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Great news guys,
Canaan steps up in the power efficiency game with the new Avalon A10 series. :)

Twitter post:
https://twitter.com/canaanio/status/1111513725733724160


https://i.imgur.com/Wg62Ly6.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Wg62Ly6.jpg)

That's awesome. I've been hoping they would come out with something. They aren't the best claimed numbers, but they are back in top contention.

Really excited to see the offering, though they may miss it with only a couple days left in the month. Great find Hagss, I'm beginning to think I need twitter to find anything out.

I wish they didn't go with integrated PSUs. I don't trust anything other than server PSUs to deliver that amount of power without being electrical and fire hazards.

Yeah,
there will be a huge amount of good external psus which people can't use with their miners no more.

It seems that the 5-pin comm port, two of them, are still there in the front panel.
I like that they keep the idea of having a Rasp Pi controlling multiple miners.

They came up with the two tube  two fan stack for cooling  pcb board is shorter easier to cool them off.  Similar to bitmain, I am hoping the gear has proper down clock the A841 had good down clock ability.  While the a851 and a921 did not.

I hope they get back to having true specs again.  Up until the A921, Avalons always seemed to do better than their advertised specs.  The A921 was disappointing on that front.

Ja. However, the integrated PSU's are a large part of the better efficiencies we are seeing from the new miners so that will remain the trend.

Even the best switching regulator designs are only pushing 98% Pin > Pout eff. More common is around 94% or less so using the PSU itself to set the voltage sent to the strings of chips saves several percent power eff per-board vs using 2 stages eg AC > 12V > hash board voltage regulators > chip strings.

Another bonus is that using more chips in each string allowing the higher voltages reduces the voltage differences that can appear across each chip in the string making it easier for tuning to find a stable operating voltage.

Nice, I saw this last night during my drunken twitter ranting. Waiting to hear from Liliy on pricing.

I was going to have some vanilla vodka last night I passed it by. ;D

If this does 31th at 56 watts a th it will do 1736 watts.

The real key to it having value is the down clock  say 27th at  45 watts = 1215 watts  or maybe 25th at 45 watts = 1125 watts

I could order 50 of these and replace the entire farm at Clifton.

50 x 1125 = 56.25 kwatts  
50 x  25th = 1250 th

and I would still have 18 L3+ units.

I now have  570th  at  50kwatts
and 18 L3+ units

I am eager to find out if these are good.

Ditto. After the 921' performing so disappointingly Canaan better pull a hat out of a rabbit ;) to get their reputation back. Perhaps offer some discount to those of us who bought the A921's?

I purchased 1 A921

And I tested 2 A851's    Both were Simply not good in efficiency and no clocks were helpful

I have always like dealing with Steve and Lilly  they even sent my partner buysolar to China back in 2018.

We can use a good avalon miner again.  Fingers crossed that it works well.

I could then write Avalon 1021 rocks on my logo  ;D

I've been wondering since the SP3x days how long it was going to take people to realize long tubes don't cool very well. Looks like more than just Bitmain are noticing.

Fuzzy, I'd be surprised if the main regulators on most recent miners hit 94% and above. High voltage is good for high efficiency, but 45A in a single phase really isn't, considering two of the main sources of loss in a buck increase with current squared.

Unless their PSUs are built very cleverly, going to an integrated PSU with no board-level regulation probably means all boards run at the same voltage. If that's so, the entire machine, instead of an individual board, has to run at the level of its weakest chip. If they do have separate independently-controlled rails per board though, that's pretty sweet.

I love canaans products the most, this is kind of another let down though.  Considering the m20 and bitmain now with the s17 are hitting essentially 30w/th numbers which is double in efficiency than this.  I prefer canaan for reliability and I love the daisy chain setup but ugh.  Unless the price is really low I don't see these selling much sadly

Specs are pretty close to the s15 and better than the m10. If they're shipping now it's well timed release.

well  lets see:

m20 is 48th  at 2200 watts = 45.8 watts   not 30 watts  these have been mentioned on pangolin
m20 is 72th  at 3300 watts =  45.8 watts  not 30 watts

s17 is ? the 30/j = a number for the chip  maybe just maybe they do 40 watts on low and 45 watts on high as a unit

a1021 is 31 th at  1736 watts = 56 watts  certainly not 30 watts

the key is  does it down clock  to 25th at 1125 = 45 watts

if you can go to 45 watts  it still has value.

if it is like the A921 and A851  where down clocks suck it will be a loser

All three units avalon whatsminer and bitmain  have yet to be demoed so what's the watts per th is not sure as of now.

https://i.imgur.com/Wg62Ly6.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/Wg62Ly6.jpg)

Don't you think they added the (minimum 50W/T) inside their ad for a reason? Perhaps they already tested it and could not get any better efficiency from them? 50W/T is pretty good in my opinion. Bitmain's S17 is probably 45ish but they claim 35... Only a third party review can tell.

It is important for miners to know watts per th on this gear so

I contacted Steve of canaan for a demo to review.


My goal is to show:
S17
M20
A1021
in youtube videos as soon as I can get the gear.  It will help miners pick what is best.

Ugh on this:

https://blokforge.com/product/canaan-avalon-a10-31th-s-bitcoin-miner/

1550 usd a miner not going to work at this price  Does Say TBD

https://i.imgur.com/JknKLP3.png (https://i.imgur.com/JknKLP3.png)

I dont know about the new Avalons but many of the new units including Bitmains use 20v internal rails, 12v PSUs just wouldnt power the miner properly. Its not that they are trying to force us into their PSUs, they are just a requirement for the unit to function.

so far

8 m10 psus
1 s15 psu
1 t15 psu
1 inno t2turbo

all fancy dancy built ins and no boom.

Not yet, at least. But sarcheer's M10's PSU did try to put on an early Fourth of July fireworks display (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737927.msg50228184#msg50228184).

I find these PSUs' general lack of safety certifications disturbing.

Yea at $1500 the m10 was a fricken better buy for half that LOL.  The hell are they thinking??

Canaan should revise their price structure to remain competitive, they have been pricier even back with 7xx models. One would think skipping controllers on each unit would net them some price advantage but no. Its nice to have costumer satisfaction and quality parts, but the market inevitable goes towards the lowest price per hash.

And i wanted to see those mining TVs and wifi routers too...

Legit point.

I actually could come up with another.  Both the S17 pro and the M20 v1  should pull 3000-3400 watts

most of my 30/24 amp pdus  are fused at 15 amps a plug  which is 3600  borderline number for a piece of gear pulling 3400 watts.

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Edit

I Got a hold of steve of canaan.  I will be getting one of these.

No info other then soon. ;D

But steve is pretty much as good as gold.  I will post back when he fills me in.

Faboo! It will be very interesting to see how the A10's do as I'd love to pick up a couple to replace the 2 remaining power-hungry 921's I still have running.

I just don't see many of these selling when efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and the S15 is obsolete in a week, assuming Bitmain's release date is not just a pre-sale. If Bitmain ends up being a pre-sale, then they may have a small chance as an alternative to S15, however the pricing needs to be more inline with Bitmain. I just sold my 921's. I don't even want to talk about ROI on 821/841. These units were worthless in less than a year unless you have free power and 921 was really not much more efficient than two 8 series with efficiency firmware.

   The new gear only has value to those with cheap power running s9s.

 They are stated to do 56 watts a th and 50 watts minimum.
So lets say they down clock to 26th at 50 watts  that is better then the s15
and if you need to wait till july to get an s17 these are a decent replacement for s9's.

I have 20 s9's  on cheap power I plan to replace them with something better.

Well it will be 60 unit MOQ to import, still waiting on pricing.

I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.

Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.

   Those prices are simply too high.  They won't sell  in the USA at 1500.

 I did see blokforge mention 1550 but as TBD

Will be interesting to see if you can get those numbers downclocking. I ran my S15 in low power mode for a few days when I first got it in December and it was around 18TH/s @ 50W/TH. Even if you can get those numbers with A10, efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and Bitmain already beat them to market 4 months ago. It's good if you have older gear and can't get an S15 or S17, but looks like it may already be old gear by the time you can get one. I'm considering selling my S15 before the prices of those plummet.  They need to price it better than S15 for it to be worth it.

When I check the Blokforge link, it shows 1199$ USD.

They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm  not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.

They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.

I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.

well  that changed from 1550 TBD 2 days ago.  or maybe  my 1550 is still up let me check

usa price is 1550

too bad  freaking trump is killing sales in the USA.

https://i.imgur.com/h3uKt2X.png (https://i.imgur.com/h3uKt2X.png)

I got screwed over pretty badly by the last order of 741's getting canceled by Canaan and then having my order changed to an 821. I agreed to that change, thinking I was getting the best of the next generation of miners, only to have the 841 come over very shortly thereafter at a much, much better price. I'll never do a preorder in general or buy the *21/first set of a new gen from Canaan again.

I did the above ordering through minerwarez (glad to see them have virtually nothing for sale after the treatment from them) and was promised by them we would be receiving a "special gift" as a thank you for putting up with the delays and getting screwed by the immediately dropped price for those who did not preorder. Never received anything and my inquiries were ignored. To be clear, I blame the distributor for this entirely.

Same. I paid almost $3k for an 821 pre-order. Blokforge at least gave out some coupons when the 841 came out cheaper. I had all first batches of 8 series and none of them were even close to ROI and that's before even subtracting electric costs. Only benefit was a tax deduction.

There was a 3-4 week space in time that the A841 was a decent price.  Maybe Feb or march of 2018

Then bitmain just dropped prices on the s9 and s9i and s9j selling unit after unit of gear.

Those 821's are good write-off's at least for me tax-wise this year.  Other than that, yep no more pre-orders for me.

Well Lily and I are back in charge of setting Specs and  firmware requirements!

Trying to get super finegrain control of the power comsumption of machines so that freq can be set and reset on the fly.
In testing on the 841/851   should  migrate  easily.  

On the  10 series there will be TWO  options:

1.  Option with "intgrated" PSU.  basically this means a PSu with I2C control. There will be no PMU. Upside, miner controls
     the PSU and  you dont have to worry about your PSU burning up the PMU ( if the PSU supplies too low of a voltage for ex)
2.  Option for  regular PSU.  The hash rate will take a little hit.

Also the AUC is  gone.  Machines  daisy chain via  internet connection.   more details follow

and now for some really exciting news....

Just open sourced  the 851

http://ehash.org/

Hi Steve, long time no see :)
Seen these A10s testing on my pool today - must be close to ready ... :D

I wake up to see btc at 4750 usd and Steve of Canaan with new gear.

Good news indeed.

No auc also good news. So Ethernet to Ethernet to rasp pi?

I've missed this direct from the team type of information. Looking forward to seeing the new design in action.

Did Canaan move away from the Rasp Pi for a controller? I don't recall where but there was someone here talking about a different controller model. Not sure if it was just a regional thing or not. Two different options regarding the PSU's is great, I had resigned myself to having to get models with a built in. Say you buy option 1 and the PSU dies, is it easily converted to accept a regular PSU moving forward? Or would someone need to order a replacement from Canaan?

Very cool indeed to see Steve posting here again. :)

The AvalonMiner 10 product page is now available.

Link: https://canaan.io/product/avalonminer-10/ (https://canaan.io/product/avalonminer-10/)

Just noticed, this is using 16nm chips!

Quote from the product page:

Have we worked out that these are standalone devices? i.e. if you just buy one A10 then you don't need anything else? Just http to the management interface on the miner itself?

Does that mean that if you have the choice of running them individually, each unit plugged into a switch ala most other miners out there, or you can just have one plugged into the network and all the others daisy chained off that one miner via rj45 cables?

good question. However, the pics do not show any RJ45 jacks - only the I2C ones. Then again, we know Canaan is rather, um, 'iffy' with their pics.

Hmmmm, that would be interesting to see them go back. Maybe they noticed MicroBT's results. I think it's more likely whoever made the product information page slipped up a little. In the past it's generally a copy past of older hardware then they edit it with the new specs. We'll just have to wait on Steven to come back and enlighten us a bit.

Biffa-

I think there will still be need for the controller, not positive. For the networking I believe that you will be using the rj45 cables in place of the AUC cables. So only 1 device whether that be the PI/Controller is connected to the router/switch, then the rest are connected in the same fashion as previous models just a different cable.

I could be wrong but that's my understanding of the info given. I'm interested to hear more from Steven on this, it's all pretty cool. Especially the option to have a built in PSU or not.

Just based on the price speculation I'm thinking controller is built in but will have daisy chain maybe like GMO designs with cat cables? Hopefully we'll get some more insights soon.

... and some info that no one already knows :)
It's AB (overt of course)

We got solid confirm on pricing. Thanks to everyone from Canaan we've been talking with lately.

... and I checked one mining on the pool, it was getting 31.89TH/s for an hour of shares.
(advertised rate is 31+TH/s)

Canaan makes great hardware no doubt.  This just.. simply is priced too high for what it is unfortunately.  Please keep in mind the m10 was under $800 not too long ago and had better specs than this asic.

it may be a bit more efficient somewhere I saw 50 watts a th as best number and the m10 was more like 58 watts a th at best number.

No the M10 didn't.

Simple math:
The M10 is around 71W/Th in normal running mode 31/34TH
Better than 71W/Th was only gained by lowering the hash rate.

The A10 claimed specs are 56W/Th in normal running mode 31TH
No idea how good these will be with a lower hash rate - but the Avalon it's possible for full control of the Freq/Volt from the web page.

My bad, and my m10 never runs 71w/th lmao.  It's def more like 60w-65/th- and literally half the price... shipped.  So... m10 avg is like 65w/th (normal power) and 33th at $780 shipped vs 56w/th (normal power assuming) 31th $1500 + shipping.  Like.. seriously.  I mean hey, if people are willing to pay literally double the price for.. a little less power used then more power to them.  On paper though that sounds like a absolutely absurd idea.

Yes, you made a case about the cost already, not sure why you are repeating it, but you stated "and had better specs than this asic."
Which is what I was correcting.

... though I will add that Canaan has the best record for reliability and support ...

Will def agree on that.  Not that I have any any issues at all with my m10's but just in general.  Canaans reliability I know for years to be well.

A10 at stock spec is best over s15, m10, m10s. Pricing at 1.2k on canaan's site is pretty on par with the way this market is now. I believe the July release is the only barrier to making it a no brainer.

S15 is  60 high 50 low ------- cant buy it
m10 is 69 high 59 low ------- cant buy it
a1021 is supposed to be   56 high 50 low

I will get at least

 1 A1021
 1 s17  maybe the cheapest model
 1 m20 72 th on order

evaluate all three  and decide which one I will get a lot of.

I might just get 12 of these guys instead of the S17, gonna wait and see for another month

Very well, i hope, really that they also plan to come with a 12nm part and 7nm part. MicroBT is good competition but more is netter.

I'm not very sure $1200 for 31T will look very enticing vs, say. 33T for $785 (especially with that tax in the US), but lets see who makes the first independent review, maybe its quiet or can be made more efficient.


I know they might just want to sound "advanced" and all, but that description is kinda scary. AI System On Chip? What else does that thing do besides handling the Asics?

PS: Repost per request of moderator.

A miner consists of 2 hash boards and a  MMU.  the PMU is gone. The MMU ( miner management unit ) has two  versions, and this will quickly transition to 1 version.

The first version uses the old style rasb pi  to AUC.  My best estimate is that only a few machines will be built in that style.

In parallel we are finalizing test on a new style MMU  that has  RJ45  instead of the old 5 pin connector. with this version, the PI will be gone, the AUC will be gone and machines will daisy chain over ethernet. no real limit on how many you can chain..

This MMU is up and working, final gerber released and so  mass pro will switch over  ASAP.  If you get a AUC  version, we will probably have a  replacement MMU ( with RJ45)  to upgrade. I ordered the parts to do this.

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The  AI chip is here

https://kendryte.com/

https://kendryte.com/downloads/

it's not scary.

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I was running at 38TH earlier today  at 40C in the enviromental test lab. fun times.

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Nope its 16nm  because the wafer cost per TH on yeilded die is lower on 16nm than 7nm.

No controller required in the RJ45  version, cgminer runs on the AI chip,  dual core  risc V.

I think the option with the non integrated PSU will probably rule the day, especially when folks figure out that if you have the right PSU, you can run it   above 31TH.. (31 TH is running about 1/2 the max clock) you'll take an effciiency hit that more than pays for itself at lower power prices.  

The purchasing decision and operating decisions become a bit more complex when you look at running the machine in max effciency mode ( say 24TH ) versus running it in max hash rate mode ( 38+ today) And how do I just put one number on the spec sheet? and then you have to factor in how efficiency changes with ambient temp.

Its almost like an AI problem. just kidding. But I do foresee customers who will now have fine grain control of the frequency that is tied to the actual operating conditions of their farm.

This is a nice luxury to have you here Steve. Thanks for the info.

Making this work well = key and very important to a lot of us.

yeah you will always have a guy with 10 + megawatts of 2 cent power that just runs the gear cranked.

But lots of us have multiple locations that need more efficient gear that is quiet. So having a unit that does both will be nice. I can't wait to get one to test out.

Thanks for sharing these details with us Steve!

I will email you some other stuff  that the mod deleted.

The mod here goes OCD on posts and edits and combines them all the time.
He gets paid by the forum for each change he does :P
You have no choice but to put up with it.

The info you posted is probably all combined in your last post.

At mods  I just had to say I smiled a bit at the bolded line.

feel free to delete me ;D

"The stuff" Steve mentioned sending earlier is video material from the A10 lab testing.

These videos are public at his YouTube channel,
so I'm comfortable sharing these here at the forum.

Really cool to see this process, and project going forward.

Enviromental test lab
https://youtu.be/17Yhi87A37k (https://youtu.be/17Yhi87A37k)

A10 test lab
https://youtu.be/j74U08QD36Y (https://youtu.be/j74U08QD36Y)

It was just a link to a youtube vid of the test at the enviromental lab. I emailed it to Matti.
its on my youtube channel.

Finalizing pricing now. It's rather difficult because most of the pricing is done on a  RMB per TH  basis in china. Irrespective of efficiency.

In short, the domestic market doesnt care about efficiency that much.

Lets  compare:

38  TH   @  2500  watts    .065J/GH    @ 3 cent power   =   $5.79  per day     2 years = 4226
31  TH   @  1800  watts    .058J/GH    @ 3 cent power   =    $4.89  per day.   2  years = 3569

Same machine:  same cost.  and everyone sells on RMB per TH.. well which   performance do you pick to price it?

Now compare M10

33  TH  @  1850 Watts    .056 J/GH    @ 3 cent power   = $5.26  Per day          2 years  = 3839

Now compare

33  TH  @  1850 Watts    .056 J/GH    @ 6 cent power   = $3.93  Per day          2 years  = 2868
38  TH   @  2500  watts    .065J/GH    @ 6 cent power   =   $3.99  per day       2 years =  2912

Of course guys here know how to do this math. The math on having a reliable system is harder. The math on how many machines actually deliver the promised spec ( or higher) is also harder to estimate. The math on reducing your number of network connections  because of daisy changing is probably easier.

So, its trivally true that the lower your power price the  more likely you are to trade efficiecny for hash rate. The vast major of huge customers are below  6 cents, all in. So they have to look at all the various modes the machine can run in. After seeing what Phillip was doing, I kinda pressed on engineering to make on the fly frequency changes a lot easier.  There is STILL a long way to go on what I would call proper specifications for systems: in particular I would like to see independent lab testing of machines and like to finally publish some hard data on how performance changes as a function of temperature. Who knows with a built in neural net asic maybe somebody will discover that the machine can learn to control itself. The clock cores already adaptively adjust  their clock rate as a function of DH.

Any way,   a few other updates.  machines will probably be built in a mix of with PSU  and W/O PSU. You can run the machine  with an integrated PSU ( it has voltage control over I2C)  or just attach your own PSU. And if you get it with the integrated PSU  you can always switch it.

Price on the website is  just a stand in price.  It will be below that once we start taking orders. While we have a bunch of machines in test, Lily and I want to get test results from the first  Trial run. You should see those system hit the pool any day now.

Nice to see the miner up and running.

I kept waiting for them to update the miner status page, or for cut to an hour or later. Either way definitely promising, a big plus with summer coming is seeing them actually push the miner to 40C.


Thanks for clearing that up. Reading this it's hard to tell what the anticipation is for the miner or the fun/interest of being able to tweak and adjust for your needs. Note to self don't dump the PSU's yet.

Yeah I worked out with the A741 a couple of years ago how to do the frequency via the "More Options" field - since you can put any cgminer settings in there (rather than having to login and change the init script)
I started doing the A741 heater back in 2017 since it was less power than my home heater :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg19893916#msg19893916

As long as the options are in cgminer, it's not a problem to be able to change the settings, but of course a specific web page option to set it is more help for the less technical.
(and I failed dismally to get the A851 or A921 to do it last year when I got them from Canaan, since the stepping changed - so I didn't know til you released the code in Nov what the values where :P and by then it was summer again - winter coming up again soon, I'll get them out of the cupboard and try to get them to work as heaters also)


The time I posted about it was to say "These really exist and they match the specs shown on the web sites" :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125803.msg50509226#msg50509226

If you have time, you can get one of the devs to message me per the usual channel, or send me a PM, to let me know when you do a faster test and I'll check out the individual miners and post the numbers.
(takes me a few minutes effort, I find a miner that was on before and after the hour, then do the calc on the shares it submitted for that hour, since their not individually reported on the pool, they all use the same worker name, which is ok of course)

Ok,  we only had an hour or two in the lab and the customer wanted to point the machines at their pool after we did our initial tests. We were in such a rush across beijing in traffic to get to the lab that I totally forgot about alerting you.

We were also surprised by getting 38TH as we predicted 37 based on the voltage setting of the PSU. There is even more headroom in frequency, ( say at least 33%) but we may hit cooling limits and we  hit the limits of the power strip when we pushed it beyond 2500.

I need to do some more structured tests and longer times at temperature, Needs some prep time and we will give you a heads up  when we head to the lab again.

I can probably find them (in the logs) via the diff they were mining at and hopefully a full hour ... will reply once I've done that.

Edit: didn't find any single a10's with 30-40k work diff - so I guess they were chained miners?
Next time just tell me the time (+timezone) you ran them and how you chained them (1, 2, 3 etc) and I should be able to find the stats
(the share logs are eternal)
If you give one a different worker name than the default (e.g. canaan.38) then I'll be able to find it even easier :)

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Looks like canaan.io/shop updated.

So a 31th more efficient model
and a 33.5th less efficient model

Still... 56J/TH vs. BItmain's claim of ~40J/Th (29% less power).

Can't competitively buy anything compliments of the Trump Tax, and refuse to buy anything from Bitmain ever again, so guess I'll just have to wait for a power competitive product.  *sigh*

There is also MicroBT (http://www.microbt.com/), and we have yet to see how much tweaking can the newer Canaan units take by downclocking. Price has always been a weakness for Canaan, but at least they are trying... I though Canaan was readying 7nm parts but their latest "A10" is still 16nm, hope is if they are brewing something new at 12nm or less like MicroBT is.

Right now  price works against them.  USA buyers get hit hard with trump tax  27.6%  and  the efficiency is only okay.

Paying 1500+  after trump tax and shipping is difficult.  

I hope to get one soon  to test.

I guess the other way to think about this is relative to the previous generation S9s...

e.g.  An S9 running Bitmain firmware in Low Power Enhanced Mode pulls about 9.8TH at, oh, ~85J/TH...

That means your getting about 3X the performance at 56J/TH for about a 1/3rd less power.  At $1500, that is like paying $500 for an improved efficiency S9.  Relative to the ~$2K/S9 we were paying a year ago (ok, maybe plus a few months), that is quite the deal.  Looks like e-bay is selling S9s w/PSUs for ballpark $250.

Wonder what that works out to in power ROI?  Lets see, very rough math... assume $0.10/kwh, 850W/S9, so 2550 for 3 of them... x 24 x 30 = $183.50/month in power.  The avalon will save about a third, so call it $60/month vs (3) S9s, so a bit over a year to break even. 

Seems rather risky...  Of course, mining Bitcoin always has been.

The A921 painfully proved to them that the 7nm node process is just not ready for prime time yet. Too expensive with results that are too variable and I expect it to remain so for at least another 6 months. With Microbt nailing it on the 16nm node Canaan made a wise choice taking a step back to 16nm for their A10.

Have any of these shipped/appeared in the wild yet?

I'm also waiting for a full review, complete with: unboxing, web ui settings, power consumption, noise levels, tweaks for maximum efficiency and its respective parts disassembly :)

This is Cannan's first asicboost chip eh? My first immediate negatives would be: price, and the 30°C max ambient temperature. Its a good positive that they would (finally) allow simple LAN cables to be used, greatly simplifying setup (but is this still controlled from elsewhere as usual?)

A10 not slated for shipping till July.

That was what was stated in this thread back in April ... ...

Sure was but sarcheer's question was just a few days ago.

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Looks like new orders for 1041 are shipping end of August now.

Soon... and that spelling ;D.

https://i.imgur.com/ggwxdeG.png (https://i.imgur.com/ggwxdeG.png)

Spelling is still better than my own.

Just submitted an order through Blokforge for an A1041 shipping July 15-20 for $1891 w/ shipping. Will update when it arrives with unboxing/setup pics and info.

haha  no not our first. It was in previous versions, just not exposed. but now that the patent issues are resolved...

machine operates up to 40C, been testing from -20 to 40C.

Controller is in the miner, on chip. Our AI chip runs cgminer

Temps are good, for the summer months so that will be nice when it hits the high 30's here. Are you guys still planning on launching the Units without a built-in PSU? I haven't seen any come up available yet or did the idea get scrapped?

I have been unable to get my new Avalon 1047 miner to work. This eventually led me to Canaan support which is currently requesting that I replace the mm board. Is that normal? Will doing that affect the warranty? Where would I purchase such a board? Also, is 19100902_fe411a8_ea5ac00 the latest firmware for the 1047 or is there something newer?

@Katun

Yes,
the latest firmware at the moment is A10APP_19100902_fe411a8_ea5ac00.aup

The firmwares are available here: https://downloads.canaan.io/downloads/software/

If you end up needing a new mm board,
I would recommend going through the RMA process with Canaan and request a new mm board from them.

I Got 5 Pcs Avalonmier 1047 with 37TH/s on September
These devices are headaches all of them has different problems, At first when I receive the devices they looked liked second hand devices but they claimed that they just used in our lab for one month  ???
I got each of them 2200USD but the price now (after 2 month is 900 USD)
This company Just want to sell Low quality devices at highest price
One of them has damaged Hashboard chip when I receive it , I'm in middle east, the after sales told me that you should send the device to chine for repairing , beside the expensive price (2200 USD) they send a Hashbord for replacing.
The others just reset automatically and can't mine 37 TH , they are around 35 & 36 TH , Avalon Creative after sales service is just remoting to the PC and uploading different version of firmware to test each of them work better on the devices.
Also they dont have any data base of their customers , thet told me that send the Control board photo to fine which model they have sent.
I do not suggest this company at all , Avalon Miners are just wasting money and time .

http://www.globalstar.ir/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/WhatsApp-Image-2019-11-07-at-10.39.02.jpeg
http://www.globalstar.ir/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/WhatsApp-Image-2019-11-07-at-10.39.07.jpeg

Who did you buy them through? Wouldn't have been direct from Canaan, I believe they are still MOQ 60. Is this from an official distributor or a re-seller? The gear that is hitting 35/36 TH are still falling within a 5% range which is how all gear is sold to be +/- 5%.
Canaan wouldn't have a database of you as a customer if you bought from someone else so it makes sense they need you to identify a few things. For the most part their gear has been the most reliable for years, and their support is usually top notch. So while it may be frustrating to have gear not working as expected, if it's their responsibility they'll work with you to make it right. You just might have to ship things back to China for repair, which is in the terms and service for RMA, this is the same with all hardware companies; Bitmain may still service gear in the US not sure.

Yes those screen shots look pretty horrid with the miners restarting every few minutes. One thing that can cause it is low line voltage as the 1047 PSU does not like a low line when trying to run at full speed.

Do they work better in "Normal" mode vs High Performance? Normal mode should put them around 30-31THs.
What in your AC line at? It must never go below 205VAC and preferred range is 220-240VAC,

Considering globalstar's links point to them being in Iran I have to assume that they bought through a reseller and not one of Canaan's authorized distributors (https://canaan.io/partners/) because Canaan has none that service Iran. The only authorized distributor that *might* ship to Iran would be Cryptouniverse (https://cryptouniverse.group/en/) who are located in Russia.

If that is the case then it is the reseller they bought the miners from that they should name here and go after to get the miners fixed. Canaan cannot control what unauthorized and/or unscrupulous resellers do. All Avalons I have ever gotten (through Blokforge in USA) arrived in pristine condition.

I've been mining since 2014 and quit running Antminers in late 2016 because of reliability issues: the s1 through s7 were great but starting with the s9's I averaged 20% failures (dying hash boards) after just 1 year. After that I began running over 2 dozen Avalons ranging from the 7xx series to the current 10xx series and have never had even 1 major failure with them. Lost a couple fans after they have been running for about 2 years but that is the only problem I have had with them.

Hey guys,

Anyone else have problem with the power supplies for the a1047? I have 3 dead so far out of 21. Its not looking good for reliability.

Temp is 30C ambient.

Damn you are running some old FW about 11 versions ago, have you tried running the most recent version?

https://downloads.canaan.io/downloads/software/avalon1041/app/

You'll need fms to load the firmware to your miners, it's a few directories above in the /software/ section.

Anybody know the blink codes for a 1047? It runs high then low for around 30 seconds, the LED blinks red 4 times, goes quite for a second and then does it all again.

Edit 1: I just discovered that I only receive the blink code when the LAN cable is plugged in. I tried different cables and different ports on the router and both made the LED blink red 4 times around every 30 seconds. I do not know what else to try or what is causing the problem.

Edit 2: Currently thinking that the miner has an issue with the router. Does anyone have any experience with this miner and a Verizon Actiontec router?

Can you log into the miner and go to the cgminer log then copy paste that here with code tags

It does not connect or I would. I tried turning off most devices connecting wirelessly and power cycling the router but this made no change. I still received 4 red blinks around every 20 or 30 seconds. Unless someone has a suggestion, I am thinking my next step is to try a different router.

This is an issue with a router, I have had a 1047 do this, I swapped networks and the miner runs fun, I know those verizon routers have had issues with a "radio setting"

Do you know anything else about this radio setting? Verizon said the only radio setting for the router was to turn off wireless . They also reset the router and said there are no problems with the network. Which is true except for the 1047.

This might not be the same but the first A10 I received had a DNS issue on DHCP, I first had to set it to static change the DNS then put it back to DHCP. Whatever DNS they were using in China didn't always resolve from here.

As PassThePopcorn said, this could very well be the issue, the radio setting issue I was experiencing was causing a connectivity issue just for the 10 series miners not anything else. Apparently it is not recommended to use a router such as the routers provided from Verizon for mining coin as they have a low threshold of the number of devices that can connect, most are 6 or 7, I would hope on miners peak on telegram that is where I was able to find this information.

Using a higher end  cisco switch could be helpful.  All my miners go through refurbished cisco switches into a verizon router.

I did verizion >>>> 16 port switch>>>> I used this to connect to all gear in warehouse including the 4x 48 port  cisco switches.

30 miners each of the 4 switches

all are 1 gigabyte switches.

https://www.newegg.com/p/0XP-003P-003H8?Item=9SIA8WVB6C7822

they may have been the ones above. Or maybe these on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-WS-C3750G-48TS-S-48-Gigabit-Ports-Layer-3-Switch-3750G-48TS-E-ios-15-0-2/292503559584?

almost certain they were the ones from that ebay seller.

Phillip is one hundred and ten percent correct, a switch may also solve this as well, I always recommended running a switch anyways. I knew someone else who had an issue with a cheap cheap router, put it on an old switch I gave him and worked like a charm.

I don't understand why they don't have a low power setting by now. Would be nice.

Just disappointed in general with Canaan's products. You would think they would try to help people out by being able to undervolt. The efficiency is not that great on 1047, approx 66 w/th;

Even my S9s I can get down to 75 w/th with brains os, and they are almost 3 years old. My Innosilicon T3s can undervolt very well, they are in low 50w/th, to high 40w./th.

I had quite a few 741s back in the day, and regretted buying them. Yes reliable, but Canaan's miners are always the first to brick.

Er?
'Reliable' and '1st to brick' are completely opposite unless you are talking about taking them offline due to eff reasons.

If that's the case, ja I have a nice pile of 721/741/821's and a few 841's accumulating that are now offline because of their lack of efficiency. But, I'm still running dozens of Avalon miners - 10 remaining 841's (half in low power space heater mode), a couple 921's and the rest A10xx. Aside from losing a fan on 2 of the oldest 721's I've had zero problems with them. I prefer that to the even bigger pile of DEAD s9/T9's I have...

Yep. I'm at $0.05/kw, so efficiency is important for me. I guess if you have cheap power, then they are good for that reason. The heat sink design seems far superior than the individual heat sinks in bitmain miners. But i still have 3 year old S9s that are still running today, and bought them the same time as my 741s.

^ Just because you had some bad 741 units, doesn't mean that the overall quality is shit.

If you take an AvalonMiner next to other vendor miners,
it is a high probability that the AvalonMiner will last the longest without issues.

Like i said, build quality is good. The efficiencies are 12 months behind competitors, and therefor the least profitable to run in the long term.  They are always the first miners to unplug.

Just noticed that that they posted new firmware:

https://www.canaan.io/service/447 (https://www.canaan.io/service/447)

Ill try it out and post the results.

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Looks like the new firmware added fields for additional pools. No low power mode though :(. Just normal and performance.

I also see they added:

CGMiner Configuration:

More options text box.

I remember with the older Avalons you you could adjust voltage/frequency/fan speed. Not sure if its possible with this input, don't remember the commands.

Now that the More Options entry box is back we just have to wait for someone to find what the command formats for it are. The A7, 8, & 9's all have their quirks in the the commands used...

Has anyone tested out the power consumption of the latest 1066 and 1047 firmware? The release notes say they optimized power consumption.

https://canaan.io/service/447

Also, has anyone played with the "Privileged Firmware"?

https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/avalon10-docs/blob/master/Privileged%20API/Previleged%20API%20USER%20MANUAL%20v0.6.pdf

update: I had my host test out my 1066s with the updated firmware and the power consumption came out to 65W/th in both "High Performance" and "Normal" modes. No efficiency gain for normal mode.

Hate to bring this thread back up, how is everyone's 10 series running? I ended up purchasing a large amount of 1047's from Blokforge and with my current electricty rat of .04 kwh these are like the new s9s! I have been getting random shutdowns of my 1066s though and do not understand what can cause this.

i had 2 1041’s one is now dead.
i had 2 1066’s one is now dead.

both were psu failures.

i was unable to source replacement psu’s

The 1041 with separate PSU? I have 3 of them that so far are rock solid but foresee *that* PSU as impossible to get from Canaan if 1 dies.

The 1066 PSU I'm surprised at - no replacement for it?

As for the 1047's the only odd thing I've seen is that every couple days they can restart themselves. Not sure what triggers it and not all of them do it - out of 5 of them only 2 do that.

I had the same issue Blokforge was able to source some for me after bothering them for a solid week.

I sent them 1 email maybe I will try tomorrow.

I tried a few times in the past getting the "Privileged Firmware" working without success, so I contacted Canaan directly about it. They sent this document to me that contains different commands from the one published on their github. I tried them out on a 1047 with the latest firmware (2020.3.30) and it works, allows you to set voltage and change frequency. Hopefully, it'll be possible to get a bit more efficiency out of these.

Keep in mind that using this voids the warranty.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14MulwZgt0XTjUIlgKsj1leKxddDvjr0z/view?usp=sharing

Hey Phillip, Ask for Devin in sales, he ended up cutting me a ridiculous deal on a few 1047s, one 1047 was only double what the PSU cost. So far out of my original 5 1047s I had 1 PSU failure and 1 MM board failure. 1066's all 5 are still running strong.

Are people still having trouble getting PSU replacements?

Well So far I needed:

2 m20s got them
3 m10.  got them
1 s17pro got it

1 A1066 could not get it.

Sent this just now.

Hey Phillip what email are you sending this to? I don't think he will mind but his direct email is Devin@blokforge.com, I am local in arizona so I was able to actual pick up my last order locally and save on shipping. I did notice they are on Amazon now as well with free shipping and no tariff for miners.

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As a followup I have been contacted by devin he is going to try to source me a psu.

I will post back.

@Phil
Nice, good service from Blokforge  8)

Well at least he is trying to get me one.  I hope it happens.

I just got a response from Devin! Canaan is lacking in responses and it sounds like he just lost a family member. I was needing a single PSU and he did say that he would pull one off a machine if need be. It sounds like BF is trying to put a bulk order together for PSUs.

I got same response.  Which I appreciate Devin doing.

I know what it is like to have sick family members and to lose them. It is painful.

2020 has been a brutal year for a lot of us.

Not sure if you heard but they are trying to bring in a shipment of these PSUs and need them to land to calculate the final charges with shipping.

Yes I was told they are in route.

I've always been a bitmain guy, but I'm new to the canaan game and have a few questions I'm hoping you savy users can help me out on.  Tim was super helpful in the sale and setup, and I didn't want to bug him any more. I'm running the 1047 so here are my questions:

1.) Anyone have a favorite firmware?  They all seem to be very different and seem way more frequent than bitmain.  Why is that?

2.) anyone have a good exhaust system?  the fans pull air in, and then they just blow out the grate.  I have a fan shrouds but that wont help me vent in the summer. Would switching fan direction be possible or no due to heat sensor location?

3.) I've seen the "advanced api" mentioned.  I've messed with installing custom firmware and tweaking that way on bitmain miners, but these avalons don't have that. How do you access the machine?  I am thinking of tinkering with fan speeds to begin with and maybe eventually voltage s and frequencies.

Thanks in advance for any info you can give!

Is anyone still looking for 1047 or 1066 PSUs? I have been looking for a 1047 psu and finally got through to someone at Canaan that let me know they have some used 1047 and 1066 PSUs.  They quoted me $110 for the 1047 psu, but $150 for dhl shipping to northeast USA. If anyone is interested shoot me a PM and I'll give you the contact email.

Also, I'm trying to find out if shipping per unit will be significantly cheaper if multiple PSUs are ordered. If so it might make sense to coordinate a group order.

still need a 1066 psu.  maybe we can grab a few and save on shipping.

Ok, I'll get a quote and PM you.

If anyone else wants one let me know soon, I'm going to try to get an order placed within the next few days.

Hi wndsnb, I am in need of a 1047 psu and I was wondering If you were able to source any. Thanks, Best J

He got some a few weeks ago. My a1066 is back online.

I was able to get PSUs for a 1047 and a 1066. They might still have some, you can email sales@canaan.io and ask. Cost for a used 1047 psu was $115 + about $90 shipping.

It was a pain in the ass to order them ... had to sign contracts, wire $ to China, a lot of back and forth. Took a few weeks just to get the order placed.

If enough people wanted them I might consider being the middle man and placing another order, but not worth the time for only one unit.

If you have trouble getting in contact with someone, send me a PM and I'll get you in contact directly with the guy at Canaan I was dealing with.