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Title: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: NCarter84 on May 15, 2019, 11:22:13 PM
So, I jumped on this mining train in December of 2017 and have stuck around since... Ever so slowly, adding cards... As cards came on.. The heat in the house kept getting worse... I made it through last summer, enjoyed the winter and the free heat... But, here we are coming up on summer again here in the US/Mid West. So, I took it in my own hands... Grow tent idea but wife didn't like it... So built this thing up.

My Box:

https://imgur.com/1G6EDJa

My Fan In the Window:

https://imgur.com/gy8oV2T

Air Flow:

https://imgur.com/ZKkWhXS

Final Product

https://imgur.com/0z7hdga


To start, I only had the large fan in the window pulling air... I was happy with it, but I went ahead and added an inline booster fan. Once that was completd, my box went from 104 degrees to 95 degrees (internal) and the room temp has dropped a half a degree. Downstairs is currently 72 degrees and the room with the GPUs in it is under 79 degrees at this point.

Also, the GPU temps are very good with the inline fan running as they dropped around 4 degrees total in the 1st hour of running.

I believe this is the 1st time I've ever started a topic here... Amongst the minds of the brilliant... I hope I have brought value to the community and new creative ways to continue the dream...

Enjoy!

-N


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: CLywaTeLb on May 16, 2019, 06:38:04 AM
Good work. You have spent some time and money on this.
But was it not easier to install air conditioning? In the summer, the costs would increase by some amount (power for the conditioner is more than for the fan). At the same time, the air conditioner can dry the air a little.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: adaseb on May 16, 2019, 07:30:52 AM
Good work. You have spent some time and money on this.
But was it not easier to install air conditioning? In the summer, the costs would increase by some amount (power for the conditioner is more than for the fan). At the same time, the air conditioner can dry the air a little.

Miners almost never use air conditioning in their homes. The reason why is because it would use too much power and make it unprofitable. Even if the profitability was very high and the air conditioning only was a small fraction of the cost, then it wouldn't be able to keep up with getting all the heat out if you had massive amount of GPUs.

The best way is to have an intake and exhaust type setup and have good ventilation. It might be hot and unliveable in that room, so you will need to sleep elsewhere but the GPUs can survive higher temps than humans.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: FoBoT on May 16, 2019, 07:50:32 AM
Your arrangement is very good and it can really help to reduce heat but i am thinking that the wooden box could get damaged or burnt over time due to excessive heat
I often move my mining to the car garage outside the living room during the summer period,


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: CLywaTeLb on May 16, 2019, 11:59:17 AM
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Miners almost never use air conditioning in their homes. The reason why is because it would use too much power and make it unprofitable. Even if the profitability was very high and the air conditioning only was a small fraction of the cost, then it wouldn't be able to keep up with getting all the heat out if you had massive amount of GPUs.

The best way is to have an intake and exhaust type setup and have good ventilation. It might be hot and unliveable in that room, so you will need to sleep elsewhere but the GPUs can survive higher temps than humans.
Yes, you are right, air conditioning is expensive. But there are such cases for the GPUs.

In this case, the mining farm should not be located in the room. In addition to excessive heat, there may be electromagnetic radiation, which with prolonged exposure can cause some disease.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: shiming on May 16, 2019, 12:59:58 PM
Strong hands-on ability. Cooling down may be a very good way. In summer, I also like air conditioning, but the electricity bill is too expensive. I recommend that the basement cool down is also very good....


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: NCarter84 on May 16, 2019, 01:02:40 PM
Adding an AC is and was not an option. That is just more power and more heat.

As far as the $ cost to build this, I had the fan already and used it last summer... It would keep the room a balmy 97-107 F, depending on the day... Even with the door closed, it made the whole house warm. Thus, this is where I came up with this idea. I basically put 50$ of wood into this and a 50$ booster fan... Over the course of the summer, this should cause the heat level of the house to decrease which in return will allow the AC not to work as hard or as much.

I have the inline booster fan on a spare smart plug so I can turn it on/off as needed through out the day...

If this box can keep that room with the door closed under 85 degrees in the summer... It's gonna be a good year :)


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: BitBustah on May 16, 2019, 02:16:15 PM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Harai Goshi on May 16, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.

That's kinda harsh...

There's a place for "serious" miners.  There's also a place for "Hobby" miners.   

I have 120 GPUs running in a couple locations, including my house ... does that qualify me as "serious"?  I have no idea... but I dont really think so.  I think of it as something more along the lines of ... say... golf.  A hobby I take seriously and spend a ton of money on, but I still suck at it.  At least I dont throw GPUs into lakes like I do clubs.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: NCarter84 on May 16, 2019, 09:32:14 PM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.

That's kinda harsh...

There's a place for "serious" miners.  There's also a place for "Hobby" miners.   

I have 120 GPUs running in a couple locations, including my house ... does that qualify me as "serious"?  I have no idea... but I dont really think so.  I think of it as something more along the lines of ... say... golf.  A hobby I take seriously and spend a ton of money on, but I still suck at it.  At least I dont throw GPUs into lakes like I do clubs.

No doubt dude... I bet you there are more non serious miners than the serious miners that live in areas that don't need something like this.

Every gpu matters... I'm just trying to help the next one in line. This thing made my wife happy and I bet it will make someone else's wife happy too.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: TheHas on May 17, 2019, 03:11:21 AM
As I've always been told in mining - it is more important to take the heat off your rigs, rather than trying to put cool air on.

Great airflow is so important in summer.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Michail9090 on May 17, 2019, 06:22:02 AM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.
I have 2 air conditioners in the server room, and 4 miners on the 48Th, quite copes. electricity free


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: pieppiep on May 17, 2019, 07:49:53 AM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.
I have 2 air conditioners in the server room, and 4 miners on the 48Th, quite copes. electricity free

I think your work is in the server place and you can install the mining tools that you have on the server, so you can make the most of your workplace, but you have to be able to configure it neatly so that your boss doesn't get caught.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Iykecollinz on May 17, 2019, 10:09:29 AM
I think this is quite consume a lot of electricity too, In countries where electricity payment is through prepaid and based on usage will have to pay very huge to keep this farm running, I do not know how much you earn from here by estimate but I am sure it would be worth it compared to all the utility cost


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Coffeehot on May 17, 2019, 12:30:57 PM
Novec liquid, it is a 3M product. u can soak the mine in the Novec liquid. it is the most effective way to dissipate heat. Bitmain is doing the same thing.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: r32godzilla on May 17, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
You can now effort to spend more for cooling because mined Bitcoin / altcoins you can sell for much higher price, maybe this caused price growth?  :D


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Harai Goshi on May 17, 2019, 02:20:44 PM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.

That's kinda harsh...

There's a place for "serious" miners.  There's also a place for "Hobby" miners.   

I have 120 GPUs running in a couple locations, including my house ... does that qualify me as "serious"?  I have no idea... but I dont really think so.  I think of it as something more along the lines of ... say... golf.  A hobby I take seriously and spend a ton of money on, but I still suck at it.  At least I dont throw GPUs into lakes like I do clubs.

No doubt dude... I bet you there are more non serious miners than the serious miners that live in areas that don't need something like this.

Every gpu matters... I'm just trying to help the next one in line. This thing made my wife happy and I bet it will make someone else's wife happy too.

Happy wife, happy life.  Or at least...UNhappy wife = UNhappy life.

As such, my quality of life improved IMMENSELY when I moved the asic noise elsewhere =D


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: evlo on May 17, 2019, 04:05:43 PM
200F is pretty safe for GPU, no ext. cooling required


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Hamphser on May 17, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.
If he do mines without minding too much about profitability but rather making this as a sort of hobby then quitting wont be possible yet he had made

some good arrangement with his GPU's and same as you said if you are serious with mining you would considerate the condition of your place when it comes to climate.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: miner29 on May 17, 2019, 08:25:36 PM
Will add no reason for AC of any type.  Just need enough air flow.  200cfm or less as is shown seems minor.  I run bigger boxes but pull 4000-6000cfm and do not use preconditioned air...even if its 40c+ doesnt over heat a single gpu and dont even have to reduce OC settings. 

IT IS ALL ABOUT MOVING ENOUGH AIR!


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: TheHas on May 18, 2019, 05:27:33 AM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.

Haha that's ridiculous. If we're supporting decentralization of currency through blockchain, then that concept can equally apply to mining that cryptocurrency.

What you are suggesting is that only big centralized operations with cheap electricity and who are in cool locations should mine. That thinking is the opposite of what most cryptocurrencies are about.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Dewi Aries on May 18, 2019, 06:44:10 AM
Serious miners are in locations that don't require additional costs for cooling.  You maybe should quit mining or only do it in the colder months for the free heat.
If he do mines without minding too much about profitability but rather making this as a sort of hobby then quitting wont be possible yet he had made

some good arrangement with his GPU's and same as you said if you are serious with mining you would considerate the condition of your place when it comes to climate.
Right thing to do i think. But in my country, there are a lot of miners that go because of hype and never think about cost to do it. And now some of them are already quit with sell their GPUs in cheap price and they loss in their investment.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: xsantana on May 18, 2019, 07:05:19 AM
In my country it's hot, but not as extreme as in other countries,
GPU without using air conditioners such as fans or air conditioners is still able to operate mining.
Even if winter comes, you need a heating device for the room, but not for my GPU


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: r32godzilla on May 18, 2019, 08:34:11 AM
In my country it's hot, but not as extreme as in other countries,
GPU without using air conditioners such as fans or air conditioners is still able to operate mining.
Even if winter comes, you need a heating device for the room, but not for my GPU
Please, show us the one GPU that doesn't require active cooling for its work. You simply can't cool such highly efficient machines with passive cooling only.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: mak013 on May 18, 2019, 08:45:51 AM
In my country it's hot, but not as extreme as in other countries,
GPU without using air conditioners such as fans or air conditioners is still able to operate mining.
Even if winter comes, you need a heating device for the room, but not for my GPU
Please, show us the one GPU that doesn't require active cooling for its work. You simply can't cool such highly efficient machines with passive cooling only.
I understand that he is speaking about additional fans.
As for me - if you have large amount of GPUs in one place - you have to use high quality ventilation system but for 1-3 rigs it isnt necessary.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Keadyar on May 18, 2019, 08:59:38 AM
I understand that he is speaking about additional fans.
As for me - if you have large amount of GPUs in one place - you have to use high quality ventilation system but for 1-3 rigs it isnt necessary.
Ventilation in mining is generally a separate item of expenditure. For example, I think this is a very important point. There is no good quality cooling - there is no normal mining.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: mak013 on May 18, 2019, 08:06:29 PM
Ventilation in mining is generally a separate item of expenditure. For example, I think this is a very important point. There is no good quality cooling - there is no normal mining.
If you will use industial ventilation for 10-20 GPUs - you wouldnt have normal mining. The expenses for it installation and service would exceed the profit. Try to calculate.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: adaseb on May 19, 2019, 07:45:17 AM
We all would want to use liquid cooling for all our GPUs, but you need to face the fact that its not cheap and it also takes up too much room.

GPUs can survive much higher temps than humans. Its basically no differerent than a car. A car just uses the outside air to cool the engine and its sufficent. And with a GPU its no different.

Just have a good intake and exhaust setup with a low/high pressure setup and the air should get quickly sucked out of the room. Depending on how many GPUs are in that room, you probably shouldn't sleep there due to the heat and noise however.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Cellerex on May 19, 2019, 10:06:18 AM
We all would want to use liquid cooling for all our GPUs, but you need to face the fact that its not cheap and it also takes up too much room.

GPUs can survive much higher temps than humans. Its basically no differerent than a car. A car just uses the outside air to cool the engine and its sufficent. And with a GPU its no different.

Just have a good intake and exhaust setup with a low/high pressure setup and the air should get quickly sucked out of the room. Depending on how many GPUs are in that room, you probably shouldn't sleep there due to the heat and noise however.
Summer is coming and the issue of cooling the room and equipment is becoming more and more urgent. I think you need to buy additional air conditioners. I'm already very hot in the room.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: cepot9 on May 19, 2019, 04:59:32 PM
this is amazing bro, you do the right thing by using an inline fan the miner will stay cool even though the weather is very hot even though people recommend using air conditioning but it will make a large and unprofitable cost, the inline fan does not require a large fee but is very worth it


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: dentolas on May 21, 2019, 07:20:27 AM
nice setup  ;D
I don't like air conditioning as it is a relatively expensive equipment and it uses a ton of electricity... I would prefer to buy some GPUs instead  ;)
The ventilation trick is always the same: fan to get the cold air in close to the floor, exaust fan to take the hot air out near the ceiling (hot air rises)
Usually this is the base  ;)


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: Kasperiko on May 21, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
Ventilation in mining is generally a separate item of expenditure. For example, I think this is a very important point. There is no good quality cooling - there is no normal mining.
If you will use industial ventilation for 10-20 GPUs - you wouldnt have normal mining. The expenses for it installation and service would exceed the profit. Try to calculate.

I now wonder if it makes sense to pay for ventilation? If it is possible to put farms in underground buildings as many do. I'm talking about floors that are at 50-100 meters deep or in abandoned mines. The temperature there is close to zero and your farm simply will not be able to get very hot. Thereby you save on cooling.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: mak013 on May 21, 2019, 11:03:15 AM
I now wonder if it makes sense to pay for ventilation? If it is possible to put farms in underground buildings as many do. I'm talking about floors that are at 50-100 meters deep or in abandoned mines. The temperature there is close to zero and your farm simply will not be able to get very hot. Thereby you save on cooling.
I havent seen such solutions. I dont sure that it always would be cold there. It can be that some time later, maybe week or month or a year it would become hot and you`ll need to make much more ventilation works as usual.


Title: Re: Keeping the heat out, summer time mining...
Post by: adaseb on May 22, 2019, 06:36:23 AM
We all would want to use liquid cooling for all our GPUs, but you need to face the fact that its not cheap and it also takes up too much room.

GPUs can survive much higher temps than humans. Its basically no differerent than a car. A car just uses the outside air to cool the engine and its sufficent. And with a GPU its no different.

Just have a good intake and exhaust setup with a low/high pressure setup and the air should get quickly sucked out of the room. Depending on how many GPUs are in that room, you probably shouldn't sleep there due to the heat and noise however.
Summer is coming and the issue of cooling the room and equipment is becoming more and more urgent. I think you need to buy additional air conditioners. I'm already very hot in the room.

Didn't you read the thread? , no miners use air conditioning to cool their rigs. Depending on how many GPUs you got in your place, one air conditioner might not be able to keep up with all the heat.

Also you need to consider that if its hot outside then the air conditioners will be even less efficient because you need it to cool the room from outside heat and also from the heat generated by GPUs. It won't work.

You need to get a good ventilation setup and use a fan for fresh intake from outside and use another fan as the exhaust and stick it near a window so it sucks the heat outside from the room.

It will be very noisy and hot and you probably shouldn't sleep in the same room.