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Title: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: GSpgh on October 23, 2019, 02:59:27 PM Hello, everyone who left negative feedback in 2016 was based on 1 incident that they had heard about but were not involved with. The one player who was involved with this issue was satisfactorily compensated and continued to play here. Prior to us contacting everyone who left the negative feedback, there were about 15 of these (all from the one incident). Everyone we spoke to reversed their feedback, except those remaining. Of those remaining, they were either unreachable or demanded money to change their feedback. Thank you. There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG: Zepher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369879) - inactive Blazr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908) - inactive dooglus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420) - active Lutpin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313) - active TwitchySeal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922) - active Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 03:03:56 PM Hello, everyone who left negative feedback in 2016 was based on 1 incident that they had heard about but were not involved with. The one player who was involved with this issue was satisfactorily compensated and continued to play here. Prior to us contacting everyone who left the negative feedback, there were about 15 of these (all from the one incident). Everyone we spoke to reversed their feedback, except those remaining. Of those remaining, they were either unreachable or demanded money to change their feedback. Thank you. There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG: Zepher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369879) - inactive Blazr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908) - inactive dooglus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420) - active Lutpin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313) - active TwitchySeal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922) - active Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe. Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: AB de Royse777 on October 23, 2019, 03:07:40 PM There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. Well you need to post the proof in public. I do not think it's necessary to keep it hidden from the community.Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: LoyceV on October 23, 2019, 03:08:43 PM There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. I'd like to see this proof.Update: Please make it something better than a screenshot! Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Cryptovator on October 23, 2019, 03:11:26 PM There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. Betcoin.AG has sent me a screenshot who asked money. Unfortunately I am on the way and can't read the screenshot since I am on mobile. I will take a look deeply on it if there is really someone asked for money. I am also curious about it and made arguments on gambling section. I will post it if I found something. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 03:13:34 PM There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. I'd like to see this proof.Update: Please make it something better than a screenshot! Please see your DMs Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 23, 2019, 03:13:35 PM I'd like to see this proof. As would I. I'm not going to say I don't believe it, but when an accusation like that is made there really needs to be some evidence presented--for everyone's sake, and especially the forum's. You really don't want DT members pulling shit like that.There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. And you sent it to him because....? Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it.I will post it if I found something. Cool. The accused member ought to have a place to defend himself, too, which is another reason the accusation should be made right out in the sunshine where everyone can make their own conclusions.Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: GSpgh on October 23, 2019, 03:16:13 PM Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. You need to make it clear. Right now basically you're accusing all three of them because it's not clear which one demanded money, if anyone actually did. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: AB de Royse777 on October 23, 2019, 03:19:25 PM And you sent it to him because....? I have the same question too.Quote Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it. It needs to be in public, there are no scope to hide it in PMs.Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: GSpgh on October 23, 2019, 03:23:14 PM And you sent it to him because....? I have the same question too.He was the first who asked about it in the other thread. I also think this should be public as it's a serious accusation. Hopefully it's a mis understanding, maybe spoofed email or not DT member. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: LoyceV on October 23, 2019, 03:27:53 PM And you sent it to him because....? Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it. I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that.I've seen the screenshot. A very short summary: First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site. Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section". The username is cut from the screenshot, but I don't trust screenshots anyway. I suggest to report the PM to an Admin (hilariousandco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164822)?), and ask him to confirm authenticity here. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Cryptovator on October 23, 2019, 03:30:33 PM @The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots. I am the one who had asked him questions about "demand money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195206.msg52852252#msg52852252)". As a result he sent me screenshots. This thread wasn't created that time. But still I can't read it (not clear on mobile) so I have to sit on PC to read it. PM could verified very easily by reporting specific moderators. Provide fake screenshots against DT members will cause more red tag.
I will request to Betcoin.AG post your evidence here, so all DT member will know him and might kick him if proof is solid. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 03:33:50 PM I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that. I've seen the screenshot. A very short summary: First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site. Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section". The username is cut from the screenshot, but I don't trust screenshots anyway. I suggest to report the PM to an Admin (hilariousandco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164822)?), and ask him to confirm authenticity here. To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet. @The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots. I am the one who had asked him questions about "demand money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195206.msg52852252#msg52852252)". As a result he sent me screenshots. This thread wasn't created that time. But still I can't read it (not clear on mobile) so I have to sit on PC to read it. PM could verified very easily by reporting specific moderators. Provide fake screenshots against DT members will cause more red tag. I will request to Betcoin.AG post your evidence here, so all DT member will know him and might kick him if proof is solid. We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: AB de Royse777 on October 23, 2019, 03:34:08 PM First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site. This significant amount rise some question though if it is truly came from the DT user however if the reason is as what you have put in the double quotation mark then the motive seems different than the way it was presented here.Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section". Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe. Edit: To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet. Okay this is next level LOLQuote We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one. You have all my attention now and I am sure others is having the same feeling.Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 23, 2019, 03:36:26 PM I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that. I get that, but my point wasn't Coolcryptovator's credibility but the fact that it was sent in a PM in the first place instead of making it public. If you're going to make an accusation like this, it shouldn't be circulated in PMs because that obviously causes even more problems and delays and frustration.@The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots. Not to worry, I wasn't attacking you in any way. I explained my issue with this in my above post.All of those members are still on DT? Is Lutpin still on DT1/2? I could swear he was removed a while ago, but I haven't been keeping up with who's on the list. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: LoyceV on October 23, 2019, 03:40:33 PM We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. If you don't, your accusation is useless and could look like an excuus to justify your own red trust.If you do, this is a big thing and would probably lead to the user being kicked off DT. That means you have one less red trust on DefaultTrust. All of those members are still on DT? Is Lutpin still on DT1/2? Yes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139250.msg52806363#msg52806363) (to both questions).Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: MFahad on October 23, 2019, 03:47:29 PM We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one. They are asking for bribe to change the feedback. They have destroyed your trust, your business is at stake and still you feel you need to save that person (if there is any). Isn't strange or you are pulling out another drama here ? Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: GSpgh on October 23, 2019, 03:49:51 PM We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one. You already made decision by making this unprovoked public claim today. You are now accusing 3 DT members without proof. If you back out you should probably get some fresh red trust for trying to make your casino look more trustworthy by smearing DT members. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 03:56:59 PM You already made decision by making this unprovoked public claim today. You are now accusing 3 DT members without proof. If you back out you should probably get some fresh red trust for trying to make your casino look more trustworthy by smearing DT members. We definitely have an appreciation of what is at stake here and certainly have no interest in taking away from our reputation. Naturally, the people who make these choices are not always the same people who post on BitcoinTalk, so we ask that you please give us a little time so that we can relay the information to the appropriate desicion-makers. Thank you. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: actmyname on October 23, 2019, 04:00:02 PM It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots.
If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 04:05:21 PM It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots. If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence. The screenshots were sent to 2 trusted members with name redacted, as proof that this incident took place. To publish someone's PM publicly is a much different scenario. Thank you and we will be back to you as soon as possible. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: allindiansuckmycock on October 23, 2019, 04:06:06 PM Hello, everyone who left negative feedback in 2016 was based on 1 incident that they had heard about but were not involved with. The one player who was involved with this issue was satisfactorily compensated and continued to play here. Prior to us contacting everyone who left the negative feedback, there were about 15 of these (all from the one incident). Everyone we spoke to reversed their feedback, except those remaining. Of those remaining, they were either unreachable or demanded money to change their feedback. Thank you. There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG: Zepher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369879) - inactive Blazr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908) - inactive dooglus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420) - active Lutpin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313) - active TwitchySeal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922) - active Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe. Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator. Why you keep sending this proof to Dt member ? They will find a way to defend this dt scammer. You need to post it this on thread. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Cryptovator on October 23, 2019, 04:24:12 PM I just read now the screenshot sent by Betcoin.AG. Not sure if screenshot is real, it should verify by moderators before take any action. I can see there someone asked for xx amount to send his personal wallet. Although he/she had mentioned about "gamble and document every section" but its pretty clear he had asked for bribe. The amount wasn't very small. Fortunately I can't read username since they hide it,
I don't know why Betcoin.AG don't want to reveal that user. You should reveal him otherwise it will increase your tag due to false blame. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on October 23, 2019, 04:44:09 PM It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots. If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence. The screenshots were sent to 2 trusted members with name redacted, as proof that this incident took place. To publish someone's PM publicly is a much different scenario. Thank you and we will be back to you as soon as possible. Screenshotting a PM doesn't prove anything. PMs can easily be manipulated. Send me a PM and I'll show you how easy it is. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 06:32:24 PM After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you.
https://i.imgur.com/iGjRkMF.png EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Cryptovator on October 23, 2019, 06:43:32 PM Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h/51908.html (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h/51908.html)
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PurePwnage (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249509) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=249509) +0 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h/249509.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=PurePwnage)) 6. resUnioC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=510015) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=510015) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h/510015.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=resUnioC)) If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the messgae is not altered.. Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 23, 2019, 06:52:37 PM Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct. We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: LoyceV on October 23, 2019, 07:04:56 PM Thread archived (https://archive.is/ipaf2).
Blazr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908) was last online in January, and last posted in 2016. I can think of 3 possibilities: 1. The screenshot can be fake. 2. Blazr's account might be compromised 3. Blazr might have given up on the forum, and YOLO "nothing to lose". Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: TalkStar on October 23, 2019, 07:28:28 PM We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered. You have done your work from your end and ball is on moderators court now. I hope mods gonna check it from their side soon and that's the best way to get clear idea what exactly happened. Without having confirmation from mods it will not be fair to reach on any decision. 3. Blazr might have given up on the forum, and YOLO "nothing to lose". If this happen then we are going to introduce with another "feedback trade" in the same day. First one is here, scam extortion money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5195361.)Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: TECSHARE on October 23, 2019, 08:25:04 PM I have done some forensic analysis on the screen shot image, and it doesn't appear to be edited. Keep in mind it could have easily been generated in HTML and it wouldn't show up using this analysis method. This is something completely out of character for Blazr, and I am of the opinion that if this message was actually sent, that the Blazr account has been compromised. This is something that could easily be verified by Blazr's inability to sign an old address, but given that they have been inactive this probably isn't going to happen. I will be removing them from my trust list for now until this is resolved one way or the other.
Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: minifrij on October 23, 2019, 08:40:47 PM Well geez, who could have seen it coming. Out of a list of either:
In all seriousness, if this turns out to be true (which could go either way), it shouldn't be a surprise. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: PrimeNumber7 on October 24, 2019, 04:11:44 AM To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Cryptovator on October 24, 2019, 04:28:04 AM To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet. However, I can't go any conclusion until verify PM. I have request to 'hilariousandco' and sent PM for take a look here. Hope we will go to final solution. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: JohnBitCo on October 24, 2019, 04:46:03 AM After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you. EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM The only thing which strikes my mind is why did you hide this information for 10 months. You could have revealed this in Jan 2019, when the incident occurred. Any main reason for this ? Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Lauda on October 24, 2019, 07:14:11 AM You have one chance to guess who controls that account.
*eats popcorn* :) Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: hilariousandco on October 24, 2019, 07:56:02 AM Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct. We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered. I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded. After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you. EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM The only thing which strikes my mind is why did you hide this information for 10 months. You could have revealed this in Jan 2019, when the incident occurred. Any main reason for this ? Yeah. You would have thought this sort of extortion would be made public asap. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Cryptovator on October 24, 2019, 08:25:43 AM Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct. We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered. I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded. Thanks for solved the confusion. I excluded (~Blazr) from my trust list and seems he is no longer on DT network. We don't know exactly about his account if it's been changed hand. But I can't see pass or email changed history on BPIP. So I have decide to leave negative feedback to him by referring this thread, so he would defend himself once he will come online. If other DT's are not agree with my opinion feel free to leave counter feedback's. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: JohnBitCo on October 24, 2019, 09:33:20 AM Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct. We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered. I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded. Thanks for solved the confusion. I excluded (~Blazr) from my trust list and seems he is no longer on DT network. We don't know exactly about his account if it's been changed hand. But I can't see pass or email changed history on BPIP. So I have decide to leave negative feedback to him by referring this thread, so he would defend himself once he will come online. If other DT's are not agree with my opinion feel free to leave counter feedback's. It also means that blazr account hacked or just change ownership (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1510537.msg15194543#msg15194543) has something more to investigate ? Maybe anyone can email him to get his attention on this matter. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Slow death on October 24, 2019, 10:52:22 AM Betcoin.AG why take so long to report this case? What action did you take when you received this PM in January? Did you just ignore the proposal and move on as if nothing had happened?
Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Betcoin.AG on October 24, 2019, 01:01:40 PM Betcoin.AG why take so long to report this case? What action did you take when you received this PM in January? Did you just ignore the proposal and move on as if nothing had happened? It was a topic of discussion at the time it happened, and has continued to be since then. Privacy is very important to this community and we weren't sure of the fallout that would occur from publishing a private message. In hindsight, we see that it is more important to the community to expose a breach of trust. And while we don't expect this sort of thing to happen again, if it did we would certainly come forward sooner. We wish to thank everyone for their support on this matter and are glad it could be resolved. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: GSpgh on October 24, 2019, 01:55:17 PM I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded. I'm kind of relieved it wasn't one of the currently active DT members. Interesting that Blazr has not posted for 3 years but responded to Betcoin's PM. Someone inactive for 3 years should have been removed from DT a long time ago I think, maybe after 1 year? Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 24, 2019, 02:04:43 PM You have one chance to guess who controls that account. Lauda! You're back. Now it's only a matter of time until cryptohunter and his posse of multiple pathological personalities starts ranting again. *eats popcorn* :) I think I know who you have in mind, and it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. I don't even remember the last time I saw the name Blazr, and it is odd that that account would suddenly become embroiled in something like this, an extortion attempt of a gambling site. And yeah, given the inactivity of the account I don't think Blazr should still be on any level of DT. I had a feeling the screenshot wasn't faked (just intuition), and TECSHARE's post just makes that feeling stronger. It's a scammy thing to do, and Blazr should be removed from DT if he hasn't been already. I'm going to ~ him in my trust list. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: AB de Royse777 on October 24, 2019, 03:12:07 PM Blazr should be removed from DT if he hasn't been already. I'm going to ~ him in my trust list. I have done the same (the ~) and not sure what you and Lauda is smoking now :-PTitle: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: FIFA worldcup on October 24, 2019, 03:43:05 PM Now it's only a matter of time until cryptohunter and his posse of multiple pathological personalities starts ranting again. No, We do not want another Pandora box to be opened. Already have enough of these from them and now they have got another point to start trolling again. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on October 24, 2019, 07:19:04 PM Added him to my distrust list as well.
Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Timelord2067 on October 25, 2019, 01:57:00 PM Thread archived (https://archive.is/ipaf2). Blazr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908) was last online in January, and last posted in 2016. I can think of 3 possibilities: 1. The screenshot can be fake. 2. Blazr's account might be compromised 3. Blazr might have given up on the forum, and YOLO "nothing to lose". According to BPIP https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blazr Blazr woke up just in time to receive the message: https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob7d0792128313857d.jpeg Quote 2019-01-11 2:53:16 AM woke up 2019-01-12 2:53:16 AM woke up https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/bloba983c00a5124b43f.jpeg Blazr (or whoever controls the UID) must have had email notifications set up to "wake up" within hours of the message being sent by Betcoin.AG The Blazr UID page was last archive on 25th September 2018 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180925015123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51908) and shows the account was at that point was Quote Last Active: July 06, 2018, 08:54:56 AM How long do you have to be asleep for before the "woke up" flag occurs? Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: actmyname on October 25, 2019, 02:15:43 PM How long do you have to be asleep for before the "woke up" flag occurs? You're considered to have woken up if your last login time is 180+ days ago, and the message remains for 30 days. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Timelord2067 on October 25, 2019, 02:41:03 PM How long do you have to be asleep for before the "woke up" flag occurs? You're considered to have woken up if your last login time is 180+ days ago, and the message remains for 30 days. 6th July 2018 to 11th January 2019 is about 180+ days Then if my hypothesis is correct, Blazr's email (on the UID page) which can be seen by anyone logged in would have to have been hacked along with the BCT account. OR Blazr has gone rogue after-all. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: PrimeNumber7 on October 28, 2019, 06:46:50 AM To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet. However, I can't go any conclusion until verify PM. I have request to 'hilariousandco' and sent PM for take a look here. Hope we will go to final solution. The last posts in Blazr's post history is him addressing indications his account was compromised. He produced a signed message, but maybe someone was able to obtain his private keys. I also noticed that Blazr left his rating about a month after he last posted. Prior to these posts, Blazr had not posted for several months. Maybe in late 2015, Blazr decided he did not want to participate in the forum anymore. I also see a clear effort to hide a potion of Blazr's post history. I don't know if this is because of something nefarious, or to enhance his privacy, or both. I looked at the PM from many different angles, and I don't believe Blazr is someone who should be trusted. It appears that he is trying to sell trust, which perverts the trust system. He specifically said he would use the coin he received to gamble at betcoin, but using the same coin defeats the point of not using test chips. My opinion would be different if Blazr had offered to return the coin, net of any gain or loss after testing various games, and withdrawing. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Timelord2067 on October 29, 2019, 05:52:05 AM Has anyone else noticed that whenever Quickseller seems to speak as though he is familiar with the person at the centre of an accusation all he really does if fill three or four paragraphs with non-sence? ::)
Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: hacker1001101001 on October 29, 2019, 06:08:38 AM Has anyone else noticed that whenever Quickseller seems to speak as though he is familiar with the person at the centre of an accusation all he really does if fill three or four paragraphs with non-sence? ::) Have you noticed he is here from much long time and could have generated a good sort of judgement skills in identifying users here or faces behind a familiar accusation. Afterall, he is one of the most prominent and active "protesters" here. I don't think he fills the spaces with non-sense and he doesn't even control the Blazr's account, as QS would not have that stupid strategies of scamming BTC from an casino, he could have used the account in more harmful ways for sure. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: nutildah on October 29, 2019, 07:03:07 AM Has anyone else noticed that whenever Quickseller seems to speak as though he is familiar with the person at the centre of an accusation all he really does if fill three or four paragraphs with non-sence? ::) Are you inferring that PrimeNumber7 is Quickseller? After doing a quick review of PrimeNumber7's post history, they definitely appear to be the alt of somebody. Their very first post was in Meta, which is a dead giveaway for being an alt. theymos accepting Grin is symbolic more than anything. Grin doesn't appear to be accepted for ad auction payments, which leaves payments for Copper memberships and proxy bans (I am unsure if the later accepts payment via Grin). There are less than 680 copper members wearing their copper membership title. The payments for these memberships could fit into one Bitcoin block, and the copper membership has been available for years. Really -- a first post about theymos and Copper Memberships? Anybody else here mention theymos in their very first post on the forum? Their writing style is rather similar, and they tend to be interested in the same issues (as well as have a habit of poking their head into issues that don't concern them). I apologize if this was already "common knowledge;" its news to me. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Timelord2067 on October 29, 2019, 07:46:34 AM Has anyone else noticed that whenever Quickseller seems to speak as though he is familiar with the person at the centre of an accusation all he really does if fill three or four paragraphs with non-sence? ::) Have you noticed he is here from much long time and could have generated a good sort of judgement skills in identifying users here or faces behind a familiar accusation. Afterall, he is one of the most prominent and active "protesters" here. I don't think he fills the spaces with non-sense and he doesn't even control the Blazr's account, as QS would not have that stupid strategies of scamming BTC from an casino, he could have used the account in more harmful ways for sure. ...and yet he never saw Blazr scamming coming - did he? Ouch that gun-shot to the foot must have hurt... ::) Are you inferring that PrimeNumber7 is Quickseller? Goodness me - did I say that... tut-tut, perish the thought... 8) Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Lauda on October 29, 2019, 09:53:19 AM You have one chance to guess who controls that account. Lauda! You're back. Now it's only a matter of time until cryptohunter and his posse of multiple pathological personalities starts ranting again. *eats popcorn* :) Man up, otherwise you're just worthless bags of meat. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=921 Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: hacker1001101001 on October 29, 2019, 06:41:34 PM ...and yet he never saw Blazr scamming coming - did he? Ouch that gun-shot to the foot must have hurt... ::) I don't think you are reviewing this matter seriously, it looks like passing comments which are like fantasy. But your true heart would knew, QS hopefully has better strategies to hide his accounts, it not an connecting address game anymore. Blazr didn't posted from June 14, 2016, he was last active before more than 180 days, the scammer whoever it is the original owner or impersonator didn't tried to scam publicly but via PM. It was surely pretty unpredictable even to the most active users here. Even none of the details of the profile are changed after they woke up like email or password. This just incline me to think the account is most probably still in control of the real owner, I mean he as already did this before by taking a gap from 2015 to 2016, so he can take interest here again. I don't think this gunshots would hurt someone who has generated thick skin here from years. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 29, 2019, 06:52:25 PM It seems to me that this section is weaker than ever, maybe the army of wanking leftists and "modern-progressive liberals" has finally scaremongered people to refrain from acting. Nah, it's gotten less agressive but I don't think it has anything to do with leftist politics so much as members like you have been gone for a while. The mood definitely shifts when certain members go away.Man up, otherwise you're just worthless bags of meat. Supported. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=921 Are you inferring that PrimeNumber7 is Quickseller? After doing a quick review of PrimeNumber7's post history, they definitely appear to be the alt of somebody. Their very first post was in Meta, which is a dead giveaway for being an alt. Yeah, probably. New members most likely don't have an immediate interest in forum goings-on unless they've been lurking for a while like I did before I registered this account. I just gave 2 merits to Primenumber7 for a post here, since it was a decent one but I'm hoping that account isn't a QS alt. I don't know how many he controls these days.Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Quickseller on October 30, 2019, 03:22:13 AM Has anyone else noticed that whenever Quickseller seems to speak as though he is familiar with the person at the centre of an accusation all he really does if fill three or four paragraphs with non-sence? ::) Have you noticed he is here from much long time and could have generated a good sort of judgement skills in identifying users here or faces behind a familiar accusation. Afterall, he is one of the most prominent and active "protesters" here. I don't think he fills the spaces with non-sense and he doesn't even control the Blazr's account, as QS would not have that stupid strategies of scamming BTC from an casino, he could have used the account in more harmful ways for sure. ...and yet he never saw Blazr scamming coming - did he? Ouch that gun-shot to the foot must have hurt... ::) Quote from: QS The GPG keys he is signing with belong to the "real" blazr. That does not mean much though. The admins are not going to be able to do very much in terms of checking if ownership changed or not because I understand that the "real" blazr was using tor for at least the last year. Considering he was providing signed messages, I am not sure how much more clear I could have been. Title: Re: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback Post by: Timelord2067 on October 30, 2019, 10:17:20 AM Considering he was providing signed messages, I am not sure how much more clear I could have been. Considering this is your first post in this thread ... (it is your first post - isn't it?) ... please don't ass/u/me we read posts of yours in other threads... ::) |
