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So when does everyone admit totalitarianism is rising again world wide?

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/21/macr-m21.html

We hear very little about the Yellow Vests in the UK. It seems to me that the media and governments aren’t showing us what is really happening in France. I was in France a few weeks ago aand they were everywhere. Peaceful protests from what I could see. There seems to be an underlying disenchantment with European governments and psooslbly worldwide. As I say we are not shown much in the Uk. If this story is true, the army will really stoke the fires and create more disenchantment. Vive La France.

Sorry I stopped reading here :

"So the French government, lead by Prime Minister Emmanuel Macron"

Ahahahah

I find it beautiful cause... That's not totally wrong xD

We should call him French Prime President Minister. Cause he has both powers.

I am glad everyone thinks this is a joke. I guess that's what I get for sourcing a socialist website. It's ok though, I am sure the protests are winding down any day now ;)

I’m with you TECSHARE ,watch this space. I do believe that even though this is not the beginning, there is plenty more to come around Europe.

it never was absent actually, there where only psychological tricks that trapped many,

the rule was always executed by the few

They are overreacting. Are their police that weak? This is nothing compared to a regular protest in many countries outside Europe. I hope this backfire on his face.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6838623/French-soldiers-allowed-OPEN-FIRE-lives-threatened-Yellow-Vest-rioters.html

Did they  corrected the report now because I did not find any reference saying it as Prime Minister.

If French government is thinking of using the force against their own citizens then what will be difference between China's Tiananmen Square (http://1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests) and current French government.

The original link I used was from an aggregator site, which used the original uncorrected version they posted. I changed the link to the original source which has since been corrected. We are about to see a French revolution (among others).

Techshare has changed its link to a little more serious one.


I can't answer you now, I hear tanks coming into my city. I have to go.

Please don't believe everything you read on the internet, or at least read a little more than the article titles.

It is literally the same fucking article, just the original source. Way to prove you didn't even bother reading it while you chastise others for just reading the titles.

Original link for reference: https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/macron-to-deploy-french-army-against-yellow-vest-protests-this-is-the-first-time-since-the-1954-1962-algerian-war-that-the-army-is-to-be-mobilized-in-policing-opera/

Lessons from history and current day happenings show time and time again, (sort of ad infinitum) that violence does not pay off. The executive-, legislative- and judicial bodies ought to think hard about this, and remember the well documented egregious massacres of the past which unfolded within the borders of the sovereign state, between the citizens abiding within. This is no time to fear!! This is the opportune time (the best moment) to talk openly, unrestrictedly  and freely - with each other.

Unfortunately free speech in Europe is no longer a thing.

https://i.imgur.com/UkxByjz.jpg

Yeah 40k people... If that's not going down what is it?

So Macron is bringing in the military, and you think it is because the protests are dying down? That is the usual critical thought I expect from mOglie.

Oh shut the fuck up already.
Bring any number showing protests aren't dying or stop writting.
https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2479243-20190323-gilets-jaunes-acte-19-direct-suivez-19e-journee-mobilisation

45k people saturday. 200k people in January. What is it if it's not dying??

If you just believe your bullshit media not even able to name correctly the first leader of my country, don't expect to be well informed into what's happening.

So you are really doubling down and arguing that Macron is calling in the military to stop already dying protests? If that was the truth, wouldn't that actually be something that could make the protests WORSE? I am very truly sorry you lack basic abilities for critical thought and are so totally ignorant of the happenings going on around you in your own nation.

Your link says nothing about the source of your numbers. Additionally you have tried to source these numbers before, and they were all from either the police or the government, both which have a direct vested interest in downplaying the protests. It is time for all little boys and girls to put on their big boy/girl pants and take a good hard look at what is going on around you instead of just parroting what the media tells you. You have to earn the truth, lies are distributed freely for all. Go earn it little boy.

First Macron is NOT calling the military to stop the protests, stop spreading lies.
Second, Macron is using the military to be able to use all the police of Paris to completely block and finish the protests. He couldn't do that 3 months earlier because the number of policemen wasn't high enough to suppress 200k people. But they successfully did for 40k. No damage this Saturday.

No. You're confusing Unions and police I'm very sorry for your brain.
I've given you about 6 different sources and you refused them all for very various reasons. Because you don't care for facts.

https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/gilets-jaunes-des-tensions-a-nice-montpellier-lyon-et-toulouse_2069048.html
http://www.francesoir.fr/politique-france/quel-est-le-nombre-de-manifestants-gilets-jaunes-pour-cet-acte-14
https://www.europe1.fr/societe/gilets-jaunes-39300-manifestants-samedi-en-france-dont-4000-a-paris-3866825
https://actu.orange.fr/france/gilets-jaunes-39-300-manifestants-samedi-en-france-dont-4-000-a-paris-CNT000001dpNKe.html
https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2019/03/02/gilets-jaunes-plusieurs-milliers-de-manifestants-pour-l-acte-xvi_5430620_3224.html

I can give you hundreds of those but you simply refuse them without any reason.

And most of all, you're denying the field experience. I was there in December. I was there two weeks ago. The protests are completely dead compared to what they were.

3 months ago, we blocked more than 40 roads inside Paris, 10 different subway station (central ones).

Last protest there was 2 roads blocked and one station.

3 months ago, the damages done were in millions every week

Last protest nothing got destroyed at all.

3 mlonths ago there was 400 arrests every week and more thatn 300 policemen hurt

Last protest 20 arrests and one policeman had an heart attack



You deny reality, that's your problem. It doesn't change reality.

I see, so he says that is what they are for, and Macron is trustworthy right? Obviously he is so trustworthy these people are all calling for his removal, he wouldn't lie to the people who want him removed right? I looked through each of your sources and I don't even see any mention of unions. I do however in every one of your sources see the numbers referenced by The Ministry of Interior, and again the government has vested interest in downplaying the real numbers.

https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/gilets-jaunes-des-tensions-a-nice-montpellier-lyon-et-toulouse_2069048.html

"the Minister of the Interior announced the assessment of 40,500 demonstrators yellow vests throughout France, including 5000 in Paris."


http://www.francesoir.fr/politique-france/quel-est-le-nombre-de-manifestants-gilets-jaunes-pour-cet-acte-14

"However, the figures circulating in the media remain those of the Ministry of the Interior since the yellow vests do not officially communicate any number, need a centralized counting system. For this Saturday, 16, the Ministry of the Interior announced that at 14h, the number of demonstrators identified was 10,200. A figure down from last week (12,100). In Paris, the event gathered 3,000 people, according to official figures that must remain questionable. The police prefecture also added that 16 people were arrested at 17h.

On social networks, government estimates are widely defeated and challenged. On one of the Facebook pages entitled "The yellow number" ( see here ), sympathizers of the movement propose to count the number of demonstrators by trying in particular to trace information from the field, including in small towns where movements do not bring together a few dozen people. And the numbers are very different from those of the Ministry of the Interior. For Act 13 on Saturday, February 9, the Facebook page estimated that the number of demonstrators amounted to at least 118,222 yellow vests, listed in 215 municipalities. That is almost ten times the number of the Ministry of the Interior."


https://www.europe1.fr/societe/gilets-jaunes-39300-manifestants-samedi-en-france-dont-4000-a-paris-3866825

"The "yellow vests" were 39,300 to parade throughout France, according to the Ministry of the Interior."


https://actu.orange.fr/france/gilets-jaunes-39-300-manifestants-samedi-en-france-dont-4-000-a-paris-CNT000001dpNKe.html

"About 39,300 "yellow vests" have demonstrated throughout France, including 4,000 in Paris, according to the figures of the Ministry of the Interior provided at the end of the sixteenth Saturday of mobilization of this social movement, marked by some clashes in the regions."


https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2019/03/02/gilets-jaunes-plusieurs-milliers-de-manifestants-pour-l-acte-xvi_5430620_3224.html

"According to the Ministry of the Interior, there were some 39,300 in France, including 4,000 in Paris."

So as you can see all of your sources are getting their numbers from the same place with the same incentive to lie about it. Also your own sources note the actual number is under dispute. Additionally they do in fact confirm the military has been deployed to deal with the yellow vest protests

https://www.lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2019/03/20/les-militaires-de-sentinelle-seront-mobilises-pour-l-acte-xix-des-gilets-jaunes_5438862_1653578.html

In summary, what I said was accurate, and your conclusions are based on flawed information. Also your presence on 2 occasions is irrelevant because not only does that not represent the entire national turn out, I highly doubt you spent the time to count, even if you could figure out how to count that high.

Can't do anything against such bad faith.

Keep your beliefs that currently French are in revolution and Macron sent the army in.

Continue to deny reality.

Already sent you union's numbers. You refused them.

You mean police union numbers? There is no motivation for them to lie  either right?

Nope there is no motivation for them to lie, if there is any motivation to lie it's to increase the number.

What's the goal of a police union?

-Obtain better treatments for policemen
-Obtain more ressources, better equipment and better conditions for police forces
-Obtain more money for policemen

They are always in conflict with government because of that. What is better for them?
-To give the vision of small protests that can be more easily taken care of, taking the risk to show how innefficient police is if they don't manage to take care of it
-To increase the number or give a fair number of protests so that they can negotiate with government to get more ressources and better treatments as they have extra work. Plus obtain from government ot have more lenient conditions as the policemen are under so much pressure.

I don't know what unions look like in your countries but in France union = trying to defend the workers. Here the workers are policemen and boss is the government so there is no reason to defend the view of the government...


And if you believe that soldiers have been used to suppress protests, you're even more guillible than what I thought. What do you think? That saturday we had the French army marching on the protests?

Edit: the most stupid thing is that the numbers in themselves are irrelevant, we're talking about their EVOLUTION not about their absolute value.

The police have inherent interest to play down the size of the protest in order to attempt to get the protestors to give up and go home. This is not a complicated concept. This would best serve the police and the government.


https://www.lemonde.fr/police-justice/article/2019/03/20/les-militaires-de-sentinelle-seront-mobilises-pour-l-acte-xix-des-gilets-jaunes_5438862_1653578.html

Sure looks like they deployed the military to suppress the protest to me...

Yeah confusing the police union and the police is completely ok  ::)
Is it because you can't read French? It is perfectly ok if that's the case and I understand that there can be misunderstandings because most sources are in French.

Soldiers will replace normal police forces on official buildings surveillance, buildings that are not on the path of the protests. Then those policemen will be able to go help their colleagues to suppress the protest. Those soldiers have been patrolling and guarding buildings since the begining of terrorist strikes in Europe.

Now of course it's completely unnacceptable that government is using full police forces to suppress it's own population and the use of soldiers will tend to limit the outbreaks of the protest (because there will be soldiers around the protest, far away but all around). It's completely dictatorial to see government putting soldiers not far away from its own population, saying "now try to revolt you peasants".

I just want you to stop giving misleading informations, the army isn't used against yellow vests, or at least not directly. Soldiers are used as a far away threat and to be sure Macron can put all the police forces in the battle.

But he's not sending soldiers against the population. Yet.


Now is France a dictatorship? Sure thing.
Is Macron an asshole feeling that he's a king in his country? Sure thing.
Am I happy to see the people trying to fight that? Sure thing.

Are the people failing to revolt and are the protests dying? Sadly yes.

We're in the same side here I believe, as incredible as it can be. But I just want to state what's really happening not what I would like to see hapenning :)

And if you have an idea on how to shake this up I'm all ears.

The police union is composed of the police, hence they will tend to have the same goals... not sure what your point is. I just find it asinine that you believe all these things:

"Now is France a dictatorship? Sure thing.
Is Macron an asshole feeling that he's a king in his country? Sure thing.
Am I happy to see the people trying to fight that? Sure thing.

Are the people failing to revolt and are the protests dying? Sadly yes."

and yet you still are not willing to accept that your government is lying to you. This is the crux of these issues world wide. You see all the corruption, but then you turn right around, pull down your pants, and bend over again and again for the same people who are responsible never once seeing the connection between the two.

Oh no don't worry I believe this strongly! We've seen... Terrible things last years under Macron. True mafia at work. They don't even hide it anymore.

I just want to say that on those 2 subjects they don't have to lie because sadly the protests are dying and they don't even have to use the soldiers directly.


And contrary to tons of people, I haven't bent over and voted Macron. I don't like extreme conservatives and I think protectionnists are wrong, but they certainly can't be worse than those globalists. Nothing can be worse than that.

I wish both extremists understood that their common ennemy is worse that their opposite extreme. Globalists and banks are worse than pretty much anything. Better Le Pen than Macron, better Trump than Hillary. But also better Melanchon than Macron and better Senders than Hillary. See what I mean?

I think again you are missing my point. Why do you believe a single syllable from the mouths of these people? You have agreed they have clearly established themselves as having no reputability regarding the common wealth of the people of France, yet you are still willing to accept their statistics and their "pinky promise" to not use the troops directly on the protestors. Misdirection and disinformation is a primary if not THE primary strategy of warfare, and whether you are willing to admit it or not, war is what you have there, albeit in the earliest stages. Combine this with the roll out of European internet censorship, and you should be able to feel the rope around your neck tightening with a little critical thought. The idea that they have no reason to lie and do not fear a populist revolt is absurd, it is the ONE THING these people do fear, a unified revolt. You even acknowledge their divide and conquer strategy. Why would they use this if it was not something for them to fear? I am of the opinion that you are being carefully lulled into a false sense of security before the floor drops out and there are much harder choices to make.

No, I believe it because no one in Saturday's protests has seens a soldier. That's all.
That worse is coming doesn't change the fact that they haven't used soldiers against the protest Saturday.

Of course the problem is more that the president has the right to do so rather than him doing so.

And exactly what has you convinced that they wont do this?

Oh I've never said such thing!

They can definitely do this. They just haven't done it yet that's all I'm saying.

And I don't think that they will because recent political events showed us that they had a civilian mafia working for them so I don't see why they would send soldiers when they have civilians that can do the same. But that's not really better honestly...

Ahahah xD

Well I do have the hope that the use of the army would lit the fire of the revolution. But what do I know?

And what better time to take control of a nation than when it is experiencing chaos and bloodshed?

Who would take this control?

Very good question. The problem is no one can be sure. Is that a game of Russian roulette you want to play?

Honestly I think so.
I mean clearly current state of things means certain doom.
With a russian roulette game at least you're supposed to have a chance.
I'd rather take a chance over certain doom.

Just hope my chances are high xD

Or you know, find alternatives to revolution...

Hey I'm all ok for an alternative. I just haven't found any.

What do you have in mind?

Its your fucking county man. All I am telling you is you are making rather large bets without knowing your cards or what it is you are even betting. If you want to fix things you have to build a better system to displace the current system, not just burn it down and hope tyrants don't take advantage of the power vacuum. They have plans to deal with this, you don't.

That's why we're demanding direct democracy.
Burn this shit up, implement direct democracy. That's the plan.

Again, you aren't actually reading anything I am saying, you are just skimming it and seeing what you want to see. "Burning this shit up" is the opposite of what you need to do, and direct democracy is just mob rule where individuals have no rights because the minority always loses.

I think that's the illogical thing you've ever said, maybe? Don't know. You're not strong on logic bro.

Give me one organisation, any organisation, where minority has any right if the majority decides they don't?

So, you want me to argue your point for you? That's cute you criticizing my use of logic when your usual strategy is "NO U!", also you are literally contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next. Democracy is the rule of the majority or mob rule, and under mob rule the minority has no rights because... they are the minority...

Oh no, I want you to make a valid point that's all. That would be great if you made a clear claim one day.

You say it is mob rule?
Yes it is.

Any social organization is mob rule. There is no exception to that statement.

[tells me to make a valid point, proceeds to make a totally meaningless statement backed by nothing]

Ok I'll rephrase. Direct democracy is mob rule yes. Where is the problem with that?

Again you are doing that thing where I say a word like democracy, then you add little qualifiers to it in order to give yourself an out by saying, "yeah but this is a different kind of democracy". I didn't say direct democracy. I said democracy is mob rule. What is the problem with that? Most people are lazy, selfish, and ignorant just like you, and they don't have the time or inclination to do anything about that.

Did you know half of people are of below average intelligence?  I bet you didn't ;)

 Additionally humans have an evolutionary need to be accepted and part of the "in crowd", which means democracies can be lead around by the nose by the elite all the while believing they are in charge. Finally, as I previously stated, under democracy, the individual has no rights. The individual is the minority, and in democracy only the majority decides, leaving the minority with no source of redress or influence.

You're funny you know?


And I'm the one being lazy?
Please get your shit together and make a point.

In order:





As you can see your quote was an out of context earlier reply, not a direct reply to the comment I just made. These are the kind of disingenuous semantic games I am talking about. BTW thanks for proving my point that you simply added direct to democracy so you could use it as a semantic change of goal posts.

Selectively edited version:


[again tells me to make a valid point, proceeds to make totally meaningless statements backed by nothing]

Backed by nothing but your own quote.

And again I've said I agree that democracy is mob rule. What's your point? Just saying democracy is mob rule?
Not a very useful point. But you're right. That's great. Next is fire is hot and water wet. Anything to add?

As usual you are only interested in what serves your own narrative, not the truth, logic, or learning new things.

Can you read? Are you able to put words together?

What's your point? Minority have no right in democracy is false, they have the right that the majority accept to give them. That's true. And? That's all you want to say?

I find it rather amusing you keep asking me questions you should be asking yourself. Also you already conceded that Democracy is mob rule. I am not sure why now suddenly you are pretending the minority has any say in Democracy regardless if it is "direct", "liquid", or "blue neon with sprinkles" or any other horse shit rebranding terms people come up with to repackage the same systems of government to make them appear to be new.

Protests by the people refusing to be crushed their oppressive gov't taxes.  Taxes that are paid by the working classes.  No doubt to help in part to fund the influx of immigrants healthcare needs and housing.  Taxes that line the pockets of man made global warming politicians and their sinister agenda.  Gotta love socialism. 

I'm just asking what's your point... You've made 3 pages of emptiness and we still don't know what's your problem...

Is your problem that in democracy, the minority has only the rights majority give them? That's your point?

It's a simple question no? I feel like I'm talking with an autistic child. What do you want to say?

[puts point in 40 point uppercase red letters, still keeps asking what my point is]

The problem with you is that you're not able to finish an idea or an argument.

So, under democracy minority has only the rights the majority accept to give them.

And? Where is the problem?

The problem is we are all individuals, and all the minority on SOME subject. The belief that you will be part of the majority is IMMENSELY stupid. In Democracy there are no individual protections for human rights because the majority can always vote to remove them and there is not a damned thing the minority can do. Furthermore most people aren't very smart and are too lazy to inform themselves on these subjects, as a result they are easily manipulated and lead around. The result is in the end individuals will have no human rights. If you don't see a problem with that then you are even more stupid than you look.