How would you feel about a law which requires all babies to be vaccinated?

[Sherwood_Archer]

It will not include babies though that are not fit to be vaccinated.

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[TECSHARE]

Informed consent has been a very important ethical rule for medicine since the hearings for the horrific Nazi experimentation during WW2. In the case of a child they are not of age to give consent, therefor the parents should be the ones to make this choice. Forced medical treatment of any kind should not be normalized or institutionalized under any circumstances as the results will inevitably be horrifying in the long term if not the short term.

[BADecker]

California health director resigns after making anti-vaxxer comments.



'Unvaccinated booger-eater germs':

California's director of the Department of Health Care Services has resigned after writing a Facebook post that slammed anti-vaccine advocates.

Jennifer Kent announced Tuesday she was stepping down from her role with the department, a position she has held since 2015.

"One of the hard things about this job is leaving. However, I wanted you to know that I have submitted my resignation, effective the end of this month," she wrote in an email to employees. "Between now and my last day, I will be working to ensure that all of the activities that are currently underway are transitioned to the amazing team that already exists here at DHCS."

Although a reason was not given for her resignation, the San Francisco Chronicle reports it comes on the heels of a Facebook post mocking anti-vaxxers who have been recently protesting in Sacramento.

"The Capitol is filled with a bunch of flat-earthers today," Kent wrote on Facebook. "My poor sweet Bacteria Bear is dripping with unvaccinated booger-eater germs. #believeinscience #vaccinateyourgoddamnkids."

[_Miracle]

"How would you feel about a law which requires all babies to be vaccinated?"


I would actively oppose it even though my personal belief is pro-vaccination for any serious illness that can be prevented, this includes myself, my kid and my pets.
My government should not be involved in forcing that choice upon its citizens.

[BADecker]

Here is the Robert Kennedy, Jr., answer, which I endorse almost entirely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn86xIjpq0.

[squatz1]

I mean there is an issue of certain people having issues with these vaccines. Not issues with the vaccine itself, as everyone obviously wants to be safe from disease. But the side effects are what could cause a real issue -- that's the problem.

There are certain side effects that only a certain portion of the population will have. We should have to weigh this option as apart of our decision making if we want to see if this is worth it.

[tvbcof]

I would 'feel' like voting with my feet and getting the hell out of country before having a kid.

In fact, I DID do exactly that.  Forced vaccination programs in 'the land of the free' are on the near-term horizon and they are, I feel, enough of a probability and enough of a threat to get out.

When Trump showed his true colors on a number of issues, and especially the vaccine issue, and showed that he had no interest in or inclination towards going against the wishes of his masters in spite of all his campaign trail bullshit, I bailed.  Trump('s minders) used almost pure data analytics for his talking points and PR campaigns and these bear no relationship to his policies or priorities.  Trump's owners are the driving force behind the vaccination programs and the gun confiscation programs.  5G is another.  There are 'certain reasons' for these priorities.

People assume, for no valid reason, that vaccines are the same everywhere.  They are not.  In some 'regions' making people stupid and sterile is a priority.  In other 'regions' getting half the kids taking prescription pharmaceuticals is a priority since these populations have wealth to extract and it will be easier to sell communism when everyone has a need that they cannot meet without state help.  Namely un-affordable health care...but that only works on people who are sick.

I've put a lot of hard-core research (meaning reading dense scientific studies) and thought into the subject of vaccinations, but there also an element of 'gut instinct' on my part.  My 'gut instinct' has paid off for me in the past.

[squatz1]

I would 'feel' like voting with my feet and getting the hell out of country before having a kid.

In fact, I DID do exactly that.  Forced vaccination programs in 'the land of the free' are on the near-term horizon and they are, I feel, enough of a probability and enough of a threat to get out.

When Trump showed his true colors on a number of issues, and especially the vaccine issue, and showed that he had no interest in or inclination towards going against the wishes of his masters in spite of all his campaign trail bullshit, I bailed.  Trump('s minders) used almost pure data analytics for his talking points and PR campaigns and these bear no relationship to his policies or priorities.  Trump's owners are the driving force behind the vaccination programs and the gun confiscation programs.  5G is another.  There are 'certain reasons' for these priorities.

People assume, for no valid reason, that vaccines are the same everywhere.  They are not.  In some 'regions' making people stupid and sterile is a priority.  In other 'regions' getting half the kids taking prescription pharmaceuticals is a priority since these populations have wealth to extract and it will be easier to sell communism when everyone has a need that they cannot meet without state help.  Namely un-affordable health care...but that only works on people who are sick.

I've put a lot of hard-core research (meaning reading dense scientific studies) and thought into the subject of vaccinations, but there also an element of 'gut instinct' on my part.  My 'gut instinct' has paid off for me in the past.

In this situation though, we're not talking about a country that has gone rogue and is attempting eugneics on its people We're talking about a country of compassionate people and laws. One that is attempting to protect the population through the use of vaccines.

The only reason someone shoud be given an exemption is for medical reason, and ONLY medical reasons relating to the side effects that it could cause to you in particular.

[TECSHARE]

I would 'feel' like voting with my feet and getting the hell out of country before having a kid.

In fact, I DID do exactly that.  Forced vaccination programs in 'the land of the free' are on the near-term horizon and they are, I feel, enough of a probability and enough of a threat to get out.

When Trump showed his true colors on a number of issues, and especially the vaccine issue, and showed that he had no interest in or inclination towards going against the wishes of his masters in spite of all his campaign trail bullshit, I bailed.  Trump('s minders) used almost pure data analytics for his talking points and PR campaigns and these bear no relationship to his policies or priorities.  Trump's owners are the driving force behind the vaccination programs and the gun confiscation programs.  5G is another.  There are 'certain reasons' for these priorities.

People assume, for no valid reason, that vaccines are the same everywhere.  They are not.  In some 'regions' making people stupid and sterile is a priority.  In other 'regions' getting half the kids taking prescription pharmaceuticals is a priority since these populations have wealth to extract and it will be easier to sell communism when everyone has a need that they cannot meet without state help.  Namely un-affordable health care...but that only works on people who are sick.

I've put a lot of hard-core research (meaning reading dense scientific studies) and thought into the subject of vaccinations, but there also an element of 'gut instinct' on my part.  My 'gut instinct' has paid off for me in the past.

In this situation though, we're not talking about a country that has gone rogue and is attempting eugneics on its people We're talking about a country of compassionate people and laws. One that is attempting to protect the population through the use of vaccines.

The only reason someone shoud be given an exemption is for medical reason, and ONLY medical reasons relating to the side effects that it could cause to you in particular.

You sure about that? The USA was the birthplace of the modern eugenics movement and the government has been repeatedly documented as being involved.

[Jet Cash]

Anyone who supports the injection of poisons and disease into healthy babies should be locked up. Anyone who does minimal research into the working of the human immune system will realise how evil this action is.

[tvbcof]

Anyone who supports the injection of poisons and disease into healthy babies should be locked up. Anyone who does minimal research into the working of the human immune system will realise how evil this action is.

When the horrible truth comes into focus it is very possible that a lot of the people who are currently in the useful idiot category and pumping these vaccines could find themselves lumped in with some truly nasty characters and thus some danger to their own life and limb.

If I were a doctor who is starting to catch on I would start by keeping my trap shut when a knowledgeable would-be victim shows up at my office.  As the privately funded studies keep coming out there are fewer and fewer excuses for 'health care professionals' to be ignorant.  I would also try to develop a documented (but secret) history of passively trying to avoid injuring people while also trying to keep my job.  This could come in handy in future judicial proceedings.

[squatz1]

Anyone who supports the injection of poisons and disease into healthy babies should be locked up. Anyone who does minimal research into the working of the human immune system will realise how evil this action is.

This isn't poison though. These are tried and tested vaccines that are meant to protect people in society. This isn't a conspiracy theory relating to people being injected with stuff that will be tracking them at all times.

This is the reason that people freak out because of statements like this -- statements that aren't true in the least, and ones that scare people into thinking that the vaccines are killing them.

[BADecker]

Anyone who supports the injection of poisons and disease into healthy babies should be locked up. Anyone who does minimal research into the working of the human immune system will realise how evil this action is.

This isn't poison though. These are tried and tested vaccines that are meant to protect people in society. This isn't a conspiracy theory relating to people being injected with stuff that will be tracking them at all times.

This is the reason that people freak out because of statements like this -- statements that aren't true in the least, and ones that scare people into thinking that the vaccines are killing them.

Except that Kennedy tried to get government and the medical to provide the safety testing results required by law, and they don't have it. See my above post and watch the video https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056942.msg52456727#msg52456727. It is now admitted by the medical that they don't know for a fact that vaccines save more lives than they kill.

[metallica101]

I think that you are approaching it from the wrong angle. It would be better to have today's kids (and adults) educated about vaccines, explain what they are, how they work, and give a decent amount of attention to education regarding similar things, in general. Forcing people to do this or that with laws or threats of laws will only make them more stubborn. Teach them the truth, and watch them come by themselves to get a shot.

[semobo]

I think that you are approaching it from the wrong angle. It would be better to have today's kids (and adults) educated about vaccines, explain what they are, how they work, and give a decent amount of attention to education regarding similar things, in general. Forcing people to do this or that with laws or threats of laws will only make them more stubborn. Teach them the truth, and watch them come by themselves to get a shot.

But actually we don't know what is the truth,if government saying doesn't meant to be right always.

Even though vaccines saved lot of people from deadly diseases it caused lot of side effect to the people at later age.So its our own right which to choose not the government should enforce us to do.

[Oxstone]

You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

[semobo]

You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

[Oxstone]

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.

If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

[semobo]

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.

If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

But actually the change of government is not i our hand since you said it depends on society so who has got more influence will become the leader and the people who don't like them even need to follow them?

For the example you said,maybe the right thing is to bring back the baby from roof to ground which depends on you but we actually don't know what we got in the ground as well.

[BADecker]

I think that you are approaching it from the wrong angle. It would be better to have today's kids (and adults) educated about vaccines, explain what they are, how they work, and give a decent amount of attention to education regarding similar things, in general. Forcing people to do this or that with laws or threats of laws will only make them more stubborn. Teach them the truth, and watch them come by themselves to get a shot.

But then we would need proof for all the things taught, and proof that things taught were not dangerous.

Robert Kennedy, Jr., tried to get the proof required by law. But if they are not withholding it, they don't have it. No safety testing, like double blind tests done over extended periods. In fact, we are finding all kinds of tests that are showing that it might be vaccines that are causing a whole bunch of deaths and diseases.

In fact, it is now starting to be admitted by the medical that they don't know for sure that vaccines are more beneficial than they are detrimental... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113094.msg52437048#msg52437048.