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Title: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: haseeb ahmed on August 30, 2019, 09:54:23 AM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on August 30, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_of_the_Amazon_rainforest)

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Causes of deforestation

Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest can be attributed to many different factors at local, national, and international levels. The rainforest is seen as a resource for cattle pasture, valuable hardwoods, housing space, farming space (especially for soybeans), road works (such as highways and smaller roads), medicines and human gain. Trees are usually cut down illegally.

A 2004 World Bank paper and a 2009 Greenpeace report found that the cattle sector in the Brazilian Amazon, supported by the international beef and leather trades, was responsible for about 80% of all deforestation in the region,[23][2] or about 14% of the world's total annual deforestation, making it the largest single driver of deforestation in the world.[3] According to a 2006 report by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, 70% of formerly forested land in the Amazon, and 91% of land deforested since 1970, is used for livestock pasture.[4][24]

Additional deforestation in the Amazon has resulted from farmers clearing land for small-scale subsistence agriculture[6] or for mechanized cropland. Scientists using NASA satellite data found in 2006 that clearing for mechanized cropland had become a significant force in Brazilian Amazon deforestation. This change in land use may alter the region's climate. Researchers found that in 2004, a peak year of deforestation, more than 20 percent of the Mato Grosso state's forests were converted to cropland.[7] In 2005, soybean prices fell by more than 25 percent and some areas of Mato Grosso showed a decrease in large deforestation events, suggesting that the rise and fall of prices for other crops, beef and timber may also have a significant impact on future land use in the region.[7]

Until 2006, a major driver of forest loss in the Amazon was the cultivation of soy, mainly for export and production of biodiesel and animal feed;[25] as soybean prices have risen, soy farmers pushed northwards into forested areas of the Amazon.[26] However, a private sector agreement referred to as the Soy Moratorium has helped drastically reduce the deforestation linked to soy production in the region. In 2006, a number of major commodity trading companies such as Cargill agreed to not purchase soybeans produced in the Brazilian Amazon in recently deforested areas. Before the moratorium, 30 percent of soy field expansion had occurred through deforestation, contributing to record deforestation rates. After eight years of the moratorium, a 2015 study found that although soy production area had expanded another 1.3 million hectares, only about 1 percent of the new soy expansion had come at the expense of forest. In response to the moratorium, farmers were choosing to plant on already cleared land.[26] The needs of soy farmers have been used to validate some controversial transportation projects that have developed in the Amazon.[11] The first two highways, the Belém-Brasília (1958) and the Cuiaba-Porto Velho (1968), were the only federal highways in the Legal Amazon to be paved and passable year-round before the late 1990s. These two highways are said to be "at the heart of the 'arc of deforestation'", which at present is the focal point area of deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon. The Belém-Brasília highway attracted nearly two million settlers in the first twenty years. The success of the Belém-Brasília highway in opening up the forest was reenacted as paved roads continued to be developed, unleashing the irrepressible spread of settlement. The completion of the roads was followed by a wave of resettlement; these settlers had a significant effect on the forest as well.[27]

Research conducted by Leydimere Oliveira, et al. has shown that the more rainforest is logged in the Amazon, the less precipitation reaches the area and so the lower the yield per hectare becomes. Thus for Brazil as a whole, there is no economic gain to be made by logging and selling trees and using the logged land for pastoral purposes.[28]

A September 2016 Amazon Watch report concludes that imports of crude oil by the US are driving rainforest destruction in the Amazon and releasing significant greenhouse gases.[29][30]

The European Union–Mercosur Free Trade Agreement, which would form one of the world's largest free trade areas, has been denounced by environmental activists and indigenous rights campaigners.[31][32] The fear is that the deal could lead to more deforestation of the Amazon rainforest as it expands market access to Brazilian beef.[33]


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Daniel91 on August 30, 2019, 03:59:54 PM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

I read some articles recently that the whole thing was portrayed per-dramatically and that this year's fires do not deviate significantly from the perennial average (10 years) and that Amazonia produces not 20 but only 6 percent of the earth's oxygen etc.
Of course, it's still a disaster, but not the cataclysm as some try to prove without concrete or true facts.
I don't think that whole Amazon may disappear but it will happen, we will still survive, don't worry :)
The temperature will probably increase and the sea level will increase, but it will happen anyway and is happening right now.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Naida_BR on August 31, 2019, 07:32:19 AM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

The answer is simple.
As the Amazon forrest is the biggest "Lung" of our planet, if it gets burnt then our planet is going to be inhabitable. There will be less oxygen produced and cosidering the fact that the global population is rising this will have a disastrous impact.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: acroman08 on August 31, 2019, 08:42:39 AM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

The answer is simple.
As the Amazon forrest is the biggest "Lung" of our planet, if it gets burnt then our planet is going to be inhabitable. There will be less oxygen produced and cosidering the fact that the global population is rising this will have a disastrous impact.

Wrong, it's true that amazon gives part of the % of world's oxygen but it is far from being the biggest producer.
Plankton is the biggest producer of oxygen. plankton produce an estimated of 80% of world's oxygen. it is just saddening that
a Forrest home of thousand of species is burning.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: haseeb ahmed on August 31, 2019, 11:10:03 AM
But we have to save Amazon forest. 20 % means providing oxygen to 1.5 billion population and of earth which is a huge number.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: acroman08 on August 31, 2019, 01:52:36 PM
But we have to save Amazon forest. 20 % means providing oxygen to 1.5 billion population and of earth which is a huge number.


I find this video quite informative you should watch it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzK3iWAFgI

I'am not saying we should just ignore amazon forest but we need to prevent misinformation to make unnecessary panic.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on August 31, 2019, 02:09:17 PM
But we have to save Amazon forest. 20 % means providing oxygen to 1.5 billion population and of earth which is a huge number.


I find this video quite informative you should watch it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLzK3iWAFgI

I'am not saying we should just ignore amazon forest but we need to prevent misinformation to make unnecessary panic.
This might be true but deforestation causes other things like increases the rate of global warning so we should stop cutting or burning the trees though.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: TheCoinGrabber on September 01, 2019, 07:02:38 PM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

I read some articles recently that the whole thing was portrayed per-dramatically and that this year's fires do not deviate significantly from the perennial average (10 years) and that Amazonia produces not 20 but only 6 percent of the earth's oxygen etc.
Of course, it's still a disaster, but not the cataclysm as some try to prove without concrete or true facts.
I don't think that whole Amazon may disappear but it will happen, we will still survive, don't worry :)
The temperature will probably increase and the sea level will increase, but it will happen anyway and is happening right now.

I don't know bout the oxygen levels but it's definitely a disaster for biodiversity. There could be species that would die before being discovered.

And I'm not talking about this purely from a conservation viewpoint. We could learn a lot from some species that might be discovered, like medicines etc.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: coins4commies on September 01, 2019, 11:43:03 PM
Oxygen running out is not an issue.  We'd be post-cataclysm if that ever became an issue.  Plankton/algae produce most of the oxygen and can adapt relatively quickly to the changes in acidity due to runaway CO2. 

We will likely end up with more oxygen in the atmosphere but massive death in the ocean due to acidification. Those ecosystem collapses will put a strain on food supply which will create a positive feedback where there is higher demand for meat and more deforestation.  None of this has to mean the end of the world but its likely that people won't figure out how to work together to allocate alternative food sources and there will be a breakdown of social order and spread of wars/unrest/mass migration. 

10 million people have been displaced recently and has created massive turmoil in Europe, Asia, and the Americas but with climate change, we're going to be talking about 500 million displaced. Again, its really bad and certainly a mass extinction event unlike the planet has seen in 65million years but not something that should mean the literal end of the world.  In the current state of greed and antipathy for those in need, its likely going to end in massive breakdown of order.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Indamuck on September 02, 2019, 01:02:12 PM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

I read some articles recently that the whole thing was portrayed per-dramatically and that this year's fires do not deviate significantly from the perennial average (10 years) and that Amazonia produces not 20 but only 6 percent of the earth's oxygen etc.
Of course, it's still a disaster, but not the cataclysm as some try to prove without concrete or true facts.
I don't think that whole Amazon may disappear but it will happen, we will still survive, don't worry :)
The temperature will probably increase and the sea level will increase, but it will happen anyway and is happening right now.

I don't know bout the oxygen levels but it's definitely a disaster for biodiversity. There could be species that would die before being discovered.

And I'm not talking about this purely from a conservation viewpoint. We could learn a lot from some species that might be discovered, like medicines etc.

But most people don't care if any of those rare species go extinct because it has virtually no effect on our lives.  Capitalism isn't about conserving the environment, it is about extracting as much as you can to make big profits.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: qweqwe2121 on September 02, 2019, 01:09:48 PM
if amazon burns down it's like a big disaster for the earth and its other living things. 20% of the oxygen on earth today comes from Amazon forests. The burning of amazon at this time can not be overcome as a whole, this really makes a concern. I hope this will be resolved quickly.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Naida_BR on September 02, 2019, 05:08:40 PM
if amazon burns down it's like a big disaster for the earth and its other living things. 20% of the oxygen on earth today comes from Amazon forests. The burning of amazon at this time can not be overcome as a whole, this really makes a concern. I hope this will be resolved quickly.

And just to add on that, the fact that Amazon is home for a lot of species.
It is a place for animals where they can find food, water and a place to populate their species. If Amazon is destroyed then all those animals will lose their home and probably they are going to die from hunger.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: acroman08 on September 03, 2019, 03:27:29 AM
if amazon burns down it's like a big disaster for the earth and its other living things. 20% of the oxygen on earth today comes from Amazon forests. The burning of amazon at this time can not be overcome as a whole, this really makes a concern. I hope this will be resolved quickly.

And just to add on that, the fact that Amazon is home for a lot of species.
It is a place for animals where they can find food, water and a place to populate their species. If Amazon is destroyed then all those animals will lose their home and probably they are going to die from hunger.

again, the news about amazon producing 20% of world's oxygen is highly exaggerated and the oxygen amazon forest produce barely leaves amazon forest since
the oxygen mostly used up by the native species living there. the sad part I see is that thousand of species is dying because amazon forest is burning out and also the
misinformation people spread creating unnecessary panic to everyone.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: 7777wonder on September 03, 2019, 07:13:25 AM
The recent burning of the Amazon might cause a lot of damage to the Amazon, because that is where 20%of the world oxygen is coming from and farming are burning  trees because of farming and the government are not looking into it to prevent it from burning g but I believe with the next step taken by the Brazilian president,is will be resolved soon


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 03, 2019, 07:31:25 AM
The recent burning of the Amazon might cause a lot of damage to the Amazon, because that is where 20%of the world oxygen is coming from and farming are burning  trees because of farming and the government are not looking into it to prevent it from burning g but I believe with the next step taken by the Brazilian president,is will be resolved soon
Read before posting,already peole talking that 20% is just a fake number and killing amazon won't affect the humans.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Harpreetkaur on September 03, 2019, 08:27:43 AM
Yeah, there is lot of effect on our nature. Birds and animal. Trees our essential for our society as well as nature and animals. So there is need to work on jungle fire..


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: 7777wonder on September 03, 2019, 09:20:35 AM
The president of France try to help the Brazilian president,but the Brazilian president sow it as a kind political scheme to put him to sham ,calling the French president,a colonialists,but I believe he should take the help



Farmers in Brazil and other countries withing the Amazon should stop burning land before planting,also it destroy the nutrients in the soil



I believe charity organization should step in in funding how to keep the Amazon safe from disaster


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: TheCoinGrabber on September 04, 2019, 05:46:59 PM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

I read some articles recently that the whole thing was portrayed per-dramatically and that this year's fires do not deviate significantly from the perennial average (10 years) and that Amazonia produces not 20 but only 6 percent of the earth's oxygen etc.
Of course, it's still a disaster, but not the cataclysm as some try to prove without concrete or true facts.
I don't think that whole Amazon may disappear but it will happen, we will still survive, don't worry :)
The temperature will probably increase and the sea level will increase, but it will happen anyway and is happening right now.

I don't know bout the oxygen levels but it's definitely a disaster for biodiversity. There could be species that would die before being discovered.

And I'm not talking about this purely from a conservation viewpoint. We could learn a lot from some species that might be discovered, like medicines etc.

But most people don't care if any of those rare species go extinct because it has virtually no effect on our lives.  Capitalism isn't about conserving the environment, it is about extracting as much as you can to make big profits.

More like human greed and how well a government can implement laws. People will want more and given the chance will act on it. "Conservation" rarely cross the average person's mind unless they've been made to understand the value of the environment from a very young age or they see an immediate benefit to them (like fishermen turned tourist guides that used to kill and eat whale sharks).

Which is why I believe this started from farmers clearing more land by doing slash-and-burn. A similar fire has happened in Sabah years ago with the resulting smog getting into neighboring countries.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: BADecker on September 06, 2019, 10:29:32 PM
The Amazon fires have been dying down for a long time.


Data on Amazon Rainforest Fires Tell a Much Different Story Than Social Media (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/267675-2019-09-06-data-on-amazon-rainforest-fires-tell-a-much-different-story.htm)



"Our House Is on Fire"

It is hard to miss the news reports on the fire in the Amazon rainforest in Brazil. Millions of people are calling for immediate action on social media and, with a limited amount of prior knowledge, there is little surprise that much of what is being reported is inaccurate.

A wide array of celebrities have drawn attention to the problem, mostly through tweets, ranging from superstar sportspeople to famous actors. When asked what Madonna, Christiano Ronaldo, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Emmanuel Macron have in common, you're probably expecting a funny joke. In fact, all of these people have shared pictures about the fires online that were proven to be much older. In the case of the French president, the photograph he posted was taken by a photographer who died in 2003, making it at least 16 years old.


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Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 07, 2019, 01:53:34 AM
If the forests burnt down, a new one would start forming within days.  Basically, provided that there is water and something resembling soil, all available solar radiation is intercepted by some plant and that process off-gasses oxygen.

The scare tactic about '20% of the oxygen' is beyond ridiculous.  It relies both on nearly complete ignorance among the peeps of basic science and a near total blindness to the natural world.

Now if one covers an area in solar panels then the solar energy does not result in photosynthesis (the process by which CO2 converts to O2.)

If somehow the 'whole Amazon' burnt, or even significant portions of it, it would actually create some notable impacts on the environment from soil erosion and the like and some of these would suck.  Further, it would be a genuine disaster for ecology generally and certain rare species.  Fortunately the current crisis has all the markings of being nearly 100% hoax.  All I need to see is the list of celebrities put forward by the Globalists in order to smell that rat.



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: af_newbie on September 07, 2019, 02:31:49 AM
When someone talks about the destruction of the Amazon, all I hear is this song from way back when:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejorQVy3m8E


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 07, 2019, 05:43:28 AM
If the forests burnt down, a new one would start forming within days.  Basically, provided that there is water and something resembling soil, all available solar radiation is intercepted by some plant and that process off-gasses oxygen.
It may starts to recreate in weeks but how many years needed for the plant to get grow as a tree,it will take atleast two decades for small trees and few centuries to get into a big tree.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 07, 2019, 06:27:15 AM
If the forests burnt down, a new one would start forming within days.  Basically, provided that there is water and something resembling soil, all available solar radiation is intercepted by some plant and that process off-gasses oxygen.

It may starts to recreate in weeks but how many years needed for the plant to get grow as a tree,it will take atleast two decades for small trees and few centuries to get into a big tree.


So what?  You get 50 trees where before there was one.  The smaller trees die off as the forest grows.

You probably were conditioned to believe without thinking about it much that only evil humans and their chainsaws and fires ever killed a tree, huh?



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 07, 2019, 07:22:41 AM
If the forests burnt down, a new one would start forming within days.  Basically, provided that there is water and something resembling soil, all available solar radiation is intercepted by some plant and that process off-gasses oxygen.

It may starts to recreate in weeks but how many years needed for the plant to get grow as a tree,it will take atleast two decades for small trees and few centuries to get into a big tree.


So what?  You get 50 trees where before there was one.  The smaller trees die off as the forest grows.

You probably were conditioned to believe without thinking about it much that only evil humans and their chainsaws and fires ever killed a tree, huh?


So you are justifying that cutting the trees for our modern and useless furniture which takes years to grow is correct.If the trees die themselves then its the system but when we cut it means it something done for our purpose.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 07, 2019, 08:34:54 AM
If the forests burnt down, a new one would start forming within days.  Basically, provided that there is water and something resembling soil, all available solar radiation is intercepted by some plant and that process off-gasses oxygen.

It may starts to recreate in weeks but how many years needed for the plant to get grow as a tree,it will take atleast two decades for small trees and few centuries to get into a big tree.


So what?  You get 50 trees where before there was one.  The smaller trees die off as the forest grows.

You probably were conditioned to believe without thinking about it much that only evil humans and their chainsaws and fires ever killed a tree, huh?


So you are justifying that cutting the trees for our modern and useless furniture which takes years to grow is correct.If the trees die themselves then its the system but when we cut it means it something done for our purpose.

'Modern' furniture is typically made of plastic.  Hominids have been using trees for furniture since about the time of Homo Habilis at least.  That's a few million years ago for you scientific illiterates.

As for 'useless' furniture, I assume you sit your ass on something while you type nonsense on a keyboard.  Even if it is a chair provided by the government in a public library, it's still made of something.  Making furniture out of wood the old fashioned way provides a lot more jobs than using a robotically controlled extruder.

Indeed, if you want to 'sequester carbon', you want to harvest wood and use it for buildings and furniture because otherwise it lays on the forest floor, rots, and puts CO2 back into the atmosphere.  Actually what you want are peat bogs since just about every other land-based ecosystem (including the Amazon) are basically carbon neutral (which also means their are effectively oxygen neutral).  But this is vastly beyond the intellectual capability of indoctrinated human-hating drones who regurgitate this kind of tripe.



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 07, 2019, 08:39:23 AM
If the forests burnt down, a new one would start forming within days.  Basically, provided that there is water and something resembling soil, all available solar radiation is intercepted by some plant and that process off-gasses oxygen.

It may starts to recreate in weeks but how many years needed for the plant to get grow as a tree,it will take atleast two decades for small trees and few centuries to get into a big tree.


So what?  You get 50 trees where before there was one.  The smaller trees die off as the forest grows.

You probably were conditioned to believe without thinking about it much that only evil humans and their chainsaws and fires ever killed a tree, huh?


So you are justifying that cutting the trees for our modern and useless furniture which takes years to grow is correct.If the trees die themselves then its the system but when we cut it means it something done for our purpose.

'Modern' furniture is typically made of plastic.  Hominids have been using trees for furniture since about the time of Homo Habilis at least.  That's a few million years ago for you scientific illiterates.

As for 'useless' furniture, I assume you sit your ass on something while you type nonsense on a keyboard.  Even if it is a chair provided by the government in a public library, it's still made of something.  Making furniture out of wood the old fashioned way provides a lot more jobs than using a robotically controlled extruder.

Indeed, if you want to 'sequester carbon', you want to harvest wood and use it for buildings and furniture because otherwise it lays on the forest floor, rots, and puts CO2 back into the atmosphere.  Actually what you want are peat bogs since just about every other land-based ecosystem (including the Amazon) are basically carbon neutral (which also means their are effectively oxygen neutral).  But this is vastly beyond the intellectual capability of indoctrinated human-hating drones who regurgitate this kind of tripe.


Anyone here agrees that all the modern furniture were not made of wood,its from plastics?

I am having most in woods so I am old fashioned?

Rotten bogs may turn into a natural fertilizer in very few days of time.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 07, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
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Rotten bogs may turn into a natural fertilizer in very few days of time.

No they don't, and they are about the only terrestrial environment which does not.  They turn into coal beds and sequester carbon under the surface of the earth for millions of years.



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 07, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
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Rotten bogs may turn into a natural fertilizer in very few days of time.

No they don't, and they are about the only terrestrial environment which does not.  They turn into coal beds and sequester carbon under the surface of the earth for millions of years.


Fired wood will turn into the coal beds but the rotten wood will not turn into coal bed as far as I know.

https://www.dkfindout.com/us/animals-and-nature/habitats-and-ecosystems/rotting-log/

Which will turn into a place for million tiny organisms and also stops soil erosion.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 07, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
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Rotten bogs may turn into a natural fertilizer in very few days of time.

No they don't, and they are about the only terrestrial environment which does not.  They turn into coal beds and sequester carbon under the surface of the earth for millions of years.


Fired wood will turn into the coal beds but the rotten wood will not turn into coal bed as far as I know.

https://www.dkfindout.com/us/animals-and-nature/habitats-and-ecosystems/rotting-log/

Which will turn into a place for million tiny organisms and also stops soil erosion.

Forests don't form coal beds.  You should be able to verify this by simply going for a walk.  Peat bogs and swamps do.  The bio-accumulation overloads the ability of insects, fungi, and microbes to break down the hydrocarbons and turn them back into CO2.

Living roots are the primary method by which erosion is hampered.  Cutting down a forest can cause big problems with erosion in some environments.  Of course in other environments large tree roots force apart rocks so it's a mixed bag.

But generally one of the only real problems with timber harvest (and forest fires) has to do with silting of streams and in some cases landslides for a relatively brief period following the harvest.  Another problem is increased solar radiation on streams which can increase the water temperature.  In places where there is responsible harvest practices a buffer zone is left.

In places where the 'watermelons' have gained power these 'buffer zones' are expanded to ridiculous levels.  That's a social issue related to some people's political feelings about ownership of private property.  Has nothing to do with science or protection of the environment (even if the 'useful idiots' think it does.)




Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: BADecker on September 07, 2019, 07:37:44 PM
Effect of amazon fire?

Some people who live above the Arctic Circle, are moving there (the amazon) just to get warm.

 ;D


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 08, 2019, 06:10:07 AM
Effect of amazon fire?

Some people who live above the Arctic Circle, are moving there (the amazon) just to get warm.

 ;D
Better get some firewood and burn it from your places to get warm.Its more economical though. ;D


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Virtualis Games on September 08, 2019, 06:41:57 AM
This fire won't have more impact than people who are eating meat and where we need to deforest the entire planet just for making their meat. Without talking about greenhouse gas.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 08, 2019, 07:02:04 AM

This fire won't have more impact than people who are eating meat and where we need to deforest the entire planet just for making their meat. Without talking about greenhouse gas.

Your English and style sure is a good match for Semobo.  So is the style and use of logic.  Same person (or algorithm)?

Anyway, if omnivorous humans required the 'entire planet' to be grazing lands in order to satisfy their needs for meat, then why is the 'entire planet' not currently deforested?



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Virtualis Games on September 08, 2019, 07:10:13 AM

This fire won't have more impact than people who are eating meat and where we need to deforest the entire planet just for making their meat. Without talking about greenhouse gas.

Your English and style sure is a good match for Semobo.  So is the style and use of logic.  Same person (or algorithm)?

Anyway, if omnivorous humans required the 'entire planet' to be grazing lands in order to satisfy their needs for meat, then why is the 'entire planet' not currently deforested?



No it's a new account that i made today because i got a negative feedback saying that my main account is an alt account (which is not the case) but the feedback is not moderated according to others members on the forum. So i had to make a new account like people adviced me to do (because i have a project to expose, so i can't use an account with a negative feedback...). My old account is "StonerStanley" so i don't know who is "Semobo" and i have nothing to hide.

Omnivorous human don't require the entire planet at the moment but more and more everyday, and it kills a lot of animals for nothing helpful to be honest. I have been omnivorus
for decade and i was insulting the vegans, now i'm vegan. Eating meat is responsible for more than 60% of the deforestation of the Amazon without talking about how much water we need
to make the meat (and the fact that we could eat only plants so it's useless to kill animals)

It's not the subject of the debate but i'm just saying.

And what, my english is so bad ?  ;D


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: semobo on September 08, 2019, 09:25:46 AM

This fire won't have more impact than people who are eating meat and where we need to deforest the entire planet just for making their meat. Without talking about greenhouse gas.

Your English and style sure is a good match for Semobo.  So is the style and use of logic.  Same person (or algorithm)?

Anyway, if omnivorous humans required the 'entire planet' to be grazing lands in order to satisfy their needs for meat, then why is the 'entire planet' not currently deforested?


I am not that kind of person though because for something which needs to be grower to give us meat which itself needs plants to eat for themselves so without plants the whole system will collapse.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Virtualis Games on September 08, 2019, 10:41:57 AM
Ok i'm just realizing now that "semobo" is the author of the thread  ::) :D


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: haseeb ahmed on September 10, 2019, 12:44:39 AM
Amazon is known as the lungs of earth and definitely if lungs get damage whole body will face threat and the most intimidating part is speed with which it got burn.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on September 10, 2019, 01:23:36 AM

Amazon is known as the lungs of earth and definitely if lungs get damage whole body will face threat and the most intimidating part is speed with which it got burn.

The 'lungs of the earth' is a jingly sound-bite for people who really don't have even the slightest idea of even the most basic science behind any of this stuff.

Seems like it is very very common these days for lands which 'environmentalists' seek to take control over to mysteriously catch fire.

I use air-quotes around 'environmentalist' because these people really have no relationship to environmentalists of 40 years ago or environmentalists such as myself.  Most people who are labeled environmentalists these days are basically terrorist funded by the global elite who's job is to arrange for their funders to have complete control over lands and resources.  For every one of these 'neo-environmentalists' there are about 10,000 drooling idiots who get off on catchy phrases like 'lungs of the earth' and who will believe in the hearts that humans eating ungulates will kill the whole planet.

The tiny fraction of global elite bankers basically bought the 'environmentalist movement' in part by first buying the so-called 'education system'.  When you can produce an infinite amount of money out of nothing you can, over time, buy just about anything you like.

Back to the fires in the Amazon, from what little research I've done they don't seem particularly extraordinary this year compared to the historical record.  Seems like the main feature is that the global elite decided to move this 'get the Amazon' project forward and are using their 'social media properties' as one of the tools to do so.  And probably some local operatives with their cans of diesel as well.



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: BADecker on September 10, 2019, 06:53:54 PM
^^^ I concur.     8)


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: natalia stark on September 10, 2019, 08:16:25 PM
The answer to that question is simple and plain that if the amazon forest get burn then there will be natural catastrophic events all over the globe as these forest are considered the LUNGS of the world and if something happen to the lungs then all system in that case whole ecosystem will started to collapse and when they will reach the threshold then whole planet will go BOOM with different natural disasters.

Thats what will happen if amazon get burn. But thats a big IF so ....


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: yazher on October 31, 2019, 11:33:52 AM
After that incident, there will be another problem for us to face. We as human beings are now prone to another global problem on our planet. consider that we have already achieve the devastating result from our failure to clean our planet to stop global warming, Now the problem is more and more critical because there will be fewer trees to stop the heat from the sun to directly hit our planet. Expect to feel more temperature when you go out of your houses. As I experience it my self, It was already 3 pm when I was walking in our local market but the heat of the sun is like 12 noon. this is the problem we are facing now and it is almost impossible to stop.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: tvbcof on October 31, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
After that incident, there will be another problem for us to face. We as human beings are now prone to another global problem on our planet. consider that we have already achieve the devastating result from our failure to clean our planet to stop global warming, Now the problem is more and more critical because there will be fewer trees to stop the heat from the sun to directly hit our planet. Expect to feel more temperature when you go out of your houses. As I experience it my self, It was already 3 pm when I was walking in our local market but the heat of the sun is like 12 noon. this is the problem we are facing now and it is almost impossible to stop.

Unfortunately it seems that your grasp of thermodynamics is quite typical of those who are wetting themselves over 'global warming.'

Sometimes two people are so far apart on...um...reality that it's kinda impossible to communicate.  Case in point:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q)

Edit:  A guy can just tell that Ol' Hank was a warmunista and he would say some funny shit about it.  Sure enough, in about 30 seconds of looking:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3cf-oqEDr4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3cf-oqEDr4)



Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: GideonGono on October 31, 2019, 12:55:07 PM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

maybe some endangered species also gone because of that the food wed can affect and also our supply of food affected.  It takes too long before it get back because it's not easy to recover it again.  It also affect our ozone layer and it takes our life get shorter by taking a short amount of oxygen given by a trees.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: creepyjas on November 01, 2019, 01:57:38 AM
What will happen if whole amazon forest get burn

Just imagine a human without lungs. He'll die.

Earth will be slowly dying without the Amazon. The ecosystem will become imbalance which will cause the food chain and habitats to become broken.

It's a domino effect which will also affect the humanity to become extinct.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: Spendulus on November 02, 2019, 12:34:21 AM
The answer to that question is simple and plain that if the amazon forest get burn then there will be natural catastrophic events all over the globe as these forest are considered the LUNGS of the world and if something happen to the lungs then all system in that case whole ecosystem will started to collapse and when they will reach the threshold then whole planet will go BOOM with different natural disasters.

Thats what will happen if amazon get burn. But thats a big IF so ....
BOOM? Just BOOM and that's it???

LUNGS?

Wow.

Now you have me worried. I don't know if I will be able to sleep tonight.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: kuyaJ on November 02, 2019, 01:26:24 AM
The answer to that question is simple and plain that if the amazon forest get burn then there will be natural catastrophic events all over the globe as these forest are considered the LUNGS of the world and if something happen to the lungs then all system in that case whole ecosystem will started to collapse and when they will reach the threshold then whole planet will go BOOM with different natural disasters.

Thats what will happen if amazon get burn. But thats a big IF so ....

It not suddenly take affect because we have a supply but of course when the time comes we can feel it by the huge number of oxygen given off by trees that's why the population take a lot of oxygen but we have a limited supply so it can cause from people to die, not immediately but their lives become shorter.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: acroman08 on November 02, 2019, 02:05:28 AM
The answer to that question is simple and plain that if the amazon forest get burn then there will be natural catastrophic events all over the globe as these forest are considered the LUNGS of the world and if something happen to the lungs then all system in that case whole ecosystem will started to collapse and when they will reach the threshold then whole planet will go BOOM with different natural disasters.

Thats what will happen if amazon get burn. But thats a big IF so ....

It not suddenly take affect because we have a supply but of course when the time comes we can feel it by the huge number of oxygen given off by trees that's why the population take a lot of oxygen but we have a limited supply so it can cause from people to die, not immediately but their lives become shorter.

even if the whole amazon forest disappeared/burned down the oxygen supply is never the problem because the oxygen produces by amazon forest barely leaves
the forest because the oxygen is almost up by the species, organism, microbes etc.. that are living there(like I said at the first page of this thread). the main problem
we would have is that the trees in amazon forest absorb Co2 in the atmosphere and without the amazon forest the CO2 would remain in the atmosphere
and will contribute to a faster climate change.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: GideonGono on November 08, 2019, 04:17:27 PM
The answer to that question is simple and plain that if the amazon forest get burn then there will be natural catastrophic events all over the globe as these forest are considered the LUNGS of the world and if something happen to the lungs then all system in that case whole ecosystem will started to collapse and when they will reach the threshold then whole planet will go BOOM with different natural disasters.

Thats what will happen if amazon get burn. But thats a big IF so ....

It not suddenly take affect because we have a supply but of course when the time comes we can feel it by the huge number of oxygen given off by trees that's why the population take a lot of oxygen but we have a limited supply so it can cause from people to die, not immediately but their lives become shorter.

even if the whole amazon forest disappeared/burned down the oxygen supply is never the problem because the oxygen produces by amazon forest barely leaves
the forest because the oxygen is almost up by the species, organism, microbes etc.. that are living there(like I said at the first page of this thread). the main problem
we would have is that the trees in amazon forest absorb Co2 in the atmosphere and without the amazon forest the CO2 would remain in the atmosphere
and will contribute to a faster climate change.


How it would never be a problem if you said that it can cause a faster climate change? The food Web can be affected on this case and also you, you can affect also by this even you are not besides amazon forest, not now but soon I think.


Title: Re: Effect of amazon fire ?
Post by: gabmen on November 09, 2019, 01:02:46 PM
The answer to that question is simple and plain that if the amazon forest get burn then there will be natural catastrophic events all over the globe as these forest are considered the LUNGS of the world and if something happen to the lungs then all system in that case whole ecosystem will started to collapse and when they will reach the threshold then whole planet will go BOOM with different natural disasters.

Thats what will happen if amazon get burn. But thats a big IF so ....

It not suddenly take affect because we have a supply but of course when the time comes we can feel it by the huge number of oxygen given off by trees that's why the population take a lot of oxygen but we have a limited supply so it can cause from people to die, not immediately but their lives become shorter.

even if the whole amazon forest disappeared/burned down the oxygen supply is never the problem because the oxygen produces by amazon forest barely leaves
the forest because the oxygen is almost up by the species, organism, microbes etc.. that are living there(like I said at the first page of this thread). the main problem
we would have is that the trees in amazon forest absorb Co2 in the atmosphere and without the amazon forest the CO2 would remain in the atmosphere
and will contribute to a faster climate change.


How it would never be a problem if you said that it can cause a faster climate change? The food Web can be affected on this case and also you, you can affect also by this even you are not besides amazon forest, not now but soon I think.

The amazon sustains itself and the living things within it. Though the lack of urgency about the fire can make a learned man shake his head, it's hardly going to have a lasting effect on most of us that live away from it. Oxygen mostly comes from those small things in the ocean. I think the title lungs of the earth is romanticized a little too much. Though that doesn't mean it's not as important. A lot of animal lives were lost and that's what breaks my heart more.