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Title: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 08:21:28 AM
I'm fed up with ignore lists, reporting, blocked boards and all those negative technique that we seem to be forced into using here. They are necessary if one want to stay sane when looking for meritable posts.

I'm going to build a list of favourite posters with a rank of member or lower, and I'll check their latest posts on a regular basis, and award merits if they are deserved. Don't spam me, or request to be added to the list, as that is tantamount to begging.

Do any other merit sources do this? I might make the list public to encourage some of the new members. After all, ignore lists can be made public, so why not list the good members.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Bttzed03 on October 15, 2018, 08:52:39 AM
I started checking some topics on this section a few days ago and I've read many complains about bans and merits.
Your initiative should be able to motivate users of this forum.
I must say, that it's going to take time for you to make a list and monitor. 


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: S_Therapist on October 15, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
I believe QuestionAuthority (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72795) is a merit source and he is doing quite same. He is sending 20 sMerits to Full member and above only though. Here is the link of his thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827596.0) and you may find some good posters from this thread. I have personally read some posts from that thread and got some interesting and qualitative posts which really deserve to be merited.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 09:03:26 AM
I hope it won't take any more time to find good posters than it takes to find ones to ignore. I thought I had lost the domain name SnowEagle.com , but I see it is still in my portfolio, and unused. I'm going to call my selected members "Snow Eagles", and you have to be a newbie, junior or member to get on it. This is just for the initial membership, if you get promoted, I'll probably still leave the entry on the site.

I've set up the hosting for the name, and now I will have to find a template for the site. I like the name as so many newer members complain that they are left out in the cold here, and there are certainly some eagles amongst them. Hopefull I can bring them some sunshine. :)



Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Findingnemo on October 15, 2018, 09:04:42 AM
I believe QuestionAuthority (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72795) is a merit source and he is doing quite same. He is sending 20 sMerits to Full member and above only though. Here is the link of his thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827596.0) and you may find some good posters from this thread. I have personally read some posts from that thread and got some interesting and qualitative posts which really deserve to be merited.
@JC mentioned that he is going to create a favourite list of posters of member and below rank so if can start a thread for giveaway like QuestionAuthority doing for full member and above ranks then he may fins dome of the best posters with lower ranks as well.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 09:11:23 AM
I don't seem to have the same standards as many other merit awarders, so I'll only add posters that I find in my travels. I'll also ignore any suggestions or recommendation to try to cut down on spamming. The list will be off-site as well, as this avoids spamming and begging.

I'll probably make Sweetstar78 the first member, this is based on today's posting trawl.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: athanz88 on October 15, 2018, 09:12:27 AM
Do any other merit sources do this? I might make the list public to encourage some of the new members. After all, ignore lists can be made public, so why not list the good members.

This is one good perspective to be applied in here because it will give some impact for the goodness of the great posters in this forum, but how does it differ from the popularity list of members that is made by (im sorry i forgot who made it) ?


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 09:24:46 AM
It differs because they will be posters that fit my standards, and these aren't the same as those of many other members. For example, I won't be including posters who use full quotes redundantly, especially when the quote is of the opening post. Also, I will be checking the posts made by the Snow Eagles on a regular basis for meritability, and I hope this will discourage the "one shot wonders" who just want their single upranking merit, and reward the quality discussion builders. They may be caught in the frozen wastelands of the new member snow fields, but let us help the eagles soar up into the sunshine here. :)


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Marshall14 on October 15, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
This is so much for being positive, for a while now it's been backlash from backlash, noobs like myself complaining about being unfairly treated and trampled upon,its normal though, as the new system has been hard on many and it seems impossible to rank up

@Jetcash, this will go a long way to encourage more users, as a few more users will rank up, and also help the forum to cut down on crap

Shrewd plan,really well played,cant wait for this one to start


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 10:27:08 AM
Designing the site is a nice diversion. I know I should be doing some other stuff, but I like finding good uses for some of my unused domain names.

I've found some great images by a photographer blogging as "birds as art", and I need to email him to see if I can use some of his pictures if I give him a credit. This is one of them.
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com/baa/wp-content/gallery/alaska/dynamic/bald-eagle-take-off-blur-in-snow-bpn-_y9c7047-homer-ak.jpg-nggid041638-ngg0dyn-800x800x100-00f0w010c010r110f110r010t010.jpg



Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Marshall14 on October 15, 2018, 10:58:28 AM
The eagle kinda looks blur,probably because its souring high up in the sky and with the snow pouring down..

It looks good though


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 11:10:32 AM
It's been blurred deliberately by the photographer. It's a bit like looking at posts through the opacity of the bounty spammers here. :)

Here are a couple of newbies -

https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Wildlife/WildlifeSpecies/BaldEagles/PublishingImages/Bald_Eagle_Nesting4.jpg


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Marshall14 on October 15, 2018, 11:24:40 AM
Their eyes look more like they're begging or pleading, I though we frown against all that  ;D

Give us a bolder look; Lol


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Theb on October 15, 2018, 11:26:15 AM
One way to look at the brighter side of the forum, as long as the merits is being sent to meritable posts I don't see anything wrong with the way you will distribute your merit, also I know it is a big responsibility on being a merit source in the forum and and that is why a lot of merit sources have their own technique/style on distributing their sMerits. My only question is why limit your list to forum members that are rank member or lower? Is it because you think that lower ranked members are the ones who needs to be encouraged with merits?


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 11:39:38 AM
why limit your list to forum members that are rank member or lower?

I don't really consider rank when awarding merits, and I find that I often award to seniors and higher, although I haven't been as active as I should be recently. The more senior members tend to be committed to the forum, and their posts seem to rise to the top. I want to try to encourage the newer members, and perhaps save them from giving up their memberships if they become discouraged.

I hope that other merit awarders can adopt a similar approach, as I seem to be interested in the political and economic uses of Bitcoin and crypto-currencies, rather than the more technical aspects.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Bttzed03 on October 15, 2018, 11:49:11 AM
https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Wildlife/WildlifeSpecies/BaldEagles/PublishingImages/Bald_Eagle_Nesting4.jpg

I had a good laugh when I saw your newbie eagle photos. There should be better images available on the internet. If you cannot find one, maybe use an animated baby eagle.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: mexxer-2 on October 15, 2018, 01:15:04 PM
I'm fed up with ignore lists, reporting, blocked boards and all those negative technique-
Nearly no one use, do or try those so you're not special in that regard. And if you frequent the forum often enough you should have quite a lot of good people/posts you can distribute merits to, just treat it as a (limited no. of)upvote on reddit and not a wand you can touch an account to power-up it up as nearly everyone here seems to do


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 15, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
I'm really pleased I started this, I'm having fun playing with the HTML and CSS, and I found a CD with a Brahms violin concerto on it.

The only downside is that I've just received a McDonalds signature burger with fries.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 15, 2018, 01:36:57 PM
And if you frequent the forum often enough you should have quite a lot of good people/posts you can distribute merits to
Holy crap, mexxer-2 is back--didn't think I was ever going to see him again. 

I would argue that I spend more time on the forum than I really should and I still have trouble finding posts that truly deserve merits, at least ones made by low-ranked members.  Most of the really worthy posts are made by Sr. Member rank or higher, though there are some exceptions.

Jet Cash, good on you for doing something positive.  I may have to take a look at your list when I've got some merit to hand out.  Trying to find merit-worthy members by the old fashioned method of reading through threads takes too much time and is usually just frustrating.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: chokomenia on October 15, 2018, 03:03:05 PM
I think a good way to find a merit-able post is to always check out the thread you are most interested in regularly or you can create an engaging topic in any section and watch how members will engage on the topic, I think merit should not only be given to people who make good post but also to people who offer solutions to member that have one problem or the other or those helping to police the forum.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: jackg on October 15, 2018, 03:23:58 PM
I'm really pleased I started this, I'm having fun playing with the HTML and CSS, and I found a CD with a Brahms violin concerto on it.

The only downside is that I've just received a McDonalds signature burger with fries.

What’s this to do with awarding merits?

(NO one has fun with css)

Finding good posters on your travels is a good idea. You’d could probably look through the lists that loycev and piggy have to see who you have previously merited at the rank of member or below and add them to your list.

(Can’t be arsed correcting my spelling, apple did a forced update of my keyboard so now I’m sad)


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 15, 2018, 05:01:26 PM
I think a good way to find a merit-able post is to always check out the thread you are most interested in regularly or you can create an engaging topic in any section and watch how members will engage on the topic,

Give that thread a time of one week and it will turn into a shitposter shitcave spamming for their bounty-hunting. Most of the posts done by the new members here is regurgitated repeat cassette of the same idea because of the following reasons:
1. The OP forgets about the thread - it was meant to be a shitposting spree.
2. OP does not want to address the replies.
3. OP does not lock the thread even after getting a good opinion/solution.



Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Theb on October 15, 2018, 06:57:41 PM
I want to try to encourage the newer members, and perhaps save them from giving up their memberships if they become discouraged.
I do see that as well, it is pretty evident the ones who are complaining about the merits system in boards (especially the meta thread) are members that are ranked Jr. Members or lower. Just by reading a few of their threads shows that they feel the merit system is a way to stop them from ranking up and receiving higher pay in bounties. This kind of encouragement where their worthy posts are awarded with merits will make them change their minds that the merit system is not an unfair system after all.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: contact12345 on October 16, 2018, 06:02:54 AM
I'm fed up with ignore lists, reporting, blocked boards and all those negative technique that we seem to be forced into using here. They are necessary if one want to stay sane when looking for meritable posts.

I'm going to build a list of favourite posters with a rank of member or lower, and I'll check their latest posts on a regular basis, and award merits if they are deserved. Don't spam me, or request to be added to the list, as that is tantamount to begging.

Do any other merit sources do this? I might make the list public to encourage some of the new members. After all, ignore lists can be made public, so why not list the good members.
I don't know if this is actually implementable but yes we have seen a huge number of newbies, junior members and even members pointing out that this merit thing works like the actual world. The riches stay to the riches even if some newbie deserves it more... I have seen newbies who have made only 1 posts and are so worth appreciation but are never appreciated. If a legendary member posts a thread that might be useful but not as much, they get uncountable merits.
I hope this initiative of yours help and encourage all members to never lose hope and to keep giving their best to this forum.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 16, 2018, 06:27:08 AM
I don't know if this is actually implementable but yes we have seen a huge number of newbies, junior members and even members pointing out that this merit thing works like the actual world. The riches stay to the riches even if some newbie deserves it more...
Pointing out of capitalistic/centralized system by self-righteous spammers? Nah, I would rather listen to what I think is right and keep those newbies on ignore;they dont deserve the next few ranks and they can keep complaining.

Quote
I have seen newbies who have made only 1 posts and are so worth appreciation but are never appreciated. If a legendary member posts a thread that might be useful but not as much, they get uncountable merits.
Appreciation depends on following things :
1. If a merit source ever visits that section or not - If they dont then the "newbie is out of luck"
2. If the merit source, who if visits, has enough merit to spend or not - Same reason as above
3. Whether the poster is a bounty spammer and comes once a while to make a post - Dont expect merit sources to merit those people unless accidentally.  ;D


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: jcriss on October 16, 2018, 06:46:19 AM
I do see that as well, it is pretty evident the ones who are complaining about the merits system in boards (especially the meta thread) are members that are ranked Jr. Members or lower. Just by reading a few of their threads shows that they feel the merit system is a way to stop them from ranking up and receiving higher pay in bounties. This kind of encouragement where their worthy posts are awarded with merits will make them change their minds that the merit system is not an unfair system after all.

Not everyone is after bounty payments! Yes i have a sig. posted but I do not get paid for it.
But being a member here is a privilege, to learn from some of the best (crypto-world users).

I don't know if this is actually implementable but yes we have seen a huge number of newbies, junior members and even members pointing out that this merit thing works like the actual world. The riches stay to the riches even if some newbie deserves it more... I have seen newbies who have made only 1 posts and are so worth appreciation but are never appreciated. If a legendary member posts a thread that might be useful but not as much, they get uncountable merits.
I hope this initiative of yours help and encourage all members to never lose hope and to keep giving their best to this forum.


Yes the merit system is real world! Would you give
A "Bum" 1 BTC to party on
OR
Give it to a "Family" in need.

Hard choice
Does the family deserve it? If yes then they will get it in due time, If not then they will give up asking!
The forum (IMO) is trying to tell the "Bum's" to FUCK OFF

But yes I have seen some of the "HERO" AND "LEGENDARY" members get merit for "Just saying Fuck off"


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 16, 2018, 06:52:51 AM
I believe that current board policy is not the best to deal with spammers and the encouragement of good posting. All the emphasis seems to be on the posts, and not on the poster. The mods spend hours deleting rubbish, and there seems to be some tolerance towards the vipers nests of spamming alts. The posters put a small amount of effort into a few posts to scratch some merit, and then continue with their policy of creating jetsam to pollute the boards.

I would like to encourage some of the new members to learn about Bitcoin and the crypto economy, and the way that it can be used to improve their lifestyle, if they are living in a country with a challenged or oppressive economy. You can't really do this just by looking at individual posts. I decided that one of my unused domains could be used to highlight and encourage these members. I'm going to use the domain https://SnowEagle.com (https://SnowEagle.com) to do this, but I'm still creating the basic site, so I haven't added anybody yet. I'd be grateful if I could be notified if the community things that I have made a mistake by including any members.

It has been suggested that I should allow a "snow eagle" to provide a short bio to be added to their entry. Does the community think that this would be a good idea? I know that this can be included in a profile, but it would speed up scanning by merit awarders if there was a simple comment about the poster.


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: khatarnak on October 16, 2018, 07:17:17 AM
The title used reminds me a hero response on dota2.
If you ever played it.
Don't be negative…be positive!
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/dota2_gamepedia/a/a7/Blod_respawn_10.mp3


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: jcriss on October 16, 2018, 07:17:55 AM


I would like to encourage some of the new members to learn about Bitcoin and the crypto economy, and the way that it can be used to improve their lifestyle, if they are living in a country with a challenged or oppressive economy. You can't really do this just by looking at individual posts. I decided that one of my unused domains could be used to highlight and encourage these members. I'm going to use the domain https://SnowEagle.com (https://SnowEagle.com)

Invitation only? Paid membership? Free? I live is the US and still need to learn more about crypto!


Title: Re: So much negativity, so I'm going to be positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on October 16, 2018, 07:30:19 AM
Invitation only? Paid membership? Free? I live is the US and still new to learn more about crypto!

None of the above - and I don't discriminate against people living in the US. I was going to try for a pilot's licence in Oakland, but ended up as a ski bum in Tahoe instead. :)

I'm afraid the the Snow Eagle project is a personal decision, and there is no application process. You need to be a good contributing member of Bitcoin Talk, and hope that you get noticed. Other merit awarders have more formal threads that you can use.