Who is the cheater?

[kewlc3s]

Unfortunately it is common practice..
Almost every campaign delay token distribution for bounty hunters and got a lot of things to say about that.
But, you must admit - there are huge numbers of cheaters and scammers within bounty hunters.
My answer - both! 

[Perfect35]

There was a particular project, where the team had handed over all the tokens for bounty hunters to the manager.
We later got to know that he earmarked mist of the tokens for himself and paid the hunters below what they qualified for.
This can also happen through the team and in different areas.

[sabine80]

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My answer - both! 

this is unfortunately true. there are many scam bountys, but also many bounty participants trying to cheat. on both sides there are cheaters, big and small and all just want to make money.

[Jating]

Yes, both of them can be called cheaters.

Bounty hunters - enrolling multiple alts in a campaign so that they can claim more rewards.
ICO's - most of them are scammers and just putting up projects to be used as a pump-and-dump scheme.

So I guess no one is to blame here, sad but true.

[Nggedebus]

TEAM: The campaign will run from now to.........., the bounty rewards will be distributed 45 days after token sales
GENERAL RULES: One account per person
BOUNTY HUNTERS: joined
 5 telegram account per person
 3 bitcointalk account per person
 5 facebook account per person
 4 twitter account per person
 2 Reddit account per person
 2 LinkedIn account per person

Two days to the end of ICO...
TEAM: Due to some reasons,the ICO will be extended for two weeks
BOUNTY HUNTERS: Can we stop the campaign and remove the signature?
TEAM: No,the campaign will continue to the end of ICO.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We can't discuss exchange now,we will announce when is time.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: Wait for announcement here.

After ICO......
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We are preparing announcement, wait for it.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune.
TEAM: Our coin will be listed on....... on .....
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune

After listing...

BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards?
TEAM: We will give the announcement in days.

After coin dumped...
TEAM: The bounty rewards will be distributed in 3 weeks.


      Bounty hunters using multiple account,
      Dev and team delaying bounty rewards until it worth nothing.
     Then who is the cheater?

I think the cheater would be the bounty participant cause they are joining the bounty using multiple account. And the dev can't be considered being cheater cause they are paying the bounty participant even though it's late.

[ryan992]

the cheaters mostly the bounty hunters itself, I have experience about it, example, in one bounty campaign someone or more, use my social media, telegram, my btt username etc to register, and I have to report it to Bounty Manager or Dev and explain with proof. its me, what abput the others? this is which make bounty manager or dev delay the distribution because they must check all participant in the spreadsheet. its not easy task. I also admit it some case BM or Dev cheat to us, but mostly Bounty Hunters itself

[meldrio1]

hmm.. The cheaters I think the bounty hunters who has many accounts to do bounties. Dev or the team even they delayed the distribution at least they send the tokens to the bounty hunters.

[nreal]

The sad truth is that most bounty campaigns take place the way you describe them. That may be the consequence of the bear market.

[libert19]

That's subjective. Not all bounty hunters use multiple accounts (and anyway, bitcointalk account farming is almost impossible now due to merit implementation) and not all projects are scams.

[Igor.J]

I think we have got so many cheater among bounty hunters and so many scammers among so called dev and team,but at times delay in payment of bounty rewards may not necessarily mean to cheat bounty hunters.

Not always of course, but in the main case, yes. If there is a delay, it is already clear that now they will think about how to reduce the fee for remuneration or the passage of difficult conditions such as KYC, to which not everyone will agree.

[ivaf]

Business is a dirty thing. As the saying goes, "dog eat dog." Everyone is trying to get more favorable conditions for themselves. As a result, we have what we have: bounty hunters try to get more tokens using multi-accounts; the team delays the distribution of tokens as much as possible for fear of a sharp price drop.
So no one cheater. It is just a business.

[shesheboy]

That's subjective. Not all bounty hunters use multiple accounts (and anyway, bitcointalk account farming is almost impossible now due to merit implementation) and not all projects are scams.

exactly ! the explained scenario is totally subjective or dependent  but if we will analyse carefully we can see that bounty campaigns ( ico's ) are the real evil because they can scam hundreds and thousand of people not just only on this forum but anywhere  . bounty hunters that have multi accounts were only known on this forum but on other sites , user's do usually have a single account due to thier low reward structure .

The bounty hunter first break the rules for using multiple accounts to take advantage the opportunity, in the end I think he deserves what happened because he cheated from the beginning.

let say he cheated some rules but a bounty hunter still works hard to do his job so that he can get paid but the campaign didnt payed him .

However for participants who follow the rules its not fair for them to not get their reward as promise by the team since they work hard for it and now the price is already dump in exchanges.

its ok if the coin was dumpedd but atleast you got paid by a working coin . whats bad is if thier pay inactive coins or worst they didnt pay at all .

[Georgiyk]

Many projects change conditions for the campaign period. The ico extension is not uncommon, it is rather a necessary measure. Many projects do not count forces and do not fit into the deadlines.
Of course, this is more annoying, because bounty hunters rely on their strength and hope that the project will start and end on time.
Now is the time when the team rarely fulfills the conditions at 100%. First extend ico, then stretch out with awards, then pull with access to exchanges. It has already reached the point that hunters are happy when they are paid at all.
But if the project is still completed and remuneration is paid, albeit with a delay, the project is not fraudulent.

[florac9]

Both bounty hunting and bounty managing have advantages and disadvantages ,for example bounty hunters have to worried about when to get paid so that they can sell and many of them uses multiple accounts and that doesn't mean they will make huge money that way because the bounty might not pay on the long run and bounty managers have to worry about making sure that all participants get there rewards and sometimes they cheat too ,like not getting enough reward for the hard work done,the fear of dumpers make some bounties seize tokens for months ,I think its all business

[3kpk3]

Business is a dirty thing. As the saying goes, "dog eat dog." Everyone is trying to get more favorable conditions for themselves. As a result, we have what we have: bounty hunters try to get more tokens using multi-accounts; the team delays the distribution of tokens as much as possible for fear of a sharp price drop.
So no one cheater. It is just a business.

This is true. Everyone are aware of how volatile this market truly is and how any coin can rise or fall in value suddenly with or without any specific reason making this market one of the riskiest markets to invest into. However, high risk leads to high rewards sometimes which is why it is best to invest only what you are willing to lose no matter how the market conditions are(bullish or bearish).

[OcTA Bd]

Definitely it's alarming that day to day the number of fake bounty Hunters are increasing. It will fall a worst impact on this group.

[voron83-05]

Delay in payments does not always mean that the team cheats, sometimes the project is so weak that the team simply does not risk putting more coins into circulation!

[yescrypto]

They are both the cheater. But one is a bit more than the others, someone using multiple accounts to run a campaign have no problem as long as he does everything required it's left to the campaign manager to detect the act and I don't think everyone does that. But for a project delaying distribution date to avoid dumping and the price later drop is the cheater.

[Absolutep]

To me in such circumstances, both can be refer to as cheater because it is against the rule of a campaign to use multiple account and on the side of the dev and team, it is wrong to delay payment to bounty hunter.

[Gridness]

i think both can be a professional and can be a cheater. bounty hunters must obey the rules and the Dev must obey the rules they make too, pay on the time.