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It will not include babies though that are not fit to be vaccinated.

Informed consent has been a very important ethical rule for medicine since the hearings for the horrific Nazi experimentation during WW2. In the case of a child they are not of age to give consent, therefor the parents should be the ones to make this choice. Forced medical treatment of any kind should not be normalized or institutionalized under any circumstances as the results will inevitably be horrifying in the long term if not the short term.

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"How would you feel about a law which requires all babies to be vaccinated?"


I would actively oppose it even though my personal belief is pro-vaccination for any serious illness that can be prevented, this includes myself, my kid and my pets.
My government should not be involved in forcing that choice upon its citizens.

Here is the Robert Kennedy, Jr., answer, which I endorse almost entirely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn86xIjpq0.

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I mean there is an issue of certain people having issues with these vaccines. Not issues with the vaccine itself, as everyone obviously wants to be safe from disease. But the side effects are what could cause a real issue -- that's the problem.

There are certain side effects that only a certain portion of the population will have. We should have to weigh this option as apart of our decision making if we want to see if this is worth it.

I would 'feel' like voting with my feet and getting the hell out of country before having a kid.

In fact, I DID do exactly that.  Forced vaccination programs in 'the land of the free' are on the near-term horizon and they are, I feel, enough of a probability and enough of a threat to get out.

When Trump showed his true colors on a number of issues, and especially the vaccine issue, and showed that he had no interest in or inclination towards going against the wishes of his masters in spite of all his campaign trail bullshit, I bailed.  Trump('s minders) used almost pure data analytics for his talking points and PR campaigns and these bear no relationship to his policies or priorities.  Trump's owners are the driving force behind the vaccination programs and the gun confiscation programs.  5G is another.  There are 'certain reasons' for these priorities.

People assume, for no valid reason, that vaccines are the same everywhere.  They are not.  In some 'regions' making people stupid and sterile is a priority.  In other 'regions' getting half the kids taking prescription pharmaceuticals is a priority since these populations have wealth to extract and it will be easier to sell communism when everyone has a need that they cannot meet without state help.  Namely un-affordable health care...but that only works on people who are sick.

I've put a lot of hard-core research (meaning reading dense scientific studies) and thought into the subject of vaccinations, but there also an element of 'gut instinct' on my part.  My 'gut instinct' has paid off for me in the past.

In this situation though, we're not talking about a country that has gone rogue and is attempting eugneics on its people We're talking about a country of compassionate people and laws. One that is attempting to protect the population through the use of vaccines.

The only reason someone shoud be given an exemption is for medical reason, and ONLY medical reasons relating to the side effects that it could cause to you in particular.

You sure about that? The USA was the birthplace of the modern eugenics movement and the government has been repeatedly documented as being involved.

Anyone who supports the injection of poisons and disease into healthy babies should be locked up. Anyone who does minimal research into the working of the human immune system will realise how evil this action is.

When the horrible truth comes into focus it is very possible that a lot of the people who are currently in the useful idiot category and pumping these vaccines could find themselves lumped in with some truly nasty characters and thus some danger to their own life and limb.

If I were a doctor who is starting to catch on I would start by keeping my trap shut when a knowledgeable would-be victim shows up at my office.  As the privately funded studies keep coming out there are fewer and fewer excuses for 'health care professionals' to be ignorant.  I would also try to develop a documented (but secret) history of passively trying to avoid injuring people while also trying to keep my job.  This could come in handy in future judicial proceedings.

This isn't poison though. These are tried and tested vaccines that are meant to protect people in society. This isn't a conspiracy theory relating to people being injected with stuff that will be tracking them at all times.

This is the reason that people freak out because of statements like this -- statements that aren't true in the least, and ones that scare people into thinking that the vaccines are killing them.

Except that Kennedy tried to get government and the medical to provide the safety testing results required by law, and they don't have it. See my above post and watch the video https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056942.msg52456727#msg52456727. It is now admitted by the medical that they don't know for a fact that vaccines save more lives than they kill.

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I think that you are approaching it from the wrong angle. It would be better to have today's kids (and adults) educated about vaccines, explain what they are, how they work, and give a decent amount of attention to education regarding similar things, in general. Forcing people to do this or that with laws or threats of laws will only make them more stubborn. Teach them the truth, and watch them come by themselves to get a shot.

But actually we don't know what is the truth,if government saying doesn't meant to be right always.

Even though vaccines saved lot of people from deadly diseases it caused lot of side effect to the people at later age.So its our own right which to choose not the government should enforce us to do.

You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.

If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

But actually the change of government is not i our hand since you said it depends on society so who has got more influence will become the leader and the people who don't like them even need to follow them?

For the example you said,maybe the right thing is to bring back the baby from roof to ground which depends on you but we actually don't know what we got in the ground as well.

But then we would need proof for all the things taught, and proof that things taught were not dangerous.

Robert Kennedy, Jr., tried to get the proof required by law. But if they are not withholding it, they don't have it. No safety testing, like double blind tests done over extended periods. In fact, we are finding all kinds of tests that are showing that it might be vaccines that are causing a whole bunch of deaths and diseases.

In fact, it is now starting to be admitted by the medical that they don't know for sure that vaccines are more beneficial than they are detrimental... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113094.msg52437048#msg52437048.

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If the minority says "no," and the government says "yes," what is the minority? Are you saying the minority is not part of society?

True proper government is to let everyone make their own decisions. And if their decisions are hurting someone else, prove it.

Stupid government and medical won't even prove that vaccines are safe.

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Parents have rights, but they are not the owners of the their children. And often they are not qualified to decide whether something is good or bad for their children, as unfortunately there are many bad parents around,  those children need protection. Like Jehova Witnesses , when they don't allow their children to accept blood even in life threatening situations.

Problem with letting every parent  decide about every type of vaccination is that if % of people that are vaccinated drop below Herd Immunity Threshold (you can read more about herd immunity and its importance here (https://study.com/academy/lesson/herd-immunity-definition-threshold.html)) we could see again contagious diseases like smallpox reappearing, or some other contagious diseases spreading massively, and those with weaker immunities due various illnesses could be endangered.

Parents gave birth which bring the child to this world which means they are the owners right?

The establishment's (corp/gov's) argument goes and will go like this:  'OK, vaccines kill more people than they save, but without them society will have a mass outbreaks and many many more people die when the total tally is in.'  They count on people being ignorant of the mobidity charts showing massive declines before vaccines even hit the scene for most of these 'vaccine preventable diseases.'

Ironically it might be the case that there would be outbreaks if people stopped vaccinating BECAUSE of the vaccines and the inane policies.  The 'herd' has been greatly weakened and prone to problems that simply not exist before the 'scientists' tried to play God for fun and profit.

People should be allowed to take their chances and get their own families back to a level of fitness if they so choose.  People who drink the kool-aid and trust Big Pharma to cradle one's baby in their loving arms are welcome to make that choice even though it is pretty clearly reckless endangerment if not flat-out child sacrifice given what we know even now of the 'science' behind these things.

Of course not, at least not in the civilized world.

In the U.S. 'the government and/or the system' means that multi-national corporations.  A recent academic study showed that there is actually a negative correlation between what 'the people' want and what 'the government' does.

The government "dances with them whut brung 'em."  That would be Merck and not you.


You better hope you are not my neighbor because anyone who breaks into my house and puts a hand on my child gets a shotgun blast to the face.  I'm loaded with 00 buck and slugs.  You'd not survive.

Ohh I see,so parents need to spend their money to grow their children but they don't have any right over them.

This is the modern civilization of humanity?

You have to take government to court, and require that they prove that they had a hand in making your children. If they didn't, or if the hand they had is so miniscule that it almost doesn't exist, they don't really have ownership of your children, your property.

But do it ins such a way that you require the man or woman that actually has joint property rights to get on the stand prove his/her property rights. Government can't get on the stand and do this.

Remember one thing. If you have signed paperwork with government giving them control of your children, you might need to rescind your signature off any such docs first.

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Then the problem is not the law in question but the government.
That's why we have police. Cause if you kill me because I try to save your child who's playing on the roof you deserve to be taken to death row.

The fact that it is YOUR child doesn't mean you should be allowed to put him in danger.

That's why we have police. Cause if you kill me because I try to save your child who's playing on the roof you deserve to be taken to death row.

The fact that it is YOUR child doesn't mean you should be allowed to put him in danger.


Considering a child as a property is such a... an American way of thinking.

That's a good thing we don't live on the same continent, I don't believe we can really understand each other one day.
Well if you consider a child as your property I guess government shouldn't tell you what to do with it.

It also means your ok with parents abusing sexually their children or killing them though. And you're fine with abortion I guess.

After all why should government meddle in what you want to do with your property?

All rights are based on property rights.

Damn I think that's the most American thing I've ever read!!!!

I don't mean it with contempt. You clearly based your society on different values than the one I live in.

We would probably never be very happy in the other society :)

But following your reasonning I don't understand how you can be for making abortion illegal. If a child is your property and government shouldn't tell you what to do with your property, why should he forbid you from aborting it?

Property rights are the universal foundation that all less tangible rights are based upon and protected by. You seem to think that all rights being property rights means all we care about is possessions, but this is not true.  Law is code. Code only applies to real tangible and observable facts. Without that the legal system would be arbitrary. Regarding the rest of your comment I suggest you take it to a thread where it is on topic.

What is that supposed to mean?

The law says (or will soon say) so shoot your kid full of whatever Merck wants, and that is because they pay the politicians who write the laws.  It's a problem with both the laws and the government.

It is already the case that 99% of the doctors don't even have the latitude to interfere with the revolving door bureaucrats who make the decisions about who gets what jabs for fear of losing their jobs.  And soon it will be 100% as mandated by law.


We'll do trial by jury.  Some guy in Texas killed some perv with his bare hands got off scott free no long ago.  The do-gooder perv thought it was his duty in modern day America to teach the kid the joys of anal sex and daddy walked in on the lesson.  Probably this is why the Statists want daddy out of the picture so they can 'do ast thy whilt' with the young ones.

We all used to play on the roof when I was a kid.  We mainly got in trouble because if fucked up the roof.  In fact snowboarding is probably more dangerous than playing on the roof.  Why don't you trot on up to the ski slope and try to save the world by grabbing kids before they can hurt themselves?  Report back on how that went down will ya?

Or here's an idea:  just mind your own fuckin' business and let other's raise their families as they see fit.  As the longest running vaccine thread here shows, people like you who worship corp/gov and their mandates are the reason why half the kids (in America) are on prescription meds now.  Those kids who were kept away from the 70+ jabs tend to be as healthy as a horse.  I cannot count the number of times I've heard parents who wised up having older vaxxed kids who are sick all time time and younger unvaxxed ones who are smart and healthy.

terrorism. act of war... end of personal sovereignty... end of life, start of war.

Rev.13
[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Those people using medical science to take over personal responsibility and choice are the opponents, what's fun is that they have chosen the side against God and Liberty... useful pawns...

What is amazing is that the 10th point, will permit to some by surrendering and letting their own babies by injected by who knows what to enter sainthood, however the struggle and self hate that will come from this highest treason to own offspring will be very hard to bear, maybe even more than fighting with the sword those wanting to inject your offspring.

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
― Frédéric Bastiat

“The argument for liberty is not an argument against organization, which is one of the most powerful tools human reason can employ, but an argument against all exclusive, privileged, monopolistic organization, against the use of coercion to prevent others from doing better.”
― Friedrich August von Hayek


“Our freedom of choice in a competitive society rests on the fact that, if one person refuses to satisfy our wishes, we can turn to another. But if we face a monopolist we are at his absolute mercy. And an authority directing the whole economic system of the country would be the most powerful monopolist conceivable…it would have complete power to decide what we are to be given and on what terms. It would not only decide what commodities and services were to be available and in what quantities; it would be able to direct their distributions between persons to any degree it liked.”
― Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


“Freedom to order our own conduct in the sphere where material circumstances force a choice upon us, and responsibility for the arrangement of our own life according to our own conscience, is the air in which alone moral sense grows and in which moral values are daily recreated in the free decision of the individual. Responsibility, not to a superior, but to one's own conscience, the awareness of a duty not exacted by compulsion, the necessity to decide which of the things one values are to be sacrificed to others, and to bear the consequences of one's own decision, are the very essence of any morals which deserve the name.”
― Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


“Emergencies” have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have eroded.”
― Friedrich Hayek


“Liberty not only means that the individual has both the opportunity and the burden of choice; it also means that he must bear the consequences of his actions and will receive praise or blame for them. Liberty and responsibility are inseparable.”
― Friedrich Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty


“It is not difficult to deprive the great majority of independent thought. But the minority who will retain an inclination to criticize must also be silenced....Public criticism or even expressions of doubt must be suppressed because they tend to weaken pubic support....When the doubt or fear expressed concerns not the success of a particular enterprise but of the whole social plan, it must be treated even more as sabotage.”
― Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

Another battle against liberty begins... and swording is the only to defend liberty, and that's sacrifice that those fighting for liberty do... they garden for the tree...

The Revelation is a little difficult to interpret right. Remember, Scripture has to back itself up withat least two, but maybe 3 witnesses.

"[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

So, where are the 2 or 3 Scripture witnesses that back this up?

Consider these two: 1 Kings 11: and 2 Chronicles 9:
There is one other place in the Old Testament that speaks the 666, but it probably doesn't apply. However, Scripture has all kinds of meanings, so it might apply in some strange way. If you want to see it, look it up.


Now, what does Solomon receiving 666 talents of gold, yearly, for 18 years, from Africa, have to do with 666 in the revelation? Here's what, and how.

- The number of the beast is the number of man; they are all after the same thing.

- Your "[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" shows that the 666 is the thing that people and the beast think about (forehead) and work for (hand).

- The 666 as referenced by the above two other places in Scripture is gold... money/wealth.

Here is the answer straight forward: 1 Timothy 6:10:
Often the "griefs" wind up being the grief of Hell if one looks for money more than he looks for the knowledge of God's salvation.

If you think that this is baloney, think about it good before you dismiss it.

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at least it's fully off topic ! for a quick reminder it's about FORCED INJECTION (eventually against the will of the parents), ie the state would take control of the body of the children, what ever their parents want.

it's a reduction of liberty.

please, now you are authorized to go back to your thinking ways...

It all has to do with money... 666.

Your body is your property. Your child is a product of your body (generally). The child is your property just luike your body, because it is a part of you. The country is based on property rights. Stand up for the rights of your property, your child, because if you lose the rights to your property, you lose the rights to yourself.

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I'd oppose it. I remember the dengue vaccine(a.k.a. dengvaxia) which caused children to be hospitalized and many dead(most are children) because of it.
there were a lot of rumors about it being still on the testing phase when it was distributed.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but (allegedly) corrupt government officials are under indictment now for their role in the Dengvaxia fiasco.  Of course nobody at the multi-national (Sanofi-Pastuer in this case) are in any danger for paying off said local officials.

The problem with the 'shoot first, ask questions later' system of vaccine safety is that 10 million kids can be permanently damaged for life by one or two corrupt bureaucrat who probably won't even get into any real trouble for their malfeasance anyway.  They almost never do.

I do wonder if the 'vaccination program' is a Darwinian inspired expression of the 'survival of the fittest' paradigmn.  Those who blindly trust Big Brother to watch over them with no understanding of how He works don't pass on their genes as effectively.  If so, there is at least a tiny sliver of silver lining to this satanic child sacrifice program that 'they' have going on with vaccines.  And maybe the seeds of 'their' destruction though that would be a number of generations out.

https://www.technocracy.news/vaccine-mandates-for-everyone-everywhere-a-globally-coordinated-agenda/

And all we need to do is take them to court for safety test reports, where they swear under oath about the safety shown in their reports, with the people who took the tests getting on the stand and swearing that they were part of the tests.

They gotta do something. The info about how they have been wrecking the world and killing people is finally getting out into the open.

It's getting to the point where the timid people are gong to have to stand up and fight for their lives. But let's do it in legal, lawful ways. Because those ways work if we band together and do it right.

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On one hand it's dangerous not to vaccinate children in today's world. That's unless you're ready to home school them and live somewhere in the mountains. Vaccines make germs stronger which means that vaccinated children can be carriers but not get sick. If you send a child into such environment it's going to catch whatever strain is flying around at the moment.

I believe we have the right to make our own choices, so I wouldn't support such law, but I'd vaccinate my own child regardless of whether the law existed or not. 

Today's vaccines are different than those of even 60 or 70 years ago and before. The old vaccines probably did exactly what they were supposed to do. They sent in a "dead" virus, which activated the immune system against the live ones.

Today's vaccines are extremely potent. The potency doesn't have much to do with the particular virus involved. Rather, because of all the toxins and poisons in today's vaccines, they probably don't need the dead virus at all. Rather, the immune system takes one "nibble" of modern vaccine substance, and goes into "rabid" overdrive, lashing out at anything and everything.

That's why we are getting all kinds of autoimmune diseases from the vaccines. That's where essentially all the ADHD, autism, MS, and over 100 other autoimmune come from. On top of that, the shock of the system going into overdrive, often does neurological and mental damage to the recipient (victim). The dumbing down of the patient is similar to that done by many illegal drug overdoses.

So, there are probably benefits from some vaccines. But multiple vaccinations of different standard vaccines is really a dangerous thing. And the fact that the medical is starting to come out and admit that they don't know for sure which saves more lives, vaccination or no vaccination, is major point that should actually place all vaccinations on hold until the safety studies are completely finished on them (The Robert Kennedy, Jr., answer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn86xIjpq0.).

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The potential side effects from vaccination are way worse that the effects from the disease.


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