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# The DT system might not be the best system however it could work better if the people are in the network would be more responsible. Shame the DT1 (the most seniors)
# To VOD. This topic has nothing to do with you. I am targeting those shameless DTs and also those sockpuppets, ass lickers who are sucking those DTs asses every time to get mercy (merit, getting added in their trust list, to get positive feedback) from them.

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So the recent VOD vs OG event clearly is demonstrating the greedy manipulative shameless DTs true color. Clearly there is a side, a group who are doing everything in their power to protect VOD. May be this is the group which is the most manipulative and effective group in this community. If they manipulate the DT system then no one dare to question it but if anyone else try the same then this same group will shut you down.


VOD trust page (Untrusted feedback)
https://i.imgur.com/6saQX6X.png

teeGUMES has taken off from DT
OgNasty not in DT. He was also taken off from DT
Rmcdermott927 has taken off from DT
bill gator has taken off from DT

I am interested to see who will be the next to tag VOD and then they will be taken off from DT? Anyone dare!

VOD trust page (trusted feedback)
https://i.imgur.com/vqJEAl4.png
Interesting latest positive feedback from Hhampuz, TMAN
By the way there was another feedback left by suchmoon which is missing in this image though.


Anyway, I am interested to see LoyceV's http://loyce.club/trust project's next update for the following users:

teeGUMES: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-11_Sat_05.45h/307884.html | http://archive.is/yg3SS
OgNasty: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-11_Sat_05.45h/18321.html | http://archive.is/CKqZ0
Rmcdermott927: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-11_Sat_05.45h/289011.html | http://archive.is/Lor9U
bill gator: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-11_Sat_05.45h/370611.html | http://archive.is/ySv1A

In the next update, may be we will find some of the member of these abusive DT network manipulators. Just find those who distrusted/removed teeGUMES, OgNasty, Rmcdermott927 and bill gator from their trust network.

Who am I? Not important ( may be someone close to an admin :P )
Bitcoin price: $8,099 yey!!

Yawn. Want me to legitimately tag Vod to disprove this bullshit? Oh right, you'd cry again. Don't be a hypocritical pajeet +- idiot +- narcissistic baboon and people will not distrust you. It's easy.

I think theymos should go back to cultivating a good (default) trust list.

I don’t think the current experiment is a success.

Newbie account talking about trust system and this is first topic. Posting style is CH, whoever you are but its true that you are using sockpuppets in order to fight with DT system. Why are you worry about your old account?  If you are legit then you don't need worry to speak true.

Expected, I have got same answer from all alt of CH ;D

Gotcha red handed you red trust queen LOL
So you think you are one of the member of this manipulative DT network group? Or I don't see any other reason for your Yawn, Fawn attitude.

You think it's fucking bullshit? or you are ignoring truths?
Have you ate your brain that you can not see those 4 member were down from the DT network?
Yeah, sadly I see you ate your brain.


You think I am crying? Get a life!
Why you care by the way? Just curious.

It would work just find if these manipulative fucked up group would not exist or theymos could do something about them.

We will see a clear list of them once we will have the next update from LoyceV trust project.

Hello! hello!
What did I say:
As expected.
Listen dude, try learning English and you don't need to say the same line twice, trice or even more in a post (your post history is full of repeated sentences) just to make it to fulfill the requirement of your signature campaign.

Really! Did you see the fate happened with the four users because they were speaking up. Listen I am not expecting much from you. You will repeat for the sake of your signature spam. Just STFO from this topic.

Edit:
An example post:

The following was enough instead of repeating and repeating all these mess above

Oh! wait! people will think you are oneliner shitposter LOL if you do so? I doubt Hhampuz even check the contents of your posts. He only sees the juggle of characters and lines.

You and another guy called talkstar or something are a good definition of shitposters and ass-lickers. There are more which I can not remember at the moment, it doesn't even matter by the way since this post is not about the minor advantages you guys are taking here. It's more about saving the forum from these abusive DTs in the network. Sadly members like you, are fueling those DTs in power by the way.

I have no idea if the OP is CH or not but the ad hominem attacks are not helping anything.

Somebody just need to check the DT1 list who are distrusting OGNasty and instantly see these are the same people who are jumping into threads gaslighting (thanks qs for the word) .


Based on that link
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-11_Sat_05.45h/18321.html

Vod
TMAN
Lauda
suchmoon
owlcatz
thepharmacist
Hhampuz
dazedfool
Ecuamobi


These names sound familar doesnt it ?

Would you post that with your real account it would be already destroyed  ;D ;D ;D

They must be really mad about that.


I'm pretty sure its not CH.Thats not his writing style

Creating hundreds of topics about the same subject isn't helping either.

Will you be kind enough to give an effective idea then please? It's better this way instead staying silent like shit.

I am a DT
I am very generous user in a specific board
I am an x bitcointalker

But look at me! I had to post it using a new account because the entire forum has snitched by a group that you can not speak up from your real identity.

Stop editing posts once it was answered.
So, you are saying:
teeGUMES
OgNasty
Rmcdermott927
bill gator

were "hypocritical pajeet +- idiot +- narcissistic baboon"?

You really ate your brain fella.

The risk is that we see a similar group of users pop up in the future that do the very same thing.

Removing these people from the trust system is necessary but doing that alone will only be a temporary solution.

I suspect some of them have sock puppets and they will probably start being used in similar ways once the people in question are removed.

what do you expect to this idiot Vod he thinks hes untouchable in this forum,theymos doesnt even care about us ,so stop whinning there wont be any change to this forum these extortionist/liars/abusers will still have the whole forum.

I excluded teeGUMES from my trust list because of the feedback he left Vod, which I very much disagreed with.  After reviewing the whole situation--at least as much as I know about the drama between Vod and OgNasty and Vod's subsequent actions--I'm going to un-exclude him. 

I'm not sure what to think about what's going on right now, but the vibe is very bad.  I also don't think bill gator deserved to be removed from DT, and since I've had interactions and financial transactions with him which lead me to believe he's a genuine, straight-up guy, I'm going to include him on my trust list.

As far as Rmcdermott927 goes, I know nothing about what's going on there.  And I've had OgNasty excluded for quite some time, and I'm not going to revise that.  In fact, aside from those two changes I mentioned above, I'm not going to do anything hasty or out of emotion with respect to my trust list until I can figure out what the hell is going on. 

I really don't like the state bitcointalk is in right now.

No need to wait, you can see live updates on DT1 inclusions/exclusions on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview.
My next project will be a dtview-changelog-viewer with hourly changes since April 12.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to stay silent. Anyone is allowed to speak up. What I meant was that there are numerous open threads on the same topic. There is no point in creating more threads, besides littering the forum.

The best approach (imo) would be contacting Theymos directly to address your concerns. Threads like this alway end up in childish bickering (coming from both sides) and the last thing Theymos wants is to step in like some kindergarten teacher.

Same thinking from my end and its really ugly to see multiple thread based on same topic. Its nothing but opening a meaningless debate. After seeing this kinda topic again and again  newbies will be so much discouraged from learning new things rather than watching time wasting arguments.  

There is no way to deny that currently bitcointalk community users are being busy with this kind of issues and its because some users like OP is trying to make the situation much complicated from their premeditated ideas. As a newber OP should learn forum rules and visit other sections for gathering knowledge rather than making useless thread.

Just checked new added distrusts from DT1 member to teegumes and bill gator and what a surprise



New added distrusts from DT1 for teegumes from :

Lauda
suchmoon
Hhampuz
owlcatz
nutilda
bones261



New added distrusts from DT1 for bill gator from :

vod
tman
lauda
yogg
owlcatz
Hhampuz


What a surprise these people who are talking the most about forgiveness trying to end that topic and gaslightning are the ones who kicked other DT members out.

premeditated ideas?  You shit!

You just had in my mind.

Newbie FTFY.

LOL
I am newbie?
I AM NEWBIE! LOL
Someone please give me a rotten tomato.

Does this fuck even read OP before making comments.

@Hhampuz: You really needs to check post quality of some of these shitposters. They are just spamming the forum and licking the asses. I understand you can not do anything about their ass licking but you can do something about their shitposting.  I think BitBlender is not going to like paying the shitposters.

I doubt PMing theymos will get you any solution. He will answer you something which will stand in the middle and you will be more confused than you were before. I understand that it's hard for him to pick a side even when he finds a gray area in a user's behavior.

This is a forum driven by the community. Community needs to find a solution for it and theymos needs to act based on the community feedback than some auto picked up manipulative individuals. I wonder when theymos will has his eyes open.

Edit:
I am CH, what else anyone have in mind?
May be I will consider revealing my identity to some of these sockpuppets.

Yep, it's cryptohunter alright.  Nobody else could be such a big putz, a wordy troll, and so wrong in his first three posts.  
That takes a unique level of skill.  ::)

It's not CH.Get a brain and stop acting like an idiot

I was at 4 DT1 inclusions until just recently and am now down to just 1...  Hmmmmmm...

Yep, and Hhampuz had me included as of this morning, now suddenly I am excluded in spite of the fact I never said a word about Hhampuz during this whole blowout, which leads me to believe he is doing so because he has pressure being put on him from the "club of special people" he is so desperately trying to be a part of. I would have loved to hear his objections, but when I went to PM him about it, I found he had blocked me too like a coward in spite of our previous open line of amicable communication. I guess I will just have to take my discussion of it to the public then since he is to afraid to have a private conversation with people he found trustworthy as of a day ago.

Not only this experiment is not a success but is a total failure, FAILURE with CAPITAL letters. 3-4 guys are commanding the forum, the ranking of the forum in Alexa is down and and the traffic is also down. I am not feeling strange about these stats, it will only deteriorate further and only because of the BIG flaws in the trust system.

Another fact I want to add is that these new 3-4 or a bit more persons are even damaging users who have been here for much longer than them and have a history of trading goods worth thousand of dollars and yet they don't decide anything but these new users do, how fucked up is that ?

I have already explained why I excluded teeGUMES in another thread. It is a principle that theymos included in a reply to me.


I do not think it was right for teeGUMES to tag the merit givers to sound the alarm on Vod's behavior. Although teegumes has removed the red trust, I am not removing my exclusion, at this time. Quite frankly, my exclusion has nothing to do with the red trust he had left for Vod.

This is fine I do not fault you for standing up for something you believe to be right. Many times throughout the countless threads here I have stated that had there been another way of achieving this same effect, I would have used it. If as a merit source you believe that one day in the future you think you'll throw some of your merit down on a public doxx to expend your source then our paths will probably cross again.

look at fucking suchmoon,he has given you red trust then changed it to neutral he doesnt want people to get tagged by giving merits but if the normal people abuses the merit system he wont allow, a total coward supporting an idiot colleague.I respect you teeGUMES more by his actions.

I excluded Rmcdermott927 not specifically for tagging Vod, but for his overly hysterical justification for it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142064.msg51017076#msg51017076) which makes me question his judgement in other cases, not just this one. I didn't exclude any of the others, at least not for this drama.

Stop protesting too much, then. If you wanted people to know it's you, you'd have used your main account.

I have never given red trust for teeGUMES. I have excluded him for reasons not directly related to Vod and explained multiple times, including by bones261 above. BTW teeGUMES is back in DT1 which is hopefully a net positive for the forum but my personal opinion is unchanged.

I guess it's too much to ask for excrement like you to get your facts straight so carry on.

     Let's just hope for all the users that give out merit(merit sources and the general population alike) that other DT1 and DT2 members don't take your precedent and construe it to mean that perhaps they can go ahead and red trust meriters if they merit other types of posts that the DT member finds unsavory. Personally, I think red trust for merit should only be done for selling/buying merit or using it to rank up an account farm. All other complaints about merit should be brought up either by PM or the open forum, and if theymos feels it's abuse, he may reverse them and if it involves a merit source, give them the boot. However, to each their own, I guess.

"I added to my notes the fact that those users merited such a post. Meriting it is saying basically that we need more posts like this on the forum, and we do not need more posts like this on the forum."

Most important thing you should have taken away from theymos' post. You think in his notes he put these users on the good boy/girl side of his list?
To each their own I guess.

     However, it appears that the only action theymos took in this case was making a mental note and to clarify what merit giving should be about. It appears Foxpup is still a merit source and the merits to Vod have not been reversed as of this moment. Therefore, I am going to go by the words that theymos wrote in response to me, months ago.

Hey bones261 no worries at all.. I definitely know who's side I'd take in these kinds of situations if I were you. Never wanna bite the hand that feeds you.

https://i.imgur.com/jFjHRll.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg50345864#msg50345864 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124985.msg50345864#msg50345864)

  I've already explained my main motivation, and have quoted theymos to justify it. If you really think that maintaining my income stream from the signature that I am wearing has anything to do with this, you must think I am really hard up. After all, I am not even posting anywhere near the maximum of 55 posts a week for this signature. Furthermore, I am certain that if HHampuz gave me the boot, there are plenty of other signature campaigns that I could easily join.
  

Why do you care what's in his notes. Maybe he's got a 2-inch binder on each of us. Maybe he just said that to yank the chain.

I understand the need to look up to theymos for some guidance on trust/merit/etc but you guys are taking this into Maoism territory here by interpreting words that perhaps are just regular words without any hidden meaning. He's anarcho-libertarian or whatever, he wants us to use our judgement with as little supervision as possible but we're failing miserably so far.

Which is quite generous given your behavior.

That's the kind of people that you're up against. Anything will be used against you for not siding with them*. Mr. Snowfucker will not kick you out of the campaign regardless if you agree or disagree with him any matters. A quite cancerous group they are indeed.

Correct. I (and other merit sources) don't always agree with theymos, but I don't believe he wants us to, either. The whole point of the merit system and DT voting is for the community to collectively decide for itself what actions are appropriate, without having to appoint theymos as our benevolent dictator. If theymos has to intervene for every little disagreement, the experiment is a failure.

If that is the case it was a failure the moment he introduced exclusions.

The experiment is indeed a failure and intervention will only increase in the following months.


Theymos should go back and pick his real friends as DT, people he interacts with regularly. It will reset the forum norms in line with their collective values and behavior.

That sounds like a government to me, which is exactly what Theymos wants to avoid.

Your statement is very funny, what do you think the actual DT is ? You think is not a government because everybody here I think agrees with me that DT is a government.

Few users dictate what will happen to one person account, while they maybe right in their decision lot of times they are in a lot more others wrong so in the end it isn't working as a system.

Here you go:
teeGUMES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=307884) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=307884) 103: -0 / +11) (DT1! (0) 285 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/307884.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-18_Sat_06.23h/307884.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=teeGUMES))
OgNasty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=18321) 21: -6 / +64) (DT1 (-2) 664 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/18321.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-18_Sat_06.23h/18321.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=OgNasty))
Rmcdermott927 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=289011) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=289011) 201: -0 / +21) (37 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/289011.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-18_Sat_06.23h/289011.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Rmcdermott927))
bill gator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=370611) 0: -1 / +14) (DT1! (0) 510 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/370611.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-18_Sat_06.23h/370611.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bill gator))

It is actually good to have voting system, that prevents few users to remove someone from DT because other users can vote for user to stay in DT.

How many DT1 members we have, 80 or something? So real question is not why someone is excluded by few members  ;)

Giving red trust to someone for meriting a post that you disagree with, find offensive, or think was otherwise wrongfully merited isn't acceptable, and I think that's why I'd originally excluded teeGUMES from my trust list.  I thought that was terrible judgement on his part, but in any case I don't think anybody should be negging members for those reasons. 

Agree, but personally I wouldn't even give merit abusers a negative and I stopped doing so months ago.  There is way too much subjectivity when it comes to handing out merits, and it's often difficult to prove someone has abused the merit system.  Red paint should be applied very conservatively IMO.

Actisstupidname's suggestion that Theymos should pick his friends for DT would be basically going back to how the system was before, right?  Theymos had picked the people he trusted to be DT1 members if I'm not mistaken, and I wouldn't exactly call that a government.  They weren't necessarily scam busters or members who left a lot of negs or did any kind of actions normally associated with governance.  I'd prefer we didn't go back to that.

I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that once you merit something it can not be removed. When handing out merit you actually need to think longer and harder about what you are doing than when leaving positive/neutral/negative trust because it can not be modified or taken away (unless post deletion/admin?). The conversation we should be having hasn't even been had yet because the attack dogs came out and tried to destroy me because I temporarily red tagged some of their favorite members, when these members permanently merited a public dox.

Did I use the wrong tool to bring light to this? Maybe/Probably. Is there a proper forum tool available? I don't think so.

I get it, believe me.  There was no good tool to combat shitposters back before January 2018 when the merit system was implemented, so I and actmyname were using the trust system as a tool to fight them.  It was not a good use of the trust system and I knew that, but I was so frustrated at how bad the situation had gotten that I felt I had to use the only tool available.

As far as the irreversible nature of merits and needing to think long and hard before leaving them....I don't think it's that big a deal.  Merits are just a "like", except that they carry a lot more weight because many members need them to rank up, and they're somewhat of a status symbol here.  But IMO it's not that big of a deal if merits occasionally are given out for questionable or controversial posts, hence why I think it's wrong to neg someone for a merit they gave out (unless it's an obvious case of abuse). 

Anyway teeGUMES, no hard feelings from my end and I apologize for reacting the way I did.  I should have given the situation a lot more thought before acting.