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October 16, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
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I’d like to setup a thread for all conversations relating to the death / murder of the Saudi Journalist.

Hellfish and I were chatting on this, and I think we’ve both agreed (after little research, from us) that we don’t think the US should go into full world police mode over something like this.

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October 16, 2018, 01:18:13 PM
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Another journalist killed off and we're actually investigating it. Neat.

Sadly, we ignore Interpol police chef being killed off in Russia.

Also, all the Russian national journalist who had accidents.

But human rights abuses do need investigated. All of them.
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October 16, 2018, 02:05:14 PM
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I’d like to setup a thread for all conversations relating to the death / murder of the Saudi Journalist.

Hellfish and I were chatting on this, and I think we’ve both agreed (after little research, from us) that we don’t think the US should go into full world police mode over something like this.

Article link here (archive for paywalls) - http://archive.is/x7Lmf



Not full world police mode, agreed. But Trump did the right thing when he warned the Saudis. Quite brave too, since Saudis are long term allies of the US. US has huge influence around the world and these symbolic (or not so symbolic) acts convey a strong message.
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October 16, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
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LOL fuck off with the world police shit already I don't need to pay more at the pump in Canada because some moron dissident was stupid enough to go into a dictators embassy.

US consume lots oil, Saudi Arabia sells lots of oil, US makes Arms, Saudi Arabia buys Arms, Trump sells lots of apartments, Saudi's buy lots of apartments from Trump!  Hmm not hard to see that the only people that will end up being hurt by this is the poor sacks of shit like me at the pump... Any fucking sanctions aren't going to hurt anyone but "me".

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October 16, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
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LOL fuck off with the world police shit already I don't need to pay more at the pump in Canada because some moron dissident was stupid enough to go into a dictators embassy.

US consume lots oil, Saudi Arabia sells lots of oil, US makes Arms, Saudi Arabia buys Arms.  Hmm not hard to see that the only people that will end up being hurt by this is the poor sacks of shit like me at the pump...  Any fucking sanctions aren't going to hurt anyone but "me".

Evil always spreads if good people don't step up and oppose it.

Today's it's an embassy.

Tomorrow it could be a small and week third party country during a vacation.

The day after that it might be you in your home if you happen to anger the wrong foreign billionaire.

We don't need to be the world's policeman but we create the world we want with our actions. This necessitates a firm response of some kind that demonstrates our disapproval.

An appropriate response not an overreaction is needed. Something to demonstrate disapproval and change behavior not cause a world crisis. I trust President Trump to figure out what that response is.

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October 16, 2018, 04:43:04 PM
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An appropriate response not an overreaction is needed here. Something to demonstrate our disapproval and change behavior not cause a world crisis. I trust Trump to figure out what that response is.

The point is anything he says or does is irrelevant and will not change anything MBS is going to do.  More lip service because oil, arms, apartments.  Too much money on the line.

Trump: "Bad rogue Saudi Agents" the royal family knew nothing about and certainly did not authorize the killing of Khashoggi.  We can not punish the American and Saudi people for rogue actors trying to disrupt the world order!

I don't believe that narrative for a second but it is the one they will use. I believe MBS ordered the brutal murder of Khasoggi but I don't think the US should be sticking their nose in there unless they are ready to do far more than say harsh meaning less words, what are they going to do demand MBS stand trial for it LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

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October 16, 2018, 04:51:24 PM
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This is just one element in a much broader picture.

The US hegemony was built on an agreement that the US would protect Saudi, if Saudi and some other Arab oil producers insisted that oil was paid for in US dollars. Trump appears to be terminating this arrangement as part of his apparent objective to collapse the dollar, and blame the Central Banks.

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A smart intelligence agency would kill any enemy and let others think he killed himself, his friend killed him and then killed himself, being shot by a psychic, killed by a car accident..
A clever big boy running a smart intelligence agency and a country (unofficially) would show everyone that he grows up so he decided first to put his whole family and his country's businessmen in a 5 star prison (with a special treat) then he decided to kill his opponent in his country consulate! How smart!
The problem is that the greatest POCUS doesn't give a shit about humans rights nor global warming. All he cares about is his business and how to get as much milk from the Saudi cow (presidency first)...saying some rebels killed the journalist. Hehe, like any1 will believe that the big Saudi boy isn't involved directly in this slaughter.
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October 16, 2018, 07:00:03 PM
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Why making a fuss about this one journalist. Saudi are killing hundreds of innocent civilians daily in Yemen. And it is not even on the media.

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Why making a fuss about this one journalist. Saudi are killing hundreds of innocent civilians daily in Yemen. And it is not even on the media.

USA and its allies have the right to indirectly kill (collateral damage) people in their countries : Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen...to bring the peace to our world...(zz-clack! song stopped - the old CD-ROM cracked!) but when it comes to directly eliminate a guy inside your country or in your embassy/consulate then come'on it is rude. That's why this story is taking first pages like what happened to Russia for tryin'/killin' its ex-spies and what happened to the UK for killin' the Princess -censored-
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Why making a fuss about this one journalist. Saudi are killing hundreds of innocent civilians daily in Yemen. And it is not even on the media.

Shhhhhh Americans don't like to think about this president and his democratic predecessor supporting a regime that is starving a group of people while bombing the living shit out of them (including civilians) with American arms!

The American foreign policy is a joke, not Trumps doing, its been fucked up for decades and I for one am sick of them being the world police since they suck balls at it!

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October 16, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
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we don’t think the US should go into full world police mode over something like this.

Agreed, the US doesn't need to topple every evil regime. But Saudi Arabia gets substantial support from the US; the reason that Saudi Arabia is able to have such an evil regime at all is probably because of US support. The US is basically Saudi Arabia's mercenary force. The US should absolutely stop supporting Saudi Arabia for this and many other human rights abuses.

Trump is going to roll over for the Saudis, as would any of the last few previous presidents. They're too valuable in economic and military terms. It's incredibly hypocritical and pathetic.

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we don’t think the US should go into full world police mode over something like this.

Agreed, the US doesn't need to topple every evil regime. But Saudi Arabia gets substantial support from the US; the reason that Saudi Arabia is able to have such an evil regime at all is probably because of US support. The US is basically Saudi Arabia's mercenary force. The US should absolutely stop supporting Saudi Arabia for this and many other human rights abuses.

Trump is going to roll over for the Saudis, as would any of the last few previous presidents. They're too valuable in economic and military terms. It's incredibly hypocritical and pathetic.

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The US should cut them loose.

Saudi Arabia is under new management, and we will see more of the same if the US does nothing.
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Trump is going to roll over for the Saudis, as would any of the last few previous presidents. They're too valuable in economic and military terms. It's incredibly hypocritical and pathetic.

No doubt dem or republican they would have all caved to the Saudis, lets not forget which party had the WH when MBS got into the war with Yemen.  While the Obama administration did marginally pull back in their support of the the kingdom it doesn't change the fact that without the support of the sitting (D) POTUS and American arms they wouldn't have been able to start the fucking war in the first place...

The US has a horrible history of toppling regimes only to have a worse one end up in power and not being able to win police actions in civil wars...  Besides those motherfuckers in the middle east have been at war for a few thousands years and no matter what can't figure out how the fuck to live close to each other (thanks to religion).  So the US should stay the fuck out of it over there cause they ain't fixin it anytime soon!

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October 17, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
Last edit: October 17, 2018, 03:15:45 PM by jonemil24
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I'm not entirely sure if it's all about strengthening the relationship between two countries or could it be just some private business between the U.S president and Saudi.

The first time that I took interest with American news was back in Obama's administration, and the news about 9/11 connected with the Saudis caught my interest, but I lost track and interest ever since I saw Trump's speech(it's fucking stressful, TBH).

Does it have connection with this? - Saudi Arabia ‘expects Donald Trump to scrap 9/11 victims law’ as first cases brought against kingdom

BTW, there was also some twitter incident back then - Saudi group apologises after airliner post resembling 9/11- Could this be a warning(Canada is near to U.S)?

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October 17, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
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I believe he is a US citizen, which strengthens the case for intervening. I don’t think it would be good for the US, or anyone if foreign governments are able to go around killing US citizens without consequence.

If this was sanctioned by a foreign government, action needs to be taken.

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October 17, 2018, 03:49:31 PM
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I believe he is a US citizen,

Hes a permanent resident, not a citizen of the US.  Hes a Saudi citizen although he does have 2 children that are American Citizens.

Trump has declared the press is the enemy of the people is it really a wonder why autocratic regimes think they can get away with anything they want???

There wont be anything happen to MBS or Saudi over this he has gotten away with it so the USA might as well just keep their fucking noses out of it, you're not the fucking world police you know that right?

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October 17, 2018, 04:02:07 PM
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I believe he is a US citizen, which strengthens the case for intervening. I don’t think it would be good for the US, or anyone if foreign governments are able to go around killing US citizens without consequence.

If this was sanctioned by a foreign government, action needs to be taken.
If he was a US citizen,  I think that would be enough justification for the USA to do something but with him being a permanent resident I don't think the USA have the justification to do anything and am not sure Trump is going to do anything against one of their top rivals because a journalist has been killed.



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October 17, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
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There is only one thing to be said, which also suprisingly describes western foreign policy pretty good:

MBS may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch.


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