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What happened: FAKE TEAM / Stealing people's identity

ANN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068602.0
http://web.archive.org/web/20181113183149/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068602.0

Scammers Website: http://www.idacpro.io
http://web.archive.org/web/20181029173753/http://www.idacpro.io/

This page is archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20181127221455/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5059552.0  (27/11/2018)

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/idacpro%20fake%20team.JPG



http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/1a.JPG

FAKE NAME: Kelvin Smith
REAL NAME:  Birger Kollmeier German physicist
https://www.audiology.org/about-us/academy-information/academy-honors/birger-kollmeier-phd
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Birger_Kollmeier_Oldenburg.jpg

His photos are all over the internet and FREE to download:
https://www.needpix.com/photo/437566/birger-kollmeier-professor-blackboard-physics-lecturer-university-teacher



http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/2a.JPG

FAKE NAME:  JOHN WILSON - STOCK IMAGE
https://stock.adobe.com/search?load_type=visual&native_visual_search=5bd73fdd35e18&similar_content_id=&is_recent_search=&k=&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&asset_id=39401425




http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/3a.JPG
FAKE NAME: Sean HE
REAL NAME: Dr. Jay Evans
https://www.missoulacurrent.com/business/2018/09/um-translational-medicine-grant/
http://hs.umt.edu/dbs/people/default.php?s=Evans4801
http://innovatemontana.com/news/jay-evans

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/guilty.JPG

Now they removed the fake team - a sign of guilty or what?

They created a new post:

ANN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068602.0
http://web.archive.org/web/20181113183149/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068602.0

Thank you for your attention to the project. The team was updated with new real people who are actively involved in the development of the project. These changes were made due to the imposed ICO restrictions by China. Despite all the difficulties, we have completed KYC at ICObench and are ready to answer your questions.

Welcome to our chat https://t.me/IDACOfficial1

In addition, we would like to send you a letter from the project CEO in your pm. Thank you for your attention and your time. We believe that you change your opinion about the project.

Completing KYC with a website that takes money from scammers will not help. ICOBench is no longer a reputable source of information. There are many valid evidence agaist them and they refused to address those accusations:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5065117.0

And especially with thousands and thousands of stolen ID's via KYC system used by the scammers, now it is easy to pass any KYC at ICOBench.

DO NOT send anything in private message, we will not open any links coming from you. Post any message from your CEO here, so everyone can see, read, and take their own conclusion.

And FYI are used to see scammers changing the team and coming out with the same lame excuses, like the one that you posted above.


Your CEO doesnt have a Linkedin profile? WHY?

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/linkedin1.JPG



All the Linkedin accounts of your "new team" appears to be brand new!!! Probably just released from a Chinese scam factory.

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/linkedin2.JPG


And who is World Help Disability Welfare Foundation ??? SOmething new just created probably by one of the Chinese scam factories as well? Their website doesn't even work

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/linkedin3.JPG
http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/godaddy.JPG



AND none of the members of your advisory team has a link to your scam ICO.

Thank you for your attention to the project. The team was updated with new real people who are actively involved in the development of the project. These changes were made due to the imposed ICO restrictions by China. Despite all the difficulties, we have completed KYC at ICObench and are ready to answer your questions.

Welcome to our chat https://t.me/IDACOfficial1

In addition, we would like to send you a letter from the project CEO in your pm. Thank you for your attention and your time. We believe that you change your opinion about the project.

You sound like a parrot repeating yourself.

Why dont you finish creating the Linkedin profile for the rest of your fake team. Many of them still with a broken link.

And what happened to her profile? Disable now? was that up just to help you with your KYC at that bench site? Or was it reported?

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/linkedin2.JPG http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/linkedin1.JPG

Both team members disappeared from linkedin, here is chao gou's linkedin account: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chao-guo-4a130416b/

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I missed this part about KYC before, but it is worth to mention it and great to know that ICObench's KYC test means nothing:
If you don't mind to upload short video of your team members talking about project, including this member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068602.msg48155211#msg48155211.

Can you do that to clear all doubts?

Thank you for what ? OP caught your fake team and you have changed picture successfully and now no one can say your team is fake. That's why thank ? Yes, you changed team picture after exposed, it dose'nt mean you have changed your intention. What is ICObench? Is it US security organizations or something else? Why should we ask question to them ?

Your team was fake means your intention isn't fair. If again  proved that picture also fake, will you change again ? Wondering, why are you not painted ?

You never passed anything... We sent a message to ICOBench and they delisted your scam ICO.

Hi ICOEthics,
This is Thomas, the managing director of World Help Disability Welfare Foundation. I would like to address some of the questions you are asking. But before that I would also hope that you can clarify here in your thread why you intentionally missed out some of the important details in the letter I sent you. A lot of the answers you are looking for I have already tried to provide you with in that letter. So I am going to answer them again here.

1. Is World Help Disability Welfare Foundation and IDAC real?

Yes. World Help Disability Welfare Foundation is an officially registered organisation in Singapore with two aims - to help families and people with disabilities and to collect and analyse data which helps to develop new technologies for the disabled communities. It is rather strange for me to see that you purposely left out the part where I told you that we are able to provide you with the official government documents regarding our organisation which you can use to verify with the Singapore government. The government of Singapore is one of the most efficient and non corrupted government organisations in the world, I am sure they would be able to assist you should you require any clarification from them.

As for IDAC, it is a project that we are jointly developing with Zhongke Hive, a team of developers in China. The testnet is almost ready and will be released for testing soon after the ico. The platform is aimed at improving the current state of charity, where the management of charitable fund is highly centralised and untrackable. The project was partially inspired by some major cases of fraud and corruption, including the case of Haiti earthquake relief work where a huge sum of donation went missing under the management of the American Red Cross organisation.

2. Did we use fake IDs initially before our ICO sale?
Yes. And we have expressed our sincere apologies and provided you with a detailed explanation for it. Again you intentionally left out the details and instead, used the word 'lame' as your response. So I will try to provide the details here again. Like I mentioned earlier, the team mainly consists of Chinese engineers and developers (like a lot of the major crypto companies do) , who do not wish to reveal their identities due to the recent government crack down on any crypto related projects in China. The team members have other career commitments and some of them work in government funded organisations. So it is really very inconvenient and even risky for them to reveal their identities. However, after we found out about your post and learnt that there are people who actively look for dubious icos and give out warnings, we felt that you guys have a good cause and as developers, we should be responsible and honest for our product despite the risks that some of us might be taking. So we decided to stand by our creation, and replaced these fake IDs with real people from our team.

3. Did we pass KYC on ICObench?

Yes. We indeed passed all of the kyc tests ICObench requested for. I have no idea why you claimed that we did not pass any kyc test, that is simply untrue.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. If you need any more clarification, i am here to answer them. ICObench is requesting for extra kyc verifications at the moment, once that is done IDAC will be relisted because we are able to provide authentic proof of our work to them.

Earlier ICOBench had delisted this scammer after we sent them a message.

http://icoethics.com/imgs/other/bench0.JPG


Now ICOBench relisted again but asking for KYC of 5 members. And they posted a warning message with a link to this post.


http://icoethics.com/imgs/other/bench1.JPG


Lets see if ICOBench will keep them. OLGA FOMINA (the book writer with another name) already failed their KYC
(Aлecя Cepгeeвнa Дoвлaтoвa: https://www.ozon.ru/person/3621565/)


http://icoethics.com/imgs/other/bench3.JPG

I didn't know about that other idac topic at first, it's not unusual to see writers using pseudonyms. However, I doubt that's the case here:

https://librusec.pro/a/243721

https://vk.com/dovlatovalesya

https://www.reklama-expo.ru/ru/news/digest-2016.02/interview_ang_8/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Besprotsentny-kredit-Shokiruyushchaya-besprotsentnykh-kreditakh/dp/B005FBWDGS/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543344995&sr=1-1&refinements=p_27%3AAlesya+Dovlatova+Alena+Narinyani

Cut the crap - can you upload video of your team members including that one which fail KYC test or not?
Actually 3 new members have been invited, as 2 team members passed KYC previously. Makes me wonder...

"The team was updated with new real people who are actively involved in the development of the project"

I am truly curious to understand this passage.  
- you removed some active team member from your staff?
- not all people are/were listed on your project?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5059552.msg47918098#msg47918098
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5059552.msg48153167#msg48153167

Reply with the same post could help a lot .... to get a permanent ban!

This is Thomas, the managing director at World Help disability Welfare Foundation Singapore. Again it is truly strange and unfortunate that ICOEthics simply choose not to respond to proper replies and explanations provided by the IDAC team aiming at clarifying the doubts. Certain important details were also intentionally left out of their discussion. ICOEthics also failed to provide the reason behind this intentional disregard of many important details they have been provided with by the devs when asked. Instead they keep on holding on to the same outdated 'proof' for which explanations and apologies have been given a long time ago. These apologies and explanations have not been professionally discussed or mentioned by ICOEthics, they do not communicate at all or respond, especially when we have informed them that we are able to provide legal documents of our organisation for them to verify.

We suspect there is blackmailing and foulplay involved with ICOethics. According to some investigation conducted, ICOEthics.com ranks at 5, 524, 013th, with very little traffic and also a donating system that accepts 'contributions' to their organisation. The amount of contributions they received at the moment is '0' ETH. Within the posts by ICOEthics against IDAC, some choices or words are very unprofessional and there are also obvious racism in some of expression used, which we will take into consideration when discussing our further actions. The team is in the mids of discussing how they can resolve the issue, lawyer engagements are also being discussed.

we are happy to answer any questions about IDAC, our testnet is almost completed and will be available for testing soon. We believe that this milestone will be able to prove our product and intentions, at the same time debunking any dubious claims.

Thomas

Hi this is Thomas, the managing director at World Help Disability Welfare Foundation. I have already provided answers to your question in the response above, maybe you have missed it.

Some of the doubts can be clarified in this reply. The IDAC team is making a video at the moment to discuss what IDAC is in detail. Please stay tuned for that!

There is nothing you can say that will change our opinion. SO there is nothing strange about us not responding to your LAME excuse. You already admited a fake team, using fake ids...



LOL @ your investigation...


RACISM? roflao.  GO ahead scammer, get your FAKE lawyer involved. GO to SHutterstock.com and choose a nice picture of him/her.

NOW about your FAKE :

OH NO!!! THEY DIDN'T PASS KYC

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/bench7.JPG

Lol you are funny :)  I dont give a damm how "detailed" your explanation is there is only one reason people use Fake IDs during ICO's you got caught now kindly F*ckoff.

This isn't thread about ICOethics.
No, you are not. You are avoiding some posts here, for example my.

Can YOU create video of your team members including girl which is exposed as someone else and can you create video of your team members which failed ICObench's KYC test and can you create video of all team members? Do that and upload videos on youtube.

Or get the fuck out of here.

We have been trying to resolve the issue in a sensible and reasonable way, however it is quite obvious that ICOEthics are deliberately avoiding responding to proper reasonings and details -

1.no response to the fact that we are able to provide official documentations about our organisation in Singapore.

2. No response to the fact that we have a real testing net ready to be tested by users, which is already a far better proof of our product than anything else. Many of the icos do not even have a real system already developed.

3. No response to the fact about the Chinese government's stand on ico and how it affects the Chinese developers. News and details about the crack down can simply be found on google.

4. One more question, how much of your 'evidence' are real, how many of them are simply your accusations and assumptions, and perhaps you can try not to manipulate certain details by taking words and details out of context.

In the beginning we thought ICOEthics were a respectable team with good intentions, however the recent rude, discriminating and unprofessional response in the thread have already made it pretty clear what kind of people ICOEthics are. We have made mistakes and we have corrected them, same can't be said about you guys. We are planning to engage law service about this matter, as it is quite obvious that ICOEthics is not able to respond to proper questions and reasoning.

We have also noticed that you guys purposely take words out of context quite conveniently to facilitate your argument, very ethical and credible indeed. You guys asked for response and explanations in the first place and after we provided them you said you will simply not respond to them. Very professional and rational behaviour.

No fake ids were used during ico to mislead anyone. What ICOEthics mentioned was way before ico even started. For our ico only members of our own team are publicised.

We dont care about your excuses about the Chinese govt BS that you mentioned - That's your problem.

Now, Who is misleading who here? You started a project with a fake team.

YOU used fake ID's. You switched the first fake team for the second fake team. Your fake team didnt pass KYC.

WHERE is the video of your team? why are you avoiding to answer this:




Chinese Government: jubao.nifa.org.cn (report people associated with ICOs)

Another LIE from this scammer.


They are working on their website that was offline (http://www.whdwf.sg).
They created some fake posts about getting support from other organizations.


http://www.whdwf.sg/blog/conversation-with-community-foundation-singapore

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/SAVED.JPG





Who is Anne-Marie Clavelli
https://www.cf.org.sg/2017/10/12/arts-for-the-community/

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/foundation.JPG






Unable to find her email, Linkedin or other way to contact her, we reached the foundation on their Facebook. And below is their answer:
https://www.facebook.com/CommunityFoundationofSingapore/

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/no%20conversation.JPG

Strangely enough, nothing about IDAC can be found in this article(use google translator  :)):

http://www.g.com.cn/tech/56404974/
Mr. Cui Jiping is IDAC's COO. Perhaps ICObench should perform KYC on them too, the same way as they did it on other team members (fail passed - passed - fail passed - fail passed - fail)

http://mega-eworld.com/pub/section100624/element2406237/

http://samlib.ru/a/alesja_d/

http://www.propr.me/vsya-pravda-o-reklame-i-reklamnyx-agentstvax-intervyu-s-alesej-dovlatovoj/
^^


The way Alesya Dovlatova I mean Olga Fomina has passed KYC test after she fail the same test is one big mystery. I am not sure why IDAC refuse to upload few videos.

And that applies to all team member's that failed KYC and passed- it is a big mystery -(Wondering how much they paid)

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/ben12a.JPG http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/b177.JPG



Last week we reported to ICOBench that this project is a SCAM, and below was their answer.
So, basically, ICOBench will accept any excuse coming from a scammer without doing further investigation.

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/br.JPG



We posted in a few places about the corruption inside ICOBench giving this as one example. Here is one of the post:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@icoethics/idacpro-scam-ico-project

WE MUST BANNED ICOBENCH FOREVER.
I WISH ICOBENCH WILL SHUTDOWN FOREVER

TODAY We managed to call the attention of some "experts" and they removed their ratings. - falling from 4.0 to 2.8
They said they were unaware of scam and ICOBench never informed them, keeping them on the dark.

Read their comments:

BEFORE

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/b01.jpg

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/bench%2099.jpg



NOW:

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/b02.JPG

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/bench500.JPG

It shows how shallow their initial comments were, just blind endorsements (for money, probably).
Also the recommendation to "get more advisors if you want to be successful".... ::)
At best these self proclaimed experts and their views are not credible, at worst they are part of a corrupt self serving system.

I am not sure which picture should I look now.

Thomas Guo failed test, Guo Chao passed, linkedin profile shows name Guo Thomas Chao so how Thomas failed and Guo passed the same test??? It is quite strange that they passed KYC test 15 day after they failed it  :-\

Hopefully we will see video soon.

While we still waiting for a video (which will never be presented, of course.)

Another "expert" removed his ratings:


BEFORE

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/1h.jpg

AFTER

http://icoethics.com/imgs/idacpro/1f.JPG

@Xena_Xena's negative trust rating brought me here. Do you think the LivenPay ICO that he/she managed here is a scam too?

OLGA FOMINA is participating on Glyph Glyff (edited) project. He identity is uncertain. She submitted some suspicious pictures of herself to the forum. We have more questions for her but she refuses to come to the forum to answer them. Below is a lame excuse from OLGA FOMINA posted by Glyph Glyff (edited)team member:[/b]


Obviously, she is not interested to answer any accusation. as we all know how easy is to open a bitcointalk account.  Every project that she participates we will classify as suspicious project because she cannot be trusted. Now she is denying her participation on this scam (IDAC pro), but she had to submit her information to pass KYC. And it appears that she had to do a few times since she failed the first time and mysteriously passed later.

https://i.imgur.com/ljMwmuY.png

Ha, I didn't notice that she was involved with another project. Interestingly enough she uses the same name - Olga, although I remember investigating this case and have come up with a different name - Alesya Dovlatova (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5059552.msg48277759#msg48277759). How did she pass KYC after failing multiple times? Oh well, I think we are all passed that time we believed in ICOBench KYC procedures.


It's Glyff. :P

Thank you for correcting the name of the project. We are also interested to know how did she pass KYC after failing.
There is a scam accusation against them  here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107068.0), which still open.
Interesting that Olga's LinkedIn profile doesn't have anything about her books. https://www.linkedin.com/in/olga-fomina-55197a174/
https://i.imgur.com/LKqgEM2.png https://i.imgur.com/nj7TNyZ.png

Thanks for the link. I noticed some pictures are provided as proof of her identity. Can someone from Russia please confirm how many years passports are valid for? Passport photo shows issue date 2006. Internet says 10 years which means passport has expired and the girl is without a valid passport for over two years. Strange.

I made a comparison between the passport photograph and pictures found online, AWS points to around 90% match, which is not great... but I'd probably accept that as a match (given the age difference between the photos). The use of two different names though...still a mystery.