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Title: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 14, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
Recently, Kai-Fu Lee, Sinovation Ventures chief executive officer stated that Elon Musk is wrong about a potential AI danger, and to be truthful,  I want to agree with him because… isn't Elon working on the development of cognitive technologies as well?
Seems to me like Musk is a hypocrite...


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Vod on November 14, 2018, 10:10:00 PM
Recently, Kai-Fu Lee, Sinovation Ventures chief executive officer stated that Elon Musk is wrong about a potential AI danger, and to be truthful,  I want to agree with him because… isn't Elon working on the development of cognitive technologies as well?
Seems to me like Musk is a hypocrite...

I don't think AI will ever cause a problem for humanity - because humanity won't be around.  :/


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Sherwood_Archer on November 15, 2018, 12:47:45 AM
Recently, Kai-Fu Lee, Sinovation Ventures chief executive officer stated that Elon Musk is wrong about a potential AI danger, and to be truthful,  I want to agree with him because… isn't Elon working on the development of cognitive technologies as well?
Seems to me like Musk is a hypocrite...
Could you provide some links that we could read so that we can have more context about the topic that you are talking about?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: niko337 on November 15, 2018, 03:39:43 AM
AI... if used properly, it can definitely benefit people. However, in every generation, all good things invented that benefitted the world. But still there are people who will use the good thing for evil intent.

Take for example, a plane. It is used to carry people quick and effectively. However there is also danger of turbulence and accidents. Worse still, people with evil intent use it to crash into buildings.
Nevertheless plane companies take every measure to improve on their products.

Same thing shld apply to AI. It has to be constantly be improved to serve better. No doubt there will always be evil people who may want to use AI otherwise.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Cloudy on November 15, 2018, 03:47:58 AM
Don't you think its too early to think about Skynet, Cyberdyne and Rise of the Machines? First let it make just one its own decision, and then we will see, what should we do )))


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: HighlanderToken on November 15, 2018, 03:55:57 AM
AI can make potential mistakes we already know that, in that persepective alone harm could be done. Its our code that first creates AI, programming error's have killed before. An old example is Therac-25.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: maxou8524 on November 15, 2018, 04:21:21 AM
Can you provide more details to their history that's linked to a website.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Lintormi on November 15, 2018, 07:59:18 AM
If it is properly used then it will benefit. It is only in the movies there is such nonsense. And at the expense of Elon Musk, I think that everyone can be wrong and he, including


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: orange_marmalade on November 15, 2018, 08:47:05 AM
Unlike the cognitive abilities of a human being with emotion being a factor in our decision making, AI would not have that same decision making factor therefore the AI would act logically in any situation regardless of remorse, but I hope the coding would make it not resort to violence and lethality. 


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: thirsten on November 15, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
Yes he's developing the Neuralink but with new technologies come new risks and potential for the immoral to take advantage.

Ultimately, I think it will solve more problems for people than it will create. Technology always does..But nothing is free of risk, unfortunately.

There are ways to mitigate the risk (mostly referring to ability to be controlled/data security) in the coming age of living predominantly virtual lives.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Zayn_Nazy on November 15, 2018, 01:53:31 PM
I think he is trying to call people against developing AI from other companies so he can do it alone.  ;D


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: CristianOff on November 15, 2018, 02:12:06 PM
So much hate here. You guys are either very jealous or have nothing else to do. What Elon Musk said about AI is his personal perception. He NEVER said that AI is bad for humanity but rather dangerous because of its risks.

Imagine the world run by the AI. What if AI would affect the dissemination of information? It becomes information manipulation and I'm sure you are going to trust the AI. Why trusting? Because you assume it's never wrong.

In case of a war, what do you think about autonomous panzers or autonomous terrorism? Is that not very risky? The current terrorism is simple: you send a Kamikaze and that's it. With artificial intelligence, you send your robot kamikaze and it never stops until someone does it. Who can stop it? Superman? Spiderman? It will be Elon Musk for sure  ;D

Not my quote but I modified it a little so here what I have: "The AI is programmed to do something beneficial, but if it develops a destructive method for achieving its goal, you are devastated. "

I am currently in university and my knowledge and skills allow me to understand the science behind artificial intelligence. This means that I could develop an AI which writes my paper/assignment/coursework/PHD based on previous papers/assignments/coursework/PHDs. Would that be beneficial? It would definitely help me save hundreds of hours but obviously it is against the humanity.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: raatnak on November 15, 2018, 03:27:59 PM
You just pointed out yourself that Elon has some experience in this sphere. So unfortunately, he probably isn`t wrong about AI.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 15, 2018, 10:12:00 PM
You just pointed out yourself that Elon has some experience in this sphere. So unfortunately, he probably isn`t wrong about AI.

I did but it would be common sense for someone who's advocating against the technology not to develop it for financial gains. If AI was really that bad, don't you think that Musk would have kept away from it? To tell the truth, I think it was a ruse to discourage his competitors.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 15, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
Could you provide some links that we could read so that we can have more context about the topic that you are talking about?

There you go pal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-10-22/kai-fu-lee-says-elon-musk-wrong-about-ai-danger-video.
And needless to say that Musk has been an open critic of AI development, yet his Neuralink project is moving forward. Is AI really that bad or is the guy confused?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 15, 2018, 10:30:50 PM
So much hate here. You guys are either very jealous or have nothing else to do. What Elon Musk said about AI is his personal perception. He NEVER said that AI is bad for humanity but rather dangerous because of its risks.

Imagine the world run by the AI. What if AI would affect the dissemination of information? It becomes information manipulation and I'm sure you are going to trust the AI. Why trusting? Because you assume it's never wrong.


I'll tell you that nobody is hating on Musk but he must be consistent with his thoughts. AI can either be good or bad. Many keep complaining that it might be a tool to spy on people yet the technology is developing at a very fast rate. So which one is it?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: joker6756 on November 16, 2018, 03:49:33 PM
He could. But my guess would be that he is most likely right about it since he has some work in this sphere. We`ll see.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: gaslyant on November 16, 2018, 03:55:43 PM
Recently, Kai-Fu Lee, Sinovation Ventures chief executive officer stated that Elon Musk is wrong about a potential AI danger, and to be truthful,  I want to agree with him because… isn't Elon working on the development of cognitive technologies as well?
Seems to me like Musk is a hypocrite...

He is not against working on it, he says we should set up the rules before something dangerous happens rather than waiting for it.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 16, 2018, 11:08:29 PM
Unlike the cognitive abilities of a human being with emotion being a factor in our decision making, AI would not have that same decision making factor therefore the AI would act logically in any situation regardless of remorse, but I hope the coding would make it not resort to violence and lethality. 

Are you thinking about Ultron? Because, if we create our AIs according to our characteristics, then how to predict what might happen once they become fully autonomous?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 16, 2018, 11:22:19 PM
He could. But my guess would be that he is most likely right about it since he has some work in this sphere. We`ll see.

Yes... Makes total sense. Warns others about the dangers of cognitive technologies, yet exploits it for his own financial gain... Isn't it a ruse to discourage his competitors?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: axel20 on November 16, 2018, 11:40:41 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with being at least a little worried about AI.  It has great potential, but there is also great danger.  Many scientists are worried about the possible sentience of AI.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Andrea9000 on November 18, 2018, 01:02:07 PM
I would like to survive until the time when artificial intelligence becomes a threat to mankind. It would be interesting to look at it before death. Such an attraction. Last)


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 19, 2018, 11:55:12 PM
I would like to survive until the time when artificial intelligence becomes a threat to mankind. It would be interesting to look at it before death. Such an attraction. Last)

There's a bit of funny in your phrase but I think it's really important for us to ensure we have the right infrastructures in place to prevent a virtual disaster that will impact the real world and potentially kill us all.
But, how would we know that our systems are resilient?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: ClassyDancer on November 20, 2018, 12:28:12 AM
I think Musk is an eccentric person, but is quite consistent with his thoughts. If you follow him on Twitter, he’s just a pro-tech guys who’s a future-thinker. And didn’t one of his Tesla features (some kind of defense mode) which people initially thought was gimmicky, ended up helping people during the CA wildfires? He’s an innovative person and seemingly knows what we need before we even realize it.

And yeah, he’s working on Neuralink –something that will make us superhuman. What do you think about that?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 20, 2018, 12:51:52 AM
I think Musk is an eccentric person, but is quite consistent with his thoughts. If you follow him on Twitter, he’s just a pro-tech guys who’s a future-thinker. And didn’t one of his Tesla features (some kind of defense mode) which people initially thought was gimmicky, ended up helping people during the CA wildfires? He’s an innovative person and seemingly knows what we need before we even realize it.

And yeah, he’s working on Neuralink –something that will make us superhuman. What do you think about that?


Don't get me wrong, I want the era of super and immortal humans to come but I think it's hypocritical of Elon Musk to warn about the dangers of a technology he's exploiting. I am just grateful that nobody took him seriously in that regard: There are now plenty of projects on digital immortality, so soon we'll be able to live in a supercomputer. Exciting, huh?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Serena_M on November 20, 2018, 10:04:25 AM
I don't see it becoming a threat to whole humanity (at least not anytime soon), but as it's still programmed by a man himself, then without doubts some errors will happen and we cannot see what the outcome of that will be. Just fingers crossed that it will do more good than harm.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: flametoken on November 20, 2018, 11:25:05 AM
Could you provide some links that we could read so that we can have more context about the topic that you are talking about?

There you go pal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-10-22/kai-fu-lee-says-elon-musk-wrong-about-ai-danger-video.
And needless to say that Musk has been an open critic of AI development, yet his Neuralink project is moving forward. Is AI really that bad or is the guy confused?

I think precisely because he is a critic of the AI development he is working on Neuralink. He thinks that, by having a direct connection between brain and computer, we thwart the AI doomsday predictions, because the AI will be an extension of us and we will be in a symbiotic state. This is Elon's way of insuring that AI won't destroy humanity.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Michael_Cox on November 20, 2018, 05:05:31 PM
Unlike the cognitive abilities of a human being with emotion being a factor in our decision making, AI would not have that same decision making factor therefore the AI would act logically in any situation regardless of remorse, but I hope the coding would make it not resort to violence and lethality. 

That description reminds me of a psychopath, who feel no such remorse when they did something wrong. Assuming we are talking of an AI that can think on its own, it makes me think if AI will be like that. They are intelligent, even more intelligent than the smartest human, but they are incapable of empathy.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 20, 2018, 07:36:50 PM
Could you provide some links that we could read so that we can have more context about the topic that you are talking about?

There you go pal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-10-22/kai-fu-lee-says-elon-musk-wrong-about-ai-danger-video.
And needless to say that Musk has been an open critic of AI development, yet his Neuralink project is moving forward. Is AI really that bad or is the guy confused?

I think precisely because he is a critic of the AI development he is working on Neuralink. He thinks that, by having a direct connection between brain and computer, we thwart the AI doomsday predictions, because the AI will be an extension of us and we will be in a symbiotic state. This is Elon's way of insuring that AI won't destroy humanity.

Well, I am all for technological progress and applaud the many projects on AI development, but I still maintain that Musk statements were part of a FUD strategy. At the end of it, it's just a matter of making money.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Nesferattu on November 23, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
Of course can, he is a person, and any person, can be mistaken


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Ladysmith on November 23, 2018, 10:50:25 AM
Everything can be considered dangerous, it depends on how it's used. Water is necessary for life. Too much at once could kill you.

AI will be extremely powerful, which is why it is imperative that it's used correctly. (not for war or crime).

Most people are hypocrites to some extent. It's only human to say one thing and do another. Elon Musk is also human, contrary to popular belief. Maybe he knows that singularity is inevitable, so he wants to make it as beneficial as possible so that humans can keep up. This is the nature of the neuralink. If you can' beat 'em, join 'em.





Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: warhog15 on November 23, 2018, 11:04:18 AM
Anyone can be right and can be wrong. But Elon is a very focus and determined guy. So even if he is wrong, I am sure that he will find a way to make it right.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 23, 2018, 10:46:31 PM
Everything can be considered dangerous, it depends on how it's used. Water is necessary for life. Too much at once could kill you.

AI will be extremely powerful, which is why it is imperative that it's used correctly. (not for war or crime).

Most people are hypocrites to some extent. It's only human to say one thing and do another. Elon Musk is also human, contrary to popular belief. Maybe he knows that singularity is inevitable, so he wants to make it as beneficial as possible so that humans can keep up. This is the nature of the neuralink. If you can' beat 'em, join 'em.


My point exactly. And if he's so worried about any potential danger that may come with AI development, why not focus on creating the infrastructures needed to prevent it from happening instead of discouraging his competitors?


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: scheascha on November 26, 2018, 03:32:31 PM
The fact that Elon is working in this sphere himself only makes me more afraid that he is right about. That means he got some knowledge and perspective that people like us dont.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 27, 2018, 12:33:43 AM
The fact that Elon is working in this sphere himself only makes me more afraid that he is right about. That means he got some knowledge and perspective that people like us dont.

Right... just like those who are centralizing cryptos. Discouraging others from getting involved in a promising technological project for humanity.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: joker6756 on November 29, 2018, 03:17:40 PM
So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 30, 2018, 12:41:20 AM
So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

Not wrong but hypocritical to say the least.
Furthermore tech companies are the least transparent firms. If it was bad, they would have not invested in digitizing everything including intelligence that could potentially destroy us, so they say.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: Emily_Davis on November 30, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

Not wrong but hypocritical to say the least.
Furthermore tech companies are the least transparent firms. If it was bad, they would have not invested in digitizing everything including intelligence that could potentially destroy us, so they say.

What's wrong with digitizing things, including intelligence? Human intelligence, to be exact? If it can be possible in the future and it can extend the lives of the people then what's the harm? Besides, it's not like the man is using your money to maked these technology but his own, right? It might be too SciFi for a lot of people, but what if it really can be achieved? Think about it.


Title: Re: Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?
Post by: JealousCup on November 30, 2018, 11:21:35 PM
So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

Not wrong but hypocritical to say the least.
Furthermore tech companies are the least transparent firms. If it was bad, they would have not invested in digitizing everything including intelligence that could potentially destroy us, so they say.

What's wrong with digitizing things, including intelligence? Human intelligence, to be exact? If it can be possible in the future and it can extend the lives of the people then what's the harm? Besides, it's not like the man is using your money to maked these technology but his own, right? It might be too SciFi for a lot of people, but what if it really can be achieved? Think about it.

Nothing wrong with it at all. I just think technology should be exploited by projects that have values and transparency regarding their activities.