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April 07, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
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In the case of merit, that was a step to help to my friend who is tired to be nowhere with participations in campaigns with low rank and he wanted to move to another Rank with my help.
Did you help your friend with your own ERC20 wallet address as well? Reference!


I'm not a spammer or cheater.
I extremely doubt it!



Peoples has revealed so many alts of yours so far within a short time, how many do you have exactly?



edit: after my post I've seen bones261 posted the same point almost 3 mins ago while I was writing. Sorry!
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April 07, 2019, 11:03:24 PM
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Looks like a very big ring of alts there. I hope most of the accounts that have proof of connection get red painted at least.
One stupid move of merit abuse is all it took to get this accounts exposed  Grin

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Sometimes, people tend to merit for a joke, because it makes them feel funny, help them release stresses from trading, or something like that.
Merit abusements or un-abusements on perspectives of each person, despite of the fact that sending 50 or 100 merits to one-line, joking post most likely merit abusements or at least merit inappropriate usages.
I agree with you that theymos wrote that he don't care about that, because with airdropped merits, people can not abuse for too long, and he tend to leave it naturally happen. Of course, for some extremely abused cases like sending 90 or 100 merits to some accounts to boost it to Full Members are very bad abusements.
And, if they abuse like this, they can not go much further. They can go to Senior Members with 240 or 250 merit points abused but they won't be able to move to Hero or Legendary for sure.
There are no "real" rules for giving merit ( I see subsequently it was found to likely be his alt so that is likely abuse). I mean it is not supposed to be given out on political grounds, but of course that is observably not the case. Free choice certainly applies.

There are several instances where large amounts of merit are given out from merit sources for a low value one liner.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123752.msg50280347#msg50280347

I have seen people just more or less ask for some merit and a merit source has just given it to them for fun.  
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April 08, 2019, 07:55:20 AM
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I heard about huge merit giveaway in the situation of different kinds of deals between members.

I am interested in knowing what kind of deal is done here.

Though I pointed this abuse earlier on this post above but did not very explicitly mentioned it.

 
By the way I think greeklogos = Taki is evading ban too.



Connected accounts: SvenBomvolen (Banned), greeklogos


So , how do you know that SvenBomvolen is a banned account?
I did not see Taki and his alt are banned till now for this ban evasion.

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April 08, 2019, 09:14:42 AM
Last edit: April 08, 2019, 09:35:20 AM by Taki
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Nice digging out, but I see here is the talk about several cases.

As I already admitted this is one of my accounts which is shutted for more than a year.
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Here we can see that all posts made in one campaign. This one was made month after mine. I have two variants of explanation. Or the guy simply copied-pasted my post and didnt correct the skype address, or he done that for purpose to not show his own info.
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There is some Slight Change in Usersame of skype.

My Skype user is = jay82911.

I see this guy was active a month ago. I will send him PM and try to connect him to the conversation to see what he may say. As you may notice remaining accounts (jay82911, Remy_5, OOPSSS and others) participated in social media campaigns. And if you look at my campaign history you will see I've never participated in any of them. So, obviously here is the point of someone's mistake.

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Sometimes, people tend to merit for a joke, because it makes them feel funny, help them release stresses from trading, or something like that.
Merit abusements or un-abusements on perspectives of each person, despite of the fact that sending 50 or 100 merits to one-line, joking post most likely merit abusements or at least merit inappropriate usages.
I agree with you that theymos wrote that he don't care about that, because with airdropped merits, people can not abuse for too long, and he tend to leave it naturally happen. Of course, for some extremely abused cases like sending 90 or 100 merits to some accounts to boost it to Full Members are very bad abusements.
And, if they abuse like this, they can not go much further. They can go to Senior Members with 240 or 250 merit points abused but they won't be able to move to Hero or Legendary for sure.
There are no "real" rules for giving merit ( I see subsequently it was found to likely be his alt so that is likely abuse). I mean it is not supposed to be given out on political grounds, but of course that is observably not the case. Free choice certainly applies.

There are several instances where large amounts of merit are given out from merit sources for a low value one liner.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123752.msg50280347#msg50280347

I have seen people just more or less ask for some merit and a merit source has just given it to them for fun. 
I am happy to see that at least someone here can say the reality of giving merits. It's up to person how much and whom to give it.


I'm not a spammer or cheater.
I extremely doubt it!

Do you have any proves? You may dig my post history for many years, but you will not find that I pumped some thread with big number of empty posts or alike. Also I didn't sell anything on the forum and just stole coins from possible buyer. I didnt hurt anyone on that way. Your extremely doubts based on nothing.
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April 08, 2019, 09:40:57 AM
Last edit: April 08, 2019, 10:23:33 AM by YOSHIE
 #26

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You do not need to worry too much about this, if you are innocent, this is still a light category of accounts connected to Twitter, Facebook, etc., this needs valid proof if this account is one person.

You just focus on the account that is currently happening to you.

So, I report to the mod, the mod who judges that the account is connected or not.

Note:
There are no single profile pages yet, the contents of Twitter or Facebook are the same except for one person, Facebook, Twitter, are private social accounts. So only careless people let Facebook and Twitter accounts be taken by people. And entered into the bitcointalk account profile.


There is a case that covers the profile of Twitter and Facebook, but it's just stealing but the profile of the Bitcointalk account doesn't have a Twitter profile and Facebook.
while all of this contains twiter and facebook.


Post by Remy_5: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=260566;sa=showPosts;start=220

http://archive.is/x8PmK

Post by axelder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2375110;sa=showPosts;start=40

http://archive.is/eLs1y

Post by OOPSSS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=875150;sa=showPosts;start=300

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April 08, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
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You do not need to worry too much about this, if you are innocent, this is still a light category of accounts connected to Twitter, Facebook, etc., this needs valid proof if this account is one person.

You just focus on the account that is currently happening to you.

So, I report to the mod, the mod who judges that the account is connected or not.

Note:
There are no single profile pages yet, the contents of Twitter or Facebook are the same except for one person, Facebook, Twitter, are private social accounts. So only careless people let Facebook and Twitter accounts be taken by people. And entered into the bitcointalk account profile.


There is a case that covers the profile of Twitter and Facebook, but it's just stealing but the profile of the Bitcointalk account doesn't have a Twitter profile and Facebook.
while all of this contains twiter and facebook.


Post by Remy_5: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=260566;sa=showPosts;start=220

http://archive.is/x8PmK

Post by axelder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2375110;sa=showPosts;start=40

http://archive.is/eLs1y

Post by OOPSSS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=875150;sa=showPosts;start=300

http://archive.is/hTr3D

Post by jay8291: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=406281;sa=showPosts;start=60

http://archive.is/ySLi5
How to not worry if my name is mixed with mud here? I guess you would feel the same on my place. If I will stay silent my reputation will never be recovered.
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April 08, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
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So , how do you know that SvenBomvolen is a banned account?

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=SvenBomvolen (Autobanned)

I did not see Taki and his alt are banned till now for this ban evasion.

Yes, they are not banned until but would surely be banned later if some mod looks through the proofs here.
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April 08, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
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Sometimes, people tend to merit for a joke, because it makes them feel funny.....snip the rest.....

Yeah but not 40 Merit’s. Come on!

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April 08, 2019, 11:44:39 AM
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Yeah but not 40 Merit’s. Come on!
This is why I wrote this part.
despite of the fact that sending 50 or 100 merits to one-line, joking post most likely merit abusements or at least merit inappropriate usages.
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April 08, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
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Yes, they are not banned until but would surely be banned later if some mod looks through the proofs here.

I'm not sure how often mods look through topics to ban people, you can make it easier for them by reporting the posts where Taki and greeklogos have both shared this addy: 0xea5944EDdF486BC43Ab9Be4Be34De7486B15E69e

and point out that SvenBomvolen has also used the same address and is banned now.

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April 08, 2019, 12:57:35 PM
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Yeah but not 40 Merit’s. Come on!
And that's the point here.  Forty merits for a single post, especially to a low-ranked shitposter, is excessive in the extreme.  Had Taki given something like 2 merits for that post, nobody would ever have noticed.  Instead, he's suffering the consequences for helping a friend who might not be a friend at all. 

I guess you would feel the same on my place. If I will stay silent my reputation will never be recovered.
Hard to say how I'd feel, since I wouldn't send 40 merits to either a friend or an alt account.  I have a feeling I'd probably know I deserved whatever was coming to me and just move on, which is what you should do.  Lauda and TMAN don't often remove negs as far as I know, so you're going to have a hell of a hard time getting rid of the ones you got. 

As far as staying silent goes, that's your best bet.  If you keep making noise, you're going to end up on ignore lists and have your PMs blocked, and that'll make it near impossible to get anyone to remove their tags.

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April 08, 2019, 01:21:57 PM
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Thank You for stating, but I think some users here would have already reported it.



Hard to say how I'd feel, since I wouldn't send 40 merits to either a friend or an alt account.  I have a feeling I'd probably know I deserved whatever was coming to me and just move on, which is what you should do.  Lauda and TMAN don't often remove negs as far as I know, so you're going to have a hell of a hard time getting rid of the ones you got.

I don't know why are you ignoring the above listed facts but the person you are explaining is evading a ban.
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The point is:
If you send huge amount of merit to a boring, one-line, non-sense, uncontructive, incomprehensive post, and the receivers can get benefits from those merits to rank up to higher level. It is merit abusements.
In contrast, if you send same amount of merits to Legendary, who can not rank up more, it is less likely merit abusements.
In such cases of huge amount of merits sent to Legendary, it should be called as merit inappropriate usages, not merit abusements.
It means Legendary can send their sMerits around, to constructive, helpful posts as their ways to support lower rank users and stimulate them to contribute more; or they can send their smerits to joking posts, as their ways to relax, something like this.
I do not defend such approach because it is one of the way to destroy valuable smerits, and I don't support it.

Why there are a bit difference?
If you look deeper, you can easily see that merits strongly correlated with rank system, and user ranks, right?


To sum up, there are two indicators to identify merit abusements:
- Amount of merits sent to one posts
- The role of those merits to receivers (can help them rank up or not)

Maybe, it is a little bit un-fair treatments between Legendary and other ranks, maybe I am wrong somehow, but it is my thoughts.  Cheesy
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April 08, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
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I don't know why are you ignoring the above listed facts but the person you are explaining is evading a ban.
Lol, I didn't ignore anything--I was looking for Taki's replies when I last checked this thread and missed that connection. 

Well, now.  If Taki is ban-evading, all of this pleading on his part is going to be so much more futile than it already is.  Also please don't PM me, Taki.  Even if I had any pull with the members who tagged you, I would not be inclined to help you.  I pretty much said what I think you ought to do, which is to accept the consequences of your actions. 

And why did you give me all those merits for my last post?  That looks like an obvious attempt to buy some help, so don't drag me down with you.  Looks like you might not only be getting permanent red trust but a permaban as well.  We'll see how this all plays out.

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April 08, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
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Somebody is in deep trouble here. I can't even imagine how hard it would be for somebody having a Hero rank to loose his profile as well as reputation, the latter is most important.
I am strictly against merit abuse and I don't think people should take it for a joke. The think Taki did is wrong and I know bitcointalk never forgives anybody for breaking any of it's rules regardless of the rank.
This is the reason why every merit I give to others is damn precious to me. To be honest, I still have most of the airdropped merits and I will only merit to posts which are truly deserving though it takes time.
Besides that, I have never merited a post more than a single merit because I think meriting a post is like highlighting a quality post and even a single merit can do that task.
Why to waste multiple merits for a single post ? I feel sorry for Taki because if I were in his place it would be very hard for me.

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April 08, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
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 #37

I feel sorry for Taki.

Wow, feeling sorry for someone who has abused signature campaigns with multiple high-ranked accounts. Really? I wonder where does all this empathy come from?  Roll Eyes

BTC connection:

hello yahoo , would like to apply for your campaign.
Btctalk name: pawanjain
Rank: sr.member
Current post count:1143
BTC address: 3A7XsWneHzbQ3Tcw2PZgN9Khr7dDAPBJQx
Wear appropriate signature:yes
Wear avatar:yes

I confirm receiving another 0.017BTC for the contest:

3A7XsWneHzbQ3Tcw2PZgN9Khr7dDAPBJQx
here is my btc address. Thanks for the consolation prize.
Wapinter told me to send my btc address to you.

ETH connection:

Applying for Sr.member . Will start posting after the current round ends
Bitcoin Talk Name: pawanjain
Bitcoin Talk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=900041;
Rank: Sr.member
Post Count (including this post): 841
BTC Address: 3A7XsWneHzbQ3Tcw2PZgN9Khr7dDAPBJQx
ETH Address : 0xeF22923235d362Ed5ba31FD2eD3Dc5c84D24EB2a

#JOIN
Bitcointalk username:  hasmukh_rawal
Forum rank: Full Member
Posts count:  232
ETH address: 0xeF22923235d362Ed5ba31FD2eD3Dc5c84D24EB2a

And most importantly joining the same campaign with your alt account:

Accepted

Bitcointalk Username: pawanjain
Rank: Sr.Member
Current post count:  1146
Bitcoin wallet address: 3A7XsWneHzbQ3Tcw2PZgN9Khr7dDAPBJQx
DEPOTWALLET Address: will apply once selected
Wear appropriate signature: Yes
Wear avatar: Yes
Bitcointalk Username: hasmukh_rawal
Rank: full member
Current post count: 459
Bitcoin wallet address : 3A7zerVLsJmyNTPmBo8APJJDjJ1oEtYZV7
DEPOTWALLET Address: later
Wear appropriate signature: Yes
Wear avatar: Yes

The campaign is now full
All participants are required to comply to all rules mention in page 1 of this thread to qualify for weekly payouts.

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April 08, 2019, 04:23:34 PM
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Since we're about the Merit system...
I wanted to deserve a post that is in the Russian forum but I have the following message that tells me "You cannot merit that post" I've never seen this message before. I ask because I have never seen anyone asking the question, even if I have searched a little with the search feature.

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April 08, 2019, 04:25:53 PM
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Since we're about the Merit system...
I wanted to deserve a post that is in the Russian forum but I have the following message that tells me "You cannot merit that post" I've never seen this message before. I ask because I have never seen anyone asking the question, even if I have searched a little with the search feature.
You'll get that message if you have the section on ignore.  If you un-ignore the section and then go back and try to merit the post, it should work.  It's a pain in the ass that you have to do that, but maybe in 2075 when the new forum software gets launched there'll be a fix. 

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April 08, 2019, 05:11:36 PM
Last edit: April 08, 2019, 05:42:02 PM by pawanjain
 #40

Nobody is perfect bud. I have made mistakes in my past but what matters is how you learn from the mistakes and improve yourself. I had faced time when I had no job and my financial status was so low that I had to walk miles to save a few bucks.Signature campaigns helped me a lot in handling my expenses and I thank the forum for that with all my heart. It was during those times when I committed this mistake. The mistake I did was not to read the campaign rules clearly. Although I did apply for it at the same time, once I read the rules clearly, I decided not to go against the rules and I left the campaign not only with one but both of my accounts. You can also see this in the spreadsheet (post count is same) of that campaign.
Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FKIXSX7mdYykkF29Ls0_vP1y54IraFvExAyNvWciJ2w/edit#gid=0

While the forum rule is that alt accounts are accepted and few of the trusted members here have alt accounts too, I have tried not to spam/shitpost/or any activity which is against the forum rules. I respect the forum for whatever it is. After that incident I have tried not to commit such mistakes again. Do you still think I have done anything wrong or something that is against the forum, if yes please let me know before anybody flags my account. Flagging an account doesn't take much time but building it while complying the rules does take a lot of hardwork and time.

P.S: I have tried to contribute much towards the forum and the crypto community in general. Besides that I have also encouraged people to use crypto and provided them crypto knowledge whatever I had.
When I had no job, I have also educated other people to learn about crypto and this was one of the ways I started earning money through crypto.

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