc. should not be dealt with trust feedback. They rather deserve to be in ignore list. We already have enough scams to deal with. Check the users I have left -ve trust. Some of those scammers are not yet tagged by DT.

I'm not saying he is a scammer.  I'm saying he is a nut job and should not be trusted. 

It's just ignorance.  My mother is totally averse to science and would probably believe a perpetual motion machine could exist if the huckster was confident and convincing enough.  But I'd trust my mother with my life.  There's a big difference between being stupid and being trustworthy.

But it's up to you.  If you don't trust the guy, you're well within your rights to give him a neg.  I just think it's pretty harsh.

You are NOT saying he is a scammer. But, the tool you have used is meant to identify scammers.

Its like police arrests you and keep you in lock up, saying...

"We're not saying he's a drug lord. But he's a Bitcoiner. So, he can be one."

Here is the fallacy. A random guy on BitcoinTalk can do whatever with his trust feedback. But, when it's from a DT member, it's NOT personal anymore. DT feedback represents forum trust. So, it must be rational & justified.

Does that mean trolling deserves negative trust? People used to get their posts deleted for that and worst case scenario they used to be given some bench time by the mods.
I know that trust is not moderated and you can do whatever you like with it, but I wouldn't paint red a person who I don't like or who I don't agree with.


Unfortunately that limits his abilities on the forum. By painting him red you're making things harder for him for no reason. He will have a hard time getting a loan, participating in a signature campaign, starting and promoting a business, selling something on the marketplace, competing for a job in services with people who have neutral trust.
Was it really necessary?

But the sun most certainly does emit purple light..

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-12c22f65e88ce708579678c27b6d5c90-c
https://www.quora.com/Does-sunlight-have-a-white-color-Or-is-it-a-mixture-of-different-colors-wavelengths

It's just that it also emits all the other colors too, and therefore appears to be white..

First proven by Sir Isaac Newton..
https://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/lightexperiments.html

;)

But the earth is clearly round and you would have to be absolutely off your rocker to believe otherwise..

Did you just call your mother stupid?  :)

The problem with joerogers8 goes beyond that though. joerogers8 blatantly lies about easily provable facts and that's just for some stupid intertubes "opinion". Vod seems to think that such lies are also likely in a deal involving money.

In other words, joerogers8 is the huckster that's gonna sell a perpetual motion machine to your mother.

As it should. He doesn't understand reality.  He will not respect or comprehend a loan, compensation for posting, starting a business, etc. 

How many community members need to get burned by him before you'll accept my paint? 

Exactly my thought the section you posted the topic is meant to be for serious discussion, it's a well known fact that the earth is not flat,

the topic you post on the section is like asking people to prove that a woman is not a woman rather a man and betting $10,000 on it,

it's like joking on a section that's meant to be for serious discussion, that's why the red trust was giving to you.

I will advise you talk to Vod rather than opening a reputation thread for it which could even make you receive more red trust from other members.  

@OP
I don't think Feedbacks are moderated.
Your concept made Vod feeling that you are not a guy whom people can trust. Therefore, he has the rights to paint you. Also, I don't think there is a problem in continuing your account with the red tag as long as you are not thinking about the signature campaign, although it's off-topic.

This is too funny I got -trust from Notbatman for agreeing that Vod beat him in an argument!

Now here's the real problem if a person believes the earth is flat and is determined against all scientific FACT to believe youtube video's and meme's than for the love of satoshi no one should be doing business with that person in a trustless environment because who knows when that person might think something like your money isn't really your's and no longer owes you anything or any other insane reason a meme tells him about!

In fact, the OP already wonders if he can trust bitcoin:


Actually, he more or less says that since he can't prove the Earth is spherical he also can't trust bitcoin. So, yeah.

Ergo, red trust definitely warranted. I don't know about the rest of you, but I would definitely want to know I was dealing with a nutcase before conducting a transaction.

I must say that i got myself a good laugh, because the counterargument against flatearth is round or sphere...which is also wrong.

And how believing that the earth is round (actually a geoid) makes you a trusted person?
By your logical deduction (cough) most of the people that are scammers are flatearthers , right?

Also, are you aware that there is a huge number of scientists that believe in god, despicte all the FACTS that are against their religion?
Using your same logical deduction, how can you trust those people, especially when they are the ones that say that the earth is round (actually a geoid).

https://i.imgur.com/IQ1IJGn.jpg

That's not how logic works.

All As are B =/= All Bs are A.

That is the Potsdam "gravity potato" and it is a synthetic image meant to represent the shape of the Earth in proportion to gravity felt at any point on its surface.

The actual shape of the Earth is still ellipsoid/spheroid (bulging at the equator - ie, ellipsoid - due to spin).

doh

In a dispute with a flat-earther this doesn't matter at all. They don't deny the existence of mountains, i.e. their flat Earth is not a smooth pancake either. You're just muddying waters for no reason. And stop multiposting, you're annoying all subscribers of this thread with useless notifications.

How about you stop speaking in other people's behalf.
I would consider that your posts that approve this clear situation of trust abuse are the ones that are useless.

This is exactly why some bounty managers started to accept negative trust accounts back into campaigns, because you pat yourselves on the back when one of you is abusing the sistem. (not all of you of course, there are clear critics in this thread).

I'm speaking for myself. The voices in your head are not me.

Well since logic isn't your strong suit I guess I will spell it out for you.
1) Anyone with an internet connection can google the millions of images and hours of videos we have of the fucking oblate spheroid we live on called earth.  Most 4th or 5th graders can prove the earth is not flat with a smart phone and internet connection.
2) No one can scientifically and empirically prove the sky daddy doesn't exist.
3) Science, peer reviewed experiments that make predictive and repeatable results require no trust, I don't have to trust them based on their personal belief in a sky daddy, the scientific method is literally designed so we don't have to trust anyone lol, surprisingly a lot like the blockchain but in a ironic twist all the conspiracy theory and religious nutjobs here don't like such a trustless system when it doesn't agree with their agenda!!


Not trusting someone in 2018 who can not understand simple basic logic seems perfectly fucking reasonable to me, but I guess I just expect to much from people eh.  I wouldn't give someone like that a nickel and thankfully we now have a warning in place.

The negative trust is about as ridiculous as the notion that anyone who is familiar with Vod will take his opinions seriously.

This is one more example as to why the trust system has become worthless, along with the fact that the admins will not step in to address a situation in which there is very clearly no trade dispute, nor any attempt/plan to steal money/property from others.  

The world is not flat, and there is substantial evidence to back it up. The appropriate course of action would be to present said evidence, not attempt to silence the OP via a negative rating. And yes a negative rating is very much an attempt to silence the OP, especially in this case.

Evidence has been presented. The OP has proceeded to double-down on their many lies. Your opinion about Vod is somewhere between a glass hammer and a chocolate teapot on the usefulness scale.

You fail to address:

Why would I want to address a strawman? Vod never said that it's a "trade dispute" or "attempt/plan to steal money/property from others".

Then you must admit that Vod is leaving negative trust for reasons other than the OP is a scammer/suspected scammer...

No, I must not. You may want to look up "suspected" and "scam" in the dictionary. Vod seems to think that joerogers8 would be untrustworthy in a trade. Your attempt to make it about something else is laughable.

No the appropriate course of action is to ridicule the retard because he can't understand a picture or video of an oblate spheroid and is less intelligent than the average 4th grader.  There is no need for evidence when you can use your fucking eyes to see it for fucks sake.

The problem with stupid people today is they don't understand facts are real no matter how many memes you read on the web.

Water boils at 100C you don't get to have an opinion on that for fuck sakes


The problem with our ignorant friend is he deals in black and white only.  In reality the entire world essentially works on "scales" of gray!

To the ignorant the trust system is only for scammed or not scammed.  In reality they've been informed a million times the trust system allows for the gray areas in case a person feels that someone is untrustworthy based on behavior. Trust is not tied to a transaction or a verified scam despite the insistence to the contrary.

Giving someone a red tag does not silence them lol they are still 100% free to use the forum as before.  Banning them would be trying to silence them.

In my opinion it boils at 95C¹

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¹ in Denver. I reckon I could be a good flat-earther if I wanted to.

Sub par flat earther because of lack of accompanying meme...

Also its not true about water boiling at 95C in Denver that is a NASA lie because sex in clouds on earth picture

And?

I’m with @The Pharmacist on this. From a scientifically point of view, religions are fairly tales. Does that mean that you can’t trust people with religious beliefs? Not at all.

I believe religions are fairly tells that were made up to ease the human fear to death, by the way.

To be consistent, Vod should tag any person who expresses religious beliefs on the forum.

Religious people are gullible, but that doesn't mean they can't be trusted to do what is expected.

Believing the earth is flat means you have mental issues.  I would not trust such a person to do what is expected, such as repay a loan.

And?


@o_e_l_e_o If the only thing you can do is cherry picking to suck ass, maybe you should stay away from the conversation.

@Vod can you tell me what other beliefs you consider to be mental issues? I want to come up with a list of users to report.

No one is rating the quality of the posts. They are rating the content of the posts. Writing in perfect English, with perfect spelling and perfect grammar, is inconsequential when the ideas behind what you write are insane.

I'm sure joe has some basis to back up his claim.


Then you shouldn't be able to trust 90% of the worlds populace since all of them believe in an imaginary man on the sky.



So are flat-earthers.

I met a flat-earther once, wouldn't say he can't be trusted.

How does this idea feel to you? Do you find it resonable or insane?

I think joerogers8's strategy has worked. We now have four flat Earth threads on four different boards. Welcome to the intertubes of the 21st century, the golden age of information stupid.

TBH I'm kinda disappointed that Quicksy didn't reveal himself as a flat-earther - he would fit right in.

I agree with Vod's assessment of his intellect - flat Earth can be disproven by an elementary school level understanding of science.

Would I want to enter in to a trade/deal/loan/similar with him, knowing this information? Absolutely not, for the reasons I've stated previously in one of his other spam threads here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036856.msg46128828#msg46128828

Would I give him a negative trust for it? Probably not, but I'm not Vod, and he's free to leave trust to whomever he wishes.

The issue here is not if he is free to leave trust or not, but if it is justified.

He is reasoning his trust by claiming that OP cannot be trusted because he is against the laws of science, while using a false,against the laws of science, premise.

Last time i checked, ignorance is not in any way corelated to mental issues (i am open to change my mind if anyone finds a medical report that states that).

I am just going to stop here, there is a clear bias with some users here, which IMO questions their competence or their ability to reason.

Last time I checked, not trusting loonies does not make me incompetent.   :/

They are not ignorant - they have been given the knowledge and easy ways to prove it themselves.  They choose to believe in fairy tales instead.

Using the somewhat centralized default trust system to 'threaten' people with dissenting beliefs is not consistent with the libertarian beliefs bitcointalk was founded on and the values of free speech.

It is up to the users of the forum to decide whether or not joe is a or not, and if he is a then we ourselves, will decide for ourselves.

He does not need to be red-tagged simply for the reason of beliving into something we find ridiculous.
And it is an abuse of power and a threat to free speech.

I disagree. No one is trying to ban him, and his threads in the wrong boards haven't even been deleted. He's being allowed to spew his nonsense anywhere he goes. Negative trust does not stop him posting in any way shape or form.

Similarly, there are no free speech restrictions on trust, which is why most DT members have a plethora of ratings calling them pedophiles, racists, motherfuckers, faggots, whores, etc.

Usual 'untrusted' ratings barely have any effect, while DT members have the power to render accounts almost useless for plenty of activities on the forum.

He can continue writing, but users who share unpopular beliefs are now more afraid to express them, knowing there's is a possibility they will get red-tagged!

That's why it's a threat to discussion.

That isn't a battle of ideas, an argument,  it's use of power in order to intimidate and silence.

It doesn't matter it's about flat-earth, it starts a bad precedent.

Libertarian bullshit again, ain't it?

This has nothing to do with free speech. You can post the same way that you would regardless of the state of your trust rating. Any change in such would be a decent indicator of hidden motives.

Unpopular =/= objectively false (a.k.a., a lie).

Facts don't care about opinions.

The same way joe believes the earth is flat doesn't change the Earth from being round.
The same way, if you disagree with the definition of 'opinion', the definition still remains the same.

You as an individual with a red tag can keep posting.
But an individual without a red tag is disincentivized to post because of fear of getting a red-tag on his account.

Unpopular = false?
So, you too, believe in flat-earth?
Since, believing the earth is round was quite unpopular :)

Also, instead of arguing about flat-earth you could tell me how come you forgot to speak Croatian after resetting your e-mail?

Bullshit. The subject matters and the user's blatant lying matters too. Your attempt to make this into some free speech issue is pathetic. This is a Bitcoin forum, not a "come here to lie without consequences" forum. I'm sure there are places for flat-earthers to discuss their pancakes without repercussions. On this forum however trust matters and it just so happens that a liar got called out as untrustworthy.

Here are some other things you want to avoid "discussing" here:

"$10,000 reward for a Super Hero Legendary Merit Source account and how it relates to Bitcoin"
"$10,000 reward for a plagiarism bot and how it relates to Bitcoin"
"$10,000 reward for running a ponzi ICO and how it relates to Bitcoin"
"$10,000 reward for killing Vod and hiding the body and how it relates to Bitcoin"

I'm sure there is an endless list of idiotic shit that one can frame as a "reward" and then claim to have an "opinion" justifying it. Doesn't mean everybody has to consider such behavior trustworthy.

Wasn't this flat thing issues over yet?
I really don't have an idea on why did the OP tried to open a new thread again? And it has the same number of replies, although he already have his answers from his previous post?


[+5]

Can't help myself from laughing at this entire moment ;D

The OP is just an attention whore. Trolls need food too, winter's coming in the center part of the flat Earth. Or perhaps they don't have seasons, not sure.

For some reason people think context doesn't matter when its actually paramount LOL.

You might just be on to something I think we should let scammers remain untagged as well since its their opinion that they are not scamming and limiting their opinions is a violation of free speech as well...

I also don't think we should ban plagiarists since it's there opinion they are not doing anything wrong!

Murders shouldn't be prosecuted (at least any murder who's opinion is they are doing nothing wrong).

The OP is retarded, mentally unbalanced or lying and we as a society are not doing them or ourselves any favours letting him think hes a special snowflake who somehow beat science.

We literally have 1000's of photo's of the fucking earth, simply put even a retard can look at a picture and say round.

No we shouldn't make room for the OP's opinion we should ridicule and laugh his demonstrably retarded ass out of the fucking gene pool.

All pictures, videos and/or livestreams claiming to be done from satellites or rockets are fake!!

https://i.imgur.com/c9JirVfg.jpg

Adorable! Raging children are using the internet.

You should start behaving more like an adult than a North Korean general.

Literally every comment you make is designed to feed your ego, this type of bully behaviour is disgusting. Learn how to express yourself if you want someone to take you serious.

Really pathetic how the staff and DT members gang up so violently and aggresive on the community for daring to defend someone who they consider a victim of the trust system.

Out of curiosity: Who exactly are you and why are you particularly interested in this particular reputation issue? Outlier names tend to catch my old eye, although I'm not up to date with all the newly active individuals here.

I will not lie, I haven't read through the entire thread, I skimmed it mostly.
Can you pin-point the reply where he is blatantly lying?
I mean, as in lying, not having a different opinion.


Reductio ad absurdum.

It's their opinion to scam? Are you high or something?
Copy&pasting isn't an opinion.
Murdering someone makes harm to someone else, it is not an opinion.

Now I can red tag you because you're a who doesn't know the definition of an opinion?


As I said so far, facts don't care about opinions.
So if your opinion is you're innocent what does that have to do with you killing someone?

The same way, him believing the earth is flat doesn't make it flat!
But you should not red tag him because of believing it since he's not doing harm to anyone!
Some time ago people behaved this way to those who claimed the earth was round ;)


Dunno, he's probably just someone who didn't mismanage 3000BTC.

Well, a user recieved a negative trust for being unscientific, while the reason for recieving the negative trust is also unscientific (having a mental issue for not knowing the shape of the earth).

And then tying all of that with some poor reasoning about because he believes what he believes makes him untrustworhty of repaing a loan and some nonsense like that.
The fact that 78% of americans believe in angels and in the same time being able to take loans from banks should say a lot.

And on top of that this kindergarden aggresive behaviour from people who sould be the leaders of the community against anyone who tries to dispute a controversial reputation issue.

What is so suspicious about someone having a different opinion? you sound like i have some hidden interest in this matter.
Not all people are like o_e_l_e_o, who's entire posting history is just a big string of ass sucking to his masters.

I give credit where it's due and call bullshit and hypocrisy when i find it ...this is who i am.

And i am not an SJW or snowflake or whatever names dumb americans are up this days...

You are the one who brought up suspicious and 'hidden interest' FYI. Unrelated to my question.[1] I was just wondering why this particular dispute is interesting to you because there are literally thousands of complaints (albeit they may not be the same, but the general approach is consistent). I haven't seen you active in this section before (you seem to be active elsewhere); that's why the question and that's it.

What exactly are these masters and who are "his masters"? ::)

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[1] There is usual suspicion when low ranking accounts pop up after a long period of activity and jump on a side (usually the wrong one). You don't fit either criteria. :D

1. We red tag joe for believing in something that can be easily refuted

2. I can now red tag people who believe the moon landing was fake

3. I can now red tag people who believe 9/11 was an inside job

4. I can now red tag communists because there's irrefutable evidence around the world communism doesn't work

5. I can now red tag religious people for believing in an imaginary man on the sky

https://i.imgflip.com/2ipktg.jpg

One or the other is a lie. joerogers8 either never bothered to do this, in which case the first claim is a lie and the second one is just immensely stupid, or actually did it and is lying about the results.


My ego is well fed but thank you for your concern. Ridiculing your laughable "defense" is not violence so you might want to peek into the dictionary once in a while. Who knows, given some time you might even learn to tackle the argument, not just the person.

First of all yes you and any users can tag anyone you want for any reason.
Second Vod has not red tagged anyone for any of those reasons so your logic is specious.

Yes, he didn't.
But if we let this become socially acceptable, someone else will, and it's a matter of time when it's going to happen.

I would like to remind Vod of one of his posts earlier
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2805176.msg28696741#msg28696741


What the?
You guys were the ones who were calling him a retard, stupid etc. instead of explaining why his 'experiment' is fake and that isn't possible.

In the flat earth thread, he claims he watched a ship go over the horizon and he brought it back with binoculars.

That is obviously a lie, because it's impossible.  :/

Okay.

So, the correct wording should be:

The user has been caught lying. Trade with caution.

Or something along those lines. Not

My feedback is factual and appropriate.

You're confused. There is nothing to explain to a liar. By definition the liar knows they're lying.


By the same logic if we let lying become socially acceptable then... well, luckily for you the reality is not a black-and-white slippery slope so don't worry too much about that. We'll cross that bridge (or slope) when we get to it.

The rating is absolutely wrong. His statements regarding what he did or did not see have absolutely nothing to do with him being a scammer and/or someone planning on scamming in the future.

The basis for any negative rating must ultimately be that the person is believed to be a scammer or someone who will scam in the future. The comment is only an explanation for this belief. The standard of “I don’t trust this person” is ridiculous and is an improper use of the trust system.

Come on.
You know you don't really believe he has severe mental issues!


He hasn't been negged for lying but for believing that Earth is flat.

Projecting again? You literally posted such a rating without reference. Vod has articulated a reason why he thinks the OP can't be trusted.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=358020

https://meem.link/i/a/HA1KZt.jpg
Edited 2020-11-29 to fix a broken image

I think you should get a new thread for these things.
It's kinda like iluvbitcoins is the one whose being convicted here. The OP isn't here anymore as I can conclude, and everybody now has being triggered by iluvbitcoins.

Doesn't know  if he too believes the same thing as the OP does. Or just another second the motion thing that Vod is actually doing blatant things that can't hardly be accepted by these people?

A funny thing that these has been gone into conversation of twigs.

Move on people. Trust System doesn't work always within your side. It's just a common thing whether a user trust you or not, and same goes for the next person whose gonna do some transactions into your account.
It's not a big deal for the OP, besides his not doing any transactions here. (Added: it may be a big deal if he is joining campaigns ;D )

(Well if some will ever tagged me then I suggest to have a -9999 trust score for being a troll - that would be awesome ... Now I'm curious how did someone get that -9999 with just a few feedbacks, if you know who I'm talking about ) ;D

Edited:
So far I don't see that the Trust System is being abused by Vod. ( and I wouldn't also lie about how this damn planet actually looks like ... it isnt flat and it also wasn't a sphere or circle... it is an oblate spheroid (based on my science teacher who already died long time ago ) ) ;D

To be fair to the other posters in the thread who may be a little more politically correct than me.  I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who called him a retard.  I stand behind that statement in fact I may have given him too much credit because most retards can look at a picture and identify a round object.  The OP for some reason doesn't even have the ability to do that simple task!

It looks like the OP took your diagnosis seriously and has gone full retard:


It takes a special kind of shithead to insult someone for being Canadian.

Okay, I'm out.
Could report that post, insults without any constructive info behind are deleted sometimes..

We don't want a community where people are afraid to state their opinions for fear of retaliation...

With all due respect, I do believe he has mental issues.  The guy is calling me a retard for posting a simple fact a preschooler knows.  :/


Agreed.  But there should be consequences where a person constantly lies i an attempt to confuse people.

How does this come as a surprise to you? How would you expect someone to behave when he is trapped into a corner and bullied?
Y'all behaved like a 12 year old bully, obviously you don't have credibility no matter what you say.
People who behave like that are usually invisible, their opinion is not respected (IRL or internet in this case) and they tend to communicate by ridiculing and putting the other person down. If this is the image you want for yourself then go right ahead, but you my want to take a look inside at those unfulfilled emotions that emerge from a rough childhood. If you don't, you will, sadly, never grow up and you will be just another one of those people with a little child stuck in grown man body.

On the side note, it is pretty shamefull you keep throwing merits back and forth on who insults the guy better, yet you gang up like Kim Jong Un's army on newbies for every merit they get.
Maybe the reason why there are so many problems in this forum (that everyone knows) is that there are too many rotten tomatoes in the leadership department.

At this point you are just like that guy...you are looking at a picture with the round earth and saying it's flat.
What is obvious is obvious and is clearly you don't have sufficient intelectual capacity to understand that or you just don't have the will to do it.

I'll just crawl back from where i came from, this is literally way beneath me.
Tszunami out!

A 12 year old would have the common sense to admit he was lying when confronted by everyone.


I literally cried myself to death when I read that.  :(

It would be nice if someone could compile the long list of times Quickseller has told others not to do what he does (hypocrite). I've lost count.

That would be meritable post.  :)

New conspiracy theory incoming:

Yeah, he needs to watch it.  All children explicitly trust their parents because they depend on them.

Unless his mental retardation was passed onto his child, eventually the kid will realize his dad is a nut job, and he will lose respect for him.  :/

He slipped in the other thread, and wrote that airplanes disappear over the horizon.  Impossible on a flat earth... it would slowly fade into the "fog" in the middle of the sky.   Same as the sun.  Same as the moon.  Yet everything sets on the horizon - proving rotation. 

I'm sure he will continue even though he has been exposed as a troll. 

You might want to take a look at who sent you merits for your diatribe... the king of hypocrisy himself.

Ridiculous shit gets ridiculed all the time IRL too. It's the intertubes that gives all sorts of whackos the impression that they're not alone therefore their delusions have merit (pun intended). Newsflash - no.

In fact there's a lot of proof that some of the story was fabricated. How would you address the part about an plane hitting the pentagon and turning to dust right after or one of the planes crashing somewhere in the field and disappearing? Later they found one of its engines nearby that happened to belong to a completely different model.
IMO people who believe that the 911 story is exactly as they told us deserve the red much more than non-believers.


Well said.
If people continue to use trust to tag posters with different opinions the system will lose its purpose and in time we will begin to ignore it.

Among trust personalities here, this guy is really one of those who think based on the situation.


If someone here is giving out opinion, I don't think it's fair to give them neg trust, we can just have a healthy discussion to talk things about. (don't get me wrong though, I don't believe Earth is flat, lol)

Don't you think giving out neg trust is somehow harassment?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion not their own fucking facts...  Do you know who likes to make up and change facts to suit their own agenda, we call them dictators (and President Trump)

As a very wise man once said, "Pssssssh facts are meaningless, you can use facts to prove anything even remotely true, facts schmacks"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08