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See link; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123258.msg50363129#msg50363129

I'm not sure what to think about this; is this abuse, or do the rules of free market and free choice apply here? The post doesn't look exceptionally good to me, especially since "better" (imo) answers had already been given.. (although perhaps Taki sees this differently..?)

Is this sort of behavior generally frowned upon, or is this perfectly fine?

Just wondering.

It's looking suspicious to me. That post doesn't deserve 40 merit in my opinion. To be honest post isn't consider as a good post for me. This is really generic answer. This is abuse but admin don't like to tag someone for this kind of abuse if they really not involved with buy/sell. So we can't make sure if they trade or sell merit. Perhaps admin could reverse this merit but I don't think it will happen.

It may have been abuse or it may have been a typo. The 40 merits given did not help the receiver rank up though. I have a couple of occasions were I gave 20 merits by mistake instead of 2.

Edit: I stand corrected. But what a stupid way to expend your merit on an alt.  :D It did little to help the alt from what I can see.

They are basically alternate accounts of same person.

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Connected ETH address: 0xea5944EDdF486BC43Ab9Be4Be34De7486B15E69e

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This is clearly termed as merit abusement.

I doubt it was a typo.  Taki barely sends any merit, so my guess is that either he was just getting rid of it on a post that he really agreed with or the recipient bought it from him.  There's no way to tell, though.  It's not against the rules to send huge amounts of merit for a seemingly mediocre post, and there's nothing anyone can do about it unless someone makes a habit out of suspicious meriting.  Even then it's not likely there's going to be much of a response from DT members and there certainly won't be any sanctions from staff.

Some members just don't care about the merit system and think nothing of sending 40 merits to a member for a post that most of us might find bleh.  Not everyone realizes (or cares) how valuable merits are to bounty hunters.  I'm not saying that's the case with Taki, but it could be.  Just let this one go, OP.  Nothing can be done about it.

He was meriting his alt as poven above with connected Ethereum address. I'll consider his act as an act of foolishness, greediness and desperation. Foolishness for sending such huge amount of smerits to a post most people will classified as worthless. Greediness for trying to cheat the forum and Desperation for trying to rank up his alt to earn more from forum.

I don't see anything wrong with sending huge amount of smerits to posts (although I haven't send any yet) but that post he merited doesn't deserve any merit in the first place, lets say it wasn't his alt and he agreed with the post the best he would had done is sending 1 merit (at least that's what most people do). That's not the purpose of merit anyways but as humans we can't eliminate doing so sometimes.

Hmm. I definitely felt something was off there, glad to see you found some evidence to back it up.

How exactly did you find these correlations? You just went through their search history or is there some tool to scan them which looks for adresses et al?

Well, that's what i was thinking as well at first, thought it would be interesting to see some other people's opinions on this, and whether or not it was accepted behavior.
But, as it turns out, he probably merited his alt account (?)

@greeklogos, @Taki, not only have 2 accounts.
Also he has 3 accounts that he manages.
One more account connected @Tanic.

1. greeklogos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=800530)
2. Taki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833802)
3. Tanic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833850)


( archive (http://archive.is/vW1Bo) )

Link post by Tanic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570898.msg16329788#msg16329788


( archive (http://archive.is/lXCmr) )


( archive (http://archive.is/DZACA) )

Link post by greeklogos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2195245.msg22122536#msg22122536


( archive (http://archive.is/IaeFm) )

There are no "real" rules for giving merit ( I see subsequently it was found to likely be his alt so that is likely abuse). I mean it is not supposed to be given out on political grounds, but of course that is observably not the case. Free choice certainly applies.

There are several instances where large amounts of merit are given out from merit sources for a low value one liner.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123752.msg50280347#msg50280347

I have seen people just more or less ask for some merit and a merit source has just given it to them for fun.  

So, no to answer your question I don't think it is possible to get merit removed for abuse or get anything much done about  it unless it can be proven to be their alt .  Then again i have seen merit removed from excellent posts.  I guess it is not usually worth worrying about it if you see excessive merit passed around for posts that look to have very  low value.

Tanic is not active for many months, so it cannot be counted. Actually I suggested long ago that the forum should to delete such long time inactive accounts. Besides Satoshi's normally.

By the way I think greeklogos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=800530) = Taki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833802) is evading ban too.

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Connected accounts: SvenBomvolen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662493) (Banned (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=SvenBomvolen)), greeklogos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=800530)

Connected address: 1BqQHgPGK83HSNQDPpbD4sBP6CMkSaYzhG

OK, what bad I've done? I never participated with all of those accounts in the same campaign. As you can see half of them old and not used for more than a year. I never cheated anyone sinse I'm on the forum.
In the case of merit, that was a step to help to my friend who is tired to be nowhere with participations in campaigns with low rank and he wanted to move to another Rank with my help. I was reading that giving of merit is up to person who gives, so what is bad with that? Sarcasm posts are getting merits, shit posts are getting merits, who knows what is going on on local boards with that.
I'm not a spammer or cheater. There is no case for ban or for such high negative trust.

Well, you helped a serial shitposter to rank up by giving an outrageous amount of merits to him.  I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you obviously aren't a case of someone not realizing the significance of the merit system.

You do realize why the merit system was implemented, right?  It was to prevent shitposters from ranking up by making it really hard for them to earn merits.  By giving this dork a whopping 40 merits for a post that didn't even deserve a single one, you're enabling someone to continue to shitpost for money--and it's not appreciated.  Glad you at least admitted your motivation for doing this.

In this case of the Merit sending its an abuse on the merit system and also with your statement here it shows that you are connected with this Account !

I just have nothing to hide and wish to clean up myself with all of this story. I do not care of merits at all, cause of I'm on forum for long time and I am satisfied with my position. I simply wanted to help and look where it bringed me.
I almost fell in depression from all of that. I just cannot to loose this profile. It's everything to me in the connection with crypto currencies.
I have like 10 merits left and I promise to not repeat such things ever again, in both case as helping to someone I know or being paid for such services. Could my reputation to be recovered, please?
Yeah, I admitted that already. I know the owner of greeklogos profile.

You and your friend greeklogos seems to have been joining the same signature campaigns within minutes/seconds apart  ::) :

MOONX Sig & Avatar campaign(Closed) (https://archive.fo/HCGKw#selection-473.0-473.10)

BITTO.TECH - [PAUSED] FOR 2 WEEKS - SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN (https://archive.fo/C9jDo#selection-2041.0-2041.4)

★☆★ 777Coin Signature Campaign ★☆★ (Member-Hero Accepted) (https://archive.fo/mTWkh#selection-4265.0-4265.10)

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I found one more account connected to greeklogos and already banned one SvenBomvolen:



edit; does anyone else have trouble with bpip? can't search for profiles...

You had to think before doing that. Now it's too late to apologize. Every action has a consequence, you have to accept that.
Anyway, even with red trust you still can continue using this forum, you just lost chance to be accepted into signature campaigns.

I doubt one more thing about the @Tanic account. Even though the account has been inactive for a long time but still functioning, it hasn't been archived.
And what about this one, is this also one person.

1. Tanic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833850)
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=661185 [tatjanayermakova] [archived]
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23518 [done]
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=406281 [jay8291]
5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=260566
[Remy_5]
6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2375110
[axelder]
7. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=875150
[OOPSSS]

Connected evidence:


http://archive.is/OTymh


http://archive.is/vOU5r


http://archive.is/0YhCC


http://archive.is/HTElM

Link post by axelder: http://archive.is/0elGh

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Twitter Profile Link : https://twitter.com/Puncher99
Facebook Profile Link : http://web.facebook.com/rombaldis
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http://archive.is/0elGh


http://archive.is/jBH1t


http://archive.is/1zJLk

All the connected accounts should be tagged. Someone should verify the account @Taki and see where he got his merits from. Maybe he got them from his other alternate accounts?

Terrible suggestion. Admins can't go around reversing merit abuses for 1000 accounts daily.

How intimately do you know greeklogos? It seems that you have a rather close relationship since both accounts are using the same keys to accept payments in many situations.

Did you help your friend with your own ERC20 wallet address as well? Reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129079.msg50499371#msg50499371)!


I extremely doubt it!

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Peoples has revealed so many alts of yours so far within a short time, how many do you have exactly?

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edit: after my post I've seen bones261 posted the same point almost 3 mins ago while I was writing. Sorry!

Looks like a very big ring of alts there. I hope most of the accounts that have proof of connection get red painted at least.
One stupid move of merit abuse is all it took to get this accounts exposed  ;D

Sometimes, people tend to merit for a joke, because it makes them feel funny, help them release stresses from trading, or something like that.
Merit abusements or un-abusements on perspectives of each person, despite of the fact that sending 50 or 100 merits to one-line, joking post most likely merit abusements or at least merit inappropriate usages.
I agree with you that theymos wrote that he don't care about that, because with airdropped merits, people can not abuse for too long, and he tend to leave it naturally happen. Of course, for some extremely abused cases like sending 90 or 100 merits to some accounts to boost it to Full Members are very bad abusements.
And, if they abuse like this, they can not go much further. They can go to Senior Members with 240 or 250 merit points abused but they won't be able to move to Hero or Legendary for sure.

Though I pointed this abuse earlier on this post above but did not very explicitly mentioned it.

 
So , how do you know that SvenBomvolen is a banned account?
I did not see Taki and his alt are banned till now for this ban evasion.

Nice digging out, but I see here is the talk about several cases.


I see this guy was active a month ago. I will send him PM and try to connect him to the conversation to see what he may say. As you may notice remaining accounts (jay82911, Remy_5, OOPSSS and others) participated in social media campaigns. And if you look at my campaign history you will see I've never participated in any of them. So, obviously here is the point of someone's mistake.




http://archive.is/HTElM

Link post by axelder: http://archive.is/0elGh

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Twitter Profile Link : https://twitter.com/Puncher99
Facebook Profile Link : http://web.facebook.com/rombaldis
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http://archive.is/0elGh


http://archive.is/jBH1t


http://archive.is/1zJLk


I am happy to see that at least someone here can say the reality of giving merits. It's up to person how much and whom to give it.

Do you have any proves? You may dig my post history for many years, but you will not find that I pumped some thread with big number of empty posts or alike. Also I didn't sell anything on the forum and just stole coins from possible buyer. I didnt hurt anyone on that way. Your extremely doubts based on nothing.

You do not need to worry too much about this, if you are innocent, this is still a light category of accounts connected to Twitter, Facebook, etc., this needs valid proof if this account is one person.

You just focus on the account that is currently happening to you.

So, I report to the mod, the mod who judges that the account is connected or not.

Note:
There are no single profile pages yet, the contents of Twitter or Facebook are the same except for one person, Facebook, Twitter, are private social accounts. So only careless people let Facebook and Twitter accounts be taken by people. And entered into the bitcointalk account profile.

There is a case that covers the profile of Twitter and Facebook, but it's just stealing but the profile of the Bitcointalk account doesn't have a Twitter profile and Facebook.
while all of this contains twiter and facebook.

Post by Remy_5: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=260566;sa=showPosts;start=220

http://archive.is/x8PmK

Post by axelder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2375110;sa=showPosts;start=40

http://archive.is/eLs1y

Post by OOPSSS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=875150;sa=showPosts;start=300

http://archive.is/hTr3D

Post by jay8291: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=406281;sa=showPosts;start=60

http://archive.is/ySLi5

How to not worry if my name is mixed with mud here? I guess you would feel the same on my place. If I will stay silent my reputation will never be recovered.

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=SvenBomvolen (Autobanned)


Yes, they are not banned until but would surely be banned later if some mod looks through the proofs here.

Yeah but not 40 Merit’s. Come on!

This is why I wrote this part.

I'm not sure how often mods look through topics to ban people, you can make it easier for them by reporting the posts where Taki and greeklogos have both shared this addy: 0xea5944EDdF486BC43Ab9Be4Be34De7486B15E69e

and point out that SvenBomvolen has also used the same address and is banned now.

And that's the point here.  Forty merits for a single post, especially to a low-ranked shitposter, is excessive in the extreme.  Had Taki given something like 2 merits for that post, nobody would ever have noticed.  Instead, he's suffering the consequences for helping a friend who might not be a friend at all. 

Hard to say how I'd feel, since I wouldn't send 40 merits to either a friend or an alt account.  I have a feeling I'd probably know I deserved whatever was coming to me and just move on, which is what you should do.  Lauda and TMAN don't often remove negs as far as I know, so you're going to have a hell of a hard time getting rid of the ones you got. 

As far as staying silent goes, that's your best bet.  If you keep making noise, you're going to end up on ignore lists and have your PMs blocked, and that'll make it near impossible to get anyone to remove their tags.

Thank You for stating, but I think some users here would have already reported it.

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I don't know why are you ignoring the above listed facts but the person you are explaining is evading a ban.

The point is:
If you send huge amount of merit to a boring, one-line, non-sense, uncontructive, incomprehensive post, and the receivers can get benefits from those merits to rank up to higher level. It is merit abusements.
In contrast, if you send same amount of merits to Legendary, who can not rank up more, it is less likely merit abusements.
In such cases of huge amount of merits sent to Legendary, it should be called as merit inappropriate usages, not merit abusements.
It means Legendary can send their sMerits around, to constructive, helpful posts as their ways to support lower rank users and stimulate them to contribute more; or they can send their smerits to joking posts, as their ways to relax, something like this.
I do not defend such approach because it is one of the way to destroy valuable smerits, and I don't support it.

Why there are a bit difference?
If you look deeper, you can easily see that merits strongly correlated with rank system, and user ranks, right?


To sum up, there are two indicators to identify merit abusements:
- Amount of merits sent to one posts
- The role of those merits to receivers (can help them rank up or not)

Maybe, it is a little bit un-fair treatments between Legendary and other ranks, maybe I am wrong somehow, but it is my thoughts.  :D

Lol, I didn't ignore anything--I was looking for Taki's replies when I last checked this thread and missed that connection. 

Well, now.  If Taki is ban-evading, all of this pleading on his part is going to be so much more futile than it already is.  Also please don't PM me, Taki.  Even if I had any pull with the members who tagged you, I would not be inclined to help you.  I pretty much said what I think you ought to do, which is to accept the consequences of your actions. 

And why did you give me all those merits for my last post?  That looks like an obvious attempt to buy some help, so don't drag me down with you.  Looks like you might not only be getting permanent red trust but a permaban as well.  We'll see how this all plays out.

Somebody is in deep trouble here. I can't even imagine how hard it would be for somebody having a Hero rank to loose his profile as well as reputation, the latter is most important.
I am strictly against merit abuse and I don't think people should take it for a joke. The think Taki did is wrong and I know bitcointalk never forgives anybody for breaking any of it's rules regardless of the rank.
This is the reason why every merit I give to others is damn precious to me. To be honest, I still have most of the airdropped merits and I will only merit to posts which are truly deserving though it takes time.
Besides that, I have never merited a post more than a single merit because I think meriting a post is like highlighting a quality post and even a single merit can do that task.
Why to waste multiple merits for a single post ? I feel sorry for Taki because if I were in his place it would be very hard for me.

Wow, feeling sorry for someone who has abused signature campaigns with multiple high-ranked accounts. Really? I wonder where does all this empathy come from?  ::)

BTC connection:



ETH connection:



And most importantly joining the same campaign with your alt account:

Since we're about the Merit system...
I wanted to deserve a post that is in the Russian forum but I have the following message that tells me "You cannot merit that post" I've never seen this message before. I ask because I have never seen anyone asking the question, even if I have searched a little with the search feature.

You'll get that message if you have the section on ignore.  If you un-ignore the section and then go back and try to merit the post, it should work.  It's a pain in the ass that you have to do that, but maybe in 2075 when the new forum software gets launched there'll be a fix. 

Nobody is perfect bud. I have made mistakes in my past but what matters is how you learn from the mistakes and improve yourself. I had faced time when I had no job and my financial status was so low that I had to walk miles to save a few bucks.Signature campaigns helped me a lot in handling my expenses and I thank the forum for that with all my heart. It was during those times when I committed this mistake. The mistake I did was not to read the campaign rules clearly. Although I did apply for it at the same time, once I read the rules clearly, I decided not to go against the rules and I left the campaign not only with one but both of my accounts. You can also see this in the spreadsheet (post count is same) of that campaign.
Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FKIXSX7mdYykkF29Ls0_vP1y54IraFvExAyNvWciJ2w/edit#gid=0

While the forum rule is that alt accounts are accepted and few of the trusted members here have alt accounts too, I have tried not to spam/shitpost/or any activity which is against the forum rules. I respect the forum for whatever it is. After that incident I have tried not to commit such mistakes again. Do you still think I have done anything wrong or something that is against the forum, if yes please let me know before anybody flags my account. Flagging an account doesn't take much time but building it while complying the rules does take a lot of hardwork and time.

P.S: I have tried to contribute much towards the forum and the crypto community in general. Besides that I have also encouraged people to use crypto and provided them crypto knowledge whatever I had.
When I had no job, I have also educated other people to learn about crypto and this was one of the ways I started earning money through crypto.

On the basis of this reference (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129079.msg50504386#msg50504386) I said what I said. Do you still want to say that it's not cheating?
Unfortunately, campaign managers haven't enrolled you in two campaigns, but the third campaign has accepted greeklogos.

Campaign managers haven't accepted you, that's not the case here, the case is you have attempted to cheat the campaigns by applying with your main and alt. Whereas every campaigns has a common term "Do not apply with multiple accounts".

Yes, you haven't scammed anyone and I'm very thankful to you.
But you have attempted many times to cheat signature campaigns. And lastly you have abused the merit system.

All these are considered prohibited in Bitcointalk.

I feel my time on the forum is over. I can't handle it anymore. Is there a way to delete the account from the forum?

@ThePharmacist

Thanks


No dude, there is no way to delete an account. Bye!

That's a beautiful story bud, if I weren't immune to bullshit I'd be shedding tears right now. It's just that when it comes to signature campaign abuse, one thing I learned it's never one or two accounts, there are always more and more. You people have no shame.

This is your third alt account - crptotrader007 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133747)

ETH connection: 0x89eea1800aeeFaca6Ec81DaE3e94b488aeeD6a5f



You and your alt enrolling in the same signature campaigns minutes apart:

CLOSED - Signature campaign for the HODLER Open Source Multi-Asset Wallet (https://archive.fo/t9yrJ#selection-439.0-439.13)

[BOUNTY][PAYING ETHEREUM WEEKLY]-CREBIT.IO-Decentralized P2P Lending Platform (https://archive.fo/7ltZ6#selection-7697.0-7697.14)

🔴🚀Arianee🔵 Signature Campaign🔵From Member To Legendary[FULL] (https://archive.fo/3ULTF#selection-5123.0-5123.9)

[END]⭐ICOForums.net | Signature Campaign | ETH Weekly Payment⭐ (https://archive.fo/otg3b#selection-3619.0-3619.13)

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This is my favorite part, you were appointed to be the manager of the YuTü.Co.in bounty campaign. Look who you got accepted, I guess it wasn't much of a choice? smh

I know you would have encountered dozens of people with some bullshit story to save their accounts which is why you think all the stories are bullshit. I guess you haven't read the story of ' The boy who cried wolf', call it bullshit too ? Anyway, I don't have any reasons to lie bud. It is what it is and I have whatever the truth was.

It's definitely not my account but yeah I do know this person. He is one of the people I have educated towards crypto.
I have had a meetup with him once too but that was all. Most of our conversations took place on calls and texts.
As I said, I used to charge a very little fee for educating people towards crypto I did charge him as well. But little did I knew he would put my address on the campaign for cutting down on transaction fees.
Most of the times he used to do exactly what I did like enrolling in the same campaign/copying my application posts (editing it later)etc...
I have even warned him so many times and what else can I do apart from that. It's not my mistake.

As I said, the guy used to follow me and  used to join campaigns which I did. It's hard to see the actual truth and easy to portray it as something else.
I have literally told the person to stop doing this act but I guess it was too late by then since he had already done this with some campaigns.

Yeah I was a part of the YuTü.Co.in project but then thats a different story. Things got messed up and I left the project(or they elected me out whatever they say).
My part was to promote the campaign in whatever way I can. We held a bounty campaign too where I was the manager but we did not receive a good response.
We barely got a few participants. I had no choice but to invite crptotrader007 to join the campaign since I cannot do it myself. This is the reason why I had selected him for the campaign.

It's hard to believe isn't it but I am telling the truth and I really have no reasons to lie. It might again sound bullshit to you but I can't do anything about that. People do judge others.
I really want to contribute much towards the forum bud since I like it so much around here. I have genuinely tried to obey all the rules so I request you not to blame me without knowing the actual truth.

P.S: Let me know what have you done to create awareness about crypto towards other people. Also, I am amused to know your skills of tracing an account and would be obliged if you teach me this.
May be this way I would be able to contribute much towards the forum.

I do


I agree, juggling with 20ish accounts at a time must be mentally and physically wearying.


archive (https://archive.fo/0r0fV#selection-1967.9-1967.43)


archive (https://archive.fo/l3ap8#selection-6619.24-6619.58)

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Another connection between pawanjain and hasmukh_rawal


archive (https://archive.fo/uPFnF#selection-4281.36-4281.70)


archive (https://archive.fo/t9yrJ#selection-531.17-531.51)

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Let's get back to nikjain422 and co; Findings by Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804)

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And another senior account found...


archive (https://archive.fo/5kOLW#selection-3801.17-3801.51)


archive (https://archive.fo/fLqSS#selection-1979.17-1979.51)

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Sahyadri 2.0


archive (https://archive.fo/qb2ZO#selection-6117.0-6117.34)


archive (https://archive.fo/xVSWE#selection-5199.17-5199.51)

Wait what ? I seriously have no idea about the accounts nikjain422,Sahyadri
Might be alt accounts of crptotrader007 or somebody else.

This and hasmukh_rawal are the only 2 accounts I hold.

Please stop playing dumb. hasmukh_rawal and crptotrader007 connected both via eth and btc addresses:

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