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"I told you so" comes to mind.

I warned everyone in here again and again in the beginning of 2018.

Get out of Bitcoin as fast as you can to limit your losses.

Everytime so-called "experts" and "investors" in here said to HODL. Bitcoin would soon go to the moon.

Only the most blind and stupid still believe Bitcoin will ever recover.

The sooner you get out, the smaller your loss. If you wait, you can be sure the loss will be even bigger.

Blockchain technology has a great future, but cryptocurrencies - any crypto -  are a dead end.

Has anything in history ever gone to the moon?

[ There is actually a name for the hysteria that BITCOIN saw in 2017, its called a parabolic rise, and they all end the same, in collapse. ]

Has it ever been easy for morons to get rich?

Has anyone ever seen a 'rich moron'? A rich Idiot? A rich fool? They simply don't exist in the real-world.

In the entire history of investing have you ever heard a trading-genius to say "HODL"? What they say is buy-low, sell-high, and cut your losses, and let your profits run.

BTC has defied 5,000 years of human investing is the outcome any surprise? That a bunch of newb kids have lost their ass, thinking that this generation was 'different'?

I really think most commenters and posters here are bot's, if you look at the low content, and especially if you post links the there is no context, one classic tell-tale of a bot is they never read the links, just respond based on text in the comment.

The exchanges need fresh blood new suckers to pump&dump Bitcoin, sadly BTC has had its day in the sun, you don't lose $250 Billion USD in capitalization and shug that kind of stuff off, the simple fact, is who the hell is going to step in and BUY this virtual crap?

It's a fitting end, BITCOIN is what it is, and it will stick around, it will find a mean reversion base value that will settle in, eventually the get-rich-quick crowd will move-on and pimp something else to a new generation of suckers.


I like the fact that the speculators get washed out, then BTC can revert to what it was originally intended just a way for people to transmit money,

So what's blockchain technology without bitcoin and cryptocurrency.  There has been no time that prices went up without it going down as such that is happening now.  Good coins will recover and never die.  This will really be a test of value and quality such that only good ones will survive this time.  Hodl for your personal reasons,  at the end you won't lose even if price dips. 

There are plenty of blockchain solutions and tool which do not use crypto currencies at all.

Blockchain does not need crypto.

Wow,lots of hatred about bitcoin and the crypto world.OP,did you lost any money due to the crypto price crash?Let me tell you something.Hodlers lose only if they decide to sell at a price that is lower than the price they have bought btc.If some guy had bought bitcoins at 200 USD back in 2014 and he is still holding,he can sell those btc at a big profit,even if the bitcoin price crashes to 2K USD.

Most people in here are naive fools who bought when the hype was strong - stupidly believeing about going to the moon and getting rich quick.

Most people who bought at 200 USD in 2014 have already sold a large part of that to the fools at rates much much higher and have a comfortable life with their fiat profits paid for by the suckers who are still Bitcoin believers in here

Holders can be defeated if they do not have patience, without the patience of the holder, it will only be a loss because they are trapped panic in this decline. Calm down and keep on holding, and bitcoin can certainly increase high.

Is i sick After all, I popularly explained to people back in February that they would fall, and to me, you are a fool. OK, I went in June and poked everyone in shit, I’m again - you are a fool, there will be a rebound, 30k in the fall. WELL, OK. So autumn has come. I just went to see the millionaires, what, yachts, business jets, floors in skyscrapers bought off? And millionaires eat up a little and continue to buy ...

True, only a fool will not sell when profit is at hand.  The problem with people is that they think Bitcoin will steadily go up so they aim for the highest possible profit but little that they know that price fluctuates and crash.  Then they are trapped within that crash that ending them to hold until they can see a decent profit.  There is no harm in hodling but we must know why and when.

Even when market is red, you only lose if you sell. Cryto market is cyclical, there's no secret that sooner or later it will recover and if you had patience and hold your coins you will not be in loss.

Blockchain is part of technology and the last 20-30 years technology grown a lot.

(bitcoin, blokchain and cryptocurrency) they are interrelated with each other and they will remain forever, regarding the problem of decreasing bitcoin now we can take it back if we have capital, the base price has shown $ 3700 and has passed, this recovery will not happens in an instant but it takes time to land, I personally still believe

You are a fool, anytime you're in the red you are losing. lol, I guess when BTC returns below $1000 you still isn't at a loss since you didn't sell. How about just holding it forever and never sell even if it goes to $10. You still not at a loss huh? Wow, the mindset of you idiots.

Bitcoin had dropped price before and still recover so I don't see reason in your post well only pro investors would understand the benefits of holding and taking advantage of the current situation

One truth about hodlers loosing out is because they decided  to loose. Selling and not holding is an option. You refuse to hodl when its low and decide to sell when its low you loose. Hodl when its low and sell when it raises you gain.

Bitcoin, in the end, was never to be used as a store value, or to create wealth, so you can not say that the cryptos have already reached their end, because regardless of the price of btc will always be useful as a system of payments and transfers, if they get to stabilize the price, that will be the main use that it will have.

I advise you to read about the Bitcoin history
There have been further declines
In far more violent corrections
Many people like you came out of the market
They lost their money
before the currency should rise again.

How could such thought come into your mind?? ;D

If you didn't mention the whole market is in a butt now, but it doesn't mean it is dying. Have you ever checked the story of Bitcoin?
Didn't you mention that it had losses already. Stop turning people into panic. We'll return what we've invested and even more.
Such things don't happen in few seconds.

Hey, take it easy, maybe we lose this fight, but the war isn't over yet.

Holding is a patience thing, the recipe is 5 years holding to see a real profit, isn't one thing to become rich in a couple of days, so for those who are under panic right now, let's be patient, we all will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks for your warning and I appreciate that you care for us.  :)

But no hell way that I'm going to sell my bitcoins to limit my losses, even the market isn't shaping well I'm still in profit. Why? I bought some while it was under $1,000 so that makes sense.

Call me the most blind and stupid people that you ever met here in the forum, there's nothing wrong with it. But I've proven that holding do work for those people that's long on it. A pessimist would always be a pessimist and an optimist shall remain as is.

Good news it is. Not that long ago people were still convinced the price would hit $20,000 before the end of the year, and now they are bears. The more trash talk, the more fear, the more Bitcoin's doesn't work hurr durr, the more bullish hodlers become about the short term. Tom Lee & Co are an absolute plague to this ecosystem with their retarded way of thinking and predictions.

Corrections are wake up calls for the stupid to understand that chasing easy money results in losses. Looking at how valuable altcoins still are, we may have some room to the downside to shake out the most persistent bagholders. Let it drop.

Why are Crypto-Currencies over and Bitcoin won't recover anymore? We are facing a crisis in Crypto market, but there is still hope and it's very probable it's a temporary phase, like all the others we have seen so far in this Crypto experience. It goes up, what doesn't mean it will skyrocket to the moon and it goes down, what doesn't mean Bitcoin is going to die. However I admit there is a little chance you could be right (everything is possible), but I really hope you are wrong.

Hodler's lose but not in all situation i think. As for my experienced i also hodl a coin and get what i need, probably we should think first before hodl, whether what we hodl has the potential if that coin is to rise its price or not, if not we should sell or trade it right away while we have profit.

I really hope you are one of the remnants of fomo army and you will surrender and march out from BTC. Ok... if its dead, then bye! + If you area a sage then u made some nice profit didnt you, hence why the crying here?  ;D

Yea as the old members stated, there were bigger dips and there was the same blabla. + Dont forget we were besieged by Governments, Banks, Media, Politicians, but we SURVIVED. + Institutional money didn't enter yet.

You again, now you want a prize, is that? Is for us to say: "oh, Lord, you know everything, we should listen to you, your crystal ball was right, and now we're going to give up bitcoin" the stranger in all this is that you do not believe in bitcoin, but still in a bitcoin forum, What the hell are you doing here on the forum?


many people buy bitcoin and if you do not like bitcoin, so what are you doing here in the forum? What is the currency of success you have created? It's easy to criticize when you have not even made any coin of success, create something better than bitcoin then come here criticize bitcoin

link to your last post ?

Those sold their coins in the late 2017 or beginning of the 2018 made profits. But it doesn't mean those who are still holding will be definetly losers.
I am sure many of those sellers will be the buyers very soon.

He is the guy who makes lots of topics about BTC = shit/dead lol.

Some of his topics:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5078066 (HODL'ers lose. That is no surprise)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3300853 (Bitcoin is like Myspace - and will be abandoned like Myspace)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3233897 (Bitcoin is a tax)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2940492 (There is no FUD. There is only denial.)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2940048 (Bitcoin is like cancer-pill, almost worthless)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2863313 (Make-believe toy money (Bitcoin) is coming to an end)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2804420 (Face up to reality: The game is over)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2654135 (Bitcoin investors are like children)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2653447 (Investing in Bitcoin now is the same as stealing)

Your thread is so funny, yes we know the price of bitcoin and other altcoin is dump so much, and for me, its ok, im not panic, I take advantage of this moment to buy more. And about dump so much, this already happened several years ago. I trust crypto so i will buy more, surely in the future the price is unpredictable. I join in crypto not only for profits, but because the technology

Holders will just lose if they sell their assets at dip price, no one knows what will happen in the future but right now bitcoin needs our support he need an investors to recover very soon, dont be nega bro just trust cryptocurrency especially bitcoin, make your self always positive nothing good will happen to you if you have a negative mindset.

even though currently the holder loses but my hope is in the future where bitcoin prices can grow, I believe in the value of bitcoin that can grow so I will still wait for the price to rise high.

how can you say crypto are a dead end, when the current price is still very much higher than 4 years ago? the losses suffered by investors today are a risk of the greed they have. their ambition to get rich in one night plunged them into a very bad situation. A substantial price increase at the end of 2017 is something that is actually unnatural and must be anticipated, and it is true that in 2018 the crypto market, especially bitcoin, has experienced a decline in prices, which is very reasonable.

if the HODLers were actually losing then we would have seen a lot of them posting nonsense like you here but we have never seen someone who has invested in bitcoin for long term after using his brain to complain about it. instead what we see is newbie day traders who lose money like you and come here and complain masking it with nonsense like blaming holders because they lost money :D

I dont think hodlers are losing anything as long as they not sell it yet, there are big chance that bitcoin still able to recover, if you are holder from the early adopter then you already got huge profit, and for the one that bought from peak price, then you need to wait for longer period to able to make profit

well there are some (bitcoin destroyed me folks here in this talk)

Holders learned a very expensive lesson, they know should use common sense next time they see an asset moving its price beyond any natural growth.

Yeah, "those experts" and "investors" were cashing-out all its bitcoin and therefore hurting all the Holder but something it's true if you were holding since the beginning of 2016-2017 and selling at the end of 2018 you have made a lot of money. So, in the end, it's not a bad advice.

You just need to know the timing, When to hold, and when to sell, it doesn't matter if you don't sell at the top, but at least to sell a portion when you see a growth like that again.

Ah, I waited for the forum Troll to show it's ugly head and he did not fail to crawl out of his cave, when the priced dropped again.  ::)

You are very predictable and this "Bitcoin is bad" shenanigans are really getting old now, so why are you still trying? <or are you getting paid to spread this rubbish?>

You know that we have seen several crashes like this before and this is nothing new to us, right? Bitcoin will bounce back again and when it does, you will be silent again.  ::)

really there is not much benefit of doing hodl, especially of bitcoin, strategies have to evolve with the market, now the best thing is to move to the sides and make trading, that is the only thing that can guarantee us a gain in this volatility.

It is not being stupid to hold and never cut losses when there is time. We do not predict what really have to happen that is why we still believe on the recovery. It doesn't mean we do not listen but we have our own decision to decide what to do with it. It is not stupid when you are still calm and holding and continue to invest with it.

I don't think it's even necessary to say that HODLers lose, because if you are still HODLing now, just hold it, don't sell it, it's not the end, just think about all the possible outcomes, last year was a different end game, the price marched into its highest point and what we are seeing now is totally different from what we've seen last year, and for HODLers and investors don't think of this as the end of BTC don't fall into the words of these jokers and deceivers.

Where such a negative to bitcoin? Do you really think that almost all people on this forum are fools because they hold bitcoin? Far from it. Bitcoin has already shown what it is capable of in the long run. Those who are now crying about what needs to sell in order not to lose their money then they will be very sorry when the market will recover and the price of bitcoin will be also high.

Who said HODLERS lose? Well it is up to you. It is situational. If you just hold and not sell, youll lose what? If you are not going to sell what in your hand, youll lose nothing. You will lose if the price of the coin was lower than your investment. Youll just lose if you sell it that time. Think about it

It is normal to lose in trading but losing much of our capital is not normal. We need to take a risk in this industry specially nowadays that the market is full of red. I tend to quit but I want to fulfill my dreams. And I see it in cryptocurrency. Don't say it will be the dead end because everything just got started. Imagine, SEC and biggest companies are already join the growing industry of crypto. Few more years, it will be legalized.

Dont you think that losing is a part of investing? We are not blind to see that bitcoin can still recover. Holders are still believing in bitcoin unlike you who give up just because of losing. Well its your choice , you may regret it soon.

That is because the masses started to say "HODL" when the prices were extremely expensive, when bitcoin was higher than $10,000

That is a shame, and i am sorry for all those that bought higher than those ranges, but what are we going to do? just hold.

There is no reason to sell at a 50%, 80% loss from what you bought

That is the truth

There are two principal schools here,

1.) old-skool, we got our btc for free 2009->2013, I concur if you don't care about money, there is no point to sell, HODL on until you die, ... :)

2.) new-skool, post 2014 get rich quick criminal types, and exchanges, ... came to bitcoin and pumped&dumped and in 2017 it went to the moon, since these newbs ONLY cared about money, and they didn't have any money, well they bought BTC on credit card, since their game was to make money HODL is the worst possible decision they could have made,

Old skool types were employed scientists and such, had a good job, and are not motivated to 'speculate'

The new skool types are largely uneducated morons, and they were speculators, and they should have followed the tried and true basis of speculation which is ...

1.) buy-low, sell-high
2.) cut your losses ( avoid gamblers ruin problem )
3.) let your profits run, but always take your profits, always remove money from the table before you go to sleep

HODL is the worst thing you can tell a moron to do, sadly it goes both ways the majority criminals that now control and operate bitcoin, know exactly what they're doing by telling morons to BUY&HOLD

people hold money because money is being distributed by a capitalist that builds something, they support capitalists like state bankers because they do investments into good things.

It is not necessary to talking about holding no need every situation time. Actually holding of course needed every time ,when Bitcoin market goes to big down.if we will get more profitable cross simple task then of course holding need.many people have believe Bitcoin market will rais again but actually need some/more time.

Lol.

Authentic frontier jibberish, ... blazing saddles ...

HODL cuz misery loves company

Holding in bitcoin is good.  Patience is required in business for success. Hodlers loose only when they run out of patience.

HODLers lose? I don't know. But as far as my experience is concerned, that is quite the opposite. When I entered in the world of cryptocurrency, I was just like every newbie. I was naive. I was easily emotional. I looked and checked on my portfolio almost every minute of the day. And the moment there is a bloodbath, I would sell. I lost a huge amount of investment because of such attitude. And then I learned to HODL. That's the time when I matured a bit. And that's the time when I earned a good amount.

In all ponzi's the people who got in early, got out early, got rich

The people who came in late, and held, lost all

Anything new here?


NOPE

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Lastly let me say, I like bitcoin the C++ source, but I hate the criminals that came to bitcoin post 2014 and turned it into a PONZI scam.

I guess this is just an act of advice for OP to sell your holding and fill his buy order.  Anyway, BTC has never been this successful before, even though it is in red but the fact that institution are beginning to accept it, regulate it and adopt it is a great sign that BTC is on the right path.  The market today will be a bloody history but in the future, we will look at this as a test for the strong hand.  Hodler will never lose if they knew what they are doing and know what they are holding and why they are holding.

The PONZI is  a PYRAMID, those at the top of the pyramid may never lose, if they got their BTC for free, or less than $100.

The people who came in late, and paid $1,000 USD or more for BITCOIN will lose all in time, and they will be hurt.

Once a Ponzi deflates, they never reflate.

Successful? Let's see a 10 year old Ponzi-scheme that effected the entire earth, this never happened before ever, only the internet made an 'international ponzi possible',  I don't blame bitcoin, it could have been any virtual-cabbage-patch-doll, once the criminals saw an opening, they exploited it,

Sadly, in time BITCOIN will be blamed for the CRIME/PONZI, and not the criminals, its the nature as they can always hire the best lawyers with YOUR MONEY.

a better example is those people who have been accumulating bitcoin at $200 to $250 range and then price fell down to $150. none of them really lose any money unless they fell for the idiotic FUD and panic sold their precious bitcoins.

currently we are in the same situation. people who have been accumulating in $6000-$7000 range have not really lost any money unless they fell for the FUD and panic sold. and you will soon see their profit when the whales stop manipulating.

yes it's stupid and silly who calls holding lose. those who will lose are careless people and cannot be patient with coins held. yes indeed the price is currently bad, but I am sure if it continues to hold it for sure someday if there is an increase it will definitely get more profit.

It's no surprise that those panic sellers will surely lose in this volatile investment and those have patience will survive as long as they will not sell their bitcoin at losing price. This will bounce back at the right time and nothing to worry about this downfall as this will be ended once we have a good news to start a green market.

dont sit and watch prices all day ,there more  other markets where you can make money.big money came in 2017 and left 2018 ,they moved in other markets like stocks forex indices and etc ,value your time dont waste it just keep moving on where  money goes and come back when  crypto uptrend is confirmed 

I have read through so many replies and some ops are even saying blockchain operate independently of bitcoin and the blockchain have other features aside the operation of cryptographic, and a took my study further and discovered that cryptographic is the process of solving mathematical code and the blockchain is the engine room for this process. So the blockchain can not survive without bitcoin now back to the discussion hodling bitcoin for a long time is good and one should not term hodlers as fools or people who are not smart enough to get out when the price was still high, some people have a fixed time for they investment and in that way they will never sale no matter what the price is. Bitcoin is going to recover again but that will take time and no one can predict when that will be since bitcoin is a volatile commodity.

Im a holder too, not just bitcoins but also with other cryprtos. Maybe the other  cryptos seems to fall and will soon have no value at all but as to bitcoin, this is a different matter. Bitcoin is still the its number spot , maybe at this moment its really a mess for it but as history told itself, soooner it will have its comeback. Maybe not in a snap of our magic wand, but slowly baby step. Same with the other popular coins out there. It is just part of the movement of the market. Patience is still the best way to have.

yeah i think just wait for 3 - 6 month on my TA with Indicator RSI And MACD
and i hope crypto make an bullrun after we were rally for a long time and lost big money for it

There was very little capitalization ( a few million )  pre-2014 so it was easy for bitcoin to go up 100%, or down -100% & back-up. Bouncing $100-$200 is easy on a poker table with a small capitalization.

But now for bitcoin to go back up it would have to go up 1000%, and that my friends is a mathematical impossibility, as the $800 BILLION USD that evaporated  this year isn't coming back to the table,

For BTC to bounce back up, where in the hell is the new money supposed to come from?? Millions of people got burnt, and lost their wealth on the last bitcoin parabolic rise, who in the hell is going to BRING BIG MONEY BACK to a casino rigged by common criminals?

This is indeed another thread of hatred towards bitcoin, the only way a holder lose out is ,if the project died or if he or she decide to sell off at a lower price ,if not then no loss Here at all

Any crypto？ So do you think Bitcoin will also be a dead end? Ok, even though Bitcoin has been dead more than 300 times, it is still alive.
If you think Bitcoin is so vulnerable, why are you coming here，at this Bitcoin forum?

I agree in your opinion cause it's up to you if you sell your coin now, we know the value is down so that you loss if you panic to sell it but if you hold it and wait for increasing you don't have to worry cause you never lose your investment.

Holding is for newbies who think without doing anything by just holding bitcoins you can become a billionaire by cashing out anytime you desire. But the truth is expert or those that made their money with crytpocurrency never hold but traded their crypto.

I completely disagree with you as holding is not just for newbies, but even experienced people cause they understand the importance of holding. The common mistake with holding is, people assume holders never sell we holders do sell, but only when the price is right. As we recently saw many people dumped their coins in looses, and many people like me decided to hodl and sell only when we're in profits. I would never indulge in trading of bitcoins as you're likely to burn your hands, due to it's volatile nature.

I disagree as well. For hodlers it maybe takes longer to make profits but as long as they just keep their coins they will not loose, only when they would panic sell. But a real hodler has balls of steel and just keep his coins.
Hodlers do not sell but in this current situation they shop cheap to profit again in some time.... anyway that's what I am doing. I m expanding my hodl portfolio...

Your statement is so crucial for the crypto market, what you need to know is that the crypto market does not always run well and every coin has a community that determines the value of the coin. crypto technology will change the market for the better and history has proven it, current value is not forever but in the future market will back normal again

I fully agree with you, because I am tired of hearing predictions about the collapse of Bitcoin. Why do these people come to Bitcoin, if they do not understand the elementary foundations of the market, they are not even enthusiasts, and those who want to get rich without losing anything without doing anything. I'm really sorry that there are many such people, because by selling Bitcoin on the way down, they make it a little weaker by acting together. This is very bad, but I hope that those who are know Bitcoin and believe in it will remain in place. I support, I make the portfolio thicker and just HODL...

If we are talking about "hodlers" who have been holding BTC for several years, then there is no way that anyone would lose. Even if someone bought at the top of the bubble in 2014, it now has a 300% profit. If we are talking about someone who keeps BTC for a year, he is not a "hodler" , but only a medium-term investor.

Is it worth reading this thread? HODLers don't lose until they sell, and by definition, they probably won't do that for another couple of years. In a couple of years Bitcoin will be worth considerably more than the current under-value. Well that's my opinion anyway.

Your opinion that blockchain technology does not need crypto is really debatable. This is because most blockchain based projects usually conduct ICOs to generate their own tokens and this has being the norm. I see crypto especially bitcoin as the driving force behind blockchain technology.

i got many defferant cripto coins but i dont think about it high....

Not until any Holder sells off his/her Bitcoin of cryptocurrencies, he's yet to actually be in any loss. So Holders may (not) be in nay loss depending on his decision during the dip.

It sounds like you may have lost rather a lot of money? If you jump into a market when it's already at the peak or near it, hoping for a massive rise then you are going to be disappointed. As another pointer has pointed out and i have on other threads if you bought when it was at say $200-1,000 then you are still showing a good profit.

One Bitcoin is still one Bitcoin! If you value your fiat, get out, or keep watching the fiat value getting lower and cry for it every day, because that's what you came here for. Not for the technology, not for the long term investment.
Long term thinking and seeing the big picture is what matters. Most people can't do it and never will, that's why most people are poor.

I wonder on what grounds you make such conclusions? This situation has happened more than once and people like you shouted loudly that everything needs to be sold and that the future of the cryptocurrency is not. And then? Every time, the same thing happens: the cryptocurrency depreciates by 80% and soars up again.

You won't know the future before you experience it, too soon to conclude Bitcoin is dead is not good, believe me, patience will produce sweet fruit in the future, Bitcoin go to the moon in the future.

At the beginning of this year, all cryptocurrencies had a high price. By this, I think that this year is considered a complete failure.

I am sure that in the future we are still waiting for the rise in the price of cryptocurrency, but I agree with you that Bitcoin has no future

Bitcoin never survive if it have no future as well as the entire crypto market.  For many years that crypto exist, we've never experience a zero value market for bitcoin, in fact it moves higher every year.  This means that bitcoin have a better future and it really change in the currency system.

I think most crypto investor suffering loss not only hodler. Beside that, i am believe hodler invest for long term and they will not selling at this moment. I dont think hodler loss because they are not selling their coin yet. Bitcoin is long term investment and it will be profitable

in 2018 there are many people that believe bitcoin will increase sharply, but in fact, we can see that the beginning of bitcoin is the worst time for investor and traders. the price of bitcoins decrease from 17000 to 8000 in a week.

I have to admit that this is really the worst situation for HODLers, the price is low, the price even stayed at this rate and that people are losing hope if there would even be a comeback, but the real HODLers will set their patience high, I know that the real HODLers here have benefited last year and I know that they won't let themselves be fooled about things like this.

This second such thread from you. See you in 2021 mate, let's see what happens to Bitcoin that year. I hope your opinion will change.

Holders usually win over the long term if they buy at a value. Just look at Warren Buffett and his investing lessons.

WoW OP, why you are saying like this?
How much money you have lost from crypto? did you rekt?  ;D

HODL is just for people who believe the potential of crypto. if you want to instant profit from crypto, why not join trading or airdrops?

Did you think that this is the end? The dropped that you are seeing is just part of the cycle of the cryptocurrency market. I am sure that the Hodlers are going to win in the near future.

all analysis is free, anyone can speculate, but you forget, bitcoin will not fall into the abyss if there is no correction, we see many new coin and token types appearing, this is downturn progress, investors run from bitcoin and join ICO programs, assess what is given by bitcoin, not saying bad

I got into this market at $ 19k bitcoin and suffered a very heavy loss

Holding is not for everyone and it has proven 8n so many ways that it's the best winning strategy in the Cryptocurrency market.
Holders are investors who holds a coin for a longer period of time like from 2years and above not the other way round.
Holders are winners everything being equal in this space.

if you sell your bitcoin on loss you will be loss if you don't sell you will be not loss,i think hold your bitcoin and wait for good time is nice strategy because crypto market will be rise soon or later and you will be regret your decision if you sell on loss

The market you choose to leave the cryptocurrency means you will lose your money forever!
HODL does not lose, the cryptocurrency will let you shut up sooner or later!
I continue to choose HODL and continue to choose to wait!

Not really!

Here are 4 instances why by hodling you'll always win.

Dot com bubble burst

Alot of early investors in companies like cisco, qualcomm and amazon sold a lot of stakes at the onset of the dot com bubble burst and only some of them held on to it and most of them are billionaires.

Bitcoin

Bitcoin too suffered from the bear market once and lot of impatient people sold their coins off and the ones who didn't became multi millionaires in 2017

https://imgur.com/a/DFMZhDn

Warren Buffet

He was a very smart investor and would often buy shares in companies when the prices were at an all time low and then would wait until they rose back up.

Rakesh Jujunwala

Often termed as the warren buffet of india he thrives on hodling. He bought a couple of shares in 1990 and held on to it for a very very long time and sold it for a very very high price.

These are just some of them that i am aware of but i'm pretty sure there are millions of such cases. Hodling will require a lot of patience and also some faith but always remember the golden rule
                                                                        " Hodlers never lose "

Losing or maybe gaining on crypto is not really surprising due to the unstable price of the crypto coin or maybe ICO tokens on the feild. I believe that anything may happen on the crypto feild because and anything may also happen  to our investment on the crypto feild. And that was not really surprising because it's price rise and fall almost everyday so the losses or maybe the profit that hodlers get from the feild is not really surprising. 

Can ask you ?if you have told people many times leave BTC and go what are you doing here now dont know whom about are talking saying some experts many people leaved BTC when there was long deeps like this and some like had said hodlers lose but in 2017 many understood how much they have lost leaving BTC  then. i belive BTC.

Not always holders lose. It depends on what you hold and the period. If you hold something valuable such as btc or eth, you won't lose in the long run.

Holder lose only if they have a weak hands and invested in a shitcoin,
Holders should know what they are aiming for holders are for a long term investment they would only lose if they would sell it now .

The thing is you haven't took any lost until you dump your low priced coins. You still lack understanding about cryptocurrencies. If you analyze the graph, there is also a history like this before and it just depends on you whether you give up or not.

portfolio day by day worthless but i think there no way to still keep holding definitely i say holders lose. Even some companies don't believe in crypto currencies and so they decide to transfer in equity base platform.

Meh.  In 2015 I told several people about bitcoin and its potential.  They all got back to me saying they asked knowledgeable people about it who said "don't bother it will not amount to anything".

LOL.  Guess I lost.  Here I am with a cash paid brand new farm house, Amish barn, 40 acres of land in the mountains, new tractor, new furniture, soapstone Vermont wood stove etc.  Will soon have a class new green house and solar panels.

Guess I was wrong for buying several hundred bitcoin at the time (and getting a like number of free bitcoin cash in August).

Still have half the bitcoin and bitcoin cash left.  I am hodling.

Hodlers always loose.  DO NOT hodler or you will end up like me.

Who told you that we are losing?stupidity is what you are pointing here lol

Remember that as long as we are holding our coins,we only lose the value of the said coins,but the volume is still indeed,so this means that the moment wr sell our coins thats the time that we become loser,so why need to sell if we can wait for longer lol

Logically No!! You only lose when you sell, but if you are making a comparison between the asset you have and the dollar, then you have lost! BUT ON THE SIDE OF THE DOLLAR, if you do not sell them off in anticipation of a bull then you are still in profit! One thing is HODLING another thing is WHAT YOU ARE HODLING!! If you go hodling on SHIT, your loses are sure a few steps from you, if you are hodling on something of great potential and value; possibly ETH, BTC etc, then you need not worry about loses

LOL, idiots on here think just because you hold something that has lost value means you haven't lost anything. LMAO!!! Yeah, the only thing you have truly lost is your minds. So for someone who bought BTC at 10K and BTC never goes to 10K again. No matter if they hold it for 20 yrs. They haven't lost anything? REALLY????

Mate, Nobody's saying that! It would reach 10K in sometime. Just have patience.

As I said before hodl is for people who dont need a quick profit its for long term investment 5 years I think is a short term hodl for me and 10 years is the maximum depends upon on the hodler so if you buy bitcoin and expecting to profit in atleast months then holding is not for you day trading may be the best strategy to earn quickly.  

I, as well as the author, urge you to think again and understand that they cannot earn everything in this market. withdraw your money as soon as possible

Hodlers will never run out, because most people are prone to FOMO and cannot hold back their emotions if the market falls, hoping for renewed growth. And in the case of Bitcoin, it is not yet known whether the current fall is final or is it just a correction on the monthly charts. I think that we are seeing a correction, and soon the uptrend will resume.

I think if you hodl your bitcoin until you have possible earn profit you not lose anything,, but if you sell it for cheap price than the original price, probably you have lose your invest in bitcoin. HOD'ers need patience and courage.

There will not be a true blockchain without cryptocurrency i guess. Frankly speaking your point are not surprised for those who are long term investors in cryptocurrency, there is no way a holder will lose his/her investment when he/she patiently HODL, so, kindly hodl for a better bull run in the nearest future.

HODLERS need to control their emotions, to be like ice, cold and emotionless. Not bating an eye, when shitforks threatening them or other big HODLERS. I am sure some made some nice profit with the BCH drama. Possibly Roger and Craig bought back some cheap coins, despite what they claim. Same goes for other big whales,investors, institutions, hedge funds.

yes, of course, there is not even a minute chance you sell now you will lose hold for higher retunes for the future.

I think everyone has their own beliefs in making choices for profit. For me holding will not lead us to dead ends and end losses, and even though it seems worrying at the moment, I am still convinced that crypto will be stable again.

Since when have companies ever dictated what the future of cryptocurrency will be? Those who "believed" and now gave up weren't believers, just passengers on the bandwagon. Those who do believe were into Bitcoin when it was at $100 and will probably be around if it ever somehow reached $100 again. Belief has very little to do with price, and everything to do with... belief!


In the last crash, there was a lot of apologist talk and a new enlightenment that it was blockchain, rather than Bitcoin, that would show the way to salvation. Cue Bitcoin's resurgence (and yes, it's still multiple times above 2016 value, by the way) and cue the fall of all other blockchain platforms and services that desperately cling on to Bitcoin's fate to guide their own.

But why convince people to stay? This is good for us. The culling is far from over.

The amount of stupidity on display by Bitcoin believers is infinite.....

But why did you decide that now we are seeing the end of bitcoin? I think this is just a turning point for him and overcoming it bitcoin will continue to grow and continue to develop his technology.

I think the bitcoin holders will never lose, even though we know that when prices tend to go down it doesn't mean the holders lose, it's just that now they need more time, the holders will never lose.

However, many still continue to believe in bitcoin, including me. He has a great future, as its technology to continue its development, and therefore the price will continue to develop, despite fluctuations.

I have no idea how anyone can think that the hodlers have lost anything. Everyone who has invested in the long term several years ago today enjoys a very large profit. Even people who bought BTC during the peak of the previous bubble still at the current price should be satisfied.

You are in vain doubting bitcoin because long-term investment is still profitable. And falling prices are not an indication of whether technology will live or die. I continue to keep bitcoin in my wallet and believe that the price will recover over time.

Holding is the perfect action for investors who are losing when the price drops and need more research about the coin if it is still has potential to grow for them to continue and not cut their lose immediately. It is necessary to gain lose when the price down, that is no surprise for that but have different strategy how they can maintain their profit and that needs more time to wait before it comes to the market again.

Blockchain is useless if bitcoin has end
Do not scared bitcoin will rise again if the decrease bottom price is rich
3000$ bottom crash after that bitcoin in the entire crypto currency begun to rise again
Do not convincing people sell their coins to stop huge loses
Everyone have an own mind what is bitcoin gives profits in the right time

I agree with you if bitcoin and crypto users could get out early from in 2018 they probably can minimize the lose. Now most of bitcoin users and crypto moan the same thing about the crypto decrease. Most altcoin including bitcoin are losing out the value, I wonder that this is the code or sign of bitcoin ending. Bitcoin and other major crypto probably will not maintain as blockchain technology.

In the end its an individuals choice on when to give up, investing is a matter of patience sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. We only live once, life without risk is boring. Too early to give up I should say, If you aim for long term setting a minimum for at least 2 years is better in my opinion.

Since the last few months, I've learnt that holding isn't the best approach to cryptocurrency rather occasional trading will help you cut losses and know when to make an exit.

What if bitcoin did able to reach up 30k on this year? For sure you wont really say such this thing you are talking now. Getting out is optional
yet each people do have its own view to BTC either he decides to hold no matter what would be the price as long he do believe on that potential
then I don't see anything wrong with that.

HODL'ers lost. That is not surprising. But it all depends on their attitude in controlling their emotions, especially when they are faced with the market situation as it is now. But I still believe, bitcoin will recover as usual even I am very sure that its value will grow better than now.

I think waiting won't result in loss, if we have a big heart, positive thoughts / mature and be patient. Hi OP, real  I don't care about your words.

hmm, i think you have a good point that said blockchain is the good system, but cryptocurreny is not, i think i like that statement, because we can try to put the blockchain technology in all things that we want to put it, not only in cryptocurrency, but all things that have the relation

Well maybe its a destiny that many holders are unfortunately did not earn for this year but what if this year is in favor for the holders and not for the weak hands? Well you still make a post about this? but maybe the holders be the one will mocking you. So i say this shows that crypto market is really unpredictable, that we don't know what will happen next.

You understand the market and you have gotten it right and I can bet you that 90% of those who are in crypto now get in 2017 and many have not seen much of this type dip before and thought the hodl is best but found themselves else where and this is a lesson for all , but can you tell us when bull return too?

Wise hodlers mostly gain good profit but takes a long time because I believe that in crypto we can be profitable if we have the virtue of patience and never expect a short time to be profitable for loses is always been a part of investment therefore the fate of hodlers come into two faces either to be profitable or nothing and its just a matter of gambling decision.

All you people who are gauging the value of Bitcoin by how many US dollars you can get for one, are douchebags plain and simple.
Whether you bought at $10 or $15000 US, that only matter to people who are thinking " oh if Bitcoin reaches $xx,xxx, I can sell it for US dollars and then buy all the stupid fucking toys I have always wanted. Then show off all my nice new clothing and toys to all my fake friends and I will be so cool "

Frankly it disgusts me.
1 Bitoin = 1 Bitcoin, end of story.... buy some for reasons bigger than ' you want to live a lifestyle ' or you.... I can't even finish my rant because this topic depresses me :(

I remember back in 2013 when I discovered Bitcoin, people only talked about mining, and how cool it was to say ' f off ' to banks
Those days are gone, and the main topic is ' how can I exploit Bitcoin to make more fiat money and spend fiat '

Well, I think it depends on how we manage our investments to Bitcoin. I myself has nothing to lose because I don't have funds to buy and hold for now or even before. Win or loss it is always part of the game of assets. Bitcoin on the other hand is not only an investment asset but a currency to be used most especially as a payment method. Bitcoin will alway be the first coin to recover on the market and I am sure of that.

Any bitcoin and crypto holder only loses when a crash occurs and so far we have seen the market always go down and up which seems to have become something common for those who have gone through a situation like this for the second time maybe or maybe more than that. I personally just believe this industry will continue to grow and the value of the market seems to be able to recover.

But i think holders loss many thing. You remind the last year 2017 market and comparing with 2018 market. Really there is no difference between this 2 years? I think the path of transit from this loss recovery is very long.

Bto will bumost soonest, be sure of it. Forget the hate speeches

On long-term (3-5 years) nobody knows what will happen. You cannot know fir sure that hold-ers will win or lose imo.

I'm keeping a small amount of bitcoin on the off chance that it does go up. And I do have a little faith in it seeing as it still seems like a great concept. However, looking at the facts without any emotion involved, it does look like a pretty bad situation - very little positive activity with bitcoin now and has been that way for quite some time.

When it comes to investing Holding is not a good way to tell other people to do here because they might end up losing it all. They should try practicing on how to cut their losses.

Hodlers are not loosers, they hodl not because of profit and loss but because they believe in the bitcoin ideology which is what matters. Bitcoin maybe down in price but sure in future we will see it rise. It is just a matter of time

I was watching one of the crypto youtubers and they had a picture of a hodl and a sodl.
The sodl had a nice car while the hodl had a cheap one.

Never heard of the term sodl before seeing that picture.
So it is all relative to the time when you did sell or buy your crypto.

You say that because indeed the current decline in bitcoin prices is becoming a reality, and the price trend continues to fall, but in my opinion it's only a choice because everyone has their own ingredients, you mean well by reminding others about the decline in bitcoin prices. I just followed my heart

I just hope with all my heart that you're wrong. There is no reason to kill bitcoin or not believe in it. We must develop and support it. This technology can significantly improve our world, and most importantly - to simplify our daily lives.

And yet, I still see no reason to be disappointed in bitcoin. Now he is experiencing a strong shock in the form of such a large-scale fall, and no one knows how long the price will recover. But you can't stop believing in him. Our long-term investment (hodl) will be justified.

I think that bitcoin should be considered in the long term. He is still very young to give serious results in terms of investment, and in terms of implementation as a currency. Therefore, the strategy of waiting is what you need.

It's great to see that car, but what if you sodl in 2015 bear market? You'd have to spend 50 Bitcoins to buy an average sports car. 2 years later you'd still have that car, much older and worth much less, and a hodler would have coins worth almost a million dollars, able to buy him a nice house and a better car than you have.
I say HODL!

We might think that crypto isn't fully develop and still building its formula to be accepted by all merchants. It is not an easy task for the crypto developers, yet they struggles hardship in terms of spreading into the community. People won't easily trust crypto cause it haven't fully accepted coin in the market.

If all subsequent replies to this topic could change the 'Subject' heading to:

Re: Weak hands lose.  That is no surprise.


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blockchan is great but crypto is not a dead end, may be you have some bad experience, may be you jumped into crypto without educating yourself properly, may be driven by greed and lost some bucks - that don't change what crypto really is.

Well, I see the opposite of this topic. Hodlers during bearish markets are the champions while sellers are the losers. When the market is down with lot of panic selling going on, holding your coins apparently incurs no loss until the holder sells. Hodlers who are patient enough always meet the bull market just as the early adopters of Bitcoin enjoyed the profits of the bull market in December, 2017.

Of course all this emphasis on hodling is why people have lost vast sums of money.  for example say you bought at 4k then you held at the price went up and up and up and you thought great.  I'll continue to hold till the price reaches 100k.  It didn't so now you won't even make any profit at all if you sell now.  With stocks and shares you get dividend so it's worth holding sometimes if the stock goes down.  But with Bitcoin there's no dividend so unless you sell you will nEver ever ever make a profit or make any money at all.  This is where people are making a mistake. 

Holders are not loser and i don't think so that surprise because most of them are well known about btc and they knew about it that nowadays as its downing after a short wile it must be go up and go his peak that's why people's are holding.

I'm holding bitcoin and I know that I lose but now what?? I will only lose if I sell my bitcoin lower than my buying price.

Only weak hands are the ones who lose at this moment and those holders will not lose. War is not over OP. There will be a time that Bitcoin will rise again. Maybe this year is the year for those who bought Bitcoins back in 2014 to sell their bitcoin and gain profit. I believe that in the long term, holders will prevail.

well you might end up having to "hodl" till end of your life, because its likely we are dealing with a market shift trend regarding what the world does support socially

FUD! FUD! FUD! That is what OP is spreading and for those who are giving any thought to this please don't yeah because bitcoin is not dead and it is so funny that a philosopher once said that the stock market is all about moving funds from the impatient to the patient once among us. don't be in haste to see bitcion rise or even the entire crypto market. But believe that it would finally rise and you need patience  to earn from cryptocurrencies.

I say again HODL!

There is no universal rule here.
I have friend that bought at $1000 then price fell to $250 and it was like it for 3 years. When price come back to $1000 he sold to recover his money, soon after this, price went to $3000. He could triple his money if he would wait two more weeks after this 3 years ;)

You have negative thinking and all your messages to create even more panic on people.

Yes, it seems that HODL'ers lose. We have overestimated this market. At the beginning of 2018, almost all HODL'ers dreamed of getting rich overnight, but crypto was moving in a bad direction, and getting worse.
Everyone should face up to this problem, not about rising or falling, but about the future of crypto.

No holders gonna lose if they have patient. That is no surprise that the price drowning but it won't forever like that and it will recover. There is nothing to worry about. It is not a profitable year but this year is the opportunity to buy at cheaper price for the following year, it gonna worth good.

Everyone here has their own decision why are you reacting too much about their losses? its not your money. Anyway always remember that there is a bullish market after the bearish and vise versa, there is a bearish after the bullish market.

Just wait for the comeback.  8)

Indeed, that's what we expect. But someone's view of bitcoin is always different, for those who don't like bitcoin they will continue to show some things that will be felt if they use bitcoin. Functionally, bitcoin is not far from fiat money but in the form of digital, maybe it is always expressed by every user that digital forms are the technology of the future, so everyone will accept it.

Every investments has a loses, not just you want to earn and get profits in an instant and never get loses in the whole run, we all cryptoner had to face this event, and not just bitcoin is bleeding right now, also most of the altcoins, so why would you turn your back and accept the loses if you can hold your assets for the long run. Be wiser man.

Not yet. I keep on holding bitcoin. There is nothing to lose, I will withdraw money when the profit is at least 2 times greater.

Blockchain technology will get use bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies for this system ,  so why panic.  If ever the workd will adopt blockchain , big   investors and institutions  trusted bitcoin  around the world and always be the number one on  their list  for every transactions they will encounter. If ever, this will be the most exciting  moment of bitcoin  because more users  will adopt and buy more bitcoins in joining the blockchain.

I agree, no need to hold your tokens for years, you have to constantly sell something and this concerns also bitcoin, many people waited a year and what they got now, the market simply died due to manipulation and when market will start to grow nobody dont know, and in general now it's hard to believe in growth because everyone understands now that the market is manipulated very easily.

We need to sell first to lose. The game continues. Yes, those who have sold so far have lost. We lost a few combat and we still have hope to win the war. In 2018, the steady decline in price may increase with 2019.

To win in the world of bitcoin, I believe you need to make yourself smart and be determined to achieve. There has been several posts in recent times that are trying to desist hodlers from holding onto their precious coins and expecting the best in the near future. With little perseverance, you can easily succeed.

Maybe before you invest, you think bitcoin is a worthwhile investment but you don't think the risk is. You seem to be very angry about crypto investing, and if you think sales can reduce losses, then you can sell them, and for those who believe and hold bitcoin, let them run in their own choice.

But what is most remarkable: for 14-15 years, translating the altos into the cue ball has developed enough by my standards of the bitcoins themselves. And even if sold in the 15th year of the year, at that rate, then even the iron will pay off.

You will not even believe how much the perception of my savings has changed in the 17th. It was here that I personally did a lot of stupid things:

gave money to scam exchanges

for some reason, climbed into the trade

bought air and other stuff

updated iron park

 

But personally, my conclusions:

- while your pocket allows mine (pay for EE) - have fun

- the course will return do not think about it and do not rush

- consider the yield only at the rate of sale (when you really decided to withdraw the share)

- do not engage in samoing because of "missed opportunities", you cannot earn all the money

- I decided to stay in business, do not repeat mistakes, and just move towards observing the points above.

They would only lose if they sell it,
But as long as they are holding it you couldn't say that they lost,
Remember you couldn't announce the winner until the game ends.
So holder still have a chance to win.

I think because I don't have enough patience and the holder can easily lose, but with patience the holders will be able to win and get profits. Relax and get rid of doubts in yourself so you can get victory.

That sounds terrible. This is going to be a huge Scam. I thought those days were over. If people are deceived like this again, they will not believe in anything for a long time, at least in this sphere.

If Bitcoin would lose its ability to grow in price from 2018, it would not increase almost four times in price from the beginning of April to the end of June this year. Therefore, nothing happened with Bitcoin. It will repeatedly fall and grow in its price. Cryptocurrency to the joy of its holders will develop and will please us more than once.

In fact, when prices are high, most people expect more profit. I can give an example with me. When the price was high I didn't sell.I feel sorry now. We can't get used to it over time. It's our failure. From the present, the future will be accepted.

I sort of agree with you. Even though this might not be the dead end but the thing is crypto is dead. Most of the shitcoins will be ripped apart and become valueless. Only a few top notch coins would survive and that also not because of the utility but because they are easily tradeable and people are heavily trading on them.                 
The fact is that cutting losses is much harder than you think. By HODLing we are referring to a very long span of time. Suppose if you are holding btc since 6 months in an anticipation of profits and if it drops by 10% you will always think that If I have waited since six months then this is normal let's wait for the rise. This would become a vicious circle hard to get out of.

Old thread from 2018 was brought back
I see current dump like a correction from initial bull run
November sell off was after halving and when tether removed 1 bln from markets
Current price can be lower  but rebound will be strong fast and impulsive

Warning this OP is a high-level troll.

Even tagged red for being a silly troll. Don't you have anything better to do? Is this your only method of attention? For someone who believes bitcoin is for idiots you sure do spend a lot of time around these "idiots" so I guess it makes you an idiot by your own definition then.

If you don't like bitcoin fine. Sell your bitcoin and go live your life. Why are you still here?

For me holding always win, because long term holding always brings you profit, yes it is not like day trading that will gave you a lot of profit when you keeps on winning, but when you are holding your coin it will lessen the risk to lose it all. I am a holder and a trader I can say that both are good.

Holding Bitcoin is still profitable. It has already been estimated that for the entire existence of Bitcoin, it was beneficial to keep it in about 98 percent of all this time. Bitcoin will once again rise high in its price and fall to take off to new heights. This is how a decentralized cryptocurrency should behave.

Bitcoin will be back when people get over the huge crash. At the end of the day, it's about the technology. People want to get rich quick, and we can't blame them. However, in reality markets take time to grow and we are past the early days when you could mine 100 Bitcoin a day from your laptop. It takes time, and we need patience!

and still, we are in bearish market, but why are you so bitter in a way that I think Bitcoin disappointed you that much for you to easily conclude something mean like this. I hope you do know that Bitcoin and all of the cryptocurrencies are volatile, which will fluctuates every single time with different reasons, if only you knew that, you won't say that hodlers are losers but the truth is you are the one who is loser because you probably already sold your Bitcoin because of too much panic.

Holding waste your time and your money is not running how to get profit, lets think together when your altcoin assets at lower price but keep holding, when you use for trade on other altcoin you can take back your money.

This is the most hilarious joke I've ever read. You are completely dumb and that is no surprise too. Blockchain was created because of bitcoin, and other cryptocurrencies use it to later on. Let me google it for you, maybe you don't know about google that is why you are lacking in informations about it. Wikipedia says blockchain was invented for bitcoin made it the first digital currency to solve the double-spending problem without the need of trusted authority or central server, in short, blockchain wouldn't be here if bitcoin was never created.

and if cryptocurrencies are all dead, so do blockchain, but I assume you will not understand any of that.

Everyone should decide to sell Bitcoin or wait for the best price. If you advise something, then give why you need to do this.

It make sense to be hodlers but only under two conditions, First, having a large amount. Second get it at low price. If you invest a large amount you'll profit on long term, but if you have only small amount it doesn't worth wait a long period of time to double that amount. actually with active trading you double that amount in short time, So holding is not the perfect strategy in that regard. In reality what happens is most people buy at high price and hold, this a wrong thing to do and 99% you will end up losing a lot and waiting a long time for just having your capital back. Having that said, I disagree with freightjoe's argument that, saying that bitcoin price will never recover, the time has proven that he was wrong anyway, we saw the bitcoin up to 14k against though we still not sure if this a bull market or it's just Dead cat bounce.

of course, holding bitcoin for a long time is still profitable and this is a simple way to minimize losses. seeing that current market price movements are declining more frequently, I think to do daily trading on bitcoin now is not the right time, it would be better if we are able to hold it for the long term

right and that means trading will be more profitable despite the many efforts that need to be done but at least we don't need to waste time just to hold for a long time, because usually they only spend a little money to hold the long term and of course it will not profitable in the end

It looks like the OP troll left last December and hasn't come back. Holding is a long term prospect, not for weeks or months and if you have done so you've been well rewarded.  The same type of troll thought bitcoin couldn't sustain dollar parity, or $10 or $30 or $100 or $1000 etc.  It hasn't ever been straight up, and has been a bumpy road.

Everyone who listened to the trolls and sold out at those points lost out on tremendous gains.  People who mined (or bought) and held have done great.

Anyone selling now is ignoring the upcoming halving which -in the past- has had big gains in the year after. Will it happen this time?  No one knows for sure, but a halving of new supply with constant or growing demand is simple economics.  If you sell now, it is a poor gamble.

In my opinion, there is now a tendency in the market that the long-term perspective is no longer as profitable as the short-term. It became in 2019 as i see

The first post of this thread is very ridiculous. In my opinion, cryptocurrency will live and develop as successfully as Blockchain. And I’m sure that Bitcoin is like a roller coaster, and with proper training everyone can get a stable profit. The main thing is to make smart actions and not make hasty decisions

Not all h hodlers lose money mate there are some but majority of hodlers surely profit on holding bitcoin specialy for a long period of time.It is proven that year after year bitcoins  price rise and sometimes doubles its value.

It depends on the type of coin said HODLers. Though trading is the most interesting part of the crypto business. It helps you understand the volatility of cryptocurrency and also educate you on what to do in the deep. This is why traders are risk-takers, but in the risk, a lot is learned which is transmitted to the entire crypto space for review and enlightenment. No matter the downtime, crypto still have many goodies to offer

Yeah sure holdlers lose. Especially those who held for 5+ years, lost almost everything  ;D ;D ;D Except NOT. The one's that lose most are panic sellers, they have no guts to hold for a while and therefore end up in negative balance  :D

I can sell all my bitcoin and buy something that will become wasted after some time, but I can buy that unnecessary thing for cash and save bitcoin for a possible big profit in the future for which I will buy something much more expensive and necessary like a house or a car. I see no reason to spend the opportunity to get rich.

Who hold for 5 + years  lost everything?) OKay, 5 years ago btc price was around 400-500$, now it around ~8000$. Panic sellers lost everything, yes I agree with this. Maybe holders from 2018 lost many deposits but not holders from 2014.

I agree that you said the holders from 2018 lost many deposits but not crypto holders from 2012- 2014. Like you said when bitcoin price rate is 400- 500$ some holders buy it and holding it for a year waiting to the much profitable amount to them, and I'm sure when bitcoin price becomes almost 20k$ some holders sell their bitcoin and become wealthy. But when you are buying a bitcoin in the year 2018, and waiting for bitcoin to reach 20k$ I think you should have more patience. :)

Holder always lost their money because altcoin is not good planning for the future, many holder have left of cryptocurrency because they bought at higher price and have lost assets on lower price.

It depends on what coin/altcoin. I keep holding my THC since early 2017 now its delisted on  bittrex. A huge loss for me since I did not get my capital. Bitcoin for long term will be good since theres adaption every year. Though its not stable yet since some are still caashing out and dumping thier holdings, but the popularity of bitcoin doenst wane out.

Well.. it depends on where u invest lol.. if u dont analyze coins before investing, u deserve to lose all the money. u can make some xs in the bullish trend, but be prepared to lose everything.. if company actually develops stuff it may be a good oidea but i think 98% of icos dont do anything, only telegram announcements..  rn bitcoin https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/BTCUSD is being manipulated cause of cme futures

Last year clearly showed that the word altcoin has only a few correct letters, and the other of them must be replaced by "shit". I am sure that Bitcoin has a great future, but most altcoins have their own life cycle. Although I continue to keep some altcoins, in the hope that among the heap of shit may be a real gem.

I'm not really sure about that. Though majority of the alts can be considered shitcoins, it's mainly because they have low volume. Given a chance, some of these alts can one day have actual use. The thing is that sometimes this will take forever before people realize they have value. Crypto is not yet as widely accepted as we'd like but once mass adoption goes full steam, some alts will be worth the long hodl.

Bitcoin will always be a smart investment, when reviewing its history it has fulfilled many phases of the market, it even lends itself to make analysis of all kinds, and today it has gained more followers and enthusiasts, this is just beginning, 10 years of history and What is missing is much to write, the investment for those who can do it is the best decision if you have enough money and the time it takes, I think OP refers to Bitcoin speculation and not Investment, if you are speculator of market must go in the same direction, go against it is failure after failure, the difficult thing is to stay in that line of least resistance to succeed.

i see many not understanding what it is to hold or sell a coin . i see this market as an experience to us all in regard to how you trade your coin or buy them , we have some time to hold and some time to sell buying any coin with this bear situation is the key and holding them would be a best option as bull will be the next thing coming but buying when the bull was at high side is what makes many loss their value to any coin so logically we have time to hold and sell if you get it right you are a winner.

You have check how serious some owner about their coin before be part of holder, many altcoin owner run away after get profit with their IEO or ICO without care about how many investor lost in their coin with lower price.

But if the holder knows for the future development of bitcoin, that their decision is very appropriate if they hold bitcoin from 5 years ago, at least it has already benefited many times, from their purchases when the price of bitcoin was still under 400/500 dollars, if the holder from 2018 yesterday is likely that is difficult for them to accept because of a very drastic price reduction at that time, but for holders of 2014 it is likely to have benefited more than the results they get at still low prices ..

Candidly speaking, there is no much benefit from hodlers because they hodl for the price to rise with some percentage before they sell out their portfolio's but what we have seen so far this year is that; the market price still stay at the deep, thereby not giving the hodlers opportunity to make profits. Since 2018 I have been hodling my portfolios to make profit but not forthcoming; how I wish I could trade.

It is difficult to draw far-reaching conclusions when you enter the crypt in the midst of a bear cycle. There is a good strategy, if you start buying bitcoin every month at the current market price for a certain fixed amount, for example 1000$, then in six months or in the worst case, in a year your crypto portfolio in USD will show profit, regardless of how well you choose the initial entry point.

id love to see the op's reaction by the time he comeback here or on crypto    . by the time he sees the price of most cryptos and btc he will get shocked and he will say that he is wrong  .  his posted this last year and he thinks his prediction are right just because  he sees that majority of cryptos including btc are dropping but now , this year is different because almost all of them are now have recovered and has grew a little   .  blockchain technology has really a good future but he wont do it alone without the help of cryptos and most importantly cryptos such as btc can also be succesful in the late future  .

Much FUD has been put out there about "Useless, device dependent, completely tracks you and all financial activity, flaws in the mining algorithm, a pump and dump market, a money maker tool for wealthy" to try and make you sell your BTC. Everyone in the mainstream media will try to convince you to sell your BTC, even your friends and family will try to convince you to sell your BTC. The government will try to scare you into selling your BTC, but don't do it. HODLing is the only long-term strategy that works in spite of the whales and manipulation. i learned something in Crypto it is the fact that the community and market react the opposite of what everyone says or thinks what will happen.

There are different investment strategies. Some people prefer day trading, some short term and some mid to long term. People who don't have any present liability and are ready for taking risk of long term hold can any day go for long term hodl in crypto. If you remove the 2017-2018 high and then look at the bitcoin price chart, you will notice that the long term chart is rather bullish only. Yeah I agree that people should have taken profit at ATH and entered later. But still anyone who invested before December 2017, must be in profits only.
I know many people who have made loss by short term trade. Therefore, no strategy is good or bad, it depends upon more on the amount of risk you're looking for and risk you're willing to take.

They didn't lose anything, they just lost the chance of earning big profits last 2017 but their bitcoins and altcoins remains in their wallets. All they have to do is to wait again until the market get bullish again. Keep hodling your coins is indeed better than panic selling, because when you do panic selling you will indeed lose your profits literally. Aside from holding, you could also buy other coins that you want to have more profits in holding.

Let me italicize it for you. In short, you still lose — you lose time and opportunity ;D. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean and I agree to you somehow. What I'm only pointing is that hodling for too long is no longer healthy and safe. You should learn to exit the market as well. There should be balance, if you know to buy and hold then of course you should also know how to sell. IMO, it's not mecessary to hold for couple of years to earn. Just set a target price (not too large and not too small) where you can already earn a decent amount of profit and wait for the right timing.

Every time the market grows strongly or collapses, there are investment gurus who say, "I told you!" In fact, no one knows if Bitcoin will grow up or fall. If a person is engaged in investing, then why not hold on to some share of Bitcoins in his portfolio. Any stock can both greatly increase in price and greatly depreciate. This is the market.

The thread was created almost one year back, when the Bitcoin exchange rate was hovering at around $3,000 per coin. Currently, it is trading at $8,400 per coin. Anyone who had listened to the advice by OP would have certainly incurred huge losses. And from what I could see, the OP is no longer active in this forum (which indicates that he might have sold his coins and moved on).  

I am not having an opinion that Bitcoin will survive for another 100 or 200 years. But I can say with a certain amount of surety that Bitcoin will remain as the no.1 cryptocurrency (in terms of the number of users and the market capitalization) for at least the next 10 years. Those who want to quit can do so. But I firmly believe that the peak price is yet to come.

It is actually much more beneficial if those HODLers just sold their current bitcoin and set aside some of their profit to buy not too much bitcoin while its price is still low. We cannot put hope on bitcoin forever, maybe we can analyze when will the next rise will be but it is very hard to be certain about it so the best we can do now is to wait since it's too late to sell knowing that the price is already low.

I never actually invested in Bitcoin back in the day, but was just earning it form faucets then generally from crypto jobs and investing in ICOS that made me good money etc, but yeah you are absolutely right, I should have sold at the top at the beginning of 2018 and then bought the bottom at 3.5k and traded BTC. I just held all the time and now got nothing left because of hodling this and that. So now I believe in the tech but my 'loyalty' per se is less and less towards the currencies and Bitcoin as a currency at large because of the manipulation going on. The Tether fairies moving a ton of Tether made it pump today, so this means markets are manipulated by a bunch of whales and Bitfinex. I still believe in it more though than I do FIAT, which is the biggest Ponzi scheme on the planet run by the Fed and Central Banks of course.

Now the trading information now is to invest on bitcoin and altcoin and hodl it, so as not to miss out when the bull run starts. So many individuals thought that the era of cryptocurrency has gone, but bitcoin proves them all wrong this year. Bitcoin will always be ttrading as far as I'm concerned

Traders lose too :) I think hodl better than trade. I need give a example at this point, in the bull season, the hodlers folded their money 3 times and 4 times. However, traders had to make do 10% to 15%. So who is loosing? You have to be realistic.

For me, they aren't losing anything. Because they are hodlers! They know that when it comes to trading people may get some or lose some. They need to know that hodling is a risk, they can gain a profit or they can also lose their investment. It is up to them , but I think in the long way run they still believe that they are not losing if they know how to read the bitcoin pattern now.

What makes you think you have lost? If you have 1 BTC even BTC is $100 you have still 1 BTC. You have to think BTC as gold. Actually BTC is gold, future gold.

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There is no meaning for your post in my knowledge. What you are trying to say actually?

Holding bitcoin is not a loose for anyone if you think it a long term investment, we need to check the market value growth by using the price chart available. When there is growth or any signals you find means you can rock for sure. Always bitcoin has the future growth.

I think Warren Buffet strategy is find companies that have good fundamentals and are still undervalued then hold it until the prices skyrocket. Worked for him and works for Bitcoin, the fundamentals are stronger than ever, that's what matter, not the price or the price falls.

Anyone that panic sold at the bottom lost a lot, just compare the price now with  the price when this thread has been created.

I'm going to add some things that you are missing here. Not all of the hodler's buy their coins, there is this "Bounties (altcoins)" thread where all of us could earn altcoins to use it on Trading or hold it(optional) not all of the bounty hunters knows how to Trade, and hodling your coins in your wallet is a choice, because just like what I've said, not all of the people who hodls their coins know how to trade, guess that is the reason why they are just hodling, it is hard to trade when you don't know how to trade.


EXACTLY! this is the other reason why other hodlers hold their coins, they are waiting for the right timing that will meet the price they wanted to earn decent amount of money.

It is only at this stage that the holders lose their funds. Have you thought about those who bought or mined bitcoin in 2011? When I found out about mining, my friend mine 0.5 bitcoin in 48 hours on four AMD video cards. Just think what will happen in 5 years and if Bitcoin will go up in price, my answer is obvious - yes.

That opinion is obviously from someone who is involved in Bitcoin very short period of time and doesn't know much about it. Holding is something that is profitable for long term and by long term I don't mean 6 months or so. Besides, not all holders got their Bitcoin on the sane way, sone are buying, some are earning so making general conclusions about holders is not good.

Very few understand better about holding and act keep the assets secure with long-term focus. As in the quote it isn't just six months or few more months of holding. An American institution took a research on holding, from that the minimum time period mentioned was 5 years. It is always good to keep for long term profiting, by the same time it is a must to act instantly if the growth has taken place good before the targeted period of hodling. If we miss such opportunities it needs more time to achieve the same again.

That is good lesson for altcoin holders and for me too. I will never hold any altcoin again but will sell immediattely after release.

Most of the cryptocurrency users won't be in a financial state to indefinitely hold on to their coins. They need to pay their bills and take care of other expenses. IMO, less than half of all the users may afford to hold for long-term (greater than 3 years). I have sold a lot of my coins when the prices were very low. But I don't regret about it now. Back then I needed money, and I had to sell my assets. I had the option of selling my equities instead, but opted for crypto, as more than 80% of my portfolio was composed of Bitcoin.

Maybe you're right maybe you're wrong, we will never know the answer until bitcoin is in the ground and dead forever.

Those who strongly believe in Bitcoin will continue to hold for as long as possible, those with a weak stomach will instantly sell out of fear as soon as they see the price declining, it's just how the world works.

Bitcoin has experienced huge price corrections and will continue to do so. The most basic economic principle of buying low and selling high applies majorly in the case of Bitcoin, those who understand this will profit majorly and those who don't will be left out. 

I kinda agree with this guy because the cryptocurrency market is full of pumps and dumps. Once your coin got pumped enough to the level where you double your investment the best thing to do is getting out. Bitcoin can't get to $1m by 2020 - So, it is a good idea to cash out when you get profits, period.   

hahaha..not to sound heartless but i think OP just got rekt in some margin trading game or something. Lol, it's so funny when i see people come and rant about the crash of bitcoin anytime their trades fail. Dude these statements have been made over a decade yet we are still thriving. Learn the game and stop this FUD!

BcHow can I get started with cryptocurrency on the phone? What do you need to know for this and where to learn it?

Holders don't lose we win. Holding cryptocurrency has been a winning strategy ever since its inception.

if I hear my holder remind me of my own fate in the past few months, I have held one of the coins whose price is not clear, I ended up losing a little capital from that coin, from that incident I never again held a coin whose price is unclear so my advice for friends who like to hold coins, you can only hold bitcoin because in my opinion the price of bitcoin is always stable in the market.

Wow! So much hate! Do you know really what is hodling? People that were only get curious in bitcoin because of the bull run has the same thinking, they think that there will be a time where the value if bitcoin will continue to rise up, which is rare. True hodlers know that it isn't true, and they know when to sell and when to buy. It doesn't mean that if we didn't recover to the bitcoin's peak value then the hodlers lose.

Keep a few bitcoins in reserve is always profitable, I would not agree with you that they lose

Maybe he is telling that most holders that he knows are losers. Because maybe they don't know and did not estimate when did the price goes down. I know someone that is already a long-time holder, and he already got a chance to have withdrawn what he profited last 2017 when the ATH's happened, but he got greedy and still wait for the price to increase more because he thinks he will get more, the thing is, he doesn't withdraw anything, so his chance gone.

There is no one general rule in any given year in Cryptocurrency, what happens in 2017 is very much different in 2018 and what happened in 2018 is different from what we have this year right now, and next year is also different, but you don't have to use the word stupid or blind if investors cannot grasp the situation in any given year, there's no applicable situation every year, each year present a different perspective.

Anyone who has held any bitcoin longer than 5 years has made some profits. The longer the time horizon (more than 5 year) the better chances you don't lose.

The same is true with the general stock market indexes. Put some in the S&P 500, wait 5 to 10 years, you'll come out ahead.

Holder can take make profit not become loser, check how many altcoin kinds raise up more than 300% after holding about one or two years, check how many time many holder altcoin or bitcoin take profit higher than short term investor with take less profit every day. Now you have an option which one do you want to adopt for your investment.

It’s just that the situation with cryptocurrency is changing a lot. However, we need to keep in mind that cryptocurrency continues to improve. What is not done is done for the better. The period of chaos is passing, perhaps we will not get too much profit, but it will become more stable over time. New types of cryptocurrencies can still be unpredictably profitable.
Cryptocurrency is generally useful for humanity, as it provides us with new opportunities and amenities. Therefore, it must exist for a very long time.

Correct, the longer time you spend in waiting, the many chances you could have to decide what are you going to do, would you sell or still hold. Taking your time is the key to meet your expectations to avoid disappointments, missing a chance to sell your bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is not a problem, the problem is if you will be impatient on waiting for your right turn to make profits.

Holding any cryptocurrency might be a big problem if you see it in a short span investment. For long-term University it will not cause any problem and they will keep some funds for the safety in stable currencies or or somewhere in their banks.
People holding tokens and cheap rate altcoins will feel for barely.

Absolutely. As we all know bitcoin investment is risky so we must be prepared for any disaster that may bring. All we need to do in order for us not be able to lose big amount of money is not to do panic selling because that's the decision in not good when it comes to crypto investing. That is a very long time to wait 5-10 years but I think that is worth it to wait. Just like you are investing and then forget for a while and the most important thing is store at the safe place that nobody knows or someone whom you can trust with the private key of the wallet.

I am sure that every year the participants in the cryptocurrency market will be more restrained and there will not be as much fear or panic as they are now. Time teaches people in the cryptocurrency market too. I think that in the future, Bitcoin will be an even more reliable asset than now.

The biggest Exchanges according to: https://twitter.com/thetokenanalyst/status/1181618606649548800

they are the great Hodlers, it is very difficult for them to lose, in fact, since they are Exchanges they have privileged possibilities to have reasons in retaining Bitcoin, they can know in which areas are the Stop Loss, supports and resistances, they have a great advantage .

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More than Hodlers, they can be more focused on the business model that it represents, under which it always turns out to be very lucrative, not to mention that internal businesses are generated with which they list currencies offering juicy Market Makers packages thus guaranteeing profits.

Holder lose maybe is not surprise but when holder can make profit above 300% is some thing big surprise or not? I remember when first time I know about bitcoin and altcoin could be investment assets, I bought XRP with cheap price, I hold about two years and can get profit more with price of ripple reached more than 300% than I bought first.

Every investor has a particular reason why he/she invest or hodl  bitcoin or cryptocurrency.  If you choose to exit now, exit in peace. The drop or rise of the market value of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency is meant to happen due to the nature of the crypto market and decentralization.  Once blockchain technology exist, there is no way cryptocurrency is gonna die....

Something like the title, only want us holder to be panic. I think everyone who already invest in something should already know risk behind it. So if they hold they must be ready if get profit or lose. That thing needed to keep in people's mind so not easily to influenced by other people.

They are just trying to shift the blame, if you lose money in the markets then the only person that is to blame is yourself, but they do not want to admit it since that will require humility and to make a deep research of why they lost all their money, so they take the easy way out, they blame bitcoin or any cryptocurrency in which they invested claiming this market is a scam, this is very easy but it goes against the reality that many people have become rich by investing in cryptocurrencies so their explanation cannot be true.

Even if you get in today, buy a little bit, HODL for 5 to 10 years, I don't see how you can really call that losing. Suppose you managed to get a whole coin (to keep calculations simple), that would be worth maybe a little more than $8k. In 5 years, while no one can make any guarantees, the likelyhood would be that coin is worth at least double. So we are talking about at least 14% compound interest in capital gains.

I want to ask since when did you get to know bitcoin, if it was only 1 or 2 years ago, of course it must have disappointed you because the price in that year continued to decline, and I think it's natural because after a significant increase of course the price will go down.
if you knew bitcoin since the beginning of the release I guess you didn't say that, because it takes time for it to develop and the price won't always go up, other commodities like that will have ups and downs.

The type of cryptocurrency you are holding will determine what outcome you gonna have in future,  holding any cryptocurrency might not be a problem if you have do research on the type of coin you wanna hold,  I'm sure you know that those who holds bitcoin,  ethereum and lots of other good coins when they were relatively cheap are blaming their selves for selling quickly

Bitcoin is a long term investment there shouldn't be any panic based on it price behavior of course after the ATH in 2017 many hodlers still held their coin with the hope of continual bullish of the price however the price drops thus causing panic and many dumped their coins meanwhile long term investors still held their coin hoping for turn around in its price, this year the price of bitcoin hits $13K its obvious a good sign of better days ahead in term of the price.

If you know Bitcoin from the beginning, you might not be saying that.
Because Bitcoin develops takes time. But in 2017-2018 Bitcoins experienced a rapid increase.
A holder can make a profit can also lose? Our stay analyzes it properly and correctly.

I bought @150 and @600 and hodled ever since. Not sure how I lost?

I don't think so, if you have known BTC since you first launched BTC, then you bought it, would you say that? of course not! For example if you buy BTC in 2017 when BTC is famous and touches 18,000 USD and then you hold it until now then you lose money because it lasts too long, basically bitcoin is for long term investment, not short term, if you take short term immediately you sell even if you make a little profit.
~ If you lust then lust will kill you.

That is the real fact that those who lost their hope and sold bitcoin were the loser because if they hold those bitcoin a little bit more time then they would recover their loss but unfortunately they get panic and everybody knows that panic selling is always a loss. In my case I hold my bitcoin in that panic situation so now I have recover my profit because the market is green now again and as usual the holder do not lose.

Are you trying to say that you bought bitcoin at $150 and $600  per 1 bitcoin and you did not sell at $20k??
Wow! You are truly a Hodler gang,  at least I would have taken profit at almost when bitcoin was close to $20k

Old thread but still interesting to discuss. Hodlers lose? Well, to be fair I don't like when people hold because I mention a lot of times: Money has to be in circulation, not stoned or frozen. But let's say truth: Hodling works well for getting great profit on long term. And hodling doesn't mean hold for some months (how can you blame bitcoin so quickly). What about to wait for 1-2 year? If bitcoin won't be able to recover in 2 year, then I would say you were 100% true but at the moment I can't agree with you because according to 10 years experience, hodling works.

Yeah I was not giving much shit about money that time to be honest. Afterwards its easy to say "you should have..."

I'm very sure that you will be calculating the amount of money you should have made right now after not selling when bitcoin was at all time high,  anyway you are still on huge profit,  your holding will definitely pay up, because bitcoin is certainly not done in moving to a new all time high

That might also be a comparison since the topic is about holding. Though it's also possible for someone to hold until now especially those who are inside back then in his early age of developments.

I admire those people who strongly believe that Bitcoin will go this far and will continue to be progressive. There's always a big future for people that understand the value of long term holding. But in the end it's the users and holders understanding if how they will take the opportunities.

Of course I calculated a lot of times that I could have doubled or trippled my coins if I would have sold at the peak and buy back low. But I tried that once back in 2015 and lost one Bitcoin. Sell high buy low. That was the first and the last time I tried to trade.

This is a point that people should reflect a lot, if someone bought in 2017 when the price was $18000 and that person keeps hold (note that it will already be 2 years hold and taking big losses) hoping to make high profits, these person risks spending years hold something that is causing losses. The price may be as high as $25000, but for this person who bought for $18000 in 2017, that means he spent two years and made $7000 in profit. What if it arrives in December 2021 and the price is $ 8000? This means that this person who bought bitcoin in 2017 and hold for 3 years will continue with losses. Hold may not always be a good strategy, and you need to know how long to hold? Hold to sell when the price reaches what price?

This is the greatest advantage that holding has over trading, it is very easy to think that if you trade you are going to multiply your coins quite easily but the reality of this market or any market in general is that the majority of traders lose money and this happens most of the time because they cannot control their risk, so holding offers the possibility of multiplying your capital without the need of doing much, this can be very attractive not only for those that cannot trade but also for those that do not really have the time to monitor their coins all the time.

Sorry, you are wrong here! Only true believers and real experts believe that Bitcoin's price will recover! It will take a long time though. But I agree with you that this forum was full of experts who always suggested to hodl! I never listened to them, my strategy is very simple. If you need money, don't think twice, just sell your Bitcoin! If you are afraid of dump, just convert your BTC in DAI or USDT and look carefully the market movement to pick the perfect time to convert again in BTC!

No No No - I bought 250+ bitcoin 4 years ago and using it I bought free and clear a new farmhouse (which I fixed up the way I want using an additional couple hundred thousand dollars), a big imported Amish barn, on 40 acres of land with 10 acres of field and 30 acres of beautiful hardwood forest, a new tractor, new soapstone woodstove, many cords of firewood, tens of thousands of dollars in furniture - the list goes on.

I still have a couple million dollars of BTC .

Hodlers lose? LMAO.  Here I am a multi-millionaire because of BTC.  Did I lose?  You be the judge.

Hey RonF, that's interesting, if you still have a couple million dollars left, that means you bought way more than 250? Or just about 250 and spent 50, still have 200?

Awesome for you man, just take care of it, the usual advice, not your keys, not your coins, and I'm sure you are aware of whatever security measures you need to keep HODLing.

Well in August I got for free the same amount of bitcoin cash for every bitcoin I had.  The bitcoin cash became worth a couple thousand dollars each - many of which I also sold.  Oh yes, I have millions in property, bitcoins and bitcoin cash left.

Bitcoin is destined to become worth far more.  Tell me again why you think holders will lose out.

You lost compared to Binance CEO. I read his tweet today . He said he sold house and bought at $600. So similar as you. Then he did not hold but start an exchange with that Bitcoins 2-3 years latter.  You gained towards some, and lost toward others.

You have a point. Perhaps OP doesn't see Bitcoin what was like it before, probably he has only a few experiences in this industry. Way back 2009 bitcoin was priceless but suddenly when 2017 comes there's a big difference occur, from 0-20 USD in instant. This is the prove that Crypto is getting and getting bigger, there might have been some dip for bitcoin but it won't die that easily.
For me, HODL is the most effective way to earn profit yet less risky because all you need to do is to wait till for uptrend comes then sell, to be honest, I prefer to earn this way however this will takes time.

I am glad that you did well RonF but I do not think it is a good idea to reveal your holdings, hackers are always trying to find victims for their scams, in fact I will not be surprised that since you posted this information you received many personal messages asking for loans, give outs, investment opportunities, scam attempts or even threats.

There are many ways to protect our coins and I trust you are already taking the necessary steps to do so but one of the easiest ways to protect yourself is by not advertising the amount of coins you have, or even better never tell anyone what you know about cryptocurrencies.

Don't know whether your story is true or not (I mean buying of 250 coin, that's really much) but I agree with you, HODlers never lose, at least from this 11 years experience, we can proudly say that but at the same time I amn't fan of hodling because money mustn't be frozen, it has to be in circulation.

Then almost entire forum knows that Ognasty was owning a lot of bitcoins, forum's treasure but anything happened? Also escrows own a lot of bitcoins but nothing happens. You'll receive such messages very often whether you really own coin or not. It's ok to state such thing there to my mind + no one knows how true is that information.

This is not about holding, profiting with bitcoin happens upon the study we do on the market. Most of the users here are the one who missed the chance of profiting holding for a long time without understanding the market situation. Maybe if such scenario prevails further we all will benefit good. Hodlers loss when the expectation is beyond the reality.

Cool success story, long time holding is worth when you hold more than 3 years (based on the history) , when you haven't hold that long don't make a speculation yet that we already lose in our investment. Just wait for 2 or 3 years more i'm sure the price would be rising up significantly so it will make profits for the long time holders before