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Title: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 20, 2019, 03:37:40 PM
Dear everybody!

For some reason I can't find my thread.
It's called Cloud mining questions.Even if I check in my profile tabs.
Also my posts were missing.
When I try to visit my thread at the old link I get this message:

"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."

Also I can't find the thread trough the google search or local forum search feature

Give me some advice please,how can I find my thread


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Pamoldar on June 20, 2019, 03:42:29 PM
This means mod deleted the topic you posted. Mod frequently delete topic/posts if you do not follow the posting rules. You can find the rules here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Jet Cash on June 20, 2019, 03:44:23 PM
Was it in mining
You need to be an elite miner to post there


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 20, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Hmm I just checked,but as far as I see I did not violated any rule at all.
Who should I ask what was the reason?


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 20, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
@jetcash

Yes it was in the mining section,but that was not the original place of my thread
It was moved there.Probaly by a mod.I don't know why tough
Originally it was in the newbies/help section


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: DdmrDdmr on June 20, 2019, 04:03:40 PM
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Your thread was removed as you can see in the forum's Modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) :
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Remove topic: Cloud mining questions in topic #5155379 by member #1870366

Your userid is 1870366. Simply search in the modlog by that string and youíll find it there, meaning that the whole thread was trashed.

I found it on Google Cache and archieved it for your reference: http://archive.fo/3u6D1 (cached version may be incomplete, and was still in the Beginners & Help board).

Edit: I don't think the cache will update any further, but just in case: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155379.0

Edit II:
second page: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D5155379.20 (need to refresh if you get 404 error)


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 20, 2019, 04:14:41 PM
Thanks for it:)
Even the first page I liked,but the really interesting part was on the second page.
Hopefully the google cahe will be updated today:)



Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 20, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
Allright!
Thanks for everybody,especially@DdmrDdmr I was able to get both of the pages of my thread.
 ;D
If anybody interested to dabbling into cloud mining,I believe it's quite interesting for that person.
I was reposted it here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.0
under the Cloud mining 101 (Ponzi assessment thread)


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: bones261 on June 20, 2019, 07:23:43 PM
Well, that sucks. One mod moves it from beginners and help to mining and then the next dev deletes the topic. Is that anyway to treat a newbie asking a legitimate question and getting legitimate answers?  ???


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: LTU_btc on June 20, 2019, 07:54:00 PM
Was it in mining
You need to be an elite miner to post there
True. Moderator of Mining section is very strict. He usually deletes topics about cloud mining, things which were already discussed many times previously or generic questions.
If you want to ask something simple about mining, Beginners and help is the best plce for it probably. If you want to discuss about specific cloud mining website you should do it in Marketplace Service Discussion. Cloud mining is also often discussed in Scam Accusations section.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on June 20, 2019, 07:55:17 PM
Well, that sucks. One mod moves it from beginners and help to mining and then the next dev deletes the topic. Is that anyway to treat a newbie asking a legitimate question and getting legitimate answers.  ???
I donít think it should have been moved to mining in the first place. I think the thread should have stayed in the beginner section as I believe it confirmed with the rules of this section.

I have put in a request to have this thread moved to meta so the mods can look at the case and hopefully move it out if the trash can.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: jackg on June 20, 2019, 09:49:32 PM
Go here: https://bitcointalk.org/?action=drafts

Find the post you made and send me a pm of it... I'll answer your questions even if the mods don't like the thread...



The mining section is over moderated and the admins are busy doing other stuff and the mods just don't care...


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 20, 2019, 09:56:53 PM
No way to treat a newbie with valid questions.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Csmiami on June 20, 2019, 10:00:28 PM
Well, that sucks. One mod moves it from beginners and help to mining and then the next dev deletes the topic. Is that anyway to treat a newbie asking a legitimate question and getting legitimate answers.  ???

Mods are humans aswell, they can make a bad decition, or we may not agree with the one they made. But if you believe there has been some kind of error, when asked nicely, you can get an answer as to why they have taken that decition.

As an example, just today I was talking to our local mod (franckuestein) about whether a thread about Poloniex recently stealing 12/6% of their BTC lendors to cover trading losses should go on the Altcoin services or Bitcoin services (I'm not sure we have yet reached any conclusion on the matter as of yet).

But what I mean is that when in doubt, ask nicely, and you will get the answers you are looking for


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 20, 2019, 10:04:14 PM
Well, that sucks. One mod moves it from beginners and help to mining and then the next dev deletes the topic. Is that anyway to treat a newbie asking a legitimate question and getting legitimate answers.  ???

Mods are humans aswell, they can make a bad decition, or we may not agree with the one they made. But if you believe there has been some kind of error, when asked nicely, you can get an answer as to why they have taken that decition.

As an example, just today I was talking to our local mod (franckuestein) about whether a thread about Poloniex recently stealing 12/6% of their BTC lendors to cover trading losses should go on the Altcoin services or Bitcoin services (I'm not sure we have yet reached any conclusion on the matter as of yet).

But what I mean is that when in doubt, ask nicely, and you will get the answers you are looking for
If a Mod is too stupid to see a newbie asking a valid question then deletes it they shouldnt be a Mod.  have mercy on a newbie......what a way to say welcome.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: bones261 on June 20, 2019, 10:10:50 PM
Well, one thing that I can say about the Beginners and Help section. It seems a lot more palatable to read than it was the last time I checked it. The last time I checked it is when people were demoted to newbie because they didn't have even 1 merit. It was filled with people basically begging for merit. I'm not certain if the reason it is actually worth reading now is because the mod(s) for that job have done a good job keeping it clean or if I just picked a wrong time to start reading it in the past.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Csmiami on June 20, 2019, 10:13:19 PM
If a Mod is too stupid to see a newbie asking a valid question then deletes it they shouldnt be a Mod.  have mercy on a newbie......what a way to say welcome.

As a current Mod in a non-crypto related forum, I couldn't disagree more. The section I moderate there has relatively low traffic, so I'm "lucky" that I don't have to deal with tons of BS.

Now, look at the size of Bitcointalk and think: how many BS has that mod deal with today? Yeah, they signed up for this, but they can get upset too. And when you mix being upset with your personal opinion on a topic, you may simply delete it without any further contempation


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 20, 2019, 10:14:06 PM
Well, one thing that I can say about the Beginners and Help section. It seems a lot more palatable to read than it was the last time I checked it. The last time I checked it is when people were demoted to newbie because they didn't have even 1 merit. It was filled with people basically begging for merit. I'm not certain if the reason it is actually worth reading now is because the mod(s) for that job have done a good job keeping it clean or if I just picked a wrong time to start reading it in the past.

Again...newbie or not a valid question was asked and deleted. This not a mistake it's an incompetent Mod.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: bones261 on June 20, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
Well, one thing that I can say about the Beginners and Help section. It seems a lot more palatable to read than it was the last time I checked it. The last time I checked it is when people were demoted to newbie because they didn't have even 1 merit. It was filled with people basically begging for merit. I'm not certain if the reason it is actually worth reading now is because the mod(s) for that job have done a good job keeping it clean or if I just picked a wrong time to start reading it in the past.

Again...newbie or not a valid question was asked and deleted. This not a mistake it's an incompetent Mod.

Well, I think the mod that moved the topic to mining was trying to be helpful and move the topic to where the newbie could get expert answers. Unfortunately, the mining board has rules, and this thread broke one of them.

6. All virtual mining - such as cloud mining, purchasing hashrate etc. is a service and NOT bitcoin mining. Discussion regarding cloud mining, contracts, hosting services, renting hashrate etc. belong in the economic services subforum and not the mining subsection.



Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 20, 2019, 10:44:01 PM
Well, one thing that I can say about the Beginners and Help section. It seems a lot more palatable to read than it was the last time I checked it. The last time I checked it is when people were demoted to newbie because they didn't have even 1 merit. It was filled with people basically begging for merit. I'm not certain if the reason it is actually worth reading now is because the mod(s) for that job have done a good job keeping it clean or if I just picked a wrong time to start reading it in the past.

Again...newbie or not a valid question was asked and deleted. This not a mistake it's an incompetent Mod.

Well, I think the mod that moved the topic to mining was trying to be helpful and move the topic to where the newbie could get expert answers. Unfortunately, the mining board has rules, and this thread broke one of them.

6. All virtual mining - such as cloud mining, purchasing hashrate etc. is a service and NOT bitcoin mining. Discussion regarding cloud mining, contracts, hosting services, renting hashrate etc. belong in the economic services subforum and not the mining subsection.



Touche. you might be right. A Mod should look at all available information 5though


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: bones261 on June 20, 2019, 10:48:52 PM

Touche. you might be right. A Mod should look at all available information 5though

Well, let's hope the mods of the Beginners and Help section read this thread and make a mental note not to move threads to the mining subforum unless they are certain the hardass mining mods are not going to toss it into the trashcan for breaking the rules.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 20, 2019, 10:50:28 PM

Touche. you might be right. A Mod should look at all available information 5though

Well, let's hope the mods of the Beginners and Help section read this thread and make a mental note not to move threads to the mining subforum unless they are certain the hardass mining mods are not going to toss it into the trashcan for breaking the rules.
Agreed


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: pugman on June 20, 2019, 11:44:26 PM
Well, one thing that I can say about the Beginners and Help section. It seems a lot more palatable to read than it was the last time I checked it. The last time I checked it is when people were demoted to newbie because they didn't have even 1 merit. It was filled with people basically begging for merit. I'm not certain if the reason it is actually worth reading now is because the mod(s) for that job have done a good job keeping it clean or if I just picked a wrong time to start reading it in the past.

Again...newbie or not a valid question was asked and deleted. This not a mistake it's an incompetent Mod.

Well, I think the mod that moved the topic to mining was trying to be helpful and move the topic to where the newbie could get expert answers. Unfortunately, the mining board has rules, and this thread broke one of them.

6. All virtual mining - such as cloud mining, purchasing hashrate etc. is a service and NOT bitcoin mining. Discussion regarding cloud mining, contracts, hosting services, renting hashrate etc. belong in the economic services subforum and not the mining subsection.


If this is truly the case,I don't see why is there a need to delete the thread instead of moving to the relevant section. Its not like moving a thread is much more modwork, then deleting one. The hate for the mods in the mining section is growing, they are strict, I get it, but for the wrong board.

Have them mod the bitcoin discussion board, or off-topic board and then see how the clusterfuck of spam posts goes down.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 21, 2019, 07:09:59 AM
This is Awesome!!!

Lots of you responding,I'm very grateful for your support.
Absolutely thinking the same like most of you,that deleting the thread was a weird move to say the least.
I was totally surprised when I did not found my original thread also a bit bummed because of it.
Cause I was very careful to not violate any rules
I was even had a tough when the thread moved to the mining section :
-fuck this is weird-
But then my next thought was:
-Nevermind,probably a mod moved there,for sure they know what they are doing-

Let's just say for now,that as humans,we are all doing mistakes:)
I would not assume,there is a wested interest somewhere to delete such a thread like mine was:)
Which is going to be a quite informative one about the issue of cloud mining,thanks for all the participants.

I really hope we won't get deleted from here now on,as I follow all the rules of the forum,and probably the placement of this thread is ok.

Something else.
I was reading threads on this forums,around a year or a bit more.
When I had the idea to invest into this cloud mining company
Of course checked this forum too about reviews or scam accusations about my company,and for me it was not that easy to even find the topic of cloud mining.
Maybe it's just me.

Now,where would I restart my original thread?What would be the most fitting place for it in your opinion?


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Steamtyme on June 21, 2019, 07:15:57 AM
Honestly I think your original thread was fine in Beginners and help. You were after all just asking where you could find a profitability calculator, the rest was just situational. It might come down to the phrasing of the title as most people seemed to center in on the cloud mining aspect which was really secondary. Another good place for a post would be in a Service Discussion thread about the company you bought your contract from, I didn't notice if it was mentioned in the archive or not.

Once you start to look for advice on what cloud mining companies to go with it definitely belongs on the  Service Discussion board.

In regards to your thread, it shouldn't have been deleted. Locked could have worked as the questions where answered. I'm surprised it was deleted because usually if there are a bunch of replies and conversation the thread stays active, even if it gets moved.


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 21, 2019, 07:56:02 AM
As a consequence to all of your suggestions.
I just opened a thread under the name of:
Cloud mining questions II
Please take a look:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156844.0


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 21, 2019, 08:26:50 AM
Appearantly I need to move the new thread to somewhere else.
This is an advice from the mod in the service thread
Will keep you posted


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Steamtyme on June 21, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
Unless you received a PM I'm unaware of - That was just a Legendary member giving you some advice. It's one of the places I posted your topic would be better suited it's the Service Discussion Board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0)
You can move it yourself by going to the bottom left of the page on that thread and selecting "move topic"


Title: Re: I can't find my thread
Post by: Zoltan Almighty on June 21, 2019, 08:44:48 AM
Got it!Will do it:)