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Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

I get your point, CW is a scammer who's trying to make everyone believe that he was someone else. The bad thing about it is that he can't even show some proofs that he was Satoshi, why would Satoshi reveal his identity after all those years? is there any specific reason? if that's the case then what is that reason and is that enough to make him hide himself in public? think about it. There are some people who claim themselves as someone else to gain the benefits they wanted particularly the popularity and attention of people. We can't change the fact that it was possible but its better if we just accept the fact that Satoshi is/are the kind of person who wants to live his/their life in a peaceful way.

This has been discussed many times. Here's a couple articles that go over it

https://cointelegraph.com/news/who-is-satoshi-the-hal-finney-dorian-nakamoto-connection
https://medium.com/swlh/the-creator-of-bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto-is-most-likely-this-guy-8723eddb517c

One has to ask though, did Hal put all this effort into faking emails between the two of them? Not likely IMO.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf

And then there's one of the writing analysis things that's been done and doesn't prove anything. Hal did not come up as high on the probability.

https://towardsdatascience.com/stylometric-analysis-satoshi-nakamoto-294926cdf995

The only thing that's clear to me based on his own actions, is that it's highly likely CW is not Satoshi.

Exactly.

Another question - what do you think the point would be of Craig Wright becoming public about all this?
Maybe the marketing of Bitcoin SV?

Craig is a clown and nothnig more. Real satoshi will prove itself via crypto key

I think Satoshi covered his tracks for a good reason. I don't think he would have any reason to come out and tell us who he really is.

CW is absolutely a liar, but he seems know who is the real Satoshi.

Hal Finney? I don't care If he is the real Satoshi or a friend to Satoshi. I don't know what's the point of finding the real Satoshi tho.

Satoshi, himself has invented Bitcoin and offered freedom to anyone. Why would we need to know his privacy and disclose him to public? He has right to keep hiding, it's his freedom. So, just let him be Satoshi.

Craig Scammer started his scam recently (mainly in 2017) which is 3 years after Hal Finney's death so it wasn't exactly right away. and his intentions have always been clear as his scam is a very obvious one even though some people try to keep their head in the sand!

as for Hal Finney being Satoshi, i don't think so because he had communications with Satoshi and if he were Satoshi that would make him a crazy person communicating with himself and that doesn't match the profile. why would he create Satoshi and then also get involved with bitcoin and communicate with it as if to somone else.

There is no question that Craig Wright is a certified and convicted liar (according to a court case) and he is claiming to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto so he can gain the fame, recognition and riches that he has been aiming for all his life. He already got what he wanted and now he is bent to make sure that all people in the Bitcoin community will bow to him and look at him as the genuine one. That will never happen because here in this community we are not all for deciets and we are not that idiots.

As for your proposition that Hal Finney was actually the real Satoshi Nakamoto based on some grounds which you just enumerated, I think that can need more investigations and I think this has been talked a lot here and in other platforms too. From what I read somewhere (or is it here in this forum?), Hal denied being the Satoshi and for now barring concrete evidence I would prefer to believe his own words.

CW is not satoshi
hal is not satoshi

CW didnt even come onto the scene until 2015 but was scamming related to btc since ~2011(creating the no collateral tulip trust)
CW had no connection to hal.. i think your mixing people up
CW friend was not hals friend but daves friend
heres dave                            heres hal
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/Dave_Kleiman_website_photo.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/52/Hal_Finney_%28computer_scientist%29.jpg/220px-Hal_Finney_%28computer_scientist%29.jpg
2 different people
CW didnt dox himself until after daves death.. again unrelated to hal completely

hal was hal using his own username and writing his own code in his own style and was talking to satoshi and helping satoshi debug the code

also:
hal was definetly interested in money. all the cypherpunks were.
hal especially because he wanted to leave his family set for life with a healthy nest egg(as most dying people do when thinking about family). at the time he didnt know if bitcoiin would be that nest egg but he was also interested in making sound money that could change the world and give people(and family) a means of monetary freedom away from government support.

come on. its just common knowledge when someone gets bad news the main thing that motivates people is thinking about their family and others. its called leaving a nest egg or a legacy, inheritance.
only the most immoral/callus people would go on a spending spree using up all their life savings and leaving the family to be supported by government welfare/support.

seems this topic creator knows nothing of the basics
but back to my point

CW is not satoshi
hal is not satoshi
satoshi is satoshi
hal was just hal who helped satoshi
CW is just scammer who helped himself create fraud against australian government and private investors

I believe that pretty much everyone agrees that Craig Wright is a liar, but I don't think that Finney was Satoshi either. First BTC transaction was sent to Finney, if memory serves, and I don't believe that Satoshi would just send the money to himself and reveal his identity along the way. It might be a reverse psychology type of thing, but I'm not buying it.

Craig Wright, he really is a shameless con artist who convinces people that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto and strangely he has no hard evidence about bitcoin how people can trust him. Honestly, I prefer that Finney claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto because we know that Finney is a scientist. he is a computer expert and he got the smartest award in computer science that maybe he has collaborated with real satoshi nakamoto to make the bitcoin protocol.

hal never claimed to be satoshi.. no ifs or maybes.. 100% no claim
hal did help satoshi.. no ifs or maybes.. 100% proof of help

Give or take, I suppose Hal Finney may have the slightest possibility of being Satoshi Nakamoto himself until proven otherwise.

But on the case of CSW, there is zero possibility of him being Bitcoin's creator not until he can sign those early address(s) used by Satoshi Nakamoto himself. :)

Definitely not Hal. If you look at Satoshi's posts on Bitcointalk, you can see Satoshi talking to Hal saying things like "Thanks, Hal, it means a lot hearing it from you". One has to be too pathetic to make two accounts and talk to oneself like that. As for Craig, I don't know, it seems ridiculous to me. He's clearly one of the early users and probably interacted with Satoshi one way or another, but he is a jerk, and hopefully, Satoshi is not. And besides, for now he did not provide strong evidence that he's Satoshi even to the court. Dave Kleiman - now, that seems more likely to be true. Although I sincerely hope Satoshi is alive and well, quietly enjoying living without drawing too much attention.

OP, please remove the charlatan, Craig Wright's name beside Hal Finney's name. You're giving Hal's name AIDS by putting him near it. "Craig Wright", and "being Satoshi" should not be in a sentence. Hahaha.

The real Satoshi will be that individual who uses his private key and transfers some Bitcoin. All others are clown and are making fool of themselves. For now It is still a mystery and i think will always remain one.

There is no question that Hal helped during the initial stages of the bitcoin development and there are many communications between Satoshi and Hal and this forum has witnessed many communication between them, either he has some mental issues to create two accounts to communicate with two accounts which is highly unlikely.

That is the broader picture, the development is taken care when after he left the project a long time ago and hence if anyone has to prove something they know how to provide the proof and proof is everything in cryptography.

Here's a nice little read from Hal himself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0

Craig Wright is an impostor and for me is gross to see that guy acting like he is Satoshi. I think Hal Finney was just a colaborator of Satoshi Nakamoto and not the man itself or maybe Satoshi is a group of highly intelectual people and he was part of them. But one thing I hate on this world are scammers and impostors, I think they have no higher scope of life, their sole goal is to make money and enjoy the so called "pleasures", but they won't ever understand that they have dumped their spiritual part away by choosing that life.

Craig Wright is a big lier, nothing else, everyone knows that. Like him, we have seen many people who claimed them as Satoshi. But we know Satoshi won't talk too much to prove himself, all who claimed as a Satoshi, they were greedy and dishonest people!

You have a point OP "Only dead man can ignore this fame and money" so maybe Satoshi is dead years ago! But I don't think Hal Finny was that great man! Though there was lots of analyzing, review, calculation about Hal Finney being Satoshi! Satoshi came from most likely Japan, not from the USA! Personally, I think maybe we saw the real satoshi, but he did not claim it! Maybe he did not want this fame like John Snow said thousands of times "I don't want it"

Everyone knows that Craig Wright is just a list, claiming to be what he has s bit, just deceiving gullible minds. It amazes me seeing him posing as Satoshi all the time, worst of it, his followers are blindly following and believe in him.


These are careful analysis, but I still don't believe that it validates Hal Finney as the real Satoshi. Bitcoin must have been created by a team of persons, Hal might be a part of the team and not just the sole creator.

Sorry  ;D

Many people who claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto are not only Craig Wright, but Craig Wright is the most viral because he claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto and he has a hobby of creating controversy from time to time even though everyone knows the figure of Craig Wright but he doesn't care.
and I also assume that Hal Finney is also not Satoshi Nakamoto.

Nope. Not Craig Wright. Let's get over him because he's not the real Satoshi. The more we include his name with bitcoin, it only means he's succeeding getting everyone's attention.
If Hal Finney is the real Satoshi, he should've said it or left a message before he died. I know Satoshi wants to hide his identity but he should've told the world before he died just to give credits to his work. And he never really claimed to be Satoshi so it's still hard to make assumptions.

"Craig Wright - Lying about Hal Finney once more. 🤦‍♂️

Craig recently claimed in public that "cypherpunk-affiliated developers like Hal Finney held patents".

Nope. It's a lie, Craig. A few of Hal's emails are referenced in 8 patents, that's all. But he had no patents himself."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1187762788430684166

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"Craig Wright - Do. Not. F*ck. With. Hal. Finney.

After putting his shit on the Bitcoin legacy of OGs like @marttimalmi, he's now going after Hal Finney.

Don't do that, Craig. You're making a #Faketoshi fool of yourself again."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1173953365342117893

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The  #faketoshi  fraud  TIMELINE
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/mylegacykit.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/ponsdeserres.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/jimmy007forsure.html

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R.I.P. Hal.

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They're Dead Dave - Red Dwarf - BBC
- https://youtu.be/6Hrwut2dV0k

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- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148607.msg51291248#msg51291248

 I'm not sure who craig wright really is but I'm certain that he isn't Mr. Satoshi, for sure. Like you had said, why take all of the trouble to conceal ones own identity then all of the sudden rush into the spot light to claim the fame (infamy in Craig's case)?
  Why make blockchain open source at all, why didn't he try to sell the idea off? I don't think Hal or Craig is the creator.

This theory has been discussed countless of times here in this forum and on reddit, also on IRC if you peeps are still onto that so this isn't something new.


Maybe Hal doesn't personally need the money on his own but he openly stated that he left some bitcoins for the safety/security of his family in the future should bitcoin reach insane heights. He's a true cypherpunk and a believer of anarchy, and at the same time a dedicated volunteer for bitcoin, but that IMO isn't enough of a reason why he could be satoshi.



He's just feeding his ego with all these talks. I'm still waiting for him to actually cause some serious damage to bitcoin which, to my dismay, hasn't happened yet.

I still don't understand why Satoshi conceals his true identity to date. Many people are now confused when it comes to who is satoshi. Nobody will hold satoshi accountable for creating the bitcoin. It's really bad to see people like Dr. Craig Wrigh claiming to satoshi and so on. He should have present himself a long time ago. If you look at the Ethereum creator Vitalic Buterin nothing has happened to him, here is open to people and enjoying life.

I agree with your first part of it, I don't there is any way that Craigh Wright would be satoshi, he's currently fighting a case that proves he is Satoshi and his last defence is that he has coffee covered stained papers that explain biitcon in it.

There's a chance that Hal is satoshi, he definelty has that welcoming and overall nice personality and he's shown aspects that satoshi would have shown, like being hidden and not money driven, ectc.

I personally think satoshi is a 3rd person in this equation, but that is just me.

Craig Wright=total dumbass so leave him alone and never put it him in the basket.
Hal Finney is dedicated team of Satoshi. How many times did I thought about Hal being Satoshi and realized that he isn't after so many profs that he is not. His statements here indicates that Satoshi is a different person and not him. Silly me, I also thought before that Theymos is Satoshi which just proves me wrong.

It's not really a big deal now. As long as we recognize Satoshi by heart as a Founder of this bitcoin. Then it doesn't really matter if Satoshi wanted to stay anonymous forever.