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What happened:: The user "sellinglegandaryaccount" is trying to sell a green trusted legendary account all over the forum.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2592662

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138657.msg50869259#msg50869259
Amount Scammed: possibly >500€
Payment Method: -
Proof of Payment: -
PM/Chat Logs: -
Additional Notes: Is translating his post in various other languages and posting it on local boards.
Additional reference links: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138637.msg50868578#msg50868578
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138648.msg50868968#msg50868968
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138650.msg50869070#msg50869070


Account sellers are not to be trusted - especially when it's about high ranked accounts.
Probably he is not even the owner of the account.

DT, please tag him.

There is a chance that the owner of the legendary account is another person so cant tag that legendary account but the person who posted account sale topic has been tagged to avoid scam or discourage scammer.

I think that chance is 100%.  ;)

Thank you!

I did some research and the Most likely profile being sold is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81795.

Summary:
1. The account has been very activity over the last couple of years like it used to be, probably more reason for the owner to sell it.
2. Account hasn't changed email or password accounting to Metalog as of today and the posting style to hasn't changed since it was created
3. Owner seems to know German language well and some bit of Spanish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234163.msg9590653#msg9590653) too... Perhaps he was using google translate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234163.msg9590710#msg9590710) for to post in Spanish

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PROOF
1. Sales Announcement:
Account is proven to be of a known German Local Board regular, First sell announcement (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138637.msg50868578#msg50868578) was made in the German Local Board

2. Trust Score
Very likely to have been altered through HTML editing to make members chase a dead end.
Could have been due to different trust settings
3. Activity and posts
Initials of activity and post on the screenshot of the account being sold are both 1 and 2 just like on the profile of bernard75 which are 1316 and 2190 respectively.

4. Merit
Also likely to have been altered through HTML editing to make members chase a dead end.
Thanks to Veleor, user recently received merit as pointed out

5. Date Registered
Account on the screenshot: 00-02-2013, 12:02:43
Suspected account on sale: 18-02-2013, 12:02:43

6. Avatar
The avatar on the account in the screenshot is the same as the one the suspected account is bearing.
Quick question thou, How many legendary members have that kind of avatar?

7. Signature
No signature for both profiles

8. Last active
At the time of the announcement, the account on sale was showing online or at-least was last active in the last few minutes before the announcement.
- Last active of suspected account (Bernard75)
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/nu20w.png

- Last active of account seller (sellinglegandaryaccount)
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/nuaM9.png

There is a 9 minute difference between the last activity of the 2 accounts

9. Screenshot Comparison

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/nuXJN.gif    https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/nudpa.png

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Members be the Judges:

I think this is more of a reputation thing than a scam accusation since no one was scammed. OP you can move it to the reputations board so that some DT members can look into it.

Impressive detective work, after looking through your reply... chances are high that it could be the account being sold. Let's wait, see what other people think about it.

Hmmm well i am accusing him of scamming people (or trying to scam people), so i believe this is the proper board.

Since we don't know if the legendary account is actually involved in this, his / her reputation can't be the topic. (correct me if i'm wrong)

I asked account trader about 'bernard75': https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138657.msg50891179#msg50891179

This will discourage potential buyers from purchasing the profile, I guess.

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I suppose this depends on Trust settings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust). I see bernard75 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81795)' trust score as 10 at this moment.

https://i.imgur.com/K1B4vYU.png


I don't think this is a tricky attempt to confuse members.
Possibly, the difference between merit amount is due to the fact that account seller posted a screenshot (http://archive.li/QzWaU#selection-1697.1-1697.2) of the profile with 1000 merit, and after that bernard75 received 2 additional merit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=81795 (BPIP (https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=bernard75&from=Vod))

This account couldn't tag by depend on suspicion. Need strong evidence before tag this kind of account. If seller use screenshots of my account and unfortunately I changed password then should I got tag?

Tagged seller, I don't don't think he/she have any green trust account for sell. His/her intention is just scam people's. Green trust could be removed any time by the way. Because most of time I follow that person where I left positive feedback's. I would like to remove positive feedback's when I will noticed any suspicious activity from that profile. So its just a scam trap.

WTF?!?

Do you guys get off on that?

Anyway, thats not mine, but astonishingly close.

Please prove this by sending me a pm from the account you're selling.

Anyone may tell that the person will sell a legendary account and the seller may provide few criteria or screenshot which seems to be theymos, so should we tag, theymos?
We cant tag until any strong evidence.
You have provided a lot of info which is matching with the so-called selling account but what is the evidence that the seller is the real owner of that account and/or any other legendary account. There is a lot of scammers and they can say anything as I said first.
If that's not you then what's your problem?
If you (sellinglegandaryaccount) are afraid to send LoyceMobile your account details then you may send that to (LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836)).

Thanks for your effort, sorry but I do not think screenshot can be considered sufficient proof. Even if all of its parts are clear. (I can simply edit the image after it is captured or modified from the browser.)
As for trust, it is different if this user has modified their trust list.
Anyway, that account (bernard75) is a DT member so I assume that (@sellinglegandaryaccount) is a scammer because the account will cost much more.

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You seem to be wrong.   :P :P
Local Time:   May 04, 2019, 09:41:22 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2592662)  Local Time:   May 04, 2019, 10:41:53 AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81795)

What?
How the fuck do i get involved in this BS?

For future references, get a job noobs.

Easy: anyone can screenshot any account and claim to sell it. It doesn't mean anything.

The day someone claims to be selling my account will be the day I tag an account seller!

It's weekend :D

Maybe a little harsh, but shit like this really pisses me off.

If i wouldnt have been contacted by PM, i would never know of this BS.
Who knows what other shit is floating about me here?

My account is not for sale! Tripple Xmark!!!

If all information can be matched even we cant call the person who is selling the account is the real owner of the mentioned account and/or any other account as s/he can claim anything butwecant call him/her real owner until s/he can proof his/her ownership.

I think those people who are trying to find out matching information just wasting time nothing else. As I can post by a newbie account that account of you will be sold, so what will happen? Does that mean you are responsible?

Now, hold your horses.

Why should i be responsible for some noob?
And btw who can prove he is scamming?

And please dont drag me into this.

Yes, I think you are not responsible for that and you should not be responsible for that.

S/he is selling account which can increase scam, spam. And once s/he will sell the account and the account will be tagged and after tagging the account will the seller return the money? The seller knows very well that account will be tagged that's why not posting from the real account or s/he has no legendary account.

And just btw isnt Thermos selling copper accounts officially?

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@shasan

Not my problem...

That can be bought by anyone and you can know the ownership not changing for that that can only change a few features. But when you will sell or buy the account then ownership will be changed manner/activity of the previous owner and the new owner can be different but for copper ownership not changing so activity/manner not changing.
For being a copper membership the owner of the account cant get any advantages from the community I mean cant sell reversible payment, cant take loan for the rank, can take part on the higher ranked campaign and so on. But if account sells then all this opportunity can be taken by the account.

Theymos is not selling copper accounts, he's selling copper upgrades.  Any account can buy the upgrade.


I think you keep misinterpreting shasan.  He's sticking up for you.  Any newbie can browse the forum's accounts until he finds one he would like to "sell," take a screenshot of it, modify hit to his liking, and pretend that he has a high-ranking account for sale.  I think this is what happened to your account.  

The only involvement you have (that I know of) is that it seems a screen shot of your profile was used for this attempted scam.  Nobody is blaming you for that.  I believe shasan agrees with me.

That's possible, and it's one of the reasons why I didn't tag the account in question.  There have been instances in the past where someone was selling an account and it was identified because the seller disclosed too many details about it, but in this case I don't feel confident enough that it's the right account to tag it.  I'm not saying it's not the right one, just that it hasn't been proven beyond all reasonable doubt in my mind.

These are the only 4 (now) legendaries accounts registered on that date

81848   mmitech   Legendary   Legendary   2013-02-18T19:29:47   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81848
81839   edgar   Legendary   Legendary   2013-02-18T17:40:44   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81839
81821   tigerfree   Legendary   Legendary   2013-02-18T14:57:31   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81821
81795   bernard75   Legendary   Legendary   2013-02-18T12:02:43   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81795


Scanning all avatars of legendaries

(Yes I know I have autistics traits)


But even if this is the account, you can't prove anything. (even we know this is most likely an real attempt to sell it)

Nah, i got him, only the BS got me going a bit.

@coinlocket$
They dont have the stats the seller mentioned.
Did you scrape the site? Or was it just for fun?

Edit: I see it now, only by date.

I have a snapshot of it, so far checked 1500 accounts, the only one with your avatar is this one

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60727

https://puu.sh/DnJGK/56239be367.png

Are you a mod or do you have access logs somehow?

LOL, good luck selling that.

And i guess, i should change my avatar, or has Thermos still not fixed that?

Nevermind about lenny_ the avatar is slightly different, over 2200 legendary accounts your avatar seems to be unique (I'm 90% sure about it).

I think this can be a real attempt to sell, let's see if the email o password will change soon  ::)



http://archive.fo/zIrnc

http://archive.fo/82rW9

Nothing to add here so I will no post anymore till new thigs happens. Gl.

Hm, thats the standard they issued 2014/15, not really sure.

Thx for the idea, i will scrape the site myself, really pissed.

I am not wrong mate, I guess by the time you checked the profiles, the last actives had changed as the user had already logged in.
But when I was comparing the accounts early in the morning, the last active difference was only nine minutes a part.
Only mistake I made was not to archive both profiles as I got distracted here.

Quite an assumption to think everybody who posts in the forum has no job.
Nobody has tagged you yet, and so I don't even know why you are bitter.

At the end of the day we have to stay vigilant and if I see something off, as a member of the community, I have to report it here because if a green trusted account is up for sale, then some people are soon going to fall victims. You don't know if the new buyer is going to have a good heart like the previous owner.
So you can't blame me for putting up your account to spotlight, because I found very striking similarities and "coincidences" with what was gathered from the post.

Now we may assume that probably someone was trying to frame your account which has not yet been ruled out but i am yet to find answers to this particular points and so i put it out for members to be judges

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Meanwhile, I also quite picked up interest in your choice of words between the two accounts. For future reference, just in case something comes up and the "noobs" are still jobless





I am out for now.

Oh shit, you got me. ??? ??? ???
I do speak a bit of Mandarin, cant write a common sentence though.
Anyway this looks like gtans.

BTW: What the fuck is up with your signature? How much do you get for starting dumb discussions?

If you mean @logfiles Then as further as I know s/he is not getting any from signature as the campaign already ended.

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Anyway, there is a possible scam so why the community will stay away from the discussion?

loyceV, I saw you tagged by other people to join telegram campaign

https://i.ibb.co/1RBXHbH/1233.png

source : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OIWy_8Bj22aTH1s_Pat9TFzMe1IWJDl0xa5spVZldT4/edit#gid=761123474

note :
Bones261 #147
minerjones #283
LoyceV #332

WTF ??? Thanks for letting me know. I never registered for this campaign. I have posted in the bounty thread and let the campaign manager know by PM. This really sucks!

It is not necessary you have applied on the project or the person who has applied doesn't have any access to your account. Anyone can fill the google form by anyone's info which the owner of the account can't know. And the person who applied on the project may get payment too instead of the real owner of the account and it may happen for telegram campaign (usually), it may happen for facebook, twitter, etc too, in this case, they user others twitter/facebook profile who has already applied on the project. And this type of sin happens when the project does not require proof of authentication.

That's what happens when an incompetent campaign manager doesn't care about doing his job. It's easy to prevent, but that would mean more work and less applications.

The bounty manager could check easily if s/he requires proof of authentication and also s/he could avoid if ask proof of authentication link on the form. By this way, the bounty manager could check easily and in this way fraud, people never could get payment.

Problem solved I guess

The account has been permabanned by mods

Indeed problem solved.
Looks like whoever wanted to sell the account won't be able to sell it anymore.