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TEAM: The campaign will run from now to.........., the bounty rewards will be distributed 45 days after token sales
GENERAL RULES: One account per person
BOUNTY HUNTERS: joined
 5 telegram account per person
 3 bitcointalk account per person
 5 facebook account per person
 4 twitter account per person
 2 Reddit account per person
 2 LinkedIn account per person

Two days to the end of ICO...
TEAM: Due to some reasons,the ICO will be extended for two weeks
BOUNTY HUNTERS: Can we stop the campaign and remove the signature?
TEAM: No,the campaign will continue to the end of ICO.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We can't discuss exchange now,we will announce when is time.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: Wait for announcement here.

After ICO......
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We are preparing announcement, wait for it.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune.
TEAM: Our coin will be listed on....... on .....
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune

After listing...

BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards?
TEAM: We will give the announcement in days.

After coin dumped...
TEAM: The bounty rewards will be distributed in 3 weeks.


      Bounty hunters using multiple account,
      Dev and team delaying bounty rewards until it worth nothing.
     Then who is the cheater?

I think we have got so many cheater among bounty hunters and so many scammers among so called dev and team,but at times delay in payment of bounty rewards may not necessarily mean to cheat bounty hunters.

I feel the main cheaters in most cases are bounty hunter, from the developer/ bounty manager they always state that the rules stated at the beginning of the campaign can be change or review, therefore change can takes place, which does not always favour bounty hunter, to avoid developers that cheat we must research and checkout on what they have to offer, before joining there campaign.

Maybe none of them should be considered as a cheater, Bounty Hunter with multiple accounts too will have to perform multiple tasks, while Dev team who extend ICO too want the best for the project.

Both, we must back again to the agreement that created by the project itself. If they are delaying the distribution that means if they were cheating us if they are not giving any reason for that. Remember about those hunters must follow the agreement too.

It is cheating if you do something that violates the rule for that bounty. Looks the OP has similarity to the thread that was posted earlier though the topic was not the same but there's the same thought.

This is the thread I'm saying "For those bounty hunters who can hardly relate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107604.msg49642020#msg49642020)". I think all of you can relate with such situations.

It seems to me, or has already passed the period when bounty companies were at the peak of its popularity and so people used multiple accounts, as well as bots? Personally I think that now the situation has changed.
And I think that probably everyone has at least one additional account!

many cases of fraud committed by bounty hunters and it must be stopped immediately because it really harms other participants but what is more detrimental to all of them is a scam developer and therefore there must be action not just trying to avoid

all the power is in the developer's hands. it seems like there's somehow multiple aspects here, why choose a project which you assume will be worthless after the first dump?
and it's only a unreliable team that would act this way.

Both are the cheaters but the bounty hunters who are cheating is called abusers. They abuse the rules of the bounty campaign so that means they need to take an opportunity for the developer to scam you due to the abuse.

This is often the case in bounty programs. Actually in the rules we may not use multiple accounts in any campaign. And also the project team should pay attention to bounty hunters so that there is no delay in distribution. But the project certainly avoided the name dump on their project, I really understood that. For the problem of ICO extension, actually it has become a good choice by the project so that the project has funding for development.

Funny attitude of dev/team and bounty hunters, well written, just like the way is all happening now, I think both at times can be a cheater, using multiple account is wrong and delay in payment is also bad.

Some teams give prizes (tokens) to bounty hunters a few weeks after the listed on exchange. This is to prevent bounty hunters from dumping and harming investors. But the team should provide fairness to the bounty hunter, even if the bounty hunter dumps, the team should be able to buy back the bounty hunter's tokens which might only be 2% of the total token allocation.

Hahaha, interesting and very funny conversation.  ;D ;D ;D
But that's the reality that happened.
Then who is the cheater? I think this is a reciprocal law. Yeah, both can be called cheater and both cannot be called cheater.

Yeah, I think bounty hunters can be honest and the ICO team can be professional. So that problems like this won't happen and there are no cheater .

We in the activities of the ICO just need clear rules of the game. Without this, ICO teams will always use their abilities to abuse them. Bounty hunters do not have the ability to deceive as much as the ICO teams do. For now, almost all claims against bounty hunters consist in using multi-accounts and writing substandard messages. Bad quality messages may not be counted by managers, and several accounts do not actually cause any harm to the ICO team. This problem is contrived and can only cause discontent of the part of bounty hunters who earn less from it.
I see the solution to this problem only in the state regulation of ICO activities. To regulate, first of all, the rights and duties of ICO teams are necessary.

It's a two way thing here.  Both are cheaters. The hunters break the rules by going multiple and that's an abuse of the project. Developers delaying until dump isn't fair to the hunters also. However, this two are unavoidable. Can only be minimised for the good of all

We do not know who is the cheater but until now I still not received some of token in bounty campaign. Most of the distribution of token are now delay because some of the bounty project want to distribute the token when the market recovers. For those new coming bounty project I hope you will distribute the token in exact day and there will no more delay.

fraudsters cannot be avoided from a large community such as an ico forum or project, many have proven cheating on both sides, the project team and the bounty hunter have entered the cheating list
cheating on the project team; always delay payments and end with a scam
cheating bounty hunter; many bounty hunters with many accounts and many social media accounts have been included in several projects and spamming so that a merit system is formed to reduce fraud
sorry this is only my personal opinion

Despite the rate at which some people use multiple accounts, they still do not get their rewards in due time or they don't even get anything for their effort and time.
You might use one account and still get your at the right time.
One of the most important thing to do as a bounty hunter, is to always go for projects that are genuine and that you can trust not tone scam.

the bounty hunter making cheating. in such cases, it is possible that the team already knows there is fraud in the campaign. so, at the end of the campaign, the team decided not to pay the bounty hunter. if so, don't blame the team that doesn't distribute tokens.

Yes having such rules will eliminate the altaccounts but they need to do while joining,but here they are doing at the time of distribution after they were taking all the efforts from the person.

I don't see any form of cheating in both sides but i see a full abuse of bounty hunters who uses multiple accounts on joining such campaign and also those projects developer to tell lies to their "unknown" employees. Me as a bounty hunter also disappoint whenever this happen because of the so called not being professional on their part as developer.

Cry from the heart. I agree that now projects are very unfairly acting in relation to bounty hunters. we work and bring a large audience to new projects, but our work is not appreciated

Both are cheaters and need to be stop, in bounty hunter side the lower rank is most affected of this cheater because most of them do multiple account in higher rank and if we have a jr. member then its a  bullshit thing that hardwork is not fair during token distribution. As we with lower rank only have a little part of the allocation also. And those scammed project, it should be strict during there posting of their campaign and need to be undergo specific scanned of the campaign they promoted, these well make crypto down.

From the very beginning, using multiple accounts on a single bounty is prohibited and a clear cheating which is very unfair to the participants. The bounty team have the rights to delay the distribution because they are also protecting their investors from its worst scenario of price dumping by the hunters. Bounties and their distribution nowadays is very unfavorable to hunters, specially a doubt of you will still be rewarded or not.

Everyone wants to have the best benefit for them, so they have to follow their own ways to have that benefit. But in this case, I think bounty hunter are the ones who suffer when they have completed the task but do not receive money from the project. I am also involved in a few projects and so far I have not received anything, I have been waiting for nearly 10 months

Maybe none is really a cheater because they are doing what's best for them in terms of profit maximisation. Bounty hunters are dubious by doing multiple accounts to earn more rewards but then they perform all the tasks requested by developers. Developers on the other had delay or deny distribution because they want to sell some of their tokens at a good rate before it dumps. This Is crypto, people are just after the gains

Obviously, both are the cheater. Come to think of it, devs are just using bounty hunters to promote their shit coin. As a matter of fact, they tend to give hope to the bounty hunters that their token will be listed on some exchanges. Which in return, will not benefit the effort of the bounty hunters.
As for the bounty hunters who are using multiple alt accounts, they are cheating with serious effort. I pity those who put a lot of effort with those alts but never get paid in return or had a reward but a useless token.

its happen to many campaign i joined.
they even reduced the reward and I worked on the campaign for 3 months and only got 3 $ because price dump. OMG I don't understand and they still blame the hunter for falling prices.

Cheaters will be detected with required additional information! But the ICO team are more worser they are not following their own written rules the bad side of it is the Bounty workers is not compensated will after the long months of promotions after they recieve the payment its worth nothing they deprive us to earned a decent piece for our long months of promotion, Im sorry to say this but its true nowadays!

I believe both bounty hunter and ICO can be cheater. Looking at the big picture i think that if ICO cheat the ICO is affecting bounty hunters and investors , whereas on the other hand if a bounty hunter cheat at most give the hunter a few account and if they did not cheat someone else will take the rewards from the ICO so i think that ICO cheating more serious than hunter cheating. 

I think part of the problem is bounties and ICOs are still running themselves in a way that was more suitable to a hot market on fire that everyone wanted a piece of, like those of '17 and early '18.

Things haven't changed so much yet because of a couple things.  One, the 'formula' worked spectacularly back then, brining in hundreds and hundreds of millions of investment funds, and is still working well enough to motivate projects of all sizes to continue to go for it, even at the bottom of this bear market, and at a time when people have more or less abandoned crypto, leaving just the diehards.  On the other side of the coin, it is fair to say investors have not learned their lessons yet either, at least enough to cause ICO entities to change their ways.

Two, the battle behind the scenes is likely hosting some super unsavory characters working for governments and corps to damage sentiment in the crypto markets.  It's impossible to know the exact numbers, but there has to be a percentage of the projects out there being run by contracted entities with the express goals of fleecing as many people as possible.

I'm sure something like that above 'scenario' has happened to all dedicated bounty hunters.  This sustained bear market is weighing on bounty managers like everyone else.  Their payments are worth less and less, the volume of participants has ballooned, and campaigns are going longer and longer and also getting extended one after another.  Both bounty hunters and managers see their earnings watered down, and in most cases now, the extended period of 'advertising' doesn't make a bit of difference.  If the project hasn't gotten off the ground after 3 or 4 months, they need to go back and rethink it again.

Either way, in my opinion, bounty managers are going to have to become more responsive, transparent, and remember their original roles as facilitators for projects.  Some of the rules put forth by new bounties leave you completely at the mercy and whims of unseen entities.  In the pre-Internet days, people that operated behind arbitrary rules like those were called charlatans.  There needs to be a shift in the sentiment in crypto in general, and it's going to have to start with bounty managers.  They are on the front lines in this battle, and they need to go back to their roles as ambassadors (the most enthusiastic ones) for crypto, instead of the current lack of engagement we have now.

both can fool bounty hunters and developers ..
Dev and the project team don't want to pay, sometimes delaying payments for months because there are reasons fraudsters use many accounts.

This is where Dev and the Team reasoned that they would not pay prize participants.

How they cheat ? work fully and be censored by the team each week to receive a stake. So why until the end of the group campaign announced that there was a lot of fraud, obviously the group was fraudsters and wanted people to work for them for free

Here of course you can understand both sides, if it's not scam, the developers are trying to protect the project from dump, and bounty hunters hope to earn at least something.

Of course, bounty hunters (multi-accounts) and ICO projects - both may also turn out to be cheaters. Both those and others strive for quick and big earnings and they are not at all concerned with the fate and feelings of those hunters who work honestly. And I still don't see a solution to this problem, but there must be some kind of regulator. I hope it will come up with time.

I'm sure there are cheaters at both sides, as well as legit humans. Multi accounts reduce rewards for any member of a bounty campaign and it's not good, but when the team extends the ICO or delays the bounty reward it could lead to near zero reward at all. So I guess cheaters among team are much worse.

For me the first cheater is the team. The team most times are fraudulent and so would give every excuse and keep delaying to deliver promises of bounty campaign. So they have in the beginning had a heinous motive not to pay even members with single account and honest in keeping to rules. If a team do not pay any member at all, then you can see that it is fraud abinitio.

this was cheater being cheated at. and both are definitely need to be deal with if bounty program want to stay continue in the future.
there are many talk about regulation on ICO and how to prevent bounty hunter from cheating in bounty program but both still can't be prevented.
even the attemp to give red trust to bounty hunter who made multy account was not as effective before because they will simply made new account to join another bounty and changge their wallet to new one.
and for ICO developer they will simply change their rule as they see fit because there are no rule to prevent them from doing so.
the one who got most harmed was the honest bounty hunter who really join to help promote the ICO.

Well as a developer I will choose the best situation were in I can make the project still the top and also the price because many hunters are dumping the price and the investors are lossing their money on it wht the hunters are happy because they already profit even a little. The thing is hunter is the worst here.

Unfortunately, this is a very unstable industry for permanent earnings and I think the main scammers are managers, they constantly delay payments to us.

Why wouldn't you pay rewards in BTC or ETH in this case? Don't you think this easy step should remove dumps after the listing? Of course you as developers should have some money to provide rewards but in the end it's a win-win situation.

I do not think there is a cheater
Bounty hunting is a business
Managing bounties is also a business

We can not judge all bounty managers the same likewise we cannot judge bounty hunters as the same

But dyor and promote only projects that are worth it

Some bounty-hunters are cheaters and some ICo's team and managers are scumbags, let us be honest here there is a huge amount of multi-accounting and cheating in bounty-hunting space and we all know, ICO teams and managers treat bounty-hunters as if they have no right and as if they are giving them a reward and that should be changed because what they are giving is not a reward it is a payment for a work that been done.

In the case, you mentioned the bounty-hunters are cheaters and the ICO team are scumbags but the blame should be fully put on ICO team because if they had a good bounty manager then they will be able to minimize multi-accounting so they have a solution in their hands while on the other hand, honest bounty-hunters have no way to defend themselves.

Obviously the bounty hunters. They break the important rule of any bounty that is participating with multiple accounts. I don't care how scammy the ICO is if the participant isn't genuine in their approach.

I don't know why people fail to realize that the loyalty of the team is to their project and not to bounty hunters. You said it, if you have people cheating and farming accounts into project, the team can apply their discretion and delay the tokens distribution, as for tokens dumping when it gets to exchanges, investors too are suffering because it is not easy to see you investment drop form $1000 to $25 and it is  also a wrong assumption to think that bounty hunters do not invest in some of these ICO

The truth is that most initial coin offering bounty managers are more interested in the growth of the project and the investors than bounty hunters they believe bounty hunters are just there for personal interest with out caring what ever development the Coin can achieve
I would say the true cheaters are both the selfish bounty hunters that abuse the project with multiple account and also the project organisers that don't stand by there words

Scams enough on both sides, but we must not forget about humanity. I believe that you need to make more reasonable rules, with the possibility of adjustment under any specific situation.

I cannot say its a cheat part on bounty hunters. Although your example that bounty hunter has many accounts, it is still he's hardwork. Even if they have multiple accounts, they still manage to do the work. And by that i can't say it's a cheat on the part of bounty hunter.

I am a bounty hunter and I realize that making a little is not a big problem for me, as long as I get profit I am quite happy
but in this case you cannot fully blame the bounty hunter because the bounty hunter only receives about 1% of the total supply so it won't make a big impact on the price, it won't trigger a dump

I think that should be what the OP has experienced in the course of doing some bounties.
Well, it is normal and I feel every bounty participant has seen that happen many times, most especially those that have been in the space for a while.
As regards cheating on the snide of bounty participants, such is inevitable, but can be curbed.

They both cheat. Buh the hunters cheap frequently than the developers. Sometimes the tokens sent is lesser than the one displayed on the spreadsheet and that is when we can say they are cheating. Extending of bounty payment is not considered a cheat by me.

In the OP description both are cheaters, bounty hunter using multiple accounts and ICO persons, bounty hunters using multiple account to gain more coins and get big profit but ICO developers are more smart and just delayed the bounty rewards late that until it get received by the bounty hunter it is worthless.

If the bounty hunter was genuine using single account then be can accuse the ICO developers for delaying the bounty rewards. This is the common issue of ICO for delaying bounty rewards as they think to avoid the coin dump they are doing this. But even then the price is dumped so then who is the reason for this dump. So it is clear that if the coin is worthless it will get dumped after it get listed.

I have joined Tokpie exchange which gives you 50% of your bounty reward for trading in ETH in their exchange which i think worthy as ICO cannot scam in this process and you dont have to wait for long to get reward.

Both are greedy and ignore the rules.
but the delay problem is not the policy of the manager but the ICO developer policy.
The cheater is actually ourselves who are unable to analyze a good ICO and will succeed.

both have the same potential to cheat.
but we don't realize that many people will be harmed by the results of this deception.
in my opinion this will be reduced if we can be honest with ourselves.

Really cheater is bounty campaign manager who given payment by ICO team but they always delay for distributing for bounty campaign participants, always trying give bad ideas and wait until price of ico have listed at market with lower price for distribution, I am still remember with project bounty campaign delay more than three moth and make price have dump and lower.

The bounty hunter first break the rules for using multiple accounts to take advantage the opportunity, in the end I think he deserves what happened because he cheated from the beginning.

However for participants who follow the rules its not fair for them to not get their reward as promise by the team since they work hard for it and now the price is already dump in exchanges. They cant sell it in low price and they have to wait again until the price recover.

I think we dont need to judge who is the cheaters between team who make the project or the bounty hunters who advertise that project, maybe if we want the good community lets start it  in our own life.

We need to accept the reality that we are in the human world and all things here is not perfect. If we think the situation of team who they are not do what they are promise vs bounty hunters who breaks the rules there is no difference.

I think it is impractical to delay and use some methods in order that the bounty participants will keep working without being compensated, that is why kyc is implemented in order to filter out spam accounts and filter real participants, on the part of the team and the developer itself they should be educated enough to pay the participants at the agreed time and date, extending the campaign is good long as the compensation would also be adjusted as well. Both sides should be honest of course.

All such people are critical, and the team of projects also does a number of other things to reduce the distribution of bonuses to bounty hunter. That is to change the way of receiving bonuses compared to the original is through ETH wallet

Unfortunately it is common practice..
Almost every campaign delay token distribution for bounty hunters and got a lot of things to say about that.
But, you must admit - there are huge numbers of cheaters and scammers within bounty hunters.
My answer - both!  ::)

There was a particular project, where the team had handed over all the tokens for bounty hunters to the manager.
We later got to know that he earmarked mist of the tokens for himself and paid the hunters below what they qualified for.
This can also happen through the team and in different areas.

this is unfortunately true. there are many scam bountys, but also many bounty participants trying to cheat. on both sides there are cheaters, big and small and all just want to make money.

Yes, both of them can be called cheaters.

Bounty hunters - enrolling multiple alts in a campaign so that they can claim more rewards.
ICO's - most of them are scammers and just putting up projects to be used as a pump-and-dump scheme.

So I guess no one is to blame here, sad but true.

I think the cheater would be the bounty participant cause they are joining the bounty using multiple account. And the dev can't be considered being cheater cause they are paying the bounty participant even though it's late.

the cheaters mostly the bounty hunters itself, I have experience about it, example, in one bounty campaign someone or more, use my social media, telegram, my btt username etc to register, and I have to report it to Bounty Manager or Dev and explain with proof. its me, what abput the others? this is which make bounty manager or dev delay the distribution because they must check all participant in the spreadsheet. its not easy task. I also admit it some case BM or Dev cheat to us, but mostly Bounty Hunters itself

hmm.. The cheaters I think the bounty hunters who has many accounts to do bounties. Dev or the team even they delayed the distribution at least they send the tokens to the bounty hunters.

The sad truth is that most bounty campaigns take place the way you describe them. That may be the consequence of the bear market.

That's subjective. Not all bounty hunters use multiple accounts (and anyway, bitcointalk account farming is almost impossible now due to merit implementation) and not all projects are scams.

Not always of course, but in the main case, yes. If there is a delay, it is already clear that now they will think about how to reduce the fee for remuneration or the passage of difficult conditions such as KYC, to which not everyone will agree.

Business is a dirty thing. As the saying goes, "dog eat dog." Everyone is trying to get more favorable conditions for themselves. As a result, we have what we have: bounty hunters try to get more tokens using multi-accounts; the team delays the distribution of tokens as much as possible for fear of a sharp price drop.
So no one cheater. It is just a business.

exactly ! the explained scenario is totally subjective or dependent  but if we will analyse carefully we can see that bounty campaigns ( ico's ) are the real evil because they can scam hundreds and thousand of people not just only on this forum but anywhere  . bounty hunters that have multi accounts were only known on this forum but on other sites , user's do usually have a single account due to thier low reward structure .


let say he cheated some rules but a bounty hunter still works hard to do his job so that he can get paid but the campaign didnt payed him .


its ok if the coin was dumpedd but atleast you got paid by a working coin . whats bad is if thier pay inactive coins or worst they didnt pay at all .

Many projects change conditions for the campaign period. The ico extension is not uncommon, it is rather a necessary measure. Many projects do not count forces and do not fit into the deadlines.
Of course, this is more annoying, because bounty hunters rely on their strength and hope that the project will start and end on time.
Now is the time when the team rarely fulfills the conditions at 100%. First extend ico, then stretch out with awards, then pull with access to exchanges. It has already reached the point that hunters are happy when they are paid at all.
But if the project is still completed and remuneration is paid, albeit with a delay, the project is not fraudulent.

Both bounty hunting and bounty managing have advantages and disadvantages ,for example bounty hunters have to worried about when to get paid so that they can sell and many of them uses multiple accounts and that doesn't mean they will make huge money that way because the bounty might not pay on the long run and bounty managers have to worry about making sure that all participants get there rewards and sometimes they cheat too ,like not getting enough reward for the hard work done,the fear of dumpers make some bounties seize tokens for months ,I think its all business

This is true. Everyone are aware of how volatile this market truly is and how any coin can rise or fall in value suddenly with or without any specific reason making this market one of the riskiest markets to invest into. However, high risk leads to high rewards sometimes which is why it is best to invest only what you are willing to lose no matter how the market conditions are(bullish or bearish).

Definitely it's alarming that day to day the number of fake bounty Hunters are increasing. It will fall a worst impact on this group.

Delay in payments does not always mean that the team cheats, sometimes the project is so weak that the team simply does not risk putting more coins into circulation!

They are both the cheater. But one is a bit more than the others, someone using multiple accounts to run a campaign have no problem as long as he does everything required it's left to the campaign manager to detect the act and I don't think everyone does that. But for a project delaying distribution date to avoid dumping and the price later drop is the cheater.

To me in such circumstances, both can be refer to as cheater because it is against the rule of a campaign to use multiple account and on the side of the dev and team, it is wrong to delay payment to bounty hunter.

i think both can be a professional and can be a cheater. bounty hunters must obey the rules and the Dev must obey the rules they make too, pay on the time.

I liked your funny approach to the subject, the biggest fool here is the investors who has no part in all those bounty and development, they just hear the pitch and if they think that the team will fulfill what they said, they will invest in it, these scam and fake projects should be eradicated to protect the investors, when it comes to bounty hunting, it is a voluntarily position you take listening to their words. If their main aim is to make money you think that they will share that with you or any bounty hunters. :D  I am not sure how many potential projects i can count here because i never participated in any alt coin bounty nor interested to invest in anything now as i had my experiences in the past.

That is the common strategy of some projects mate even nowadays indeed.! Which is always always promised but unfortunately always saying excuses as well just to convince participants to stay still  . Lol  in the first place you will notice it actually wherein it's up to you if you want to keep believing on their testimonials even though you have doubts already  about it.  

With this scamming and cheating situation we all turned to cheater i believe. Cryptocurrency world having bad times and it will go to worst i believe. We have problem in everywhere. You could be admin or dev or bounty hunter, we all just think about ourselves and try to have some money from every project. I believe that we all little greedy and can't share it. This situation will continue with growing and it makes me sick..

I think that all scammers) in this area, almost no honest people, everyone wants to get as much money)

2 of them cheater
dev cheating us from payment and about the bounty ruler from the beginning
and the bounty hunter breaking the ruler for using multiple account

If we will stake to the rules at the start of the bounty, the cheaters were those bounty hunters who made multiple accounts. For the side of the bounty manager, it could be difficult for him to screen-out those having multi account unless they will ask for KYC... The difficult task was on the side of the developer and the team as they will decide base on the future of their project...We can't judge those developer as they have been affected with the bearish market and they also did their part to make their project successful. For me, this is all about money and those cheater are greedy people that will do everything for their self interest.

Lmao ;D ;D ;D
To be honest, in this case it's what we bounty hunters tend to see all the time even in the most seemingly legit projects, the team members might have not kept their words but that doesn't make them cheaters though, they are just looking out for the best interest of their projects.

They are all cheaters. If a bounty host does not keep to the timeline specified in the bounty campaign rules, then that bounty host is a cheater.. Additionally, if a bounty hunter does not follow the rules of the bounty, they are also cheating.

That's reality and report cheater is the best thing we can do, cheater make bounty hunter look's bad. maybe you'll not agree with me about report but as long we can give them proof I think real bounty hunter will get great payment for their works. I don't see any solutions just never become cheater will make bitcointalk forum grow up more bigger than before.

in fact all the cheaters were guilty of their own capacity. when the bounty hunter joins campaign with many accounts it is clearly a mistake. and vice versa dev also cannot apply fraudulently to bounty hunters by changing allocations or rules suddenly. maybe all of that has been written in the agreement, but the behavior carried out is clearly detrimental and for its own benefit, it is clearly not very good.

You are right but the fact that the majority of these so called dev do these to scam bounty hunters means that we can begin suspecting devs that use the same strategies to cheat their bounty hunters.
We have given full mandate to these people and for that reason, they do change rules at any time that they want which is very worrying.

In my country, we always say that any thief that is not caught and convicted is not really a thief, so for double account cheaters, double account cheaters are not always caught but dishonest project managers are always caught so I think they are the cheaters.

If the continuity group distributes the bonus, I cannot trust the project. And that project will become a scam soon because of their weakness, if the project wants to grow strong and become good altcoin, they have to do small things as quickly as possible, like they need to complete their statements ahead of time

Yes, delay in bounty payments does not always mean that the team cheated but in crypto sphere people dont play with time, rules and regulations cause it very vitals. However, I believe lead to project team delaying bounty hunters payment is because they dont want the price of the coin to dump because they believe bounty hunters are always behind the dump in price of new project while the early miners are always the one behind it.

All of them are cheaters. I mean it is unfair to have several accounts for one bounty programme to get bigger rewards, but on the other hand it is very dishonest from the team, because in 99 percent of cases the teams are doing exactly in the way that you have described and this is pretty sad.

It is not easy to determine exact reasons but it is all depend on experience of person at the end. Bounty rewards are main reason for dump after listing on the exchanges but teams should analyze situation for this reason because blaming bounty hunters is easy. Private investors who bought a lot of cheap tokens  have interest to sell on exchanges for buying cheap on lower prices later.

Cheaters all over the place. Crypto market not regulated and many participants use this for their favor. ICOs should be regulated and scammer devs eliminated.

I guess in this circumstances, both are cheater but most times I can be very annoying seeing dev and team delaying the rewards of bounty hunters after working for months.

Both cheated on each other but what about participants with one account, they didn't cheat nobody and they are scammed. All this doesn't matter because you said team dumped tokens so team scammed investors and they are really the ones who got hurt.

And sometimes we don't receive our deserved bounties. I for example didn't receive Juno tokens but they made me wear for months even after they already knew they wouldn't make it.

I do not understand this monologue because I know that 2,000 hunters are worried about their work. For frequent telegrams, conals do not inform us well. That's all. And when hundreds of projects. Chats are full of the same question.

that happens. 20 percents from those campaigns in which I take part turned out to be a scam. and this is still good statistics

for reward bounty problems they may not dare to give a bounty reward first because the market conditions are not good and that in my opinion is reasonable and a good step so that their investors do not lose money because most of their bounty hunters only care about money but not the token For cheating, of course the bounty hunter is still the main actor

very reasonable, I think both are problematic

the team buys time until the value is really low, and participants use multiple accounts to get even more rewards

but with the existence of Kyc, actually this can already be solved.

For this matter dev and the team delay the bounty reward because of the bounty hunters dumping all their tokens with their multiple accounts and ruin the equilibrium of the market in that token. So for me its the bounty hunters

Mostly both are sometimes they cheat the bounty hunters and the team, for the bounty hunters some of them are making multiple account on the bounty and the team are not giving the right reward that earn for the bounty hunters.

There is a roadmap.
They should have abide into it. Why waste time if they cannot even follow their own rule.
Listing in exchanges is also there and it should happen like a week before the roadmap hits the date.

If that is not happening then get real fast into withdrawal. That will surely be dumped in a blink.
About distribution though, mostly they are trying to keep it safe to avoid dumps.

Basically, that's how bad our ICO and bounty management system is today, some managers do not let bounty hunters win. But I'm pretty happy to join campaign manage by one of the best manager so I couldn't experience such delays like that.

This has been the scenario and it is on so many projects, the distribution has been kept delaying for so many times and when they hit the market it takes weeks or even months before they distribute and they will only distribute it when the coin is worth nothing and bounty hunters only gets the crumbs.

If we are being sincere to ourselves, bounty hunters are being shortchanged by most of these ICOs even after a successful ICO many of them device different ways to defraud bounty hunters forgetting they are only asking for the services they rendered and not some free token.

You cannot actually call the team and developers the cheaters immediately because they are dependent on sales during their ICO period and they have so many considerations to make. There's no point in continuing the project if you can never get to establish it to register into an exchange which do cost a lot. They could not pay bounty hunters as well because they have no funds to do so. If they do a lot of promises without admitting the current status of the project and without transparency then it is may be the time that we can call them cheaters if they would run away without giving the bounty.

There must be something or some rules to be applied to bounty hunting and both sides should agree on it. Like when an ICO should be made it should have a starting capital to pay bounty hunters even how small and an option, sort of a bonus, will be added later for after they will be successful. The bounter hunters deserved this because they exerted a lot of time and effort as well. Bounty hunters who do have more accounts in a campaign can be considered cheating but I prefer to call them GREEDY!..

This is happening in most ICOS right now when a project had successfully concluded the ICO bounty hunters are forgotten, delay of payment is unacceptable and worst the token you will get is very minimal because of the cheater's in the bounty campaign.

Both doing cheating and this is the time the ico affected not to be successful. Cheaters affect so much in the projwct as they dont work properly and just want to cheat others same as the owner of the project that continue to delay the distribution until it goes into scammed.

Well, it can be both. The developer and bounty hunter. One thing to keep in mind, not all bounty hunters cheat by using multiple accounts, and not all developer teams give false promises. So, we should wisely react to it. As a bounty hunter, we must be wise and careful in analyzing the projects that will follow, including analyzing the Bounty manager who handles the bounty project, so that we can expect as needed. We also have to understand the risks, the development of the project is not always in accordance with the roadmap, so the developer team will definitely do the best for the development of the project.
The key is on your own, you must be able to choose the right project, be patient, and understand the risks.

In my opinion would be the bounty hunter, since it already been mentioned that the participant will only allowed to join using a single account per person.
But instead they join the campaign using multiple account.

 The person who does quality work from several accounts is not a scam. A fraudster is one who steals the work of hunters, and publishes them in bounty. Thereby stealing rewards workaholic.

This people made bounty hunters look bad and bounty hunters has no other means than to become hard on them. They are just being wicked on hunters because they know we had no choice and a means to fight back

I think both have their fault and some in bounty hunter are so clean that they don't have more than 1account and those using multiple account will makes them suffer too and why some makes up their mind to cheat and on the part of the team , I think they also have some challenges back office which can't be given to public so as not to cause chao in the project but some team are just a cheater too and nothing willing to give reward to the hunter until the price dump with excuse of hunter be the reason for drop in price but I have also see many case where only investors are the one trading the token but the price still dump to 90-95% from ICO price before hunter could even receive their reward , so I see both as cheater while in both we still have some that are clean and don't even have the mind to cheat .

And again its a role of bounty manager to eliminate those hunters with multiple account by putting a measure in place and if they can't as their role then we shouldn't blame the cheater in bounty as the manager should be cos he is not competent enough to handle such.

It seems to me not a significant question of having several accounts by bounty hunters. If these accounts are not fake, they have real subscribers who actively manifest themselves during the bounty campaign, then such accounts bring more benefit to the project than single accounts that are not related to the crypto theme. In essence, the main goal of the project team is to achieve a hardcap, and if it is achieved, then multiple accounts will not be a problem. Therefore, I believe that it is necessary to punish not for owning several accounts, but on the basis of the benefits for the tokensale that these accounts bring.

Fraud happens a lot and it can be done by anyone. So many Bounty projects now use KYC. And the purpose of KYC is to prevent fraud, but the use of KYC is also risky. Many Bounty participants can pass KYC, but still, don't get tokens.

It goes both the ways. There are many bounty hunters holding multiple accounts and in case of project owners, they are under various circumstances telling a lie in terms of exchange listing, bounty distribution and many more others. Project owners may be doing so just due to various reasons. So we can tell that if bounty holders are having multiple accounts, they are cheater and if fake projects are cheating investors  and bounty hunters, they are put in the same category. 

so we have to be careful and don't be careless sometimes we are rash so fraudsters are very easy to do various ways to get it.

at least by using KYC it can be safer even if things that are not good can happen but can reduce the bad things that happen.

Both are cheaters. But I'm on the team side.

I'm sure the team knows that there are lots of cheaters and for sure they can't find it one by one because of the participant numbers.
Many bounty hunters cheated by using too many accounts which is seriously unfair for the legit participants. And the token team, despite knowing this, they can't do anything about it except for delaying the token distribution because they know if they distribute it too fast, the token will be dipping real hard and can harm the value.

I think it would be great if the token team implement the KYC system for distribution, although it won't help much, at least it'll make the dishonest participants tired.

I want to say the team is not right position. Because why they support multiple account (fb,tw,linkdin etc)?  If they support multiple account for per person then main cheater is the team. Secondly the bounty hunters who use multiple account fo advertising. Thanks

If they have proof that someone is trying to commit fraud, and that is the deceiver. Many people try to commit fraud because this is a very large industry. And when it came to the ICO project and the project turned out to be a scam, of course, many people were cheated including investors.

In my own opinion, the cheater is the dev and team that is delaying the bounty rewards. Even the bounty hunters have multiple accounts, they still have done their parts, they do what they needed to do. But in the part of the dev, they don't do what they really say.

There is a 50/50 situation. It’s impossible to say 100% that the team is a fraud, but the fact that it violated conditions is bad and undermines its authority. Most importantly, the team, nevertheless, rewarded the bounty hunters, then it will not be called a fraud.
If we talk about multiple accounts, then in this I do not see anything terrible. Behind these records are real people who do their work.

According to me those person who make the multiple accounts in social media like facebook, twitter, linked in etc are Cheaters and secondly Bounty hunters are also cheaters.

And bounty hunters, and developers to some extent are scammers. Hunters are trying to earn as much as possible at the expense of several account, and developers can fool bounty hunters and not pay out the reward.

The cheaters the the ones who cheating. With regards to your post, both cheated each other. For bounty hunters cheating the team, even if they have followed the rules they would still be cheated by the team for having a delay of token distribution.

https://i.imgur.com/bSq89f6.png

The meaning google search gave is very clear.
It applies to both since the project team is not taking responsible of their word. To much promises from them but as long as they make the payment then it's okay for me since I can just wait until the token/coin rises again in price. I hate more those who makes duplicate accounts to participate in bounties as it is very unfair to those who have followed the rules.

I dislike the unfair behavior of the development team. How can you trust a team that does not fulfill its promises? If the development team fulfills all that it promised, it means that the project is trustworthy.
I don’t like multiaccunts either, it’s not fair either.

This is what commonly the problem with a low raised-fund projects, even they've reached the soft capitalization there are times that some matters are not being included on calculations, so there are factors to be diminished like the pool of bounty which has the least percentage of the raised funds. This is why some project after ICO becomes nothing when introduced to the market because of poor working product due to low funds.

Using multiple account is a cheating. I think bounty hunter is cheater they only care about the reward but not follow rules from team. But, KYC can solve this problem. Team will use KYC to filter cheater. But sometimes some hunters cant pass KYC and did not get the reward.

Maybe it looks a little funny, but that's the truth. I think maybe the two of them could be considered fraudsters and that would be very difficult to avoid because yes this is a virtual world that even we ourselves cannot know whether they are genuine or fake.

Well what you outlined is not far from the truth,  going by this analysis,  I would say it cuts across both parties,  though some hunters are the most cheaters but some Dev and team are also responsible for this kind of cheating, changing rules towards the end of the bounty. So I can't specifically point at who the actually cheater is because both parties are one way or the other guilty to this.  Only some Dev will keep to their rules and won't change it no matter what. Any way, we all should desist from cheating

If a bounty hunter uses several accounts and correctly performs his work, then he is definitely not a crook, but more a workaholic. And the one who appropriates or steals other people's money or rewards is a true villain.

In my opinion the delay in giving tokens to bounty participants cannot be said to be a scam. I rarely receive tokens after the token is listed on the market. So in my opinion what you experience is just a coincidence because the project team is busy so there is a delay in giving the bounty participants tokens.

Those cheaters are the who has a multiple account in bounty campaign, such as in Signature, telegram, reddit, Facebook, and twitter.
Then aside from this, there are some project after their ico ended up if someone will ask them when distribution will be distribute
" They would say wait for further announcement " then after that they won't give any updates about in the project, until they will abandon
their channel and bounty thread section here in the forum.

Bounty hunters is most population of the cheaters but not all. What ever you do like cheating it is not good or fair who have 1 only account here at bitcointalk or like in the social media they join more accounts with same person. There is a lot of cheater now and It will not help to the community it can cause only dumping.

Most of the developers today are cheaters they will list tokens after 3-4 months into a very cheap exchange with no volume, and no single buyer is willing to buy even the project collected million dollar on ICO, I dont know why they are happening very many exchanges today that has very very low volume for me, I prefer only 10 exchanges existing with huge volume than hundreds of exchanges which is 80% is only a garbage.

these delays in payments already create serious protests in bounty hunter companies. the fact is that the postponement of payments leads to the fact that projects simply do not pay to people who have worked on marketing. projects collect 50 percent of the money thanks to bounty hunters. that's why it is not honest to delay

all of you are scammers, every hunter who cheats a campaign is a scammer and also every token or coin that has no value = dead coin as well as a scammer.
because cheater make a lot of people harmed.

Exactly, people who come with clear intent to steal other money such as tokens or any other rewards are just sarcastic. Similarly you can find them in ICO's where once the project is done they will not pay the amount which probably happens these days.

if the bounty hunters have more than one account to run the campaign can be considered cheating or can be considered smart. why is it considered cheating because they can get multiple prizes from the campaign and be smart because they can take advantage of the situation. For the Team that makes ICO with such reasons I think they are underfunded and even worse they bring investors money

if you say like that I agree with you. It's good if hunters don't use a lot of accounts because that would make the ICO project not develop and only be in a dense place.

It has already been confirmed several times that it is not the fault of the bounty hunters that the price is dumped right after listing. This is because some ICOs give early investors huge discounts, up to 90%. These investors do not want to wait for the project to be developed and cash out profits immediately after listing on exchange. I would not say that this is a scam, but a very big mistake of developers.

Cheaters are simply people who just use various available tools to either earn more than others or scam others for what they have.  But can we say bounty hunters who are cheaters are hard working since they go the extra mile to obtain or earn more rewards?? ;D ;D ;D

Fraud among hunters does not significantly affect the quality of the product offered by the company. Moreover, not everyone receives awards in full volume because of non-essential non-compliance with the rules and other circumstances, for example, due to the reduction of awards. And it is not uncommon that the team does not promote the product, does not fulfill its obligations properly, and few inform the participants about the problems. In this case, fraud in the team.

seriously? only 5?
Can you count "them" from this transaction?
https://etherscan.io/address/0xe6c2d451936dfca11fa968426b93e70f8a135221#tokentxns
Marlboroza and I count the "alt" wallet which is connected to the main wallet are more than 400 wallet.

Both of them and the projects too.

In this case obviously the cheater is the bounty campaign managers since they have allowed multiple accounts being used just to make sure people promote their project in more places so they have a higher income at the end. They have allowed people to use multiple accounts because they knew at the end they are not going to pay anyone so it seems like this was their plan from the beginning

and maybe like that but for more details I don't understand, what is clear is that fraudsters are people who don't know who it is but want the results of fraud and he is very cunning.
fraudsters can do anything to get it quickly, so we have to be careful, maybe if it can be tracked and investigated it know who that person is.

Without being biased, anyone that is not satisfied with what he has or gets happy by depriving people of what rightfully belongs to them. This is what scammers or cheaters do.
I have seen some bounty managers, as well as some bounty participants, trying to get what they are not qualified for.

I think when bounty managers launch bounty campaigns, they always add disclaimers to the rules of the bounty campaign. Mostly this disclaim talks about how the bounty managers have the right to change the general rules of the bounty. For me i don't think there is a cheater here.

I've saw a post just like the same as this, yes I understand what you are feeling from these bounties but please do consider if a topic is already posted, then create a new one which will going to be original and at the same time, constructive. But at the end of the text, you've ask who is the cheater? Well I can say both. There's no reason to suspend payments if they reached their cap but people should still work legally, not using alts but to be disciplined.

Here, the cheaters are definitely ico owners. I saw it many times and it happened to me. They know that the price will drop when the prize is distributed. I find this right because the price is determined by bounty owners in the first place, and they cause price to fall.

It is kind of funny but that this is the way things have been happening for some time now.To me both can be cheater,it all depends,many at times team try to delay the payment of bounty hunters due to some reasons best known to them which i will not totally agree with,maybe this should have been made known to hunters from the once set.Many at times hunters can be that cheater here.Great work.

Perfect description, just exactly the way it use to happen,I guess the bear market actually contribute to the whole thing,developer and team trying to protect their project, bounty hunter want to sell before price dump because they don't believe in success of most of these project anymore, I think any of them can be the cheater,it all depends on what is happening part time.

Looking at it critically, any of them can be the cheater depending in the circumstances surrounding the bounty process,it is very funny anyway to be having situation like this.

It would not be right to see bounty hunter as a dumper. If the project can calculate everything in the beginning, they do not encounter this result. Hunters participate in the campaign by accepting the terms, but not obeying the conditions indicates that devs do wrong.

Lol.. this post is so funny.. sadly this is the truth about bounty hunting nowadays.. both bounty hunters and project organizers are both cheaters

I feel like the main cheaters are the bounty hunters. One, having alt accounts is ban-able in this forum and that's cheating at the forum. Second, if there is a rule in a bounty that says no alt accounts must be enrolled, still there is. So, bounty hunters are just the cheater and bounty hunters are the people that dump coins and causes the fall of that coin.

ICO extension is a common thing. Almost every project prolongs the ICO and not all of them turn out to be scammers. Just now is the bad time and raise funds for the project is not so easy.

if you find cheaters, just report to: bounty manager - scam accusation board
like mine thread below. Data come from a campaign launched on forum.
enjoy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3097289.0

This is the reality of most bounty campaigns. Though some bounty hunters are cheater same also to developers that will be devising many cunning tactics just to deny and frustrate hunters before paying them for the tasks they did in promoting the project

For new projects today it is very difficult to collect funds. To a greater extent, investors today prefer to buy coins on the stock exchange several times cheaper than at the price of ico company. Perhaps because of this, many promising projects have no real opportunities for development.

There is no way that they are fully sure if price will drop or not, it depends on the community that invested, if they will dump the coin after exchange or not and these is very rampant with investors, they are the ones dumping these coins immediately it enters exchange and crashing the prices further more after selling off, this is the reason why we have seen so many ICOs we have already participated in and have refused to enter exchange.

I once participated in a project that has a very good product, it was doing greatly when it entered exchange, the product it has made the price to start shooting high until investors dumped it by almost selling off all their investment. So, the fault is from developers and not developers.

First one are the scammers and second are greedy bounty Hunters. Just for money , they make a trap which effect other bounty Hunter who are doing well. These cheaters should be stopped as soon as possible.

There is 3 cheater as i can understand.

1) Bounty manager doing sloppy job and not removing or figuring out bounty abusers.
2) Bounty abusers.
3) Team.

Typical situation. I see such situations everywhere at the end of ICO. And this is the fault of the project team. If they conducted the program well, there would be no such thing in the end.

Today it is very difficult to trust any ico company. If you start to study the available information, then everyone looks promising enough, but after the completion of the company's ico, you begin to understand that you should not expect results. TO

Both they are cheater the bounty hunters and the team because i see a lot of bounty hunters are using multiple accounts or making duplicate other accounts from the bounty hunters and sometimes the team they did not pay the reward mostly on bounty hunters.

Both of them are cheaters and unfortunately this is the main problem of this market, nobody is doing things honest. Hunters are trying to get more tokens than required and team members are waiting till the price dump to distribute the rewards. It is really unfair.

there are many bounty hunters who use many accounts to get more profits from their bounty results, and therefore developers outsmart it by delaying gifts for bounty hunters, until at the time that has been determined by the developer, I think there is no sense of trust between bounty hunter and developer team, so there is always suspicion among them.

Both are cheaters but I we personally blame developers or bounty managers delaying rewards or finding cunning ways of running away with hunters reward, if Bm stop distributing shit rewards for bounty hunters, i guess the issue of doing multiple accounts will definitely stopped.

developer can be cheater if they have promise to bounty hunter but they not keep promise, under condition when their ico success and already listed but reward still postponed. and many reason why developer can be cheater.
bounty hunter is cheater if they have many account in the same place, ico i mean. the rule is clear, so just obey the rules.

It doesn't who is the cheater in the situation like this. It is not okay for us bounty hunters to blame the ICO development team if they delayed our bounty payments or promised us the immediate listing on exchanges and it is not also okay if the development team will blame us if the price of their token/coin is suddenly dumped, for the reason that not all the time, bounty hunters are the ones who dumped it. Know first the reason before judging.

I think you may change your first line. Because you talked about favoring bounty hunters but at the first line you said you feel the main cheater are the bounty hunter. Personally, I think cheaters are available everywhere. But the project dev/team likes to play with the hunter. Some hunter uses multiple accounts, that is cheating. But at this moment, most of the project team is playing with every bounty hunter. The thread is the right example of what is going now! The ICO team, investors everyone blame bounty hunters if the token gets the dump, but bounty token yet to distribute! So, what is your call here? I think the main cheater at this moment are the project team, dev, and CEO!

This also shows that a project can be seen from a single aspect. Whether the bounty is distributed on time or not, can also indicate whether the project team is honest or not, and whether the project is worthy of our follow-up.

something happens and because of a lot of fraud, anyone can cheat so we have to be more careful.
ICO still hasn't improved and it's still very worrying to invest in it so for that we have to research more so that we move away from things that can cause losses.

You're right. But unfortunately, not all projects can pass this "test". The terms of the bounty often change. Pay rewards with big delays or reduce the pool of payments. or do not pay the promised rewards at all.

I think there are a very few cheaters in bounty hunters at this moment. For the longtime bear market, bitcointalk auto ban system, Merit system decreased the bounty cheater! But day by day project dev and team cheaters are increasing. Envion, Elysian and tokenpay devs are totally lier and cheater, they cheat bounty hunters! And your thread is very real nowadays and this thread is showing everyone who is the real cheater!

Both of them are cheating but bounty hunters bring results to the project by promoting them, it is shortchanging them if they do not give the rewards in due time, in the end bounty hunters get the worst of the bargain, Dev get their funding bounty hunters gets nothing.

True, true. Bounty hunters are not the only one who is dumping the token. The team is dumping their own token, not only by selling them but also by not doing anything what can be called as a progress.

Lols you made me laugh with your topic. In most cases what you have listed was true bounty hunters kep asking same question over and over while bounty managers give same answer over and over again. For me both are cheater in different ways.

Once you cheat it is not good, but better tl be honest in every situation being fair in every situation is not down you but it gives you more blessings because if you fair everytime and don't cheat there's no problem will happen. I think all of that is cheater and better to not do cheating in joining in campaign with both accounts in one person only or multiple accounts because they have consequences after that.

I have known with these scenarios! Most of the ICO projects are falling down one of these reasons! Bounty hunters are not helping them because of their suspicious activities! ICO project seems to betray with the bounty payment every time, they excuse the market condition but when the price dump they don't blame the market condition except bounty hunter. I am not seeing bounty cheater anymore, real hunters are working hard to get their deserved payment but the ICO/ITO/Crypto projects are extending the payment date, pausing the date without any proper info! So that those projects are going to vanish too! So, the real cheater is the project team and devs, not hunters!

They are both cheaters but bounty hunters end up the loser here because, he'll get nothing for working months of promoting the coin, while dev is on vacation for the money the bounty hunter has helped to generate.

If you are going to weigh all the pros and cons of both sides, I think it is much heavier in case of the developers and the project it self, basically bounty hunters joining multiple accounts enables to help much more because they promote even way more better, their coins is that, there is a huge chance of dumping, on the other side, developers and team who do not pay is worse compared to people who are cheating but intended to help them, just my opinion at all.

unfair treatment to the bounty hunters will soon change, I think that soon we will start making good money)

There are no such prerequisites, I wonder why you think so? A bounty campaign is not a new process to promote a coin or a project. We will not pay much already.

It is bad time for bounty hunters as price are not high but don’t worry at all, I know when everything changes it changes for the best, I know right now we will have to wait with patience and wait as I have seen some people got really dishearten but they should wait as bounty helped in our bad time with high payments soon it will again rise and increase the income of the participants, not all campaigns are cheaters, I personally only trust bitcointalk.org.

I think both are doing their part for them to earn and secure their income. Some bounty hunters are probably cheating, which is really against the rule, because they wanted to earn more monet. On the other hand, ICO team is doing their part to protect investors, market value of their coin/token, and the project for further dump that is why they are doing this.

Both the bounty hunters using multiple account for bounty campaign and the devs with delay tactics are both cheaters, the devs intentionally delay bounty rewards to cheat bounty hunters while bounty hunters cheat by using multiple account

Of course Developer team is the cheater in your case here. They should fulfill what they promised.
Many peoples think the dump of the tokens are because hunters selling their reward.
But in reality, it is not always hunters who causing the dump. It could be any big investors sell their token.

I'd say both are cheaters because bounty hunters still make use of multiple accounts,developers and bounty managers too delay payout to cheat hunters as well and some will force KYC that was never implemented in the first place

Bounty Manager has the obligation to its bounty participants they should be the one making a follow up regarding bounty payments and distributions. That's why skip those bounty campaigns that is self manage by the ICO Company. Since they have a reputation as a bounty manager to protect, they can change the TERMS on the fly and prevent them in paying bounty hunters in due time.

The both parties are charters. Cheating occurs when people are not true to their words if bounty rewards is meant to be paid within 45 days it should be paid not delayed indefinitely.

Lol! I love this point of view mate :D i mean, if you actually look at it from this perspective, any bounty hunter who register with multiple account will really have to work multiple times than rest member for all accounts to get payments :o this no easy task making post for lets say 5 different sig acct and meeting up with required post each week to get stakes, tough, dev on the other hand are seeking what is best for their project, so it goes hand in hand ;D

This analogy goes a long way to depict the dishonesty riddled in the crypto sphere. From the project developers to the bounty hunters to the airdroppers, to exchange markets. Everyone is looking for a loophole to take an advantage of and cheat.

this is little bit complicated but if you ask me, I do say the team are the cheaters, in as much as the hunters with multiple accounts cheated yet the team can purge them out in no time. But because the team are full of deceit, they did but dumbed there tokenfirst

It is very funny but most times that is the way it is with most of these campaign,bounty hunters on the neck of taem asking for their rewards,team and manager trying to come up with different excuses maybe to protect their project,many at times bounty hunters are involve in multiple account,it is difficult to say who the cheater is.

The bounty manager matters as well it's good to join a campaign with reputable managers or companies because they always try to manage good projects who I'll pay the hunters in return.