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All the bitcoin whales who are artificially inflating the bitcoin prices (of course it is happening, what kind of naive fool are you to think otherwise?), what's your plan for the top prices we will see on this wave?

We jumped from $4000 to $12000 pretty damn quickly and easily this market cycle, it took 6+ months to do this in 2017.  And we are not yet seeing local tv news stories about bitcoin prices, things that would get the general publics' interest and cause un-coin-educated fools to mortgage their houses and buy in at ATH prices like last time.

So I think we will be looking at price tops in the $30-$50 K range over the next 6-8 months.  And since alt coins tended to trail BTC to their ATH prices in the last market cycle by a month or so, and I am invested in alts, I am hoping for some huge price gains.

To those of you who are making / manipulating the current market prices - Ethereum, Litecoin, Stellar, Tron, Cardano, XRP, and EOS.  Those are the coins that I need to see HHHUUUGGGEEE price increases in to make a sizable profit.  I'm looking for at least a 15X gain in each one, please.  If each one gets pumped and dumped one at a time, that's okay, just PM me here and let me in on the plans so I can make maximum profits.

Nobody can exactly tell you whats happening behind the scene but current massive everyday pump on price seems artificial. On the other hand, few big hedge funds might be funneling billions of dollar in cryptomarket which might create another bubble like last time followed by FOMO among other normal investor.

Like me many might suggest to keep half of your fund in fiat to not miss out buying opportunity when there will be correction which is quite likely.

Manipulation is allow in every market and Bitcoin being manipulated by the market makers is normal thing. What we just needs to do is be in the same directions the market is facing and what the market maker are doing in other to be able to make profits. In 2017, when I came into this market it was like someone is taking advantage of the ignorant of other traders and lack of big capital to enrich themselves but I late find out that the only way to make it big is to find out the activities of the whales of market makes to do what they are doing in the long run.

If the big whales have group up and they decide to manipulate the price of bitcoin then it will be possible but if they are not in group then there is a very little chance that they can manipulate the bitcoin price.

Other currencies are following the price increase of bitcoin so maybe in the following months if the price will continue to increase then we can say like we can gain x10 profit from our investment.

If there was manipulation fine, but I don't think that the price increase is hitting the market quite soon. Price has been down and quite due for a turn around. This like a year & six months we last experienced something as this.

Whales can’t manipulate everything, they are just also riding the hype and since the hype is on bitcoin they are investing more on that, but we can expect that altcoins will pump also just wait for the whales to do that. Price manipulation is happening, and we can’t stop or fight that trend its better to ride than to go on another way.

Everyone never expects for a big jump these days and some of us think of market manipulation which I don't think that causes the huge pump.
I think that whales haven't come back again nor they play games again. Cause I'm thinking that this damn pumps is due to high market demand and not because someone does magic in the market. It is normal to see like this, only it happens that we are surprised.

We cant really able to point it out yet we wont know if theres no manipulation behind of these price increase or rally on the current market.
Good thing here is that we would able to utilize these price movements for the purpose of profitability.We know on bitcoins long term potential
but you shouldnt be surprise if the price would go to the opposite direction anytime.

Well, I've always said to the people complaining about this inflation that it works both ways. I certainly don't recall people complaining about whales and manipulators in the last bull run, so it does help explain the lack of whining in this current period as well (unless you're a nocoiner).

But if it's true it works both ways, then remove them from the whole formula and you remove them from both sides of the equation... ending up more or less at parity.

These üneducated fools you talk about also come in cycles. both at the peak and at the bottom. Those who mortgage their homes to buy at ATH, and subsequently cut their losses near the bottom. Whales benefit the most, but so do the average guys who actually know to hold.

What do the market makers have in mind, you ask? Why not pose the question to the market takers?

Now regarding alts... 15x from which point? Their 2019 bottom?

You sound so desperate here mate. Your altcoins will have its turn. Why don't you just relax and be happy that BTC is making a good run. I'm sure you would rather have that scenario rather than BTC dumping to $3K again.

Are you kidding? What kind of 15x gain do you mean, do you really believe those coins will get so much pump? And who do you think manipulates price? Is that person here and will PM you? Btw the part which I put in bold is sad truth, when people see price rises, they do silly movements and there were really some people on reddit who sold house and bought all money in bitcoin when price was 20K, that's insane and sad fact at the same time because some people use their stories to create bad imaginary around bitcoin and make it look bad. Whether current price is manipulated or not, I think it's good in overall for community and one argument against your opinion is that there is very positive feeling among people, so this current rise doesn't need any manipulation.

Very well-said. I hope those people who are buying bitcoin right now are not driven by some rumours but they really believe the capability of bitcoin. Long-time crypto users who really believed on bitcoin are now satisfied what is happening in the btc market. Some people will say - "I told you so". I think we are heading in a very good direction in the coming months. And will have more adoption to follow because of this market performance.

Seem very unusual to see the spike this sharp but I have to see the reason why. People are starting to feel the FOMO after the news about Facebook's libra. Its all manipulated as what it seem but this ain't just the work of the traders here but several people outside bitcointalk are trying to accumulate as much BTC in preparation. If it's going to be dumped soon, it will be put into the altcoins, check it because once BTC dips a bit, the marketcap doesn't change but the altcoins are rising.

You have to remember that we have suffered a long bear market. Obviously, investors are just waiting for the right time to pour their money again. So in April we have a influx of money coming from some entity that started all this bullish sign. If there is manipulation then obviously lots of people have taken the bait. But seems everyone is enjoying it and making money so I guess it's a win-win. Plus there are a lot of positive news as well, so I don't know if manipulation is the real cause of the massive pump you describe or investors are buying the news.

Just enjoy what we have now.  and fast growing of bitcoin price is so amazing again the bull run is coming, 6 to 8 months starting now Bitcoin 30,000$ to 50,000$ pice prediction isn't possible it's depends on the market demands or its depends on the mass adoption of new investors. So don't miss the opportunity before too late buy bitcoin now.

Disregarding whales activity, you should understand how volatility in crypto works.

You overthink too much because maybe you are disappointed on how your hold altcoins are performing right now or suffered a big loss right now.

You are in desperation. I suggest to calm down a bit. You can't think of a good strategy if you are acting like that.

It's already $13,700. So yeah, I would really think market manipulation by whales is existing and happening now. Most of the margin traders are being liquidates and did not expect the continuous bull run. The market is overbought and exhausted. I did not see this coming actually. Anyway, long term investors are now celebrating for sure.

Like OP, I've also noticed that while bitcoin is at bull run, some altcoins are still in red. We are all expecting them to be at green, too right?

My plan is to buy as much ETH and LTC as possible when the price of the BTC is adjusted when it gets too high. I believe that the value of ETH will increase to $ 450 soon in Q3.
I think that when the value of the BTC has been manipulated up to $ 15k, the whales will start selling their BTC and buying other big ones like Bitcoin cash, ETH, LTC and then again manipulating prices Its higher.
all have been planned and I can predict it. The same thing happened in 2017.

Too many people nowadays use manipulation as a way to explain their own bad trading performance, but the truth is that really doesn't matter much in the end you shouldn't worry about any manipulation too much at all.

Things will continue to happen as they have, and overleveraged traders will continue to get shaken out and liquidated. As for altcoins, they'll start to rise soon. ETH has already broken over $300 and is continuing up.

We don't know if the bitcoin price has been manipulated or not but the truth, bitcoin price now has to increase higher and many people were happy to see this. They can sell their bitcoin right now, and I am sure some of them has already made much money from bitcoin, and they still recover their losses until now. This situation is almost the same as what we saw in 2017-2018 ago, and the price has risen higher in a short time, and at that time, people are selling their bitcoin.

Is the current manipulation not in your favor already, and aren’t you tired of waiting for so long without hope of getting your investment back anytime soon? If the whales like, let them manipulate the market till it gets to $30k, so long I don’t get caught up again, when they strike with their dumping which I believe that most investors are quite wise now, not to allow themselves to be beaten twice again.

I think it is even risky to let the whales know that we are aware of their manipulation, because this could make them strike earlier than they plan which will happen suddenly and we could find it difficult to quickly sell when they start, better we play along now too and see whatever they are doing as the one that will be in our favor, one thing people just need to be very careful of now is buying so much at this time.

Without news telling what could be the reason of this sudden growth in just a short amount of time. We can say that it is being manipulated and price manipulation is nothing new in every aspect of businesses but with this price growing in just a short amount of time you are still complaining? We should be lucky and thankful that Bitcoin finally reached the five-figure price cause this is surely a sign of bull run.

you are also talking like that whales too. whales are selfish and you too are being selfish here.

If you see this is an whale manipulation then try to act like a whale buy at the bottom and sell the top which is the only way to dilute the funds from whales or we are going to give enough power to them to manipulate and the cycle will keep rotating.

Now we had a cirrection followed by slight increase which is good for now.

I can not cont the number of times I hear about the secret whales who control everything. But you know what I have never seen? Not one damn time since 2010? any evidence of any kind. Don't be a stooge and fall for FUD.

Well this is somthing that is going to happen a lot and there is no way to avoid it, there are not just whales who are doing this, this might be a normal and obvious thing a lot of people have put money into bitcoin when it was 3k and it stayed that way for a long time without moving and they have waited for the moment where they can get some profit so as soon as they say it starting to slow down in the 12k range they started cashing out.

Well Bitcoin price has had a kind of parabolic graph which has striking similarities with what the price graph looked like back in December 2017 when it was the boom. So it was predicted that there is going to be a huge rise and since Bitcoin has crossed its restriction value, it is all free to rise high. Another factor that might be responsible for the rise could be high speculation in the coin.

Most of all are not here to play, we are here for serious business, to tap from the many opportunities this current blockchain technology has brought on the table, and sometimes, we all could be selfish or do things that will be in our favor. If you ask anyone in the forum now of the coin you should invest in,they will first of all out of selfishness shill the one they want pumped first because of their personal investment in it.

If you hear any celebrity talk about a coin, they do so too out of selfishness in other to pump that particular coin because of their interest in it, same as whales, they use money to manipulate the market, so which ever strategy we all have to make money from this opportunity, we can all display it, and if we don’t have any, we can tap from the ones other have establish, as whales moved the market from $4k to $12k, has it not favored another investor that is not whale?

Of course, whenever whales are entering the market, there is no specific time for the sudden price increase. Even technical analysis can't figure out the entrance of the manipulation of whales. They can play the market easily. We can't deny the fact that bitcoin touches the highest peak this year at $13k fast. See the correction is happening now. Expect another huge bull run.

There is some level of manipulation like in any other market but I really do not think we are going to reach those levels so soon and the reason is that even if some whales decided to try to inflate the price of bitcoin there will be other whales that will see what it is happening and will begin to sell their coins at those inflated prices and eventually those trying to inflate the price will have to stop their manipulation of the value of bitcoin, however I agree that the current increase in the price has not attracted the same level of attention as before and this could explain why alts are not doing as well as they did in other bull runs.

There is fact that we should always know that manipulation by whales, exchange and institutions determines the price.

There is no such a thing as reading the manipulator's mind because there next to no manipulation. What people here consider manipulation is just Bitcoin going through a 30-40% correction.

Some times these corrections take a few days to play out, and some times it can take weeks or months. It all comes down to how active the market is. This is what Bitcoin has been doing for years now. People shouldn't be so sensitive.

The current correction from $14k to below $10k played out fast because we had fast upwards movements prior it. Anyone heard about the saying what goes up hard comes down hard?

You want an example of something that could be seen as an actual attempt to manipulate the market? It's Bakkt saying they will launch at a certain specific date while they know it's not going to happen, then announce they will delay their launch.

Well you cannot deny the influence of whales over the market. They play big games we do not understand and actually it is they who make the situation favorable for investment and we follow to out in our money. They acts like catalysts to trigger the process. So yeah, I think there is huge involvement of whales in the market and another force called speculation intensifies the market rise.

Yeah, without the news, of course what the whales is doing with their capital will be in vain because the huge number of users will be difficult to manipulate with just use their capital.
actually I don't really care about price manipulation or not. as long as I can take advantage of the price increase for my benefit, then I will be grateful

How will you describe bringing bitcoin at a lower price for sale on exchange? We have seen series of these, by whales and exchanges, this  at every occasion cause a huge dump in price.

Well I prefer to work along with whales, because there are some levels the whales will dump the price to that it will be difficult for the few bulls to maintain the price again, thereby crashing the project completely, it is only bitcoin that I have seen whales not been able to destroy its system despite all their several actions on it, which is why it is still the most reliable coin to invest in.

once I see that a whale has pumped a coin, I don’t wait for them to dump before I take my action, this is why I love whales pump sometimes, it makes me have lots of profit, they pump, I sell my part, and then buy back at very low price when they dump. This has been the practice for me and it has worked greatly in making so much profit, especially on some coins that has eventually turned to shit coin now.