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Hey guys

First post here. I just wanted to upload a video of a recent game I had on bitcasino.io showing that I played around 700 spins and got a bonus twice only with wins not exceeding 40x. This happens to me on all their games even when betting 100 EURO per spin. Is this normal? Should one lose 200,000 EURO on a site before you actually get paid something?

I understand this is normal in some cases but I have lost around 200,000 EURO on bitcasino in just 3 months. I haven't won a single jackpot even when playing 100 EURO bets. I have had one losing session of 38,000 EURO on reactoonz betting 100 EURO in just a few minutes. Another session I lost 60k EURO on a single game.

They keep telling me their games are regulated and everything about the plays are 100% normal and legit. The video I have here is a video of me playing Jamming jars on a 0.40 EURO bet. Please understand that I only made this video to show how insanely low the win ratio is on this site and how many spins are required to hit a bonus on one of their games. If I was playing my normal bet of around 40 EURO on this game, I would have lost tens of thousands of EUROs on this session and would have gotten 2 bonuses that paid 10x maximum.

Yesterday I was playing sweet bonanza and was betting around 20 EURO per spin with the extra 25 credits or whatever to increase the chance of getting a bonus. As usual I lost the entire balance and couldn't afford to bet 20 EURO anymore. As soon as I lowered my bet to about 0.05 EURO per spin, I got the free spins immediately after losing the balance. I then bought 7 or 8 bonuses at 600 EURO per bonus. Won nothing on all the bonuses. Lost another 0.5 btc due to that.

I'm losing on average 15,000 EURO a week on this site. I keep depositing hoping that one of the games might pay me. It is now clear they wont.

Here is my deposit history:

https://i.imgur.com/kv2hXfS.jpg

Over 700k EURO deposits. Just this month I've lost over 40k EURO on the site. I never win anything and when I do its like a 50x or 70x win. Have a look at the video (Its 1 hour long but you can skip to see what I mean) and decide if you believe that their slots are actually set to 90+% RTP or not.

I will be fair and say that they have extremely fast withdrawals and deposits and I have received decent cash back bonuses. But that doesn't make up for the fact that they don't pay jackpots or big wins and I'm positive that other "high rollers" have the exact same problem as me. No one can be this unlucky.

This is just a warning to other players. Don't think of depositing 100k EURO and betting big on their slots. You will lose that deposit and much more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_4rvMFkNTo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_4rvMFkNTo)

That's how gambling works bro where you would be luck and unlucky on a particular day and come to think that there would always be a House edge.

So youre saying that they are doing shady stuff? I don't think so.

Ouch that's a big loss. I don't know the site but do they have a provable fair section so you can validate the spins?? I would first check that out if I was you. But playing big on the site won't say you also win big. Maybe you just had some bad luck.

Maybe you can search for some other topics about them on this forum to find some more info.

Okay take this for an example. I buy 6 x 600 EURO bonuses on sweet bonanza, I get 9 dead spins on 4 out of the 6 games. I lose my entire 5000 EURO balance. How does that not sound shady? Not a single decent win on 6 bonus buys for 600 EURO? When I purchase a 750 EURO bonus on wolf legend megaways I win 11 EURO back on 18 spins lol.

Could have been some really grim luck on your side resulting into such great loss. If you are getting something off of your ventures even though you always end up losing more, I think the problem is not with bitcasino.io but on your end because you have no control over your spending. Then again, this is your money we're talking about, so spend as you please. For the record, I have watched 15 minutes of the video and have not found something anything out of the ordinary.

Just to be clear I am not coming into bitcasino.io's defense in stating what I saw based on your video. We all have some bad streaks, with others being the extremely unlucky ones. If you're really sure that they are, in some way, trying to rob you off of your money, put up a post in Scam Accusation and explain your side on there.


Then take the session/game hash, see whether there's an anomaly off of the readings.

You should ask for a rakeback since you lost that much... There needs to be one.

They're pretty legit in my eyes, used a deposit code and won 800 euro, withdrawed and it worked but thats nothing in comparison what you played with.

I once lost 20k on a roulette site, asked for a rakeback and got 5k back so... :-X Try it atleast

....and maybe stop depositing on that site and try to enjoy gamble again, don't gamble with the imagination of getting your lost money back, have fun gambling that should be the main reason you do it.

For math, play on casino, with infinite time, is loss at 100%
I explane

Roulette
36 numbers + 0 = 37 numbers
If you win, you win x36

Because is house fee.

If you play for infinite years, with fixed budget, you lost all.

I will take a look at them. Thanks for the info.


Yeah I agree with you they are legit because they have paid my 10 to 20 BTC withdrawals almost instantly after requesting. I've never had an issue with withdrawing funds. But I mean they would give me a 2 BTC rakeback and then it would be impossible for me to win anything on the site with the rakeback. When I play blackjack(not the live version) I lose 20 - 30 hands one after the other and they still state its "provably fair". House edge is very low on blackjack, its practically impossible to lose so many hands after each other in a live casino. I play a lot at live casino's. I've never lost 60k EURO in 30 minutes in a live casino playing 100 EURO bets on even their most volatile slots. So I don't know. It honestly feels like they have set my account to not get paid on anything haha. Every single deposit I've made the past 3 months I've lost. So I honestly don't know whats the deal.

OP, let me first of all say that I am sorry for your losses. Sadly you clearly have a severe gambling addiction, the sums of money you’ve been playing with are no joke. It saddens me to read that somebody could get so deep & obsessed with gambling. What I’d suggest is you find help & I’m being serious, you need to stop gambling all together. There are organisations for gamblers that can help you. You need to stop gambling altogether before it ruins you mentally & financially.

I do have to comment and say that gambling should be fun, it should be a hobby. You can’t blame a casino or sports-book for your losses. There is no guarantee to win, you gave to accept that. It’s the way it goes a lot unfortunately, you never see a poor casino. There is usually only one winner & it’s not us, the punters.

Bitcasino are provably fair so there’s nothing you can do. You just have to stop gambling now, before it fucking ruins you. Get help, seriously. All forms of addiction are crippling but you can do it, I promise.

Good luck my friend.
:)

Thanks for the advice. I don't want to sound like an asshole but I am playing for fun and obviously trying to hit a jackpot just to win some of the losses back. I have a large mining farm and I'm generating a good amount of btc per week. But 90% of it gets dumped into bitcasino because I feel that my luck should change every week haha. It never does. Every deposit is lost. That doesn't sound provably fair. 200+ deposits all gone. They should pay something if their slots are set to 90+% RTP.

Just dont drive the  "im getting my losses back this time" road bro and you'll be good.

Just be wise and think about investing in your future and not into slots...

I’m glad to hear that you’re really wealthy, I was feeling sad for you thinking you’d fucked your future.

Unbelievable 200k Euro :'(  can buy a house with such a large amount. May be you can try some lottery games & I just got my free bet's credit. See Im lucky enough to win the lottery jackpot with those free credits  ;)

I would feel the same and just like what dotthebeats said where take the session/gamehash.If you do have some doubts but please don't waste up your precious btc's.lol
Reading up above that youre wealthy and spending thousands of euro on weekly basis.Im not saying Bitcasino is shady but why not to try on other websites like FJ? Bitdice?

not a slots fan personally and I don't trust all slots providers to be honest
maybe you are just unlucky and maybe there is something wrong , personally can't tell but I can tell you that this can happen with any site that's using the same provider
jammin jars isn't created by bitcasino and as I understood casinos can't change the results that comes from the slots providers , they may  not pay you if you win tho but they can't change the results

This is a blatant lie! I have letter from Curacao Public Prosecutor that online games of chance are not regulated.

Did they check your identity at one point?

Game Protect assists enforcing losses to bitcasino.io because they took it illegal and in breach of applicable AML and KYC laws.

Wow, that line hurt  :'(

Players need to stop using Bitcoin on websites without provably fair games. Any website using licensed slot machines (which obviously don't and can't use provably fair technology) should be viewed as grossly negligent by the Bitcoin community and shunned away in my opinion.

There are many websites out there that offer Bitcoin provably fair slot machines. I'd start with that and give your business to those websites that deserve it.

Sorry but I can hardly believe there would be someone who spent 200.000 on gambling and then casually posts in a forum like he has lost a pen.
But in case this is your real story, then you got to visit a doctor, you're seriously addicted.

I think it's not the OPs money but maybe it is his total winning at least he got 200,000 in overall of his gambling career. But seriously OP is really addicted to gambling he needs to control himself from playing. As we can see his previous earning i think it took almost a month to gain such 200,000 EURO amount yet he just lost it.

He is rich and he is mad he didnt get the jackpot, so now he vents.  I would be mad also but would have took a different way to approach it.



OP said he is playing for fun, I wish I had such wealth as you

     I am not certain that if a game is provable fair, that bitcasino can somehow manipulate the outcomes for you to lose. They must have their slots set up to payout the bigger jackpots very rarely. Also, 30 hands in a row in blackjack does seem rather irregular. However, it is not unheard of. You can expect that about 1 in 65 million times. (Assuming a 55% lose rate in blackjack) 200K euros is a lot of money. It is even a lot of money if you are a billionaire.
    @OP, I would not recommend that you chase your losses at bitcasino any longer. You may want to try a different venue, since clearly luck is not on your side at bitcasino.

Edit: It appears that you are expected to lose 52% of the hands that do not tie with blackjack, not 55%. So losing 30 hands in a row is actually more than one in 331 million. That is really unlucky.

This is similar to what I just said earlier. Some casinos have what is a fake version of provably fair which I personally think of as complete fraud. The Bitcoin community needs to rally against these casinos. They claim a random spin is chosen of a few spins, of which that is provably fair. But they can choose what those initial spins are in theory in the first place to my knowledge and no one would be any the wiser (anyone feel free to falsify my claim as I am not an expert in licensed scammy casino products).

Let this simply be a lesson to everyone. Use completely provably fair technology. There are many fantastic operators out there offering stellar products. And many fake operators here on the board that do not. Call out the fake operators on their shenanigans and deposit your money at the casinos that do use the better technology.

As bones said, it sucks, but I think you really have to just move on and learn a lesson and hope other people learn from it as well.

What a huge lose dude you are addicted to this gambling site but sorry for your lose this ia normal in any gambling site luck and strategy is important to win in online casino alway remember that house edge higher so your chance to win is small its better to play only on trusted gambling site.

OP, if you gamble on 10 different fair gambling site you will end up losing your money because you seems not to know or understand the basic rules every gamblers must follow in other to be profitable. However, your statement also proof you to be gambling to recover losses and you continue to gamble on a site you notice to be shady is something I don't believe.

so sick man

however, you'll never get unstuck if you quit now

when i used to play poker, i could never win on full tilt, so i took my action to pokerstars, party poker, 888 and winamax where I actually had a fair shot with their RNG, and got my money back with some profit

at the casino, there are just some blackjack dealers i cant win against, so i move tables to switch the luck

when i'm running bad in the crypto slots, i like to do the same and jump around between the options. i dont gamble nearly the amounts you do, but i've had some good luck and experiences with the provably fair slots at bitvest, crypto-games and more recently mintdice.

luck should work both ways and you don't need to lose every time in a fair system. gambling should be something fun that you can trust

As far as I know, provably fair games cant be manipulated, sounds like he just has some bad luck

https://i.imgur.com/z7YmzyY.png

Thanks for all the responses. I would just like to say that I do not have a gambling problem. I just can't see how one person can deposit 700k EURO in 4 months and not win a single jackpot when I'm continuously playing max bet. There are thousands of videos on the net of people winning 20k EURO+ on 2 dollar bets. I bet 100 EURO for 500 spins and win maximums of 20x in bonus games or nothing at all. Does this make sense to anyone? I keep depositing because I'm hoping to actually get lucky once.

I am playing high bets every single day on bitcasino and I never manage to win anything. I think I won 5000 EURO on a 40 euro bet this month on reactoonz after loosing 10k euro. So 50% of my cash back. I buy huge bonuses all the time like 3 x 1 BTC (14,000 USD at the time per btc) bonus buys on some of the highest RTP slots and I just get dead spins and no wins.

I simply feel that I'm being taking advantage of because I'm a "High roller" as they call me on bitcasino. My VIP points were at 20 million for 10 days before I asked them to remove my loyalty program because the bonuses were terrible. You lose 30k EURO and you get 10 free spins on one of their slots. Its a joke really.

Here are a few of the bonuses I've gotten on max bets: https://imgur.com/a/x62Kcce

Look how many high bet free spins pay 0. How is that in any way fair?

I'm betting 200 EURO, get 24 free spins and win 10% of my initial bet back. This game only gives 8 free spins when its triggered. So I re triggered the bonus twice within the bonus. Still only a 30 EURO win.

I am convinced that something is wrong on my account and that I am destined to lose on this site. Taking from me to pay everyone else is what it feels like.

One of my BTC addresses: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3422VtS7UtCvXYxoXMVp6eZupR252z85oC
One transaction ID to Bitcasino for 2 BTC: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/27b4e5a84fadde597223b02073cbf43abb3694487adc465df6aab54e35263c97
Image confirming the deposit on bitcasino: https://imgur.com/a/tEuklcX

Another deposit of 4 BTC: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/98e15e89c50cd4e3a8a3956b6deaffa91f2cbac49d432e0e4fd7295d046e1617
2.5 BTC: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/27df80c10142a12d9a2ed523cb7f8dab6d360a0e56b42afc14f17b7833c6cf56
3.6 BTC: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7834fd03ef3163d02af837af3264eb53723960f4a90bf7a06bdc227378f016a6

I can assure you that the figures are real. You can verify them by looking at the first image on my original post. All deposits are listed there.

 :o :o sometime after losing so many time really wanting to win it back and hope to strike a big win. But most of the time it is very difficult to win it back.

Damn. I think that this is the first time I am noticing a high roller post about his/her losses in such a simple manner in this forum. That is big money for many people including me and you have nerves of steel to wager that kind of money(If true).

However, why in the world would you choose slots where the house edge is much higher when compared to a game like Blackjack or Baccarat? Weird.

That's a lot of money spent on gambling and I'm even more amazed that you are only doing it for fun  :D
I don't know if you have that "never give up" mentality but I don't think that really works on gambling.


Seriously, you can limit it to 50% instead of throwing 90% of your mined btc.

I played on Bitcasino.io and I told myself never more. I didn't play with that huge amount I am not that rich but I have seen that they are not that fair casino. Support is so rough and they do not respect players and yeah they do not know what wager is lol. I remember they told me I need to lose my coins to get a bonus. Games start to crash when you start winning and you have to reload the page. I do not trust this casino. I am sorry for your losses that is not a small amount.

Every casino have house fee, is normal.
If you play for fun, fix max for week. Example 100bucks.
If you play for become rich, please.. not play anymore

I don't know if I ever risk some money like that. That's a big loss and recovering it would also mean risking more. Anyways, that's how gambling works, risking something in hope for luck to favor us and win.

You should check what's the house edge on those slots, I wouldn't be surprised if it 10%. Also check or ask them what's the probability to win the jackpot.
And on your place I would quit, you will lose a lot more before you will win (if you win) the jackpot and still you'll be in huge red numbers...

lol that too high but slots are such a hard game to win  . i remeber i was playing slots before but i didnt win any prize  .  there were low house edge sites but the chance of you loosing is still there  .


idk if this is appropriate to ask or if you will get a response from them  because its already been laid out on the casino before you play  .

its okay to loose more before you win but as long as you won more than you loose .

You have a gambling problem if you think you have to win, that's a common misconception of gambling addicts. Oh there is no way to get 30 reds in a row, I'll bet on black now because 31 reds in a row is certainly not possible, well it is, welcome to math and statistics.

Have you calculated your odds of winning one of those jackpots? Is it 1 in 1000, 1 in 1 million, what is it exactly? Even if it was 1 in 1000, you could still lose more than 1000 bets and not get a single jackpot, you could in fact lose 10k bets, 100k bets, etc.

OP, stop chasing jackpots. You’re already independently wealthy, you don’t need to gamble with such huge amounts chasing jackpots. If you really have to gamble & with such large stakes go & play poker in Vegas. You’ve probably got a much higher chance of winning lots. Speak to micgoossens, he’s a good poker player. He might be able to point you in the right direction of where to play etc.

I know a lot of online casinos are provably fair but also if you like to play roulette a lot do it in a physical casino not an online one.

I always feel you have a higher % of coming out with profit in a physical casino rather than an online one when playing roulette or card games.

Maybe he do love to pull off some slot machine levers or roll buttons  ;D Its his money after all and majority doesn't have that kind of nerve to bet that big.

Imagine those amounts where it can be used into other things like buying a house or car but this man do just use this coins for gambling and imagine 90% of it goes to said casino.

Slots have high house edge so I'm not surprised why he lose up big time without hitting any jackpot.It do matter with luck in the first place.

Not sure about this way you promoted your own site (it's funny when you advertized your own site on other thread which op complained about other gambling site).
Where is your ANN thread anyway?

Edit : found it already, really, your ann thread is very poorly designed

You should never play casino games with an expectation going in that you will come out with your money. The house has an edge. So just try and get some enjoyment out of playing and if you don't get any then don't play them.

This 100%. Agree with everything.

I think the Casinos

Sportsbet.io and Bitcasino.io are 2 huge scams i also play here since years high roller and loose a lot of money just loose looose looose


I change my mind someday and deposit into bitstarz and there i win lot of more money


I never win at sportsbet. Io more than 2k


And play with bet like 100$


This is 100% rigged i would love to catch this in the law

Submit your loss to Game Protect.

We assist the enforcement of illegally and in breach of AML and KYC laws taken losses.

Did anyone was really curious the same as me?

With that a huge of an amount, why you don't go vacation at vegas then gambling at there you always get the best PoF with a real casino. I think if you doing for fun, would be more fun too went you play in real life, not in the front of the computer.

this is new, not every day a newbie loss so much money on gambling. I mean I get it gambling cause addiction and people make stupid decisions at that time but losing so much money because of slots and other gambling games, are you there when your hands where making the bets, Are you trying to cover your mistakes, I do not think in this scenario the casino has anything to blame for.
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they are not even new website so it's not sure if they have any intention of scamming you. all I can say is you made a good profit for that gambling website.

So maybe the OP is heading now to Vegas or Macau.  ;D I wonder what he's real life like without the gambling aspect. Can he live without playing in casino, whether physical or online? Curious here...

If you want to check if you are within the statistic, do the following:

1) Ask Bitcasino for the house edge of the slots you played

2) Calculate the total amount of all your bets

Example: If your total bets are 20 million Euro and the house edge is 3,5%, then you statistically lost 700,000 Euro.

Hard to say how I feel when I read stories like this. On some level, like LFC said, I feel sorry for them because I know gambling addicts myself, and it's always a very complicated situation with emotions and the way the addiction just ruins lives. Not only their lives but those around them.

And then there are of course those whales for whom 100s of bitcoin isn't really something they'd miss, as they've made their money by being early investors. 200k is "only" 20 BTC after all. I'm not saying it's any less serious but there are definitely bitcoin whales out there who'd plop around 20 BTC without blinking because it didn't cost them anything.

When the Fun Stops, Stop. This is the most important rule!

It doesn't work like that, I mean you can check it like that but it only works if you have placed a huge amount of bets. For example if you have 1 in 10.000 chance of winning a bet and you bet 21.000 times, you 'should' expect to win 2 times, however you could have lost all 21k bets and that wouldn't mean you are not within the statistic, you could also win 15 times, it would only work after placing millions of bets.

There are a perfect method to reduce your losses. DO NOT put your eggs in one basket, test more gambling sites and see if you get the same kind of returns from them, like you get from Bitcasino. I also played at Bitcasino for a while, but my win ratio was a lot higher with some other casinos, so I stopped playing there. <They have some VERY good Slots, but they pay very little>  ::)

I do not want to tell you where to gamble, if you want to gamble, because I do not want to encourage your gambling habits... but I would rather enjoy my gambling by doing it with a site with a lower house edge. <The definition of insanity.... doing things over and over and expecting a different outcome.. will not work with Bitcasino.>  :P

Too much hassle and does need some more arrangement when you tend to fly into other countries and yes with that amount of money you can really able to pay up the expense+ the money you would spend into a real casino but well OP do likes to play in front of his PC than going into physical ones.

When choosing up slots if you are really serious on getting some wins then better to choose the low house edge ones but op decide to stay on Bitcasino because of the thinking that he do already spend big amount on that place and hope that the site pay him off for that reputation but it didnt work that way.

Indeed, since the probability always reset whenever you spin.  The chance of winning the next bet isn't accumulating if we lost.  So there is always a possibility that we wont win in a 100 bet even if the chance is 50%.

And, if you (OP) are suspicious about the game, you can always ask the authority to inspect the softaware for you.  I bet you have the money to pay for these inspectors. 


Even with a low house edge, this is not an assurance that a player can win the roll.  Remember  it is still a game of chance and chance favors the house so there is a bigger possibility that player will lose.

Each case is different, if the odds are 1 in 10 and you played 10k bets and never won a single one, then yes, it does look pretty suspicious, could happen but is certainly not likely. I generally don't play if I can't verify my bets, simple as that, online casinos can do all sort of things to cheat even though they really don't need to since you are losing in the long term anyways.

If avoiding those games was that easy for the OP he would not be wasting that much amount gambling, he might be getting a rush wagging that much money in those casino and he might not be caring much about winning big amounts, not sure why the OP has not tried any other reputed casino in the market and try his luck elsewhere rather than loosing this much coins in a single casino   :P.

Signature spammer has not time to read OP?

He already informed that he made thousands of bets!

Yikes, and you are supposed to be an expert in gambling? LOL, what does it matter if he made thousands of bets? He never talked about the odds, what if the odds are 1 in 100.000? ''thousands of bets'' is not even close to enough, get a grip.

Did you just arrive from the moon?

Slots do have a house edge per bet! ::)

There's no doubt bitcasino has a different RTP than some other casinos. Played there for 2+ years and have noticed it a lot compared to other sites.
HOWEVER, they do still pay.
They allow bitcoin deposits.
They have a great variety of providers
And they pay instantly.
those 3 things above are a big deal if you can understand you have a slightly lesser chance of winning here.
We all know game providers give casinos the option to change RTP (it was proven with the Play'N'Go provider a long time ago).
I've had losing streaks last months on sites before. Sites that I think the RTP is higher than bitcasinos...
I think you're just on the wrong end of the RTP (bad luck)

PS: game-protect is out in full force looking for victims to scam, i would stay away

The brain deadness of some bitcointalk accounts is surely limitless!

I offer since 2 years and 8 months 5 BTC for proof of who I scammed and for how much and none of the extremely mentally ill brain wash nonsense shit posters is able to deliver!!! :D

Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1769527.msg17668097#msg17668097)

Please stop embarrasing yourself, what are you talking about, OP is complaining about not winning jackpots, what does the house edge of slots have to do with the chances of winning a jackpot/bonus? You really have no idea about math and gambling do you lol, no wonder you got 100 negative reviews. Please find another job, math is too hard for you.

Bruh...

I think you need professional help. Your gambling addiction is out of control.

Hopefully you have many more money and this lost 200k€ won't create you any troubles, otherwise this is so fucked up.

Guys just another update. I lost another 15k on Jamming jars playing 6 EURO bets. I recorded the gameplay but its over 3 hours long and file size is over . 2500+ Spins and no significant wins. All bonuses paid around 10x the bet max. Got one bonus when I had to drop my bet size to 2 EURO because my balance was depleted and won 200 EURO. Looks like i'm doomed on this site. I cannot win anything. I won't be depositing again.


I was fortunate enough to start mining bitcoin around 5 years ago. So I have a decent amount of btc. I'm not worried about how much I've lost I'm simply posting about my losses to see if others believe its fair to lose so much without winning anything. If others believe its fair to dump so much money and not win a single jackpot playing max bets on almost 80+ slots then I will stop complaining.

You are the only responsible for your money and how you manage them.The fact that you have kept gambling even when you were losing big amounts of money shows how seriously addicted you are to gambling.I think you should get professional help before you lose everything you have.

If this was an experiment, why haven't you wagered 1 sat per game? You could have made your point without losing a house!

It looks like they found a new way to take money from me without paying. When I have a look at my game history after putting on autoplay and leaving the computer, none of the wins are actually credited to my balance.

https://imgur.com/a/A9TecEB

Notice how the balance doesn't increase after a win. Its just blank..

I definitely believe that something shady is going on with your Bitcasino account. Of course
it is possible to have bad losing streaks when playing in a casino, but if your description of your experiences is accurate
I doubt that your results are within the range of possible outcomes at a legit casino.

I also have doubts regarding the integrity of Bitcasino as they advertise a lot
on shady sites (e.g. sites that offer pirated movie streams). Maybe it is just affiliates
of Bitcasino, who advertise on these sites, but it is also possible that Bitcasino itself
is paying for ads at these kind of websites.


Wow, I have been trying to pay back a 9000 € loan for years and have only managed to pay back
a fraction while working a 2nd job and you are casually losing 15000 € per week  ;)
You surely are a successful person!

I wouldn´t stop gambling if you enjoy the activity, but I would definitely not make
another deposit at Bitcasino again. Maybe switch sites or try some gambling
variations like sports betting where you aren´t subject to possibly manipulated
slot games. Or maybe stop gambling altogether and use your BTC for a more
satisfying purpose. You could even sell some of your BTC and invite a few of your loved ones
for a nice dinner or some other treat that you will 100 % enjoy more than
another losing session at Bitcasino.

I wish you the best of luck in staying away from that particular site.

Hi,

Please allow PMs from newbies I have a message for you regarding your situation but cant send it.

Thanks

Hi btmarketmod!

First of all for everyone: I can confirm that btmarketmod is a loyal Bitcasino.io player.

And for you personally, I'm sorry to hear about your unlucky run with us lately! :-\ I can understand your frustration of not hitting big (200x, 500x etc.) from bonus games while having a big bet size per spin. I do hope your luck with bonus games changes! :)

I reached out today to our casino team who knows pretty much everything about our slots and games in general. Also, just in case I had a chat with our responsible gaming team as well.

Technical side of our games
When it comes to our slots RTP, it's defined at a game level and each game's RTP is public information - just need to open the info window on the slot itself. Bitcasino overall RTP depends fully on what games are currently being played as Blackjack and a video slot game have vastly different RTPs.

The chances of winning a jackpot are completely random - it is not possible to give a specific % to it from our side. For example earlier this year Mega Moolah jackpot went out two times within 3 days but on average it has hit once every 4-6 weeks. These jackpot slots are shared between sites that have them.

Finally a note on responsible gaming, I wanted to make you aware of our 24-hour cooling off period that we offer for those that feel time away from our site would be helpful. On those kind of situations you can always mail us at compliance@bitcasino.io :)

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

Hope you did not understand his situation, he is a sad billionaire who wants to make his voice known to the bitcoin community about his exploits in this particular casino and so is the reason he is experimenting with these kind of huge amount of money :D and even the bitcasino support has vouched that he is their loyal funder  ;D .

@bitcasino let him win some so that his ego wont hurt and you will get your funds in the mean time  :P :D.

@OP i am not sure what else to say about your exploits. It is your money and your way of dealing with things is a bit strange for the rest of the normal individuals ;).

I don't really understand what the problem seems to be? Is it something about casino winning more often than the gamblers? Because, if that is the question at hand than that is something casinos publicly claim as well. They never say they are not making profit, in order for these places to make money you need to lose money and that means house edge which is why all gamblers will lose money if they keep playing long enough.

If you are thinking you "lose more often than you should" than that is just gamblers fallacy where you think you should eventually win but with casino having the favorite bet thanks to house edge each bet is individual to its own and would make you lose in minutes. Its sad to see people with this much money do not understand the point of gambling.

I look at the  the screenshot and it seems that there is really some irregularities.  You are right, they are not crediting your win this surely is an act of scamming you.  Any plan about this thing?   Have notified them about this incident?  This will surely ruin Bitcasino reputation.  Anyway, I edited the link of the image so that member can  see the image without going thru the link.

I would say to opening a lawsuit against them?


I can say i really loose like 200K in 3 Years here!!!

I gamble reallife i gamble without bitcoin

I never seen such a bad payout casino like
Bitcasino and his partner sportsbet.io

That is indeed a good idea and Game Protect is already in the process of doing so. ;)

You are a great freedomfighter give me your telegram to talk further about

How can someone literally spent 700 thousand euro in 4 months than open a topic about how he never wins and then thinks he doesn't have a gambling problem. This is a clear troll and he is taking us for a ride. I know we have seen some pictures for proof but I am pretty sure this could be from someone else or something.

I really can't just start to believe that someone who has lost more than 200k in gambling and complains he never wins is thinking he is NOT a gambling addict. That is not possible, people are not that stupid, I mean some people are stupid but when it comes to people with this much money I doubt they are, you gotta be like a billionaire in order to not care about this but if you care enough to open a topic on bitcointalk then I am pretty sure you are either not that rich or this is all a total lie.

Hey all-

Here are the facts-

1- This is a true story already confirmed by Bitcasino.io
2- The developer of the game Jammin' Jars, is https://www.pushgaming.com/about/ with offices in London and Malta
3- Push Gaming holds a UK Remote Software Supplier License and an Alderney Associate Supplier Certificate
4- Jammin' Jars paid out €19,361.80 and £17,174.85 on January 14th and January 28th respectively, both on €1 and £1 spins. https://www.pushgaming.com/blog/big-wins-push-gamings-jammin-jars.html
5- Bitcasino.io has nothing to do with result of the Jackpot and doesn't choose when they hit
6- btmarketmod is a whale with a gambling problem and should probably bet less or quit all together

I can understand how some people see me as having a gambling problem. I honestly don't. While it might seem like a huge amount of money for most people, I'm not selling my belongings or making loans or asking for handouts to make these bets. I'm not putting myself at risk with these bets and deposits. I could play 5x this amount with just one of the btc wallets I have and still be okay. I'm simply posting to see feedback and find out if this is normal to dump such a large amount of funds on the same slots over and over again and not win anything. You don't see me fighting with Bitcasino and calling them scammers and saying I want my money back because I lost everything. I'm posting my results and asking for other peoples opinions so that I can know whether to continue trying with bitcasino or not. I have fun playing the games. Obviously not when I'm losing huge amounts in a few minutes because even though I have a lot of btc it still hurts losing 5,10,15 btc on one game in less than an hour. I just want to know if I'm being taken advantage of or if this is normal.

Bro send me 1 BTC it dont hurt you to make me happy


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I swear i will write full blog article about you and push it!

1- Gambling problem or not, you could have been playing Jammin' Jars at one of the other casinos that offers it and had the same bad results without Jackpot hitting
2- Jammin' Jars won the Best Slot Of The Year 2018 by Casino Grounds https://www.instagram.com/p/BtYMW60hWFS/
3- Look at Push Gaming on Instagram if you want to see how many people have won Jackpots, from this same game that you had horrible luck at https://www.instagram.com/push_gaming/
4- In your country, you are beyond wealthy and can afford the best therapy available.

If someone want to play with this amount of money because he had millions of dollars why you dont let him to have fun?

I would do the same just to try it is very interesting!


@btmarketmod dont give. Fuck

Hi again,

I reached out to our casino team and we had some website update issues on Friday and on this Monday. For some users winnings were added to the balance 1 hour after the actual win. We also checked the account history and confirmed that the winnings were added to the account 1 hour later - no funds are missing so to speak. We've put in a fix and this should not happen anymore :)

I'm sorry for the inconvenience caused!

Cheers,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

For someone who has millions of dollars, you seem quite uneducated when it comes to gambling and odds. We dont know the odds for the jackpots but we can assume they are extremely low, i doubt you made more than 1k bets total and the odds of hitting a jackpot could be 1 in 10k. Anyhow, you are always expected to lose in the long run. Gambling for fun is great but i dont think you are doing that. You might think there is no problem because you have a lot of money but thats not always true. You can be addicted even if you are not risking losing your life savings.

It's also worth pointing out that the game logic in Jammin Jars is kind of rigged and not 'real'.
The fruits aren't randomly placed all over, instead the result is determited as soon as you press start.
More to read here: https://www.bigwinboard.com/jammin-jars-twitch-streamers/ (watch the Youtube video)

I’m beginning to smell a rat or two in this thread. Something doesn’t add up. I’m going to do some deeper investigation into the claims in this thread especially by FreedomHustler. No sane person bets that much & continues to do so on a losing streak.

Yes it is a gambling addiction that make people into broke or really rich. There is only two results that coming from gambling. And with such money people can start on something good that really profitting but because of something like gambling addiction made people going into negative of all times. I hope that he can recover such loss in no time. This is hard to be true to think someone losing this much

But previously, you mentioned that you're using 90% of your mining earnings for gambling.
I mean, that sounds like a really terrible habit. How do you know that you won't start spending more, if you hit a really big losing streak again?

But yeah, you might not have a gambling problem if you can actually afford it and still have enough money set aside.
Just be careful not to let yourself go, I guess...

Do you have all your hand histories?  Might be worth some data analysis although with slots you need not just the RTP but helps to know what variation of the slot and the payouts

Yeah I have requested my hand histories before and bitcasino did provide them. But its over 100,000 bets so I spent like 10 minutes looking at it and gave up.
Yeah 90% of the mining goes into bitcasino. But I have other wallets where I've been holding btc for years. I've stopped using my investments in crypto to continue playing on bitcasino. I'm only using income from the mining to deposit at the moment. I'll deposit another 3 BTC and give it one last go. If I don't hit anything I'm definitely not depositing again. I'll have to walk away.

I understand that you want to find out if this is normal or not, but to check if the software is unbiased would need to know the house edge, the amount of all bets made and how much winnings were paid and this is impossible.

The only thing you can do is to check if you are within the statistic with asking for the house edge and calculate the total amount of bets you made and compare it with your total loss.

Bitcasino.io and sportsbet.io are huge money launderers and they have a history of scamming customers since years!

I can show you proof of several scammed customers.

They lie about being regulated, ignore the right of permanent self-exclusion and used pirated software.

No one sane in his mind can believe that he is treaten fair!

But winning a jackpot or a larger amount does not necessarily mean that you will receive it!

We received several Curacao casino scam reports where player was lucky and won a huge amount, but casino did not process it and claimed was a buck with software or the winning bet did not qualify.

The most prominent case is this Betcoin.ag extort 500 Bitcoins Jackpot winner for “settlement” (https://game-protect.com/betcoin-ag-extort-jackpot-winner/)

Therefore, high rollers better register its gambling accounts with Game Protect, because we enforce account balances through legal action if necessary and our success rate with exhaustion of all legal possibilities is 100% until today. :)

Dont listen to the idiot above. bitcasino has not scammed anyone.
The only people claimed to be scammed by them are people that create multiple accounts in order to abuse the 1st time deposit bonus (its against ANY casinos TOS)
game-protect is a crackpot looking for handouts.
Not for nothing, but bitcasino's site HAS had issues lately. A LOT. and it's been more frequently happening as well, so I don't doubt these errors happening. Slots are constantly going down on this site the past few weeks. sometimes you get a good 100 spins into a slot without issues, while a lot of time you get a 'technical error' and have to reload the slot every 10 spins.

On a side note, what the hell slot were you playing €2700/spin on? it doesnt look familiar.
your bets are crazy man! :o


I've been paid countless times by bitcasino.io without 1 issue for over 2 years. MANY friends of mine have also been paid out by them without issues. Guess what? We only have 1 account each. Go figure.

Ridiculous how you were just sitting and watching your money going into a casino's hands. I see their games are regulated and you can't really claim that they scammed but tell me who the jerk asked you to bet all you 100 or 200k whatever over slots? You could go for dice, roulette, any other games provided that you were interested. You are very stupid OP so commit it. Making a one hour video trying to prove that you won nothing even after depositing a lot? Well, are they bound to make you win if you are a big whale among so many fishes in their pond?



Don't illustrate your extreme levels of foolishness here by comparing a case where jackpot was won against a case where OP 'intentionally' lost his capital that was worth a jackpot itself.

Yeah don't worry I'm not calling bitcasino a scam. The paid my btc withdrawals of 10+ BTC instantly. I've always gotten my money I withdrew from them. The 2700 euro bet was a bonus buy on sweet bonanza. Bought those multiple times. Sad part is I won nothing on those buys. Other people buy bonuses for 80 EURO on sweet bonanza and win 15k EURO hahaha.

I had now a gameplay on every slot and gor kicked out after the 3rd HIT

The whole slot machine was blocked and kick me out

I write to the support they telling me they can help me only with screenshoot of the issue


I dont screen record that means that you only play there with screenrecording

Because they want to cheat if you dobt record the screen

And i think because i make a thread against them they block my whole gameplay


And you dont get there any bonus only if you loose more than 20mbtc you got bonus little freespins


I dont know but i feel rigged now

Then show proof.

Don't say you have proof but then leave it lacking.

Do you want an good odd to bet on it?

If you win we make 50/50

Its better than playing casino i win more with betting than casino

And the best slot is Narcos

Op really have a strong mind and he is a really risk-taker. This funds that he has lost can settle someone from the third world countries for life! I think I have not lost anything compared to what op has lost and still keep playing. I only play the lottery three times and lose. I do play dice and sports betting but afraid of losing heavily and therefore I hardly put in big money.

@btmarketmod

Casino Streamers Trigger Identical Win Sequences in Jammin Jars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-6X42HJd0

Had I been 60k all my problems would have been solved all debts paid and I would be the happiest person ever I'm 23 and have not achieved anything in my life the only thing I've achieved is the grain flakes in the upper shoe blade >:( ;D >:(

I really need a mentor who teach me and make me great again

Gambling can be about fun, or can be about winning.
People who win, put in time and study and learn all about percentages, probability and hundreds of other things.
People for fun, well they just have fun.
Problems arrive when people think they can join winning group by guessing and without effort or learning.

@FreedonHustler you have youth on your side, but at the moment you seem to  not having fun, and not win either.
Maybe gambling is not for you.

How do you exactly check if you are within the statistics?? Lets say odds for the jackpot are 1 in 10000. If you made 10k bets and got no jackpot, are you within the statistics? What about 20k? 30k? Are you still within the statistics or not, you have no clue mate.

Also you might have recieved complaints from idiots, people always complain they are being scammed by casinos, do you actually look into them or do you simply believe your "customers"?

While I was reading your story, i was like thinking that almost million euros would be lost if you continue losing on betting, and by the way, Gambling is a game which suits jack of all trades. You might prove it by yourself that betting is gambling, but gambling in other words means you know what you are doing, risking for a thing and knows and can predict what would be the outcome is my best definition of Gambling, and think about it, you wanna make money on betting instead of thinking outside the box of what you can do on the other hand.

It is your decision at all.

However, for me you are not doing Gambling, You are Donating.

His 40k weekly losses already baffles me.

I can imagine the operators laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm just waiting for confirmation from bitcasino that the connection issues with the games have been resolved and then I will go ahead and deposit another 35 - 40k EURO and live stream the gameplay. For those of you interested in watching I'll post a link on the thread soon.

Thank you for acknowledging that Bitcasino is not a scam and that you have been paid instantly in the past.  It would be a shame for others to get the wrong impression based on the FUD and spammers in this thread.

That's how luck works even you do see its quite unfair yet you have bought more than with other players but you didn't actually get one then you would surely get upset but sometimes you cant really avoid not to think about the fairness.This one isn't scam though as long it do pays well.You lose some bet then move on.

this is how the slots work , sadly
the variance can be disastrous and you could be losing deposit after deposit without hitting a 100x or a jackpot
some game manufacturers have a smoother curve , others pay rarely but in big chunks ( Microgaming , for example ) but in general , they should return around 97-98% on average
I witnessed long ass losing sessions on jamming jars , but on the other hand I saw people win 15-20k euros playing it relatively low stakes
could be a really bad unlucky streak , 200k is nothing to be sneezing at its big money I hope you recover it with your next deposits

Well these are the wins I get playing maximum on Jars. Just watch the entire clip. It just doesn't seem right to me.

I've made thousands upon thousands of 40 euro bets on this slot and haven't been paid a decent win once. I think my biggest win was 3200 EURO (bitcasino could check this if i'm wrong) and I play maximum bet or 20 EURO all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4M7y1SqdA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4M7y1SqdA)

send me a pm, if you have hand histories in theory they could be easily analyzed. The only unknown variable might be the variance of the game but you can do analysis based on the RTP of the game and use a few different models for low, medium and high variance to see if you results fall within a standard deviation or not.

So sorry for you loss, i hope you are rich enough to deal the loss if not, get some help.

Straight to the point, try gambling using my platform i will give you 1 year free membership, i feel very empaty with you, this si the first time im offering this.

Btw are you out of your mind ? Just kidding...

450+ Spins on dead or alive 2 and counting still no free spins. This can't be right

Update: Entire balance gone 500+ spins no free spins  ???

You are too much, OP! 
#Maniac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqfQ12V6_M

Beggar you are really funny. <spit in your face>

Whether or not a casino is a scam is not limited to whether or not it processes witdrawals.

A rigged gambling software also is a scam!

I try now and loose like 12 times in a row i had make a video of it too i dont olay there without screenrecorder

Another losing session tonight. Every day for the past 3 months I've lost. This cannot be legit. This cannot be fair. This is not how gambling works. Its impossible to lose as many deposits as I have. I have not won a single 100x or even 50x my bet in 3 months.

Something is clearly wrong here. I am seriously considering that my account is rigged to lose. Small bets, big bets, it doesn't matter. Bitcasino takes all my deposits every single time. I'm done.

With the current price of BTC it brings my losses to over 400k EURO. No one can be this unlucky.

I can send you the video loosing 12 times in a row at blackjack thats very crazy


I dont know wht to do about this mybe we got rigged the whole time?

maybe you might be interested in this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5171390.0

I once won 10k USD on fortunejack with 25$ per spin.
Been on bitcasino before never really like the website.
If I have that amount of money I rather playing real dealer card game. But for slot I personally recommend fortunejack.

You honestly should just stop and more forwards... Nothing will give you your money back. Do you really still have hope?

Nice drop of sweet sort of sugar coated words, lol, as if you really have an empathy to it. Drop the link of your platform and show how much your platform worth, is it greater than Bitcasino. io ? Or are you thirsty of  200k euros, such a huge amount to fetch huh.

So good to be true.

Sorry, but not sorry.

You need to open a support ticket and add proof of your losses, then I will explain you the legal background.

I dont think we get the money back...

Do you think its possible?

Do you honestly think I would be able to prove something is broken by losing 5k or 10k? Streamers lose that amount on a daily basis and no one blinks and eye. That is normal. At todays exchange rate my losses are at around 400k EURO. That means something is seriously wrong. I have never hit a 100x win. Never hit a Jackpot. I'm pretty sure I'm the biggest player on bitcasino in terms of deposits. 500 spins on dead or alive 2 which has a really high RTP and I don't get a single 10x win or free spins? 18,000 EURO lost in 5 minutes on their highest RTP slot. 36k EURO lost in 10 minutes on Reactoonz. 70k EURO lost on Fat rabbit and no free spins. 1400 Spins at 50 EURO bets and no wins? Tell me this is normal and I will lock the thread and not complain again. Every slot I play I win win my initial bet back on free spins. Nothing more.

As I mentioned I'm done with bitcasino. I've been lowering my deposits gradually and playing smaller bets over the past month to see if my luck changes. Still no wins. I'm clearly being taken advantage of on this site. I'll be asking one of my mates to open an account at bitcasino and will give him 10k euro to deposit to see if he can win something on his account playing the same games I have.

@btmarketmod may I know why were you playing on that casino for 3 straight continuous months, as you have stated that you were loosing each day. I have never played on that casino before, hence I’m not sure if they are using provably fair method or not but you can verify it using your bet seeds. That’s a huge loss I feel you should stop gambling there, and move on to reputed casinos that use provably fair method.

this is the worst feeling in the world, mate :(
to lose such an amount of money and have no fun in the process and feel cheated ...
I don't know wherever your sessions were legit and just  terribly unlucky or you have been taken advantage of , but you can try and complain to the https://www.askgamblers.com/
and to their  license holder in Curacao , ask them to check your sessions to see if there was no foul play
this , most likely , won't get you your money back , but at least you will warn others

@ btmarketmod

Game Protect is since 3,5 years active on bitcointalk.org and you will not get your issue solved with the "help" of its users.


Sure! If I feel scammed and have a legal issue I will ask gamblers? :D


I was not able to understand? Complaining to their license holder in Curacao will warn others?

Here is the warning: Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ (https://game-protect.com/curacao-license-scam/)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5171941.msg52049769#msg52049769

I don't know if your claim about the Curacao license is real or not but either way, how are you going to prove if OP is being cheated by the casino in terms of the odds? You didn't even know how to calculate them, what does the license have to do with OP losing? Are they cheating? Or is he simply unlucky, perhaps the jackpots odds are 1 in 100k, who knows? Apparently not even the casino knows exactly lol.

Please ignore all advice from game-protect. He has THE WORST trust rating on the entire forum.
Can this thread be locked yet? The OP has admitted bitcasino aren’t a scam, he’s got a serious gambling problem & needs professional help.

I already posted the formula!

Only because an extremely mentally ill bitcointalk account is not able to understand it does mean I do not know it! :D


Game Protect is an online casino scam enforcement expert with contacts to gambling software licensing, IT-, blockchain- and legal experts.

The person who does gambling software licensing can check if the software is fair.

poor you... but that's the art of gambling. I've stopped making bets here and gone to other platforms, not because this platform is no longer profitable it's just that I'm trying my luck in another platform  ;)

the RTP odds are not SESSION odds. they are LIFETIME odds for a slot. And its not per user, but every person that wagers on the slot.
Just because a slot is labeled as a 95% RTP and in 1 session you wagered €100, you're not guaranteed to have a balance of €95  

Who said that RTP odds are SESSION odds?


LOL! If you start playing slots today and die tomorrow, is one day your LIFETIME odds? :D


Who said it is per user?


Who said the house edge is guaranteed after 100€ wagered?

Here we go again with your Alzheimer's. You keep talking about the house edge of slots but OP said ''I haven't won a single jackpot even when playing 100 EURO bets.'' As far as I know, jackpots do not have the same odds as slots, a jackpot usually has way lower odds, in any case he would have to ask the casino about the odds of Jackpots not slots. The casino staff responded and said they don't know exactly the odds but they are pretty low.

Even if you knew the odds, say 1 in 1000 and OP made 3000 bets and lost all 3000, would that mean he is not within the statistics? Answer the question.

@ Astargath

Here is your Alzheimer:

It is the first sentence of the opening post and not one word about jackpot!

Of course signature spammers do not have the time to read opening posts! :D

Are you gonna stop making a fool of yourself? ''and got a bonus twice only'' Have you been thinking this whole time that OP is complaining about not winning 1 single spin of slots EVER? Lmao, are you stupid? He even linked a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_4rvMFkNTo where he plays with a starting balance of 120$ and he definitely wins more than a few times, in fact at the beginning of the video he got around 128$. Of course he ends up losing everything but that's normal, isn't it?

My experience has shown it is senseless to communicate with brain dead bitcointalk accounts, but here is what OP said:


Everyone with a functioning brain in his head can see that he complains about continuously losing money and only in one sentence it is mentioned that he did not win a jackpot! ::)

Let's see. He keeps mentioning bonuses and jackpots, I wonder why. You can check the video by yourself and see he wins many, many times but of course in the end loses everything as will always happen with any gambling game, it's called the house edge. What evidence do you have that the casino actually cheated him? Your stupid Carucao License thing?

Now would be a great time to lock your thread, btmarketmod, as it has clearly turned into a game-protect haven for spamming and FUD  ::)

For me it's normal because this is gambling, I don't know if this is because of your careless strategy or because of the bitcasino algorithm. I don't think you will find the answer correctly if you only focus on one gambling site, there are many similar sites that you can try. If your goal is for testing, it's better your test is divided into several sites. This will give a pretty good conclusion whether this is normal or not.


Maybe he's a rich man and $ 200k is only a small part of his wealth. If I became an OP, I wouldn't be that stupid to gamble because there are still more ways to make money with that kind of money.

I never said Bitcasino cheated him! ::)

You implied it by saying he can get all of his deposits back, if he gives you a ransom, because of your bullshit opinion of curacao licenses
Just curious, have you had any kind of education at all?

Why do you keep on replying him? You can see that he is really famous about his talking but as I can say all the cases is already solved and yet he keep saying bad about it. So if you stop to reply him then he got nothing to talk about

And one more thing for sure, please stop this grave digging, like you always do @game-protect. This is really ridiculous to dig what is already been solved and you did it on most of the cases here

Push this to protect future player

Exactly, he implied it several times and even said that they are using a fake license. Notice how he only responds to the "cheating" part but not the part where he is totally wrong about what OP is complaining about lol. This guy doesnt even know what statistics are...

Only because you are the owner of a brain dead bitcointalk account does not imply that I said Bitcasino scammed him! ::)

Here is what I said:

Not one word about gambling software is rigged! ::)

So you assist users when they lose because of something totally not related to their software? How does that work exactly then? Players lose money because of the house edge but you are able to give them their money back because of something totally unrelated to how they lost their money? Ok bro

BINGO!

But we also assist the enforcement of lost money when the software is rigged.


Brain dead bitcointalk accounts are not able to understand how this exactly works!

Basically, if someone took something illegally he is not entitled to keep it by criminal and civil laws.

Do you think the software is rigged and do you have any sucessfull lawsuit against them because you need really much informstion in the support ticket

OMG, I'm finding it difficult to believe that anyone could just throw that sum of money into gambling, just like that and keep on putting more even when they are losing  ???. Well, maybe because I don't have that much.

But, even if I had that much there are other thing that I can do with that amount of money than letting it all go in gambling. You should know that in every casino the house always have more chances of winning than the players, so the luck only comes to a few people

And the next spammer xD
You should be banned from signature campaign.

Their other casino vegascasino.io used pirated software and a high roller informed me that the black jack software is coded by themselves.

The first step is to check if a player is within the statistic.

I also know someone who issues licenses for gambling software and he can check if the bitcasino.io gambling software is rigged.

Ignore the currency value for a minute, lets just go through each example and do the maths on the probability of each outcome.    That would be the best estimation of whether what is happening most likely to be legit or not.
Go to a real casino or possibly any operation and they watch the probability of lots of games, when something close to impossible or highly unlikely occurs they are stood up staring at that guy to check he isnt pulling a trick.   Same for users, its a good to keep a rough idea of how likely am I to win on this.

The easiest thing to do of course is stick to games with close to 50/50 odds like the red/black on a roulette wheel.   Its not perfectly even but you have a rough idea you should win out of 6 rolls of the wheel.
I will find a website with a calculator to help with this hopefully.

Ok so this is a good example, they showed the example of always winning.   But the reverse would also be after not many spins it does become unlikely to always bet the wrong colour on a roulette wheel

A calculator to use on this one
http://www.casinoguardian.co.uk/roulette/betting-calculator/

What can happen when the odds are wrong:
https://www.rouletteonline.net/biased-roulette-wheel/

The first step is to check if a player is within the statistic. But you don't know how to calculate this. You can calculate your average loss but that wont be accurate unless you play a ton of times. OP is also complaining mostly about not winning bonuses and jackpots, which you keep ignoring, your alzheimer's probably.

Correct!


LIE!!!

I posted the formula how to calculate it:



LIE!!!

A player can calculate if he is within the statistic.


LIE!!!

As everyone with eyes and a functioning brain in his head can see in the opening post, OP complains about continuously losing a lot of money without having a larger win.

The word jackpot was mentioned only one time and is irrelevant!

Can someone please explain this to me:

https://imgur.com/a/T5rvQFn (https://imgur.com/a/T5rvQFn)

I got free spins on Win Escalator, my balance was 143,906.71 which you can see in the left corner. As soon as I won the free spins my balance in the top right corner updated to 211,906.71

During the free spins I won exactly 68,000.00 which is 143,906.71 + 68,000.00 = 211,906.71

If the games use a RNG and each spin is unique, how was the game able to predict before even starting the free spins that I would win exactly 68000 credits in those 8 free spins?

This happened on another game where I won 12 free spins.

Sorry for your loss, even if you can afford it, its never fun playing if you loose all the time.
We do not promote bitcasino.io on our Bitcoin gambling guide - newcryptocasinos.com , but i have never heard anything bad about them.

We prefer casinos like Bao, at least you GET something when you reach new level on their Quest, i think level 80 gives you a Sony Playstation:)

And also a friendly reminder to everyone else that reads this thread. Gamble responsibly and never for more money or crypto than you can afford to loose.
Gambling is suppose to be fun.

I would not say this is a clear indication of a scam.

To understand why the account balance updated before the "spins took place" you need to understand how games are built and work.

There are two sides to every game:

1. The server side, this is where the game takes place using its RNG mechanism.
2. The client-side, the pretty picture running in the user's browser. This will "play" the outcome of the game as determined by the server mechanics.

So for a normal game, you will click a button, this action calls the server, the server runs the game, and returns the result to the UI. The UI then plays the outcome of the game (as a slot machine, crash game, scratch card... whatever).

By the time the game plays the UI to the user, the outcome has been determined. In some games, you will notice that your account balance goes up when the game loads.

In this case, I would assume that the game and its bonus spins are determined on the first call.

1. IsWin(1, 100) - user picked 5
2. runBonus(1, 100) - random number selected 52
3. creditWin()
4. returnDataToUI()
5. UI runs the data

Once the data is returned to the UI, the user plays the game not knowing that the result has already been determined.

There are other ways to write games like this and that would be to give the user "free spin credits". The code may look something like this:

1. IsWin(1, 100) - user picked 5
2. runBonus(1, 100) - random number selected 52
3. creditWin(), creditBonusCredits()
4. returnDataToUI()
5. UI runs the data

At this point, the user now has "bonus credits" which can be used to run a separate game...

In most cases an all in one game is preferred since managing credits etc. becomes a chore.

Bitcasino has a huge history of criminal offenses committed and therefore you have to expect everything!

Slots from software providers usually have a skip button and as what chateaux explained while you're on the free spin animation the outcome of all the free spins is  known already.

Maybe it only does it with that provider. On the screenshots they seem to be on the same provider because of the button design.  With other slot providers i've tried I usually receive my updated balance after.

They don't actually...
They just have 1 demented soul running around on BCT falsely claiming this with nothing to back him up.
Also, when someone disagrees with this demented soul, he claims they are 'mentally ill' (when, in fact, he is extremely mentally ill)

roulette is lower variance than a slot game.

That was a great loss and I can see some sort of greediness on the aide of the player here, why aiming to get the biggest odd and found yourself losing and still want to quit for.better? Lesson to learn, never aim at a bigger odd atbyour first play, always set limit of what you intend to use or Loose, never put winning at the front of your games, take gambling as a fun and entertainment. Sorry for the lost.

Game Protect received proof of over 10 bitcasino.io and sportsbet.io scams!

Game-protect lives on these kinds of topics, he loves it when someone loses money, think about it who profits from getting you to lose and who profits from scamming you?

If a casino was a scammer and they scammed you then they will be known as a scamming website and they will not get any more customers and whatever they have made from you will be the last money they made, so they will basically lose their job and even though they have a lot of money that is just tip of the iceberg for a real good casino, without scamming anyone you can keep printing money forever so they literally have no interest in scamming you because they want to be known as a good place in order to keep making ton of money in legit ways.

However, game-protect wants it to be scam, he wants you to lose all your money, if all casinos are legit and good then we need no game-protect, hence he wishes you to be scammed, he wants you to be scammed, he is happy when you are scammed, do your own calculations based on that.

Great extremely mentally ill brain wash nonsense shit story! :D

I will give you 2 examples of known scams with a huge number of customers:

1) 1xbet.com and 1xbit.com

2) bitcasino.io and sportsbet.io

which 10?
you mean the 10 cases of people either trying to double spend bitcoin or making multiple accounts in order to abuse the 1st deposit bonus?
and where is this "proof"?
is the proof just some random guy, who created an account here, and says he lost his deposit? shortly thereafter giving you a positive review and talking extremely mentally ill the whole time?

Always go with the established betting houses for this reason, if you are a new gambler especially you want a bet provider who has something to lose by not keeping you as a customer.  A website that has existed only weeks and might be gone just as fast may not care about a fair game as any complaints can be ignored before the community recognises the games they run are biased.    A very long term site will just not survive in the end because they will lose more customers then the money gained.

Yeah definitely, when you gamble in places like stake, primedice and so forth you are not risking much, they are telling you the house edge already and you will definitely lose all of your money if you are not careful however at least that is already mentioned and informed by the casino to you.

Aside from that these places are making millions of dollars every single year, they have absolutely no reason to scam you, what could they gain from scamming someone, even if it is like 500 bitcoins they still do not need to scam a person because they can make that much money anyway. Hence always pick casinos that wouldn't mind people winning a ton of money because in the end they will profit, if you pick that type of super rich and wealthy casino then you would be fine (except hackers of course).

Why do you think he is a spammer?  He actually made a valid point.

Anyway, I wonder what other members think of op claim. Do you guys think the amount he  mentioned here is true or is exaggerated?

The only known scam here is you lol. You don't have proof that this casino is a scam, you only have some shitty proof about their gambling license, nothing about them cheating with the rolls.

Actually by gambling you are already risking your money, even if you played on the big sites like the one you mentioned. But the chance to lose it by yourselves or by get scamming will have a different story. The only thing you played on some big sites is they will never scam away your money because this is profitable business, they do not want to lose people trust just because of little issues. But the chance of losing money on gambling site will stay the same

Yeah I'm pretty sure this is legit: https://youtu.be/3NAr4T-G8ck

It took the entire balance after this btw.

So just keep playing there then...  ???

Why do not you put the proof on the table and get 5 BTC instead of spamming your signature for cents? :D

Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1769527.msg17668097#msg17668097)


Game Protect has a lot of proof that the bitcasino.io, sportsbet.io and vegascasino.io group scammed customers!

its a normal thing when you play online games I tried it with different gambling websites and its safe


1XBET IS A SCAM? are you sure about it cuz I use it and I bring some friends  to this website and we didn't withdraw yet and what you suggest to bet on football with cryptocurrency

That's correct happened to me a lot of times , i think everyone has experienced the same thing too. Sometimes it's smell a rat due how disappointed you are having a bad day , a bad luck that time , a wise gesture needed.

However when it comes to bitcasino.io i think it's well known since 2016 that they have too much problem unsolved like :

Withdrawal on hold for months ..
Ignoring customer complaints ..
Rejecting withdrawal request for unclear reason ..

Also a shady gaming platform ..
Most importantly, their t&c changing as they wish. Stay away.

I smell a rat here myself too.

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On August 3rd 2018 you were very happy to apply for a spot in the bitcasino.io signature campaign. You were obviously rejected, is this why you’re on a mission to try & do them dirty by spreading FUD?

Do you do this to every casino/sportsbook who don’t want you working with them?

Do you know what I think, I think you’re bitter that you were rejected & you’re being immature, going out of your way to spread FUD.

You were happy to work with them if you were accepted in the campaign despite supposedly thinking they’re untrustworthy. If that’s the case it makes you untrustworthy so which is it?

I think you need to be honest with everybody!

Bravo friend.  You are really very careful.  I always welcome objectivity in our affairs, since only an accurate and correct assessment of not only our activities, but also the activities of good resources gives us and new users the opportunity to make the right choice.