Thoughts on Hal Finney/Craig Wright being Satoshi?

[AtomicLemon_]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

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[Baby Dragon]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

I get your point, CW is a scammer who's trying to make everyone believe that he was someone else. The bad thing about it is that he can't even show some proofs that he was Satoshi, why would Satoshi reveal his identity after all those years? is there any specific reason? if that's the case then what is that reason and is that enough to make him hide himself in public? think about it. There are some people who claim themselves as someone else to gain the benefits they wanted particularly the popularity and attention of people. We can't change the fact that it was possible but its better if we just accept the fact that Satoshi is/are the kind of person who wants to live his/their life in a peaceful way.

[Viper1]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

This has been discussed many times. Here's a couple articles that go over it

https://cointelegraph.com/news/who-is-satoshi-the-hal-finney-dorian-nakamoto-connection
https://medium.com/swlh/the-creator-of-bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto-is-most-likely-this-guy-8723eddb517c

One has to ask though, did Hal put all this effort into faking emails between the two of them? Not likely IMO.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf

And then there's one of the writing analysis things that's been done and doesn't prove anything. Hal did not come up as high on the probability.

https://towardsdatascience.com/stylometric-analysis-satoshi-nakamoto-294926cdf995

The only thing that's clear to me based on his own actions, is that it's highly likely CW is not Satoshi.

[AtomicLemon_]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

I get your point, CW is a scammer who's trying to make everyone believe that he was someone else. The bad thing about it is that he can't even show some proofs that he was Satoshi, why would Satoshi reveal his identity after all those years? is there any specific reason? if that's the case then what is that reason and is that enough to make him hide himself in public? think about it. There are some people who claim themselves as someone else to gain the benefits they wanted particularly the popularity and attention of people. We can't change the fact that it was possible but its better if we just accept the fact that Satoshi is/are the kind of person who wants to live his/their life in a peaceful way.

Exactly.

Another question - what do you think the point would be of Craig Wright becoming public about all this?
Maybe the marketing of Bitcoin SV?

[coiningz]

Craig is a clown and nothnig more. Real satoshi will prove itself via crypto key

[AtomicLemon_]

Craig is a clown and nothnig more. Real satoshi will prove itself via crypto key

I think Satoshi covered his tracks for a good reason. I don't think he would have any reason to come out and tell us who he really is.

[rijaljun]

CW is absolutely a liar, but he seems know who is the real Satoshi.

Hal Finney? I don't care If he is the real Satoshi or a friend to Satoshi. I don't know what's the point of finding the real Satoshi tho.

Satoshi, himself has invented Bitcoin and offered freedom to anyone. Why would we need to know his privacy and disclose him to public? He has right to keep hiding, it's his freedom. So, just let him be Satoshi.

[pooya87]

Craig Scammer started his scam recently (mainly in 2017) which is 3 years after Hal Finney's death so it wasn't exactly right away. and his intentions have always been clear as his scam is a very obvious one even though some people try to keep their head in the sand!

as for Hal Finney being Satoshi, i don't think so because he had communications with Satoshi and if he were Satoshi that would make him a crazy person communicating with himself and that doesn't match the profile. why would he create Satoshi and then also get involved with bitcoin and communicate with it as if to somone else.

[CryptoBry]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

There is no question that Craig Wright is a certified and convicted liar (according to a court case) and he is claiming to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto so he can gain the fame, recognition and riches that he has been aiming for all his life. He already got what he wanted and now he is bent to make sure that all people in the Bitcoin community will bow to him and look at him as the genuine one. That will never happen because here in this community we are not all for deciets and we are not that idiots.

As for your proposition that Hal Finney was actually the real Satoshi Nakamoto based on some grounds which you just enumerated, I think that can need more investigations and I think this has been talked a lot here and in other platforms too. From what I read somewhere (or is it here in this forum?), Hal denied being the Satoshi and for now barring concrete evidence I would prefer to believe his own words.

[franky1]

maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

CW is not satoshi
hal is not satoshi

CW didnt even come onto the scene until 2015 but was scamming related to btc since ~2011(creating the no collateral tulip trust)
CW had no connection to hal.. i think your mixing people up
CW friend was not hals friend but daves friend
heres dave                            heres hal

2 different people
CW didnt dox himself until after daves death.. again unrelated to hal completely

hal was hal using his own username and writing his own code in his own style and was talking to satoshi and helping satoshi debug the code

also:
hal was definetly interested in money. all the cypherpunks were.
hal especially because he wanted to leave his family set for life with a healthy nest egg(as most dying people do when thinking about family). at the time he didnt know if bitcoiin would be that nest egg but he was also interested in making sound money that could change the world and give people(and family) a means of monetary freedom away from government support.

come on. its just common knowledge when someone gets bad news the main thing that motivates people is thinking about their family and others. its called leaving a nest egg or a legacy, inheritance.
only the most immoral/callus people would go on a spending spree using up all their life savings and leaving the family to be supported by government welfare/support.

seems this topic creator knows nothing of the basics
but back to my point

CW is not satoshi
hal is not satoshi
satoshi is satoshi
hal was just hal who helped satoshi
CW is just scammer who helped himself create fraud against australian government and private investors

[jootn2kx]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

I believe that pretty much everyone agrees that Craig Wright is a liar, but I don't think that Finney was Satoshi either. First BTC transaction was sent to Finney, if memory serves, and I don't believe that Satoshi would just send the money to himself and reveal his identity along the way. It might be a reverse psychology type of thing, but I'm not buying it.

[bounceback]

CW is absolutely a liar, but he seems know who is the real Satoshi.

Hal Finney? I don't care If he is the real Satoshi or a friend to Satoshi. I don't know what's the point of finding the real Satoshi tho.

Satoshi, himself has invented Bitcoin and offered freedom to anyone. Why would we need to know his privacy and disclose him to public? He has right to keep hiding, it's his freedom. So, just let him be Satoshi.

Craig Wright, he really is a shameless con artist who convinces people that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto and strangely he has no hard evidence about bitcoin how people can trust him. Honestly, I prefer that Finney claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto because we know that Finney is a scientist. he is a computer expert and he got the smartest award in computer science that maybe he has collaborated with real satoshi nakamoto to make the bitcoin protocol.

[franky1]

I prefer that Finney claims to be Satoshi Nakamoto because we know that Finney is a scientist. he is a computer expert and he got the smartest award in computer science that maybe he has collaborated with real satoshi nakamoto to make the bitcoin protocol.

hal never claimed to be satoshi.. no ifs or maybes.. 100% no claim
hal did help satoshi.. no ifs or maybes.. 100% proof of help

[lobat999]

Give or take, I suppose Hal Finney may have the slightest possibility of being Satoshi Nakamoto himself until proven otherwise.

But on the case of CSW, there is zero possibility of him being Bitcoin's creator not until he can sign those early address(s) used by Satoshi Nakamoto himself.

[kryptqnick]

Hello everyone! I have some interesting thoughts to put forward about Hal Finney being Satoshi. (I don't know if they are new or not)

I would say that Craig Wright is a liar and maybe Hal Finney is the creator of Bitcoin because:

* Hal Finney died because of complications with ALS in 2014. (Bitcoin was created in 2009)
* Only a dying person has no interest in fame or money and that is why he hid is name and worked for a greater cause, to revolutionise and discourage centralised banking systems.
* Why would someone like Craig Wright try to be 100% private and then all of a sudden become public? He also only became public AFTER Hal Finney's death.

Definitely not Hal. If you look at Satoshi's posts on Bitcointalk, you can see Satoshi talking to Hal saying things like "Thanks, Hal, it means a lot hearing it from you". One has to be too pathetic to make two accounts and talk to oneself like that. As for Craig, I don't know, it seems ridiculous to me. He's clearly one of the early users and probably interacted with Satoshi one way or another, but he is a jerk, and hopefully, Satoshi is not. And besides, for now he did not provide strong evidence that he's Satoshi even to the court. Dave Kleiman - now, that seems more likely to be true. Although I sincerely hope Satoshi is alive and well, quietly enjoying living without drawing too much attention.

[Wind_FURY]

OP, please remove the charlatan, Craig Wright's name beside Hal Finney's name. You're giving Hal's name AIDS by putting him near it. "Craig Wright", and "being Satoshi" should not be in a sentence. Hahaha.

[pakhitheboss]

The real Satoshi will be that individual who uses his private key and transfers some Bitcoin. All others are clown and are making fool of themselves. For now It is still a mystery and i think will always remain one.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Give or take, I suppose Hal Finney may have the slightest possibility of being Satoshi Nakamoto himself until proven otherwise.

There is no question that Hal helped during the initial stages of the bitcoin development and there are many communications between Satoshi and Hal and this forum has witnessed many communication between them, either he has some mental issues to create two accounts to communicate with two accounts which is highly unlikely.

But on the case of CSW, there is zero possibility of him being Bitcoin's creator not until he can sign those early address(s) used by Satoshi Nakamoto himself.

That is the broader picture, the development is taken care when after he left the project a long time ago and hence if anyone has to prove something they know how to provide the proof and proof is everything in cryptography.

[Viper1]

Here's a nice little read from Hal himself.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0

[ChrisPop]

Craig Wright is an impostor and for me is gross to see that guy acting like he is Satoshi. I think Hal Finney was just a colaborator of Satoshi Nakamoto and not the man itself or maybe Satoshi is a group of highly intelectual people and he was part of them. But one thing I hate on this world are scammers and impostors, I think they have no higher scope of life, their sole goal is to make money and enjoy the so called "pleasures", but they won't ever understand that they have dumped their spiritual part away by choosing that life.