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I’d like to setup a thread for all conversations relating to the death / murder of the Saudi Journalist.

Hellfish and I were chatting on this, and I think we’ve both agreed (after little research, from us) that we don’t think the US should go into full world police mode over something like this.

Article link here (archive for paywalls) - http://archive.is/x7Lmf

Another journalist killed off and we're actually investigating it. Neat.

Sadly, we ignore Interpol police chef being killed off in Russia.

Also, all the Russian national journalist who had accidents.

But human rights abuses do need investigated. All of them.

Not full world police mode, agreed. But Trump did the right thing when he warned the Saudis. Quite brave too, since Saudis are long term allies of the US. US has huge influence around the world and these symbolic (or not so symbolic) acts convey a strong message.

LOL fuck off with the world police shit already I don't need to pay more at the pump in Canada because some moron dissident was stupid enough to go into a dictators embassy.

US consume lots oil, Saudi Arabia sells lots of oil, US makes Arms, Saudi Arabia buys Arms, Trump sells lots of apartments, Saudi's buy lots of apartments from Trump!  Hmm not hard to see that the only people that will end up being hurt by this is the poor sacks of shit like me at the pump... Any fucking sanctions aren't going to hurt anyone but "me".

Evil always spreads if good people don't step up and oppose it.

Today's it's an embassy.

Tomorrow it could be a small and week third party country during a vacation.

The day after that it might be you in your home if you happen to anger the wrong foreign billionaire.

We don't need to be the world's policeman but we create the world we want with our actions. This necessitates a firm response of some kind that demonstrates our disapproval.

An appropriate response not an overreaction is needed. Something to demonstrate disapproval and change behavior not cause a world crisis. I trust President Trump to figure out what that response is.

The point is anything he says or does is irrelevant and will not change anything MBS is going to do.  More lip service because oil, arms, apartments.  Too much money on the line.

Trump: "Bad rogue Saudi Agents" the royal family knew nothing about and certainly did not authorize the killing of Khashoggi.  We can not punish the American and Saudi people for rogue actors trying to disrupt the world order!

I don't believe that narrative for a second but it is the one they will use. I believe MBS ordered the brutal murder of Khasoggi but I don't think the US should be sticking their nose in there unless they are ready to do far more than say harsh meaning less words, what are they going to do demand MBS stand trial for it LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

This is just one element in a much broader picture.

The US hegemony was built on an agreement that the US would protect Saudi, if Saudi and some other Arab oil producers insisted that oil was paid for in US dollars. Trump appears to be terminating this arrangement as part of his apparent objective to collapse the dollar, and blame the Central Banks.

A smart intelligence agency would kill any enemy and let others think he killed himself, his friend killed him and then killed himself, being shot by a psychic, killed by a car accident..
A clever big boy running a smart intelligence agency and a country (unofficially) would show everyone that he grows up so he decided first to put his whole family and his country's businessmen in a 5 star prison (with a special treat) then he decided to kill his opponent in his country consulate! How smart!
The problem is that the greatest POCUS doesn't give a shit about humans rights nor global warming. All he cares about is his business and how to get as much milk from the Saudi cow (presidency first)...saying some rebels killed the journalist. Hehe, like any1 will believe that the big Saudi boy isn't involved directly in this slaughter.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Saudi consulate butcher shop in Turkey...euh close enough birdy :-\

Why making a fuss about this one journalist. Saudi are killing hundreds of innocent civilians daily in Yemen. And it is not even on the media.

USA and its allies have the right to indirectly kill (collateral damage) people in their countries : Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen...to bring the peace to our world...(zz-clack! song stopped - the old CD-ROM cracked!) but when it comes to directly eliminate a guy inside your country or in your embassy/consulate then come'on it is rude. That's why this story is taking first pages like what happened to Russia for tryin'/killin' its ex-spies and what happened to the UK for killin' the Princess -censored-

Shhhhhh Americans don't like to think about this president and his democratic predecessor supporting a regime that is starving a group of people while bombing the living shit out of them (including civilians) with American arms!

The American foreign policy is a joke, not Trumps doing, its been fucked up for decades and I for one am sick of them being the world police since they suck balls at it!

Agreed, the US doesn't need to topple every evil regime. But Saudi Arabia gets substantial support from the US; the reason that Saudi Arabia is able to have such an evil regime at all is probably because of US support. The US is basically Saudi Arabia's mercenary force. The US should absolutely stop supporting Saudi Arabia for this and many other human rights abuses.

Trump is going to roll over for the Saudis, as would any of the last few previous presidents. They're too valuable in economic and military terms. It's incredibly hypocritical and pathetic.

+1

The US should cut them loose.

Saudi Arabia is under new management, and we will see more of the same if the US does nothing.

No doubt dem or republican they would have all caved to the Saudis, lets not forget which party had the WH when MBS got into the war with Yemen.  While the Obama administration did marginally pull back in their support of the the kingdom it doesn't change the fact that without the support of the sitting (D) POTUS and American arms they wouldn't have been able to start the fucking war in the first place...

The US has a horrible history of toppling regimes only to have a worse one end up in power and not being able to win police actions in civil wars...  Besides those motherfuckers in the middle east have been at war for a few thousands years and no matter what can't figure out how the fuck to live close to each other (thanks to religion).  So the US should stay the fuck out of it over there cause they ain't fixin it anytime soon!

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We need to create a deadman switch using blockchain and crypto where you load your wallet with enough funds (gas) to trigger an event such as releasing documents to email addresses, if the person hasn't logged into their wallet at least once a week, or user configurable..

IT would give whistle blowers and journalists the power to leverage their imprisonment if they aren't released...

I created a white paper for this idea about 1 year ago.. if anybody is ever interested in jumping on board message me privately.

I'm not entirely sure if it's all about strengthening the relationship between two countries or could it be just some private business between the U.S president and Saudi.

The first time that I took interest with American news was back in Obama's administration, and the news about 9/11 connected with the Saudis caught my interest, but I lost track and interest ever since I saw Trump's speech(it's fucking stressful, TBH).

Does it have connection with this? - Saudi Arabia ‘expects Donald Trump to scrap 9/11 victims law’ as first cases brought against kingdom (http://Saudi Arabia ‘expects Donald Trump to scrap 9/11 victims law’ as first cases brought against kingdom)

BTW, there was also some twitter incident back then - Saudi group apologises after airliner post resembling 9/11 (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/08/saudi-group-apologises-airliner-post-resembling-911-180807054738005.html)- Could this be a warning(Canada is near to U.S)?

I believe he is a US citizen, which strengthens the case for intervening. I don’t think it would be good for the US, or anyone if foreign governments are able to go around killing US citizens without consequence.

If this was sanctioned by a foreign government, action needs to be taken.

Hes a permanent resident, not a citizen of the US.  Hes a Saudi citizen although he does have 2 children that are American Citizens.

Trump has declared the press is the enemy of the people is it really a wonder why autocratic regimes think they can get away with anything they want???

There wont be anything happen to MBS or Saudi over this he has gotten away with it so the USA might as well just keep their fucking noses out of it, you're not the fucking world police you know that right?

If he was a US citizen,  I think that would be enough justification for the USA to do something but with him being a permanent resident I don't think the USA have the justification to do anything and am not sure Trump is going to do anything against one of their top rivals because a journalist has been killed.

There is only one thing to be said, which also suprisingly describes western foreign policy pretty good:

MBS may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.


Btw. How do you win hearts and minds?

Bomb them to the stoneage.

The best that can be done is to sanction them and I would like to see the stance that the EU takes towards the Saudis since they put some sanctions on Russia when they allegedly killed one of their former spies in Europe.

Did this commie just say he wants higher gas prices?

YOUR GAS PRICES ARE HIGH BECAUSE OF TAXES, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE YOU COMMIE <3 - https://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/fuelsavings/gas-taxes-canada.aspx link here for taxes related to gas in Canada.

I know why they are high right now, I am saying I don't want them higher because of this situation and America playing world police could make the price I pay higher than it is now.  America and Saudi Arabia have a little tiff and I pay more than I do already so I don't like that and I say fuck off already.

Sheeesh you Fascists have a problem with reading comprehension!  One would think you were the one enjoying legal marijuana but alas your not lucky enough to live in Canada!  8)  ;)

Two words - ENERGY INDEPENDENCE!

But in all honesty, I did know what you meant -- I just think that it is fair for this death to be questioned. Though I don't think a world police action (invasion, etc) is needed.

Made an attempt at killing.
And if you believe the media, an inept one: using substance Novichok instead of well-known specialized poisons, poisons that leave no traces in the body nor in the environment, resulting in unclear cause of death like heart attack.
And somehow they escaped cameras and curious eyes in a very quiet, rich neighbourhood.

Obviously, there will be no sanctions, in this case. Who is that journalist, compared to Skripal the 4-way spy?

That weakens the case for action a little bit. Although I would probably still want action considering he worked for a US company in the US as a reporter.

He has fairly strong ties to the US and isn’t accused of doing anything that would threaten anyone’s safety.
Trump has asked the free market to ignore those who inaccurately and unfairly report on him. He hasn’t caused any form of violence or otherwise attempted to use force to compel any reporters to say certain things.

Ah, someone with a little sense that knows that simply calling out fake news isn't an 'unfair attack on the media by the President of the United States' Thank god....

I don't understand why people will 'protect' the media from their lying. I'm not going to say that all media has to be unbiased, as they're able to do as they please -- but for godsake we should be able to call them out on what they do.

LOL calling the free press that doesn't agree with Trump the "enemy of the people" on literally dozens of occasions would probably be classified at least by most reasonable people as being a little harsher than "simply calling out fake news".  Do you know how many dictators have called the free press "the enemy of the people"? Literally every single dictator that has ever reigned has said exactly the same fucking thing that the POTUS has been saying for a few years now.  If that doesn't give Americans a reason to think then you guys are retards.

No one has accused the president of causing violence or trying to use force to compel the American press but he has waged a verbal and social media war against everyone but FOX.  And like LOL they won't even carry his lame rallies hahahahahahaha.
LOL after making this post I saw the rally this evening where trump praised a GOP Rep for "body slamming" a reporter, almost sounds like hes endorsing violence or something against the enemy of the people, errrr, I mean reporter..!!  The president endorsing violence against reporters could probably be considered causing violence now LOL


Of course people can call them out, again most reasonable people use facts to call out fake news, much like the free press does about the State Sponsored TV station and Trump's fake news.

But I know the right can't understand it even though the majority of Americans do.

"world police" and "don't react" are not the only options. There is no logical reason why the US should continue to support the terrorism-sponsoring Saudi regime that is engaging in extrajudicial killings. Business deals can be replaced, it's not like there is a lack of money elsewhere in the world. Peace and stability in the Middle East might even benefit if Saudis are cut off from arms deals etc.


I'm not sure if buying oil from murderous dictatorships is really the best strategy for maintaining low prices at the pump. Or to put it another way, the US has been sponsoring your lavish lifestyle by pouring trillions of dollars into assorted wars to keep the cheap oil flowing... man up, go get some oil wells in the Middle East yourself, or dig your own tar sands ;D


Precisely. Perhaps they could stay just outside of Saudi ports and make sure the oil tankers don't overcrowd the shipping lanes.


Of course he hasn't, he's just supporting and inciting violence like any other fascist coward...

Trump hails body slamming Congressman Greg Gianforte in Montana
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45913921

hehe I knew you were funny but didn't know you were hilarious.  If you think for a second westerners are ever going to understand and bring peace and stability to a region on earth that has been embroiled in religious conflicts about some holy sand dune for thousands of years then I think you're pie in the sky dreaming.  You can't reason with religious Zealots, you will always be wrong and they will always be right, never have been able too never will be able too.

If I'm completely honest the reason I don't think the US should get involved is because it's lip service bullshit.  If I actually thought for a second any American "response" would actually address or change the situation than I could probably be convinced its the right thing to do.  But since MBS will be the leader of SA no matter what its a lavish blow job for the public.

While I do agree that there is a big scale between world police and no action the stuff in between hasn't been effective IMO.  If you're gonna be the cops shit or get off the pot IMO.


Why not westerners have been buying oil from murderous dictators for several generations now.  Sometimes Americans go to war for oil with a murderous dictator they previously installed and bought oil from for years!

BTW speaking of the tar sands, in 2017 the US imported approx 10 mil barrels of oil a day, surprisingly enough 4 mil barrels a day comes from Canada, yay!  The US imports approx 1 mil barrels a day from Saudi Arabia (Can and SA are the 2 largest importers of oil to the US)
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6

You mean like a "police" blockade of sorts with warships, that doesn't sound like staying out of it hehe?  If you guys could be so kind as to let me know a little before that happens I would appreciate it so I can go buy some stocks in Canadian oil companies, an extra 1 mmb/d for us should have a nice gain on the market yay Canada!  Unfortunately it would still mean an increase at the pump for me but I could offset it with some tasty gains from Canadian oil stocks!


Dictator 101, control the press any way you can.  Kill em if you can, if not call them the enemy of the people and convince normal folks of that!  Trump literally wants to be president for LIFE, we have a word for that if only I could remember it...



You mean like the Americans have allowed the Saudis to do to the ships bringing food to the people starving in Yemen?

Maybe send your war ships up to remove the blockade so people can eat, fuck the people of Yemen are more concerned with food than oil ATM.  To bad Yemen didn't import a million barrels of oil a day to the US then they might be able to eat!

American foreign policy is so fucking hypocritical and as much as I would love to blame Trump for it that would be quite silly as this problem pre-dates Trump by a few generations!

And because its so hypocritical I can't support actions agaisnt SA while they sell arms to them for the war in Yemen and allow a blockade to starve millions of civilians.  So yes I still say you guys should stay the fuck out of it.

Hey, the second part of the sentence matters too - the benefit I was thinking of would be mainly due to the US not supporting one side or another. Granted that might result in Israel eventually nuking everybody else off, yay Darwin.


I was gonna say "buy a Tesla" or "buy some Tesla stock" but maybe not. Ride a bike perhaps. Or ski, or whatever hippies do up there.


The thing that's probably most perplexing for me in this whole murder-a-journalist-you-don't-like story is the pretzel logic of some Republicans trying to justify any stupid shit coming out of Trump's mouth. This is not a new phenomenon in general, but quite new in the context as it's not about Hillary, Putin, NorK, tariffs, brown people, it's about Muslims but this time it's the ones with lots of money so... these ones are cool? Or is it because they hate WaPo (or journalists in general) more than Muslims? Puzzling.

The Saudi government has already acknowledged this event.
But I think there are two doubts about this event.

1. Saudi intelligence agencies should be professional, they can kill Megathread anywhere outside the embassy, It is very stupid and unprofessional to commit crimes in the embassy.
2. Megathread's activities are very wide, and Saudi agents can completely create some abnormal deaths, such as "car accidents", "heart disease", "falling buildings" and other accidents. There is no need to directly kill and even dismember, This technique is very poor for agents.

So I think Saudi Arabia’s approach is too arrogant and too stupid. Of course, an evil regime is usually very arrogant and stupid.
Thank for Apple Watch letting the world know the truth.

Ok now you got me worried. Are we all in danger here?

Yeah we are. Moron Ben Salman gonna hunt us all with his mercenary and put us in the roasted chicken position inside his castle oven then of course cut the hell outta us. Too bad.

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Saudis (politicians ofc) think they are talking to a bunch of dummies with IQ level similar to them.
Ok "we" killed him after a fight and boom there is no body? The best part is hunting/killing his (MBS) closest friends, he will be left alone and will pay...one-day.

OMG this made me laugh so hard ;D. There is someone walking around thinking Megathread is the name of the journalist...

Anyway, the whole world is reacting. US may not want to lose some deals and that is fine, but to not strongly condemn such actions becase - taxes? C'mon.

Well,the journalist name is Jamal Khashoggi, I admit that my thoughts at the time was forked.   LOL
If you think this is funny, laugh out loud.  ;D
Ok, I have to go now, because I am also part of "Megathread", Moron Ben Salman is hunting me now, and you better run now too, or you will be found and killed.

And what about the Journalist Sagor-Runi Murder case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sagar_Sarowar_and_Meherun_Runi) which was happened back in 2012 and still unsolved? Have you ever heard of this? Sorry, for quite off-topic.
People are not being treated as like they should be.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YUmpvOn0alI/ViPQaGDbAkI/AAAAAAAAACk/hD3KXBTL2rQ/s1600/5623496bc4618886218b4610.jpg

The way I see it:
- Well, I don't know, oh Mahmoud ...
- Muhammed.
- Who cares? How did I advise you? Carefully with polonium, Novichok as a last resort but not in your own consulate!
- Anyway, they will find out ...
- Well, say they have come to see the minarets, accused of Saudophobia ... Why did you fess up??