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Title: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: rhodiumdivulge on March 18, 2019, 01:58:20 AM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87. The Bitcoin immediately showed up in my Blockchain.info account when I went back home and checked on the computer. I was not familiar with the concepts of cryptocurrency, so that same day I decided to sent Bitcoin to an address. When I sent to the address, I chose a $0.03 fee which is ridiculously low, now that I know. This transaction has now been stuck for a long time now. When I went back and checked everything again, I found out that I had spent that Bitcoin from an unconfirmed transaction which is still pending 0/3 confirmations. I clicked on the transaction ID of the ATM transaction and found out that a $1.25 miners fee was given and It still isn't confirmed. With the same transaction from the ATM, when I clicked on the transaction ID, it has over 600 confirmations. And when I select the transaction of where I sent Bitcoin, that as well has over 600 confirmations, but Blockchain.info says that both are still pending. As of now, I'm very confused to as what is happening. Can someone explain?


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: libert19 on March 18, 2019, 02:54:25 AM
Mind sharing your address/transaction id? Afaik, you can not spend funds that are yet to be confirmed.

I pay around 20-30 cents for my BTC transactions and they get confirmed within 5 minutes.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: mk4 on March 18, 2019, 03:15:00 AM
Not sure if I could follow. So you sent bitcoin to an address with a $0.03 fee, hence the transaction got stuck. But then you managed to spend the bitcoin, a second time, with the first transaction being unconfirmed? Also, you "clicked" on the ATM transaction and you found out that it still isn't confirmed; then you clicked it again and saw 600 confirmations? I'm extremely confused.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: pooya87 on March 18, 2019, 04:01:37 AM
blockchain.com(previously .info) is known to have many different bugs in their system which they never solve. so i wouldn't be surprised to know that the transaction is already confirmed. but to be sure (in case you don't want to share it online) you can take the transaction ID they show you in your wallet and use another block explorer (like blockcypher or blockchair) and check the status of that transaction. if your tx was not confirmed then check the one it is spending, if that was also not confirmed then try going back as much as you can and see whether what you have is a chain of unconfirmed transactions because at the moment that is the only way possible for transactions with such fees to remain unconfirmed since low fee txs are also being confirmed fast these days.

and finally i would suggest using a desktop wallet instead of a web wallet such as blockchain.com. Electrum is a good one. first learn how to use them, download from the official website and make sure to verify their signature and then move your funds there.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: sheenshane on March 18, 2019, 04:51:45 AM
You've been bought Bitcoin from ATM machine and the transaction fee was $1.5 to your web wallet address which is blockchain.com and then you've sent into another address and you've set in 0.03$ fee which very low fees. It's very simple logic, high fees with fast transaction and low fees of course low transaction.
Yes, web wallet is not safe it is better to install desktop wallet here: https://electrum.org/. You can set into 5 blocks which it takes minutes to wait only.



Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: awawo on March 18, 2019, 05:58:37 AM
The easiest way you can get help with your problem is to produce your bitcoin address and the transaction link so that members of the  community can help you with the right advice, if the transaction is stock as an unconfirmed then any one willing can help you accelerate the transaction on blockchain.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: pawanjain on March 18, 2019, 06:16:30 AM
It's quite obvious that you have made a mistake here by not learning the basics of making a bitcoin transaction. Also your post is a little ambiguous.
You should have posted the transaction ID for better understanding and solution to your problem.
From all what I understand from your post is that you have some pending unconfirmed transactions and because of this the latest transactions are still unconfirmed.
The Low fees is not such big of an issue right now because it will get confirmed eventually but make sure that earlier transactions are getting confirmed before that.
If you find any trouble in getting your transaction confirmed then you can also try to accelerate it by any transaction accelerator ( vaibtc is good).
You can also ask anybody here to help you with these things since you are a beginner but for that you will have to post the link to the unconfirmed transaction.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: alisafidel58 on March 18, 2019, 06:34:25 AM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87. The Bitcoin immediately showed up in my Blockchain.info account when I went back home and checked on the computer. I was not familiar with the concepts of cryptocurrency, so that same day I decided to sent Bitcoin to an address. When I sent to the address, I chose a $0.03 fee which is ridiculously low, now that I know. This transaction has now been stuck for a long time now. When I went back and checked everything again, I found out that I had spent that Bitcoin from an unconfirmed transaction which is still pending 0/3 confirmations. I clicked on the transaction ID of the ATM transaction and found out that a $1.25 miners fee was given and It still isn't confirmed. With the same transaction from the ATM, when I clicked on the transaction ID, it has over 600 confirmations. And when I select the transaction of where I sent Bitcoin, that as well has over 600 confirmations, but Blockchain.info says that both are still pending. As of now, I'm very confused to as what is happening. Can someone explain?

Setting up low fees will really gave you a head ache, just dont adjust the fees when sending bitcoins, it will make your transaction a lot easier.

I found out that I had spent that Bitcoin from an unconfirmed transaction which is still pending 0/3 confirmations.

If your first transaction is still pending then which is from the ATM through your bitcoin address then likewise the 2nd transaction will also be pending since there is no amount to be sent.

With the same transaction from the ATM, when I clicked on the transaction ID, it has over 600 confirmations. And when I select the transaction of where I sent Bitcoin, that as well has over 600 confirmations, but Blockchain.info says that both are still pending

This one is though, maybe you could paste the transaction here it would help to solve your case.



Go here pool.viabtc.com (https://pool.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/) just put your transaction id there and they will accelerate what ever transaction that is pending for you.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: rhodiumdivulge on March 18, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
Here are the two transactions:

When I bought Bitcoin from the ATM:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/624bab58d1468b79fb5fadd420a35440f478e3b1a26be93be5b40355fa8af524/

When I sent to the address:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/29aed8d3ced73f59f2c6c58b9b7a5d63cb5191fd66e926e732aa1b20e3ce7923/

It says that both transactions are confirmed but Blockchain.info says that they are not. The Bitcoin has also not gotten to the wallet that I had sent to in the second transaction.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: smartbitcoininvestor on March 18, 2019, 06:42:32 PM
Give the ATM operator a call. I'm sure it has something to do with the fees of the transaction. If not, you should be able to talk to a representative about it.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: Upgrade00 on March 18, 2019, 07:00:46 PM
Give the ATM operator a call. I'm sure it has something to do with the fees of the transaction. If not, you should be able to talk to a representative about it.

This would be the best option as it seems the transaction made at the ATM was never confirmed even though the user got the message in his/her blockchain.info account.
It could be a technical issue that could be resolved.

I know blockchain transactions are in reversible, but as the second translation has had no confirmation, would it be possible to cancel the transaction?


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: ralle14 on March 18, 2019, 07:50:08 PM
The two transaction you linked appears to have more than 700+ confirmations. If Blockchain says they're not confirmed then the problem is on the wallet since it fails to receive the updated status of the transactions.

Find an alternative way to access your blockchain wallet like making a backup file of it and import the file on a different wallet.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: alina345 on March 18, 2019, 08:03:33 PM
Try purchasing through an exchange such as Paxful or LocalBitcoins. This way you can keep your Bitcoins close to you.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: mk4 on March 19, 2019, 12:08:31 AM
It says that both transactions are confirmed but Blockchain.info says that they are not. The Bitcoin has also not gotten to the wallet that I had sent to in the second transaction.

Are you referring to the Blockchain.info block explorer or the wallet? Because both transactions you listed are confirmed when checked via the explorer:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/624bab58d1468b79fb5fadd420a35440f478e3b1a26be93be5b40355fa8af524
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/29aed8d3ced73f59f2c6c58b9b7a5d63cb5191fd66e926e732aa1b20e3ce7923


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: Artemis3 on March 19, 2019, 12:09:27 AM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87.

13 USD for the ATM fee? I definitively wouldn't use an ATM when its so much simpler and cheaper to do it online. I guess that's the price for privacy? But the ATMs should be protected, and video camera covered...


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: libert19 on March 19, 2019, 03:26:06 AM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87.

13 USD for the ATM fee? I definitively wouldn't use an ATM when its so much simpler and cheaper to do it online. I guess that's the price for privacy? But the ATMs should be protected, and video camera covered...

Probably that's why people are hesitant to use direct crypto - fiat ATM's, fees don't make it worthy to use.

Here are the two transactions:

When I bought Bitcoin from the ATM:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/624bab58d1468b79fb5fadd420a35440f478e3b1a26be93be5b40355fa8af524/

When I sent to the address:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/29aed8d3ced73f59f2c6c58b9b7a5d63cb5191fd66e926e732aa1b20e3ce7923/

It says that both transactions are confirmed but Blockchain.info says that they are not. The Bitcoin has also not gotten to the wallet that I had sent to in the second transaction.

Can you try importing your pvk to other wallet? Problem seems to be on Blockchain.info's side.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: pooya87 on March 19, 2019, 03:37:21 AM
Here are the two transactions:

When I bought Bitcoin from the ATM:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/624bab58d1468b79fb5fadd420a35440f478e3b1a26be93be5b40355fa8af524/

When I sent to the address:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/29aed8d3ced73f59f2c6c58b9b7a5d63cb5191fd66e926e732aa1b20e3ce7923/

It says that both transactions are confirmed but Blockchain.info says that they are not. The Bitcoin has also not gotten to the wallet that I had sent to in the second transaction.

then as i suspected earlier this is another one of blockchain.com's nasty bugs which you are encountering in your wallet. try contacting the support via the links on their website and ask them to fix this. and (i am repeating myself) but move to a desktop wallet instead, they are much safer to use and if a bug is found, they will be fixed unlike blockchain.com where bugs are known to reside for years.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: Bitinity on March 19, 2019, 05:11:26 AM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87.

13 USD for the ATM fee? I definitively wouldn't use an ATM when its so much simpler and cheaper to do it online. I guess that's the price for privacy? But the ATMs should be protected, and video camera covered...

Probably he was trying to use the ATM for the first time because of curiousity of how it works. The high fee does not make senses obviously, as he should get less fee on exchange. Or perhaps he bought on atm because he do not want to use exchanges for a reason.

As mentioned already, the problem could be on the blockchain wallet. I have never experienced similar problem with blockchain, I used it regularly in last few months (the android app).


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: Ezenwanyi1 on March 19, 2019, 06:29:02 AM
I never knew it's even possible to spend the bitcoin that one have already sent to another wallet address....the narrative is even more confusing.
I know that most at times using the custom fee button and setting transaction fee to a lower figure makes confirmation of such transaction very slow.
But it's not possible to spend already spent bitcoin.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: smartbitcoininvestor on March 19, 2019, 06:44:38 AM
If the ATM you are using is malfunctioning, call the operator. If it doesn't work, find another Bitcoin ATM (https://www.smartbitcoininvestments.com/how-to-buy-bitcoins-online/#coin_atm_radar) close by where you are.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: Pursuer on March 19, 2019, 06:47:42 AM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87.

13 USD for the ATM fee? I definitively wouldn't use an ATM when its so much simpler and cheaper to do it online. I guess that's the price for privacy? But the ATMs should be protected, and video camera covered...

Probably he was trying to use the ATM for the first time because of curiousity of how it works. The high fee does not make senses obviously, as he should get less fee on exchange. Or perhaps he bought on atm because he do not want to use exchanges for a reason.

the high fees actually make good sense if you stop comparing the fees with other methods such as buying on an exchange.
the bitcoin ATM machines are offering a unique and without competition service for people who want some sort of big privacy when they buy bitcoin which is why they can charge outrageous fees on each purchase and people pay them because they have no other options.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: septi.JR on March 20, 2019, 11:39:17 AM
really strange, the question is why the cost of miners can spend your bitcoin balance, it seems that ATM is a problem, not from blockchain


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: koincik on March 20, 2019, 01:03:52 PM
I recently bought Bitcoin from an ATM. I tendered a $100 bill and got bitcoin worth $87. The Bitcoin immediately showed up in my Blockchain.info account when I went back home and checked on the computer. I was not familiar with the concepts of cryptocurrency, so that same day I decided to sent Bitcoin to an address. When I sent to the address, I chose a $0.03 fee which is ridiculously low, now that I know. This transaction has now been stuck for a long time now. When I went back and checked everything again, I found out that I had spent that Bitcoin from an unconfirmed transaction which is still pending 0/3 confirmations. I clicked on the transaction ID of the ATM transaction and found out that a $1.25 miners fee was given and It still isn't confirmed. With the same transaction from the ATM, when I clicked on the transaction ID, it has over 600 confirmations. And when I select the transaction of where I sent Bitcoin, that as well has over 600 confirmations, but Blockchain.info says that both are still pending. As of now, I'm very confused to as what is happening. Can someone explain?

It is more sensible to send a high fee at all times in case of such situations. The same thing happened to me once in Ethereum. In those days there was a congestion in the ETH network and I had to wait for days to complete.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: AB de Royse777 on March 20, 2019, 01:12:55 PM
~snip~
but Blockchain.info says that both are still pending. As of now, I'm very confused to as what is happening. Can someone explain?

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/29aed8d3ced73f59f2c6c58b9b7a5d63cb5191fd66e926e732aa1b20e3ce7923

The output addresses
1HyuuVnzQCE1o2cx2gLPM46TvfePDgBPcM
and
1GzaNh7jBSQzELsu2kDfBkqXADnEhvr2Dv

Are these your addresses or you sent for any service or to buy product?

If these are your address and if you have access of the private keys then you can just use Electrum and access the Bitcoin. You do not need to worried about Blockchain.com site. They are just an online wallet.

If you have paid for any service or product then, they already got the payment.

Either way, there are nothing about the confuse. You are good.

Next time use a proper wallet like Electrum.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: pawanjain on March 20, 2019, 02:40:38 PM
I never knew it's even possible to spend the bitcoin that one have already sent to another wallet address....the narrative is even more confusing.
I know that most at times using the custom fee button and setting transaction fee to a lower figure makes confirmation of such transaction very slow.
But it's not possible to spend already spent bitcoin.
Started searching the same on the internet but ended up getting more confused. Anybody here could explain clearly as how is it possible to refer a spent output as the input of a transaction.
From what I read, I got to know that only unspent outputs can act as a reference to the input of a transaction.


Title: Re: Transaction problem (Beginner)
Post by: GreatOrchid on March 20, 2019, 03:21:40 PM
blockchain.com(previously .info) is known to have many different bugs in their system which they never solve. so i wouldn't be surprised to know that the transaction is already confirmed. but to be sure (in case you don't want to share it online) you can take the transaction ID they show you in your wallet and use another block explorer (like blockcypher or blockchair) and check the status of that transaction. if your tx was not confirmed then check the one it is spending, if that was also not confirmed then try going back as much as you can and see whether what you have is a chain of unconfirmed transactions because at the moment that is the only way possible for transactions with such fees to remain unconfirmed since low fee txs are also being confirmed fast these days.

and finally i would suggest using a desktop wallet instead of a web wallet such as blockchain.com. Electrum is a good one. first learn how to use them, download from the official website and make sure to verify their signature and then move your funds there.
All the transaction that it is online is sometimes have minimal problem when it comes to payment or what so ever like in a block chain but it is normal. Also sometimes encountered a problem transaction like pending transaction or unconfirmed transaction. Currently i am using a coins.ph android application and sometimes in terms of transaction my request is pending but after a few minutes or more than hour but it is resolve immediately. Coins.ph application is one android app that I want to recommend to all of you because it is easy to use and it is a user friendly. Also in this app there is so many kinds of wallet like btc, xrp, eth and bch all in one in one application.