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Scammers don't have to give huge promises anymore, believe me they are among us and they know how smart investors have become too, they always reshape their tactics, now projects don't have to give too good offers because they know people are aware that too good to be real offers are scam, honestly scammers are not idiots

People keep saying good projects always have good team and brilliant ideas to solve crypto issues, who tell you that scammers can't deliver all this?

if they are not smart, they are not scammers, but that does not mean smart people are scammers, usually scammers have a solid team to promote their projects out, sometimes they dare to pay a large enough cost to catch more investors, like inviting famous people in crypto or make a poster photo meeting with important people in crypto which even though it just happened to ask for a photo, this often happens and it looks funny, they know the weaknesses of people in the crypto world that is giving them dreams of getting rich quick, because honestly I have the principle that we will never be rich without working hard, unfortunately those who are stuck on scam projects do not have this principle, so they are always tempted to get rich quick, weak people like this who are easily fooled

Just how many of us evolve or adapt to changes, they too have to adjust. It's like a game and whoever has more knowledge has the edge. People often gets scammed because of their ignorance and their greed.

Well, there are different levels of scammers and many of them are still idiots.

I mean, those are good metrics to gauge whether a team is sincere and whether the project has potential. But they are just two of the many things to consider before investing. 

I don't know anyone who said that scammers can't come up with a good project and will use it to scam in the end. Like I said above, there are different level of scammers.

Scammers also changes their strategy how to trick people or how to make them fall in their traps, that is why a lot of investors and bounty hunters already gave up from participating in new projects nowadays because it is worthless, so it is better to focus in other things to earn more crypto like joining in signature campaign, trading and so on.

The fact is that a scammer is very cunning and clever, only an ignorant and inexperienced investor is trapped in a scammer project. I'm surprised lately that crypto-world is filled with scammers, and is crypto not held by legitimate people and giving new ideas? I'm overwhelmed at the moment, fighting scammers is difficult.
and of the thousands of altcoins that exist, only a few are showing crypto-world, other than that it fails. and no wonder too, lately a lot of projects are filled with manipulation and this is also my opinion of cunning scammers. right now I'm away from it all, and only focus on the famous bitcoin and altcoin.

the funny thing is that even scammers now have a good team. and if they collect a large amount of money, then they can immediately turn out to be scammers and run away with the money. This is a paradox. from the early beginning, it is very difficult to understand what kind of project team will be. I saw many projects in which there were weak teams but then they brought me a large amount of profit

And they are getting smarter everyday. They present themselves flawlessly, sometimes they seem even more reliable than a real project.
It's better to know about the project and the people involved beforehand or personally. Anything on the internet cannot be fully trusted.
Even something as regulatory license should be verified and while paying online, you should also be sure you are going through the right channel.

Yes, Scammer is the evil smarter. They have more ways to scam target.
There are many types of scams that many occur in this crypto world. As is often the case, this is a phising scam. There are many type of phising like a fake website, fake airdrop, fake project, and many more.

Of course, if there is no longer any scamer, but until now fraud / scams still occur, many projects still fail, this indicates they are still hanging around
you must stay alert.
minimize the opportunity for scamer so they don't increase.

I consider scammers to be in the lower category of hackers. Scammers consistently try to scam others by bring a new way of scamming people every time.
Scammers scam people > People get aware > People prevent from such scams > Scammers bring new method of scamming
and that's how the cycle goes on and on. 

They are basically doing social engineering, similar to hacker techniques, and they can be only successful if their victims are less bright then themselves and preferably uneducated.

This is why they try to isolate their victims with pm messages. Scamming is way harder in open forum where there are smarter people around.

Scammers are actually smart else they cannot get even a single penny from anyone's wallet, its we who need to be more smart than scammers. I think with the evolution of IEO scam projects have been controlled a bit but it still need more filtration. As mentioned somewhere in this thread that scammers are now hiring a good team and even investing on their marketing part to lure more and more investors so it is difficult to identify them in the beginning there must developed something to filter such scam projects, the crypto community really needs to do something for it.

Scammers do not have good times, we can see it on number of successful ICOs. People are morr cautious about investing and that is very important for further crypto adoption.  8)

I don't know why they became scammer. But I've seen a lot of good and smart projects that have become scammer, maybe because they're lazy with development work or they are greedy. Nowadays we should not focus on new projects because there are so many scammer, we can hardly distinguish them. Even the new IEO projects at Okex have become a scammer, the largest exchange in this market

How else scammers are gonna get their crypto, they need to innovate to get people into their trap. crypto users get scam less as time goes by because of their experience and knowledge, it's not surprising tbh. mostly naive crypto investor will likely to get scammed now because alot of people already experienced hyip, cloud mining and other shit.

Of course scammers are smart people or people who know how the current situation is and how they take the opportunity to fool many people and then can benefit from it and I think there are no stupid scammers, they always have their own tactics to be able to tricking many people and for me personally stupid people who only invest because of other people's opinions, they are the right target for scammers.

I think you could avoid this kind of thing in my opinion, we experience and knowledge I think I could say that I can easily track something that is not right in this project.
Surely if you don't want to get scam just do not put your money in risk or in some kind of websites that are not yet trusted by a lot of users,
Also surely a lot of scammers are adjusting since those old scam trick are already compromised so I think it is normal for them to think of other ways.

I think you are right, some ICO project that look promising, sometime not like what people expect. Maybe in my mind for now is, investor must think like investor, good or not the project, no one force them to make investment. if lose, it is their risk. Maybe like that, because although we warn other people, but sometime they keep do what they think it is good for them.

with a little social engineering that blends what prospective participants and investors want, they can get it all.

create projects with good quality weights, website views that are enhanced with interesting concepts, facilitate earning requirements that are very easy for campaign participants and airdrops, increase investor bonuses when Ico runs, and even take kyc for free without anyone refusing. The last thing is to say a dramatic farewell by writing "soon"

Yes, scammers always have a way to do that in their projects with new tactics, even the current trend even scammers can still take the opportunity to deceive people.
It's not that I don't believe in new projects but sometimes new projects lead to scammers and it hurts us after knowing at the end, so scammers always have a strategy to get a lot of smitten with what scammers offer.

These is the criteria to find good investment,  that scammers alresdy adopted

Use cases,
Real products,
Transparent team,

Active and many more that scammers also use this and also victim many investors money like miracletele. And many more. So ICO campaign now a days are very risky

Of course they are among us. They are not that smart as you think though because they can easily find a job that they don't need to scam investors, just look at the scam accusation threads (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) in the forum to see how many of them are caught. They are probably doing the same thing over and over and still got caught. Some of them are just employing to create their website and ERC token in fiverr too.

It's always the fight between the good and evil. And where there is money involved, larger would be the scams. It's not just in crypto. The thing that makes it easier for them to scam with crypto is their chance of being caught and brought to justice are negligible while they scam using crypto and remaining anonymous. The only way to be sure about a project is actually realizing how fulfiling the promise is and have a look at at-least a demonstration of what the team are capable of.

gee , that is the popular preference of investors but they didnt know that scammers already infested this preferences  .

 now what are we going to do now when its almost impossible to detect or to avoid a scam project ? i guess the best possible way to avoid them is to avoid newer ico or simillar kind of investment just to be safe and divert your attention to some verified and 100 percent legit assets like cryptocurrencies ( ex. btc , eth , ltc and alike )  .

Scammers are still going to find ways to victimize investors because they are living in think kind of practice. So no one is safe in the ICO today and if we don't want to be victimized by these, we would rather avoid it. And let's invest in bitcoin or reputable coins so that we can be sure that our hard-earned money won't fall victim to it.

All the scammers believe that they are cleverer than anything.  ;D :P They get fooled by the experts  ;D ;D ;D

This was supposed to happen as we the bounty hunters just follow any trend like sheep because initially, hunters don't used to join those campaigns wherein the bounty pool was not good and then all those highly paying bounties turned out to be a scam hence by default users started assuming that the bounties offering high stakes are scams and scammers used it as their new tactics by offering lesser than average stakes to gain user's trust to join their campaigns.

Yes they can and I have one proof one example is Bitmillex, after their ICO and delivering their coins to investors and promoters they are nowhere to be found, and to think they do webinars and conferences and very visible another one is Weidex, who until now are not giving investors money, I just forget these projects because they just made me disappointed.

manipulation will always be there and one of them is a scammer who certainly has a way to mess up a free investment system like in this crypto. but I'm sure every investor has a way of distinguishing original projects from fraudulent projects

Of course, you have to be smart to become a scammer. You cannot scam anyone who is smarter than you, can you?

It is getting harder to spot scammers. You cannot just rely on initial input like projects, white papers, documents and the people behind them. You have to see them react in telegram and how they communicate. But still, you cannot 100% spot scammers from legit.

I think that scammers are having a hard times these past few months because crypto investors are getting smarter as time goes by but for sure those scammer won't stop and always create new tricks in able to catch their victims. Scammers will always exist even in real life or crypto space and it will be hard to stop them but we can lessen their earnings if we gets smarter as well or keep learning about their new tricks.

Yes, they really are becoming intelligent and creative. Even the criminals out there, hackers, and such. Improvements isn't always a good thing, as long as we can on progressing such people frauds, and scammers are also making their own way in order to keep in such improvement. We have to admit it, and anyway they all keep on relyin' on one perspective, if we can discovered as early as we could I am pretty sure we can avoid such people.

Scammers are smart enough to make new tactics to make the public believe them. These people keep on reading the minds of the public who have little knowledge about cryptocurrency and are much interested in learning more about cryptocurrencies and the way it can make a change. When scammers can make themselves as smart on different things why can't we create awareness and make people to secure the funds.

These things can be sorted out easily, if the investors understand the risk when you invest in a raw project who promises something different but no guarantee how that can be achieved or whether that can be achieved then the investors will think twice about investing in the project simply because of the risk involved and unless there is strict regulation and transparency i hope the investors stay away from these projects and then the scammers will die off from this market altogether.

I see that you are advertising some project, have you done the research about it :P.

Nobody said that scammers are idiots, because you need a lot of effort to create a scam project, the bigger problem is that 90 percent of investors are the same idiots that are investing in all projects without even a simple check.

First of all, if the promises are too ambitious we should understand either they have plans to run away or simply it is incapable by the team. Greedy always is an issue and people are suffering just because of that greed.

in my country, the con artists are educated people with a good education degree.. at this time we are required to be more vigilant and not easily attracted with sweet promises.  they (the scammers) take advantage of our greed side (usually the deceived are those who want to get rich quick). so control yourself not to be easily tempted by sweet promises.

I don't think scammers need to even be that clever. They just need a small amount to invest and zero morals. You just buy a ready-made website and customize it without any need to even know html. You can find out how to make a smart contract for distribution or even use a service that does it for you. Then you need a small amount of advertising to attract bounty idiots. This all costs less then $100 and you have a fully working scam just waiting for idiots to invest. People who fall for this shit are morons and scammers just do the same thing over and over and people still fall for it. You still get bitcoin doublers.

indeed who says if scamers are stupid, we all know and realize that scamers always have a way to fool every victim. It is important for anyone to be more careful, because scamers have smart brains, they are around us and always attack victims who have large amounts of assets.

As time goes by, I'm sure scammers will develop and will not run in place, they always look for the slightest gap to launch the action, so we should also increase our awareness of the threat of scammers, and hopefully investors will not be swayed by the tactics carried out by scammers

Scammer have good teamas as well, so what they did that look profesional and make people didn't expect that is a trap. The more they have new strategies, we must learn and if we can tell anyone else to ignore them.

not something that is really smart, just know its weaknesses and make it attractive to investors in my opinion does not mean smart. sometimes investors make investments because they are in a hurry without more research so that they are easily trapped, if the scammer is really smart then I'm sure in the "scam accusations" board now it will be empty without listing any of the indicated projects

You're right. Fraudsters learn from their mistakes and will certainly do everything to get their success. However, no matter how they improve their ability to deceive, the community will sooner or later be able to figure them out and bring them to clean water. I already wrote that it’s hard to identify fraudsters at the initial stage and this of course complicates the work, but thanks to this forum and its participants, fraudsters are taken to clean water.

scamers one of the biggest problems in the digital industry, especially in the cryptoqurrency industry, they know that crypto is a field of money, so scamers always have a way or a gap to run the action here. but I'm sure scamers also have a weak spot and are not fully successful in carrying out all the actions.

Many new altcoins could be either scams or just bad ideas that are going to fail.  Either way, you have to do your research before investing or you risk losing money.

The weak spot is that they are not the only smart guys in crypto, someone out there are just busting them away by pointing out their flaws like the plagiarized whitepaper and fake team members which most of them had been reported to have scam accusations. When they are tagged by DT and will try to explain that's when you see they aren't smart after all.  How can a smart scammer upload a picture of a popular celebrity as their team member?

This is a serious issue facing us all around cryptosphere. We should all be careful when investing in any project cos this days it's quite difficult to dictate a scammed project without thorough research. Scammers are getting wiser each passing day

That is why some of them would have already executed their projects, finish up with the fundraising and go as far as listing on exchange. At that point, they would have also sold more and the aftermath of it will he an outright effacing.  Even if scammers are proving to know how to scammer, investors are also discovering them.

They are reengineering their tactics of scamming people. Yes, that sounds true and I think that they will recreate something which will attract investors to bite their bait.

With the popularity of staking, I guess they'll go on with it and take the advantage of people who want to invest into staking coins. It requires a certain amount of coin, it's not actually a new technique they have but before investing please research diligently.

You are absolutely right. Scammers have been developing along with the market. If they were weak, they would have been stuck somewhere in the past. But, check out today's crypto market, the scammers have developed so much in this regard that we have trouble choosing the good ones. Always need to be careful, we have seen many scam projects that gained people's trust.

they build a website system that tries to make a scam by utilizing traders who are desperate and fed up with market conditions they will offer projects that turned out to be just to influence it to get stuck in the project, trading or investing must be able to be careful.

There's nothing but deep research and luck. As how the OP stated the capabilities of scammers, they are just around studying how to perfectly perform their intentions to runaway with the free money that they'll going to takeaway from victims that will continue to patronize what they've created. The industry have a high risk, without keeping your eyes opened and let your instincts to guide you scammers are everywhere.

Not all of them are smart most of them are caught, do check the scam sections, some of them are caught even in a simple thing like including people who has a fake account on Linkedin, yes they do get better and better but there not all of them, it really is safe to just not invest in ICO at all and save all the hassle.

Yes it is really a scammer can give it all, yet it is very easy to distinguish scammers with people who are truly knowledgeable about making a real true project. But can not be in the undeniable famous people and well-known projects could have been doing fraud because it was trimmed a problem or did want to take a run out of their money like some dev that runs over their own market and exit scam.

I guess it's part of the evolution, we have grown from putting our money to doing basic research and they have started new ways to scam more. There are still dumb investors and stupid scammers but of course the community has changed now.

Kind of laughed a bit at that.
Yes!!! Very true. I agree with all of my might.
They can do it all. But remember, there will always be holes and so does legitimate projects.
Now, if you question them about that then, you will see if they are serious with what they are doing.
Scammers wont do that. They are just too greedy they want the money in an instant and dont want to think about it.

If everything is settled they won't care anymore. This is why telegram groups should also be opened to all investors. Ask them anything.

It's to be expected that the scammers will become more sneaky and at the same time people are becoming more aware. but see at the positive side nowadays scammer could only scam some people who are really greedy and not those who think using their logic. currently scammers are having a hard time dealing with all the prevention measures applied to most of exchanges like KYC and moreover people are less trusting toward ICO with no legitimacy or approval from the government. though that might hurt the decentralized side a little.

If scammers dedicated all that effort and intelligence to create good projects then I'm sure that the market cap will be many times higher than what we have right now.

But unfortunately they have chosen to use their knowledge and their abilities for evil and since I know that they are smarter than I am the only way that I have to protect myself from losing my money to those people is to never invest again in an ico or an ieo regardless of my wishes to do so.

When say smart its mean  they are also use a new idea to scam people,  they are also make a solution so they cant be caught earlier and marked as scam.
More of the scam accusation is only come once the project is failed and many investors involve, before the project proven to be a scam. I mean they have a victim already before members can see that the project is a fraud.

Mostly they are. They could trick you with their different schemes and strategies, no wonder most of investors and bounty hunters are getting fooled by these scammers lol
Just look at those poor people at bounty sections, they don't really care with scammers as long as it gives something for now.

Not just smart some of them even graduated in a prestige school and now using their knowledge into something like this, thr crypto space is now flagged with lots of hoax and scamming activity. I wonder why some people never get tired of being scammed by those smart guys. If a project is focusing on sales and promising a lot, then it could be a scam one. Trust the one with product and dont bother about sales but talk about development.

Of course as crypto investors evolved and became smarter, those scammers need to adjust as well.


And that is the dilemma, it's really hard to know them until it's too late. Many wolves are disguising themselves in sheeps clothing.

The issue of Scammers is as old as the cryptocurrency industry. Scammers are always devising new tactics to take advantage of their victims. When a tactic becomes too rampant and people are aware, they move to another more complicated tactic. Its best for all to be on the look out and avoid making rash decisions when ones fund or reputation is at stake.

This is where reputation becomes an important factor, especially for new startups seeking to raise funds for their project using an IEO conducted via a launch pad, and you should always do your own research to make sure everything is above board when it comes to these types of investment opportunities to avoid any potential scams

I strongly agree that scammers are smart people, because if they are not smart there may not be many victims. They always change strategies
they are to deceive potential victims. Because I'm sure many scammers who are members of this forum too, they look for victims' weaknesses.
By participating in discussions with all of us. Therefore the fact that scammers cannot be eliminated, they will always be a part of this crypto world.
So there is no other way to always be vigilant with the projects we will follow, do your best to investigate projects that we will take part in. And
don't be lazy to learn projects that we will follow very carefully. We can all easily avoid scammers.

But we can't remove the fact that investors are not that easy-going as they are before. Even if the scammers become smarter, they don't get the same scammed money as they get before. It means that the only victim they had is those investors with lack of experience.

That's why analyzing is not the only thing that investors need in terms of investing. They also need further research and to fully understand the investment they are going to take.

At this time, even reputable persons could be deceived by how much money could be stolen in the market if there is no laws and regulation that will prohibit them to do so. In my opinion, reputation should also be guided because anytime soon, if we are having the best opportunity to handle huge amount of money, no matter how reputable we are online, us being anonymous might still deceive us to commit frauds. I am not saying I am one of them, my only point is for us to have some regulation as well as to develop a punishment to someone that could commit frauds with regards to handling cryptocurrency.

That's why you have to be smarter than a scammers, but sadly, sometimes scammers always one step ahead than any of us, we only realized them when it's already happened.

They're getting smarter each passing days, not only investors. They regurally changes their strategies in case if the old ones doesn't work anymore.
The one that has been scammed is more aware about their scheme, so scammers' main victims are the one that's lack of experience and knowledge about such things.

Scammers are always smarter than investors. the desire of investors is to make quick profits. so scammers make projects like that. make tokens and pump and dumo quickly. no matter how many investors get stuck. as long as the scammer gets a profit. then the project will be left after the pump and dump have been carried out. ICO was successful first, then the team disappeared. now ICO is not successful but can be released on the market. then the price is destroyed and lost. so basically scammers will keep trapping with their crazy stories and ideas.

They can if they are not a scammer but since they are, they won't. They'll have to engage in a more serious matter to satisfy the taste of the masses to be a good team and a good project which they won't have the time to do so because scammers tend to be fast with money. Scammers want to scam as fast as possible in order to get more profit out of those investors.

It is a straight fact that the scammers are smart. If they are not smart then they cannot scam people. Scammers will always innovate and improve their strategies in order to fool other people and get their money. It is a responsibility to other people to keep learning so they will be able to fight against the scammers in the space.

Scammers quickly adapt and become smarter, if earlier it was possible to recognize scammers by some external signs, today even experts can be mistaken in rejecting ICO Scams.

yes you are right op the scammers are smarter than we are right now they don't promise big token payments but they can make the project look good and convincing. so many prize hunters and investors are interested and join the project. but in reality the project was also a scam project.
therefore it is better not to join the ICO project at this time, but rather to make a short-term investment or join a safer IEO project.

Yes, we are seeing most of the IEO listing projects are scamming the investors with false promises, giving to the investors, Of course, even though we are researching, but sometimes it is unpredictable, everything seems to be very positive before IEO and this makes many investors shows a lot of interest towards IEO projects.

They need to trick investors mentally that they can really provide what being promise things that more realistic to achieved. Scam developers keep doing projects and will keep hiding, they will look like legit as they can also provide names and good written road map. But in the end of the day, scammers will be scammers and nothing will be change with how they deal with the business.
 

luckily most scammers are not wise enough that leads to being caught out easily  . only fewer one's are passionate to thier craft which is scamming that they plan everything smoothly that thier target wont notice a single shady move until they got finally scammed at the end of the transactions  . scammers are smart , that is why we need to outsmart them so that we can prevent getting scammed   . always read latest updates if what are the latest technique used by scammers so that you know   .

The scammers everywhere include in the crypto world. They can hide the truth of themselves because they want to take other people's money in many ways. They can find many ways to get the money even they will give big promises to their target person while they still tell that their promise will happen soon. We need always to be careful, and we need to search for the other information so we can prevent them from scamming us, and we can also protect our money from them. They can change their personalities to other people because they can get the details, and they can do that with ease.

I also agreed that scammers are very wise and clever in addition they also studied the crypto environment very well  they might had tabled the pros and cons before they unleashed their fraudulent activity,  in fact some of them are right here on this thread trying to pick one or two ideas judging by the reactions of investors just to improve on their scamming activities.

In my opinion there are also many people who don't really care about scammers because they participate in bounty campaigns to be able to make a profit, but the problem is when they participate in a scam project which then makes what they are doing in vain. People participate in bounty campaigns to get a little profit but when the project turns into a scam it will make them start to get tired of what is done and it is true that scammers always have their own ways to be able to attract and also deceive many people.

there are several IEO projects coming in every week, they don't develop anything on the project either because they don't have funds or not, but as far as I know if their tokens are sold out of IEO, of course they have enough and lots of money, but other questions where the money is taken why did not develop the project, that's why I am now avoiding the bounty work for ICO and IEO projects because some of the projects are still unclear, I still avoid until the market really starts to improve

Yes it is true, people who are arguably smart use their ability to commit fraud or you could say this is an easy way to make a profit by making a project that gives a lot of promise and promises that we can get a large profit or bonus from the project and sometimes we can easily be interested in what he says. It's true that you don't focus on sales and promises that are said, it's better to focus on the product that was delivered and how the team behind developing the product and also not in a hurry in deciding to invest.

It means they keep on improving their techniques on deceiving people every time they find a way to get rid of them and for them anything is possible when it comes to money so what can we expect? they keep on getting better and wiser while some of us are keep on falling into their tricks, it should be the reason why we should be more cautious and attentive particularly these days. We can't easily trust people because we don't know their true intentions and they probably looking out for something that they can use against us. I agree with you that when it comes to decision making we have to consider a lot of things before making choices like the possible result of it so we won't end up feeling remorse about anything.

It is really true that scammers are becoming more smarter than before and that's they keep victiming innocent people. The victims have also liability to their selves because they let themselves to be scammed. If the scammers are becoming more smarter then as a investor, we should also be a smart person who can identify the scam projects in the market.

In order to get investors' money, of course, there must be intelligence and especially scammers of some projects, maybe they say their projects are good and have a smart team for investors to trust. and invest their project, once their project has money then fraud can happen when that project reveals bad things.

The scammer has thought of something that can attract traders to invest in his place, so when you see a lot of scammers who have succeeded in stealing money from investors they have thought to erase their identities and cannot be traced.

If scammers are smart should investors must be smarter than them, when investing do not be greedy because it will provide space for scammers to get money from investors. And I agree that deals that are too good are usually scammers

I am very afraid of fraudsters, especially clever scammers. they are always shaping tactics, they know a lot about investors who are easily their most fragrant prey.

Indeed and i think their main focus or target is those individuals who didn't have so much knowledge about them because it is a bit easy to trap those people and make them believe that they are on a success project but nowadays even long time people here in crypto gets scammed because scammers always finds unique ways to scam people from newbies to long time crypto enthuasist so not only skills is rrquired but also self control and being able to analyze projects.

Scammers are also very smart and smart people who can come up with great ideas to solve the cryptocurrency problem. so we must be careful not to trust their appearance, but we should carefully study them to avoid consequences.

Ever since I know that scammers are smart. Actually, they can be smarter than us. Because if they are not smart enough, they can't scam people. Scammers need to have skills in scamming people and knowledge about crypto so they know how things work. Every day scammers are getting more smarter and smarter. Developing new techniques and ways to scam people is no joke.

People are very subjective and seldom think about how to avoid being noticed by scammers. The crooks are getting smarter and more clever with new tactics. So everyone, please take some time to learn about the scam.

Scammers are people who are good at using situations. Where conditions are chaotic like now is the perfect moment for them to carry out the action.
The proof is that many projects are fleeing, carrying away investors' funds and other cases. Therefore it is important for us to control emotions before deciding where to invest.

They can deliver, and there are already a lot of projects like that, the best option is to not invest in a new coin anymore, because there's really nothing in this new project that old coins cannot bring to the table, some of them are copy from the old projects and some of them are just promises that they cannot make a realization.

Maybe we can be careful and smarter but newcomers or other people I'm not sure can be like that, and I think scammers will always win and be smarter.

At least everyone must have experience with them to be smarter, or more careful.

Yes, I believe that they will also improve their quality to attract investors. however, scammers will definitely continue to strive to develop like a virus. because of that, as investors, we also need to know what we are investing and know our limits. if it's doubtful, stay away from it, don't be influenced by bonuses, and profit coffers.

First of all, scammers are not smart. If they were actually really smart they would be scamming people. Rather they would do something else that would at least be of dignity. They are dumb. That is why they have no choice but to scam people. It is actually the people that are stupid to fall for those scams. Every scammer leave some kind of trail which can be used to spot them. If people stays cautious, they wouldn't be scam.
If a project is good and has some good potential, then why on earth would they scam?

You are right and there is big possibility that most of the scammers are also a crypto investors and users who already know the good strategies and the flow of every transactions here in crypto. I believe that they are not idiot because they have so many victims and they can build a realistic scam project.

Obviously they know what they are hacking and for sure that before they do hacking they make and think for a best strategy on how to manipulate people and creating a bait.

That's the reason we need always keep our personal information and also files in a safe location and not trust anyone unless you knoe that person in real life.

How can they create these scamming schemes if they are not already knowledgeable? They are more advanced than scammed people, that is why they can easily scam them.
Scammers are good at misusing the situation. Otherwise, it is not only something that belongs to them but also successful traders.

Scammers are everywhere. Don't be surprised that scammers are also replying to this topic. The only reason why some people can scam others is that they have access to every information that others also have access to.

Yes, many scammers are taking advantage of the situation and the opportunity at the moment, that's what makes them look smarter than others, even though they are also human beings like us.

Scammer look not smart just investor have been stupid with scam every time, when many investor have been smart know which one trusted or scam site for investing there are not space for scammer get much profit because no one want to invest with their project, many new investor join with bitcoin and do not know what is scammer site for investing.

the difference is they know the opportunities and the ability to do it. and we people who are deceived are people who do not have enough knowledge to be able to analyze and choose a scam project.

i agree those scammers really are smart because they are the people who take advantage of those who lack knowledge about crypto
that's why we always need to remind those newbies that there are many scammers in crypto
not only ico or bounty but there also HYIP and Ponzi.

I think scammers are not smarter. But we, bounty hunters and investors are idiots. We do not conduct proper research or get information about the project we are investing or for which we are working as bounty hunters. We only go for the size of bounty pool not the team and we do not look the way they are delivering their promises.

Anything on the internet cannot be fully trusted. Even something as regulatory license should be verified and while paying online, you should also be sure you are going through the right channel. There are many type of phising like a fake website, fake airdrop, fake project, and many more. Scammers bring new method of scamming
and that's how the cycle goes on and on. Scamming is way harder in open forum where there are smarter people around.

So the best way to not be become victim of this scammers are to avoid joining any project in ICO /IEO campaign. Because scammer now is very smart to creating ico campaigns hopefully bitcointalk moderators regulate this ico and have some escrow funds to paid in bounty participants to make sure all our work will get paid. 

The scammers use the well-known platforms for hiding behind the real projects, this affects badly to the investor's confidence. Victims have ignored the necessary steps before investing and they fall to the trap of scammers. Just my 2 cents.

They are smarter but people here are more smarter, with so many scam site coming up, it's important to share every member's analysis, the community are up and have taken a responsibility to research these projects that are coming, and so far so many projects have been exposed, fewer and fewer projects are doing an ICO because investors are not in a hurry to invest.

Those days are over now when we determine a good project by seeing their good team and big numbers of members on social channels. Nowadays you have to verify the partners of a project and you have to see the media/press release and of course the team activity and real members in socials, I mean everything. Many projects just attach a high valued project's picture as a partner on their website, that's why you have to verify all the partners and other things on your own. If you ensure all these things, then scammers can't fool you. Scammers are becoming smart again but always ensure these things to verify a project, then you are good.  

Not all scammers are smart, there are many fraudulent projects created in a very sketchy way, it's easy to identify them as scams. The majority of successful scammers are due to people's ignorance and greed.

scammers will continue to find victims of their ideas to cheat is always changing and they thought of a brilliant idea to target the victims they were after in the crypto they are free to commit fraud to find targets people who have not experienced for their deceit I am tired of seeing scammers pretending to be stupid by offering the exchange to take their money was all a hoax to make a deposit into their exchange.

But the investors are smarter, we could see the dead of ICO and IEO right now, any project won't rise until their softcap right now and the projects will dead in month. It's more like the investors are smarter or they are not trusting cryptocurrency projects anymore, the bad impact is when a really good project with a good plan won't supported by the investors

there are no stupid scammers because basically scammers are people who have intelligence but are only used for personal interests or benefits and not for the project itself in order to continue to grow big in the future. so, it is not surprising when scammers keep trying to get what they want, until they exceed the limits for their actions because in the end they have ruined the industry for the worse

It's hard to avoid scammers if someone is still in the cryptpo room and invests in it. Scammers are very heartless, once they get a lot of money from investors, then their projects are left and abandoned. This has happened a lot in new projects that have been abandoned in the market without the developers.

Yeah that's true scammers are so tough to avoid as they are working more to make their system work well but we will have to avoid and we will have to abstain investing with unknown coins or saving our investment with new coins so we will avoid scamming this way otherwise scammers are smart enough as they have sharp mind.

Scammers are everywhere and many people become of their victim. Thats the fact when they collect money eventually they will out on their project. So we should avoid to get scam, and these scammers are smart as well .

Scammers on average will hunt for new projects as their target, because in new projects there will be new teams whose experience is not too strong which makes Scammers easy to enter.
Scammers intelligence clearly goes beyond ordinary smart people and if they do not have above average intelligence, it is not Scammers and they also master and have different special skills in their assignments.

if they are not smart then they are not scammers. we are not stupid it's just that we are less smart than them.

Well, this is our mistake so far that we often do and boast. scammers learn the characteristics of investors who complain and who are expressing opinions, from here they take advantage of a new loophole to deceive in a way that looks more attractive, when in fact we (as investors) are fooled because of our own actions, because we are not aware if opinions we all in bitcointalk threads already noticed by scammers.

You right, there are lots of scam project which make people believe and invest. The main thing why those kind of project can still get more investors, i think most of investors greedy and there are no laws to protect crypto investors yet. So i think everyone should know that invest in crypto is risky and they should invest with their own risk.

scammers so smart to imitate the website, platform, ideas all everythings it makes investor believe in their project after that scammers gone. every project created by scammer almost really looks real project. so be carefull and make sure before you invest
scammer makes investor do not want to invest again. i think this makes project needed to invest that die

Scammers are really that smart, that is why they managed to trick a lot of people by just creating an project just to steal other people's money. I think if scammers have already created a new plan to trick or to scam other people, the best way is just to avoid new projects for now because most of them are not good anymore, unlike in the year 2017 every ICO projects is successful, that is why investors and bounty hunters increased.

Being over smart is what makes a scammer. If you as an investor thinks of being smart in an arithmetic progression, scammers are doing same in the geometric progression in a very huge positive ratios.

if we are careful in observing the movement of ico from 2017 to the present, ico who do scam are those who appeared on average at the end of 2018 and until now. they say delaying the listing process because the market is falling. does this make sense? yes as a reason because they do not want to lose and want a bigger profit by utilizing this situation. and sadly, everyone almost believed in the delay.

because if you look at the market before 2017, the price of bitcoin and altcoin should not be as big as now, right? but they are always successful and keep their promises as a team, because at that time there was no hope of a big pump and the team always worked fairly.

If you ain't smart, you can't succeed as a scammer, they are very smart, funny, tactical and they know the right moment to strike. They can go as far as creating fake website and everything just to make it look so real for people to fall victims, that's how smart they can be

With every year scammerss become smarter and smarter

Obviously, The scammers today are really improving and developing their skills on how to manipulate, hack, and scam people. And this is the reason why people are going against cryptocurrency and afraid to invest their money because of this kind of people and we cannot stop situations because they are taking the bait and trusting everyone even thou it is a high risk.

And to prevent this kind of scheme is to not trust everyone, be cautious when making a transaction, and avoid providing personal information.

Scammer can do everything but never those can be real project. For reputation any project can't accept any partnership with scammers and top exchange won't support. Any tactics can be applied in bull currency market. Scam project is much lower than probability success project. Many project is on now either success or unsuccess.

yes, because most scamers have advantages that are rarely possessed by ordinary people. they always have a way to fool their victims and they are always around us now. in terms of projects, it is important for anyone to be vigilant before making decisions in the cryptoqurrency industry.

I agree that scammers are really smart but I don't think they will outsmart those who really do their assignments. Scammers really think of a good project but there is still a hole on what they do and that should be  the one we are looking for. Scammers will not make an effort to do something aftersales or after the campaign.

Yes scammers know well to whom they should mislead most of the time they trap those people who are not having enough knowledge about crypto so just be careful as you are gain in knowledge about investing in crypto and keeping safe the same way scammers are working on how to deceive people and make them suffer so better be good investor.

Scammers are evolving as a smart people, they can create good projects to lure the investors and majority of them are successful for their goal to scam others. How to prevent ending up to become a victim? Extensive reseach and knowledge are needed to avoid the scam projects, be wise enough to know whats true or not because no one can help you but yourself.

Scammer has skill. equipment and patience to release their plan, we should like them but of course of the right track. They life among us to see how good their progress and people respond, from there they will learn about something different to get what he want. Innovative, creative and has resources, they have all. Just take what we need to secure our asset and data, this time only those thing very valuable to take care.

Scammers have some ranks if you want to summarize it, there are some who can manage to steal a few bucks, some others are stealing about a hundred grand. Some are veterans who can steal a million dollars and can wait for 2 to 3 years to execute their plans. these are the category of scammers I know, you can name them what you what but this is the thing they can do.

all they do is just to make a profit for them. if a scammer really can cheat and bring in investor money I think they have made a truly perfect project manipulation. but now I think investors are not bad at choosing new projects. all are very careful, especially for projects that do the recognition of having collaborated with large companies.

Right! Scammers are often very smart. Especially to deceive cryptocurrencies is very smart must have knowledge and thorough understanding. 2019 will be disciplined for fraudulent money. Surely anyone who cares will know about the famous incident.The biggest scam ever recorded is the Plus Token. The e-wallet project on this smartphone is said to be a variant of the multi-level (Ponzi). Before the heads of the Plus Token suddenly disappeared in early July, they had promptly collected $ 2.9 billion from investors.

Well for a fraudulent activity to be successful, they must make their presentation looks legit.  With that they thought of it thoroughly and how to mimic legit company.  They think in advance and often prepare answers to possible hard question from these suspecting possible client.

Yes some scammers are smart but if people join crypto world they should do research and this will really make the scam precent to be lowered, i never get scammed by this scams and i not trust this platforms who promise huge profit.

very difficult to distinguish between scam projects or not, many projects that look good and strong they end up dead and leave investors, I don't need to mention, you certainly know

I agree with your opinion that scammers are smart people because they have proven capable of deceiving many investors who have invested in scam projects. if scammers are not smart people then what they want to do will be very easy to see and know about the plans they want to commit fraud against investors because investors also have a lot of smart people.

I don't even think they need to do that? They just need to promise a large return and for some reason people stop getting oxygen to their brain. You can see some things are scams yet people invest. They deserve what they get and I feel nothing for their loss. People who invest in scams are destroying crypto. That money could be put to far better use bit people are not interested since legit projects don't promise high returns and people want to hear lies. They want to hear thy will get high returns.

you need to be careful with old projects, the crisis drags on and they begin to deceive investors, such as paycent.

What is a huge profit? In the classic investment market, 10 percent per month is already a huge profit, but in the cryptocurrency market, 10 percent a month is not enough. I think everyone has their own understanding of this concept. scammers need to be determined not by what percentage they offer, but how they relate to the details of creating their project and to technology.

I don't think the problem has to do with being old or new. I guess it's human nature. Fraud,Scam , steal and try to fool you. Unfortunately, we have to deal with them all the time.

Well it is true these scammers are around us and they have restrategized  but I think investors also should not give room to them. We should be very careful before dishing out our hard earned money. Do research on any project you want to invest on so you know if it is worth it or not

I find it to be a rule that scammers promise more than the average project. Also most scammers start from small scams.

If you dox the coin team and find they've been involved in some petty thefts or failed projects you shouldn't trust them. It's the same with bounty scams and not paying their employees. If they are able to scam you for a few dollars they will scam you for big money.

Bought accounts, fake reviews, fake pictures, fake social media traffic all such things point to a scam.

The scammers are not stupid or smart, these guys are really experienced in social engineering. They have the minimum requirements for tricking the other users in various ways and take their money out of their pocket. That is why educated investors are a threat to the scammers.

Sure, they are pretty smarter than many investors. They always come up with different style of tricking investors into investing to their ponzi scheme called project, but thoroughly research into the project will reveal their hidden agendas which can be averted. We can help ourselves to be more smarter than them but, greediness will be a major problem to investors.

Yes they are smart too and you said it was among us that's true, If we look at the telegram channel they are pretending to be one of us but the truth is they are a part of the project. Actually we can know them if we are read some of the comment it have been suspicious.

Must better to be careful and we need to be smart too, We dont need to become a bait on what offers they wan for us.

That's right. On a smart developer there is a smarter scammer. We can say that scammers are also talented people, they just send their knowledge in a bad direction.

Indeed. There's even a movie called "Who Am I" that talks about social engineering and how well can it be used to make other people do what you want then too. This method of manipulation is quite advance and difficult to master and implement. But with enough resources and story to cover, anyone can masquerade and fool the people in this industry.

There are several scam projects that are quite detailed in designing the scam. The current scam is sophisticated enough to fool people who are experienced in crypto and I think we need to be vigilant. With in-depth research and I think it would be better to invest in coins that are already listed on large exchangers because it will make it calmer

More so they come as self funded projects to eliminate investors fears and make them buy tokens from exchange. Scammers will always be a step ahead of investors because they're smarter than investors.

We just have to be careful is all, scammers will always find their preys, before you make a decision always do better research on projects and use 'scam' with the project name on Google search helps me few times too

Exactly. You got it spot on. You can't really be a successful scammer without having the requisite knowledge or being smart. Naturally scammer are smart and like you said, they only choose to use their skill sets wrong. Reminds me of the movie by Leonardo Dicaprio - Catch me is you Can.

Some of the fraudsters' behavior is a shame. You're already collecting a lot of money. At least evaluate the investment. Because the money they raise is enough to start a business.

Not all collapsed projects can be called scams. Some fail. However, some have no intention of advancing the project. They disappear quietly after IEO or ICO.

The exit scams are a famous method among the scam projects, the easiest way is to take the money with some acceptable excuse. The scammers are wiser than the majority of the investors, they know how to handle the main problems related to the project's future. Upon reaching their intention, they run away with other people's money.

my project is set with the label of DOGEM

What you are talking about has already happened in 2017. The largest scams were indistinguishable from real cool projects, and that is why they managed to collect a huge amount of investor money.
As a result, it was a huge surprise for everyone when such projects turned out to be a scam. Now this has become more widespread due to the difficulty of luring investors into traps of this kind.

Unfortunately, it's easy to trick people. I think people always feel the need to believe something. And there's another situation. People want to make easy money. Scams exploit these feelings. Everyone needs to improve.

Well, as long as ICOs and IEOs continue to exist, there will surely continue to be scammers but one thing I know for sure is that no matter how smart these scammers are there tricks will only fall on a few newbies, presently many people and investors are now watchful and researchful.

Scammers are smart, it's true. But investors are still smarter. They're much less likely to get caught cheating. Scammers are mainly aimed at beginners, although experienced investors can still get caught too.

Some people lose their investment in scam project or scam news, now we know scam project does promise huge reward. A scam project can't fullfill all requirements after rise their funds. There they left some information, by tracking this information we can caught scam offer. So how smart they are, ultimately they will caught.

I agree with you that scammers are among us and know how to create the appearance of a good project, so we can say that scammers are often one step ahead. What we can do is be vigilant and report suspicious characters on the forum.

Yeah that's right, there are no stupid scammers, they do everything they can to get the bait, and chances are there are still people affected by scammers, especially for beginners who are new to the internet and doing business online, he is food for scammers. Never mind beginners sometimes people who have long been in the online business world are still trapped by scammers. Especially in the crypto world, we must always be aware of scammers.

I do not agree with you.

Not all scammers are a step in front of other people, only isolated cases of truly unique scams that do not allow to doubt their honesty.
The rest of the scam projects are visible to the naked eye at the familiarization stage, but many turn a blind eye to this.

You need to be a smart ass to be able to avoid scammers, some aren't very hard to detect, if you put your research ideas to good use you will definitely detect some scam projects but very few are well planned

Basically everyone has intelligence, both in seeing and analyzing something, so there is no problem if the scammers are smart in hiding, as long as we can also be smart in analyzing the bait they provide.

The scammers are certainly not idiot. And scammers always are trying to develop new methods to trick people. That's why we should always be careful with scammers.

Yes, it easy to trick people, many people nowadays are being victim by those projects that will promise them that they will get a little bit higher than other campaigns. Scammers are updated too! We shoud be aware in new things that they can use to, for us not to be fooled by them.

Absolutely, they are smarter than us. If we could think how strategically way of hiding their real intentions and even catch noobs are really impressive act but I believe they won't succeed all the time. May they could get some prey at first but later part, they also fall into us.
This is important how awareness become important and never been tempted to high/impossible offering cause that is obviously a scam.

Well that does not sound any different from the scene today to be honest. In fact, today the scams look even better and better. Real people. Licensed companies. Projects that are even managing to get the best conferences and listed on the best exchanges with huge legitimate partners. But they launch, sell out, and then create shitty products with 5% of the funds raised. And people actually do not think they are scams,,, EOS anybody?

They can because scammers does not just create a project that looks easy to recognize that it's a scam, they study the nature of the market and they know how to market their project to attract investors and gain funds and be successful.

We called this market a high risk because of the scammers that are everywhere just observing and looking for the right timing to attack.
Believe me, once the altcoins season has began, they will come out aggressively again.

So we need to be smart and be aware in order to prevent from getting scam.

We can make scammer become stupid by never investing with their project and make big announcement for public about their project are scam, maybe many people get scam because they don't get information about this project before investing. We can make scammer frustrated when their project is not interested and not sold out to public, the scammer have lost much money with advertise their coins.

We cannot remove the fact that scammers really do smart because if they don't then they won't get anything. Beginners are mostly targeted by scammers and not only newbies but also people have experience who are careless and can be easily fooled by sweet words. Scammers can adapt in order to become smarter that is why we should get more updated and study more in order to not fooled by them.

scammers are not smart they just get advantage of our greed and ignorance, that's why scams are still successfully carried out. If scammers are updating there tactic whats stopping us from increasing our knowledge on their latest tactic? we all want easy money that comes without any hard work of research.

But somehow many investors have been caught for this evil act. Their offer is quite tempting and imagines how much we could get in a short period of time, ain't no wonder why some could grab that opportunity. But thinking also the result, it seems to be of big regrets and lots of complaints.
If we think that we are smarter compared to them, then we can put into conclusions that they'll never grow but they still exist cause they know that they could still hunt a prey around.

means he is smarter than us because they can fool us who don't want to develop to know how to project scams or which are good for us to follow. we don't need to feel sad if we do have to admit that they are smarter for the people they succeed in deceiving.

I agree with you mate! scammers are already changing their techniques on how to approached the cautious and already doubted investors, that's why investors should be more vigilant regarding these matter and just apply extra precaution in all of your dealings specially when investing. Its very noticeable in some ICO's today that they are changing their methods in that case i was already doubting of their true intentions, maybe masquerading something? btw i'm not saying that it was all of them but remember just choose wisely.

I agree. As the investors get wiser and smarter learning from their past mistakes and experiences from the recent projects they have gone through, scammers have also develop their tactics, strategies and techniques adapting into their need to victimize other people that do want to get into investing now that the market is still currently into the down scenario in which many investors are seeking for cryptos to hold for a long term period which aside from Bitcoin are mostly Altcoins that comes from various types of projects. Many projects are still reputable if we would observe it carefully but still scammers make their way to let even the reputable ones look not making stain into the minds of the new engagers think that all Altcoins from projects are scam which is supposedly not to be true but because of traumatic experience, they are now generalizing that those really are scams. It is really hard to distinguish this time of which is a scam or not so we better help each other out so that we will lessen the number of people getting victimized by this.

In conclusion we can learn from what has happened. don't be too sad about failure because it can make you traumatized. we can all make scammers suffer in various ways one of which analyzes before joining a project. and one more don't be easily attracted to the bonuses they offer because bonuses are the deadliest weapon to attract everyone's attention.

Change is constant , never expect things to remain the same for long. Scammers are evolving so they keep trying new things . This still dosent mean you won't be able to recognize them. That always bring a way that seems too easy and bypass protocols. This is one way to know that it's them.

Most scammers are complete idiots. Sometimes they use such bad methods of deception that it is not clear who can believe it at all. Only a small part of them are really talented people who simply use their skills in the wrong direction.

Yes, partly but telegram scammers are still learning work as Thier skills are well known unless it's only newbie that can fail to that but project scammers are skillful so takes wisdom to outsmart them if not their assurance will really make one fall for it.

If scammers can be smart, you too can be wise, because wisdom is more profitable than smartness. There are certain measures you need to put in place at all times, to avoid any form of loophole through which scammers can get into your system. If well put in place, then you can be free from them.

I think the crooks will still be one step behind us. We come up with new ways to protect ourselves and if we constantly develop, we can not be deceived.

This is true, as the technology evolves and the people using these technology, I guess we need to upgrade also our knowledge, skills and technology on dealing with these people. Much better if we will have the edge to overpower what they are doing right now. We should be ahead of them everyday.

What is really worth fearing is hacking exchanges.
The practice of recent days shows that there is almost no exchange capable of completely defending itself from hacker attacks.

This means that any exchange may be at risk, and therefore our funds located there.
In addition, not all exchanges reveal their vulnerabilities that led to the possibility of hacking, which does not allow others to take advantage of their experience and eliminate vulnerabilities on their part.

And that is the most dangerous aspect of those projects, scammers are so smart that now it is impossible to tell if a project is legitimate or if it is a scam and I do not know about you but I'm not willing to take the risk of investing in a project that will later turn into a scam.

And I think I am not the only one thinking about this possibility because since 2017 the market of new projects has been in a clear crisis in which new projects are having problems attracting investors precisely because of that issue.

In some ways we are smarter than them but why they still doing it, maybe because they could still hit someone without knowledge. It obviously that some of us here never know how the scam works, not even recognized that he even dealt with them by now. There is a lot of awareness around but somehow they are blinded enough for scammers offering which is really enticing to hear. Even me, I was a victim before but I'd learn it and couldn't happen again.

I think that there have been many bitcointalk members who have contributed to providing complete information of scam projects and that has helped many investors. It's just that there are investors who are greedy because they want to get a large profit or a large bonus offered by the scam project

They can deliver a seemingly good team in the project, but if they are good the community are better, and with the way things are going on crowdfunding, I doubt investors will be interested, in more new coins, there are coins that look good and coming from reputable company, but they cannot even reach their soft cap, this is enough proof that investors had enough and they are more on the coins that are listed in the exchange.

You are right, people might be already know risk behind all this token sale. But they really attracted by the offer or maybe bonus that they can get especially if they are early bird or maybe buy it before public token sale. With that, already enough to make people believe they don't need to wait ICO price to take profit, and it is really attract a lot of people to be investor.

Con artists likewise changes their methodology how to deceive individuals or how to make them fall in their snares, that is the reason a ton of investors  and bounty hunter previously surrendered from taking an interest in new Project these days since it is useless, so it is smarter to center in different things to procure more crypto like participating in Few reasonable projects but nothing is promised anymore its all gambling

That seems to be a smart thing. Many crypto investors and bounty hunters been fooled by their broken promises. If that is the way the could catch those blinded individuals, then they probably win the competition. What is most important here is that we are able to accept our mistakes and make a way that we're not going to become a victim again.

bitcointalk participants did provide information to the investors, so the project would get a lot of funds from it. but indeed at the moment of the first listing the price is the same as the price of ico then they already profit from the discount given, but sometimes greed takes it

however, bounty hunter only helps to spread information about the project and does not help ensure that the project is really good and profitable. the rest I think is our role in analyzing the project whether it's good or not. if it's good then we can join, and if not we can leave it. there is no compulsion in this forum.

experience becomes important here, therefore when we make a mistake then do not give up and keep trying again but on condition that we have to develop more knowledge so as not to be stuck again in the next mistake. and always think logically so that we can better distinguish between the original project and also the fake project, at least we must think logically in determining

Of course, scammers have become more intelligent and can promise and do everything in order not to differ from others and even seem better than others. However, all this will not help them avoid sooner or later exposure. Moreover, if they are 100% scammers, then they will definitely be punctured somewhere and the community will quickly bring them to clean water. Of course there is no guarantee that we will be able to identify fraudsters 100%, but this once again confirms that investing in cryptocurrencies is more risky than investing in other industries.

You're right because their purpose is to steal and in order for them to achieve that they can go extra height. However, it hard to identify fraudster because they are numerous in number and work as a team but they are not that smart as people think because they literally make some silly error which why some scam project are exposed in the scam and accusation section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0).

They are very clever, they have studied so much what people want to hear from them, they are very good in expressing their opinions, in explaining the project and doing hype in the community, they even hire so much admins to  looks like that they are growing team but at the end they will dumped on the price and run away.

hahah hilariously speaking.
I won't agree less with this. Scammers are clever but cunning and we will always watch out for them. I would never have believed that such a project as Spectrumnetwork could be fake. I placed all my hope on that freaking thing and it was shattered. Nevertheless, I learned my lesson so hard. Several other projects I have seen built real world use case product such as atomic wallet team (built a non-custodian wallet on atomicwallet.io), Aergo team, morpheuslabs and many of them.
Can't fall a victim again.

   Bobelr you are right, scammers are clever and cunning, some of them are really smart. The smarter the scammer is, better
scam he will make. I were scammed couple times by several ICO's. Luckily I didn't lost a lot of money and I learned a valuable
lesson, only two good things that came from that.
   We are not the only ones, some scams are almost perfect and that makes for all of us very hard to detect them. And I am
not expert, my researching have limitations. But what we can do? Even if we fail we need to be brave and strong to stand up
again.

there are scammers that are smart, more investors get attracted by their platform and their promises about their ice and a lot of investors invest in their ico.

I agree, scammers are developing and creating new schemes for deception, but the investor is also developing and it is becoming increasingly difficult for fraudsters to deceive them, for example, look at ICO, how much they are collecting funds?!

I believe that scammer is really a smart person. But they used thier brain in a wrong way. Scammer is really amazing they really know how to make people believe in them in a very simple way and get profit on it. So we need to be more careful on dealing with other specially to those people who offer us a great profit in a short term investment  because there are so many scammer on the crypto feild.

Their intelligence is shown so clearly when they only need to use words, a bit of tricks and magic, people's money flows into their pockets and people still do not know this is a scam, even believe what the scammers say is true, and if you think they used the brain in the wrong way, it's just a conservative perspective. Because there is never so much truth in this life for you to feel, people are always cheating on each other, it's important that they are doing it more or less, if we don't want to be deceived, we'd better be smarter, instead of whining

Yes, in the past there were indeed many investors who were interested in the promises of scammers, but now they are no longer, because investors are also very smart in analyzing things and always using research before investing.

Scammers are very very smart , once they are caught they deviate another means of scamming users, best is for everyone to be extremely careful both pm social media and projects.

I agree with what OP has said.
Scammers will surely do thing that isn't easily to recognize their real intentions by investors. May the have a huge market offering but that was it looks suspicious and far from reality, and that it makes them change their tactics and even well-experienced investors never see it. It is obvious that they are smarter than us but of course, this kind of illegality will no longer stay for long.

Well, they are actually smart and will do everything they can for them to scam people, they will lie and as much as possible they will make you happy all the time and they will hype the price market because they know that you will be happy when you see the price is growing then when you already give your all in investment that's the time they will dump.

Scammers are smart and always provide what the public wants, but with us always bringing positive things when the discussion at this forum can make scammers continue to do it and very losers if they really build a project that is good but they choose to commit fraud. It will be more profitable in the long run if they do not commit fraud because they have done a good thing for the project they originally built not seriously.

Yes it's all true we can't know 100% of scammers because everyone can be a scammers anytime, every day scammers get smarter to scam people so we have to be careful of good projects too don't trust too much of good projects 100% because they can be scammers any time

So far investors has been wise now too, they already know the tactics of those scammers so for now they are for sure finding ways how they are going to earn money and for some they are entering IEO too, so we should still be vigilant as scammers are also taking risk spending listing fee for them to raised fund and to make like a legit project.

If they are not smart, then they are not scammers, their expertise cannot be doubted, there is always a way for them to convince victims to join the program they are running. Scammers have always been parasites that are very difficult to prevent, because they always have a new way to get the victims into the traps they make.

Various methods have been used to find scam projects, but then how to distinguish scammers from failed projects.

their cunning with something that is not required to be connected to escrow or things that are guaranteed, turns out to keep them evolving, they always take shelter in the gap of decentralization. Most cases occur in projects that fail and end up being fraudulent because that is their last alternative plan.

To be honest, not a single cryptocurrency project can be called 100% genuine. There are many projects which looked great on the ICO stage, but there are no news about them today as their Social Media channels are dead.

Scammers always want chance to take our wallet so we need be careful always. Actually scammers people will give you many unbelievable offer and give mail with many perching site link so don't clear and never put your wallet information.

Yes they are very smart that they attract only those investors who are new or maybe who does not have fine knowledge about  crypto. So they get scam which is not good things we should try to know all about the project that we are going to invest with as so many fake projects are there who can distract us from holding.

Yeah, that right, scammers stay very smart, but default investors not idiots too

Scammers always were smarter than investors, that's why investors fall into scammer's trap and lost huge money all these years. But after the long run bear market and huge ICO scams, investors are now smart enough to know and avoid scams shits. But those thieves are not just sit down and watch, they are becoming more smarter to cheat again. So, people should think a hundred times before buying any new coins. Buy only a coin that has products or known partners or working utility.

The problem is the scammers are smart because there are too many lazy people who come online to get rich quick. I see so many people getting scammed on Telegram because they never follow the instructions given by projects who say many times ADMINS do not pm members, they need to contact official support of the project. Yet still because people are impatient and like spoiled children, they want an issue sorted right away then they get hacked or scammed by fake Admins who are really scammers and hackers. I think most of the people involved in the cryptocurrency arena should not be involved at all as they cannot take failure, losses or any bad thing happen or they cannot take responsibility for their actions. People have to educate themselves so they get scammed or hacked less.

In the beginning, it is really hard to figure out scamming projects but with the passage of time, they do come to surface when people are heavily scammed by them. We shall keep in mind that the reason why we simply cannot differentiate them from legit projects is that they copy legit ones in a way that both give investors free coins in the beginning, giving little profits as well and so on.

The problem is not the skill of the scammers and their alleged ability to reinvent themselves and find new ways of defrauding people.
The real problem is the incredible stupidity of those who let themselves be cheated and believe in the most absurd promises.

Scammers are not smart but ignorant I don't see people who try to steal from people as being smart. When someone have to sit and think of stealing is not a smart move.

This is so true, scammers are more clever than we can imagine, they keep coming up with new strategies. Some will even attend blockchain/crypto conferences, distribute tokens after token sale and then list on a fair exchange to dump the remaining bulk of the tokens. Sometimes we wonder why buy orders get cleared after listing, some people will blame it on airdrop/Bounty hunters etc while most times the team dumps massively.

If team members are just in for money and do not have any plans to fulfill product development, then obviously they are scammers, don't get it twisted. Let's not be deceived by what we see on roadmap or hype around any project.

When a team don't launch a project or had launched the project yet didn't continue to develop after being prompt by the users that its project has bugs on it means they are simply becoming a scam as well. A number of projects are doing this so far and the problem is that they just aren't passionate of what they are doing.

We saw how these "non-idiots" were bred in 2017-2018. Not every investor knows in advance what will happen to cryptocurrency, especially since we are all pioneers in this topic. Many on the wave of hype have fled to invest.

It caused by they must make sure they will be looked great to make investors wanna investing their money on that shitty ico. this is just an old trick that already used by scammers these days,
But we can learn from this to avoid the scammers and that's easy.

Scammers will always be in crypto space, now if you promote 10 projects in a year just expect only two to be real or successful among them all because even if they are far from scam they can still fail too

Yes we will have to keep out eyes open while choosing project to invest as mostly are scamming because scammers know that some people are fool enough to trust blindly. So better avoid being fool to invest with scamming projects just make research on Google and YouTube about real projects then invest and start investing with small amount.

I don't know what else to belief in crypto space anymore, do you know that some projects that failed to reveal information about team are doing better than ones with real teams? It's not always about transparency like many says, the least project you don't have interest in might grow up more than the projects you trust

Scammers are often very clever, yeah, that's true. To trick cryptocurrencies in particular, it is very smart to have expertise and thorough understanding. For fraudulent money, 2019 will be disciplined. The biggest scam ever reported is the Plus Token, certainly anyone who cares will know about the famous incident. On this smartphone, the e-wallet project is said to be a multi-level pyramid variant. They had immediately raised $2.9 billion from investors before the Plus Token heads suddenly disappeared in early July.

It is going to be very difficult to find a person that has invested in icos and that has not been scammed as well, this happened to me too, I invested in a project that had seemingly all the right things and I thought we were going to see a project that will change the world of cryptocurrencies.

And as you may guess that did not happen and I lost a significant amount of my money and this was very discouraging since I did my due diligence and everything seemed to be fine and I discovered I had being deceived by a bunch of smart scammers.

Scammers are literally smart people after all, they are so intelligent that they keep getting huge amount of money from their victims. If we want to avoid scammers then we should be smarter than they are, how are we going to be smart? It is simply by studying and by researching. We should seek for information in order to easily identify scammers and also the scam projects.

Successful projects on average have a large community because many hunters recognize them as quality projects, while projects that are unable to attract them are more likely to fail to reach investors. we have seen a lot during 2019. Scammers can be involved in the same two spaces. We need special indicators to see their work, good projects always move faster without having to write wise words too often to always wait.

Knowing what you are doing around the field that you are investing your money is the very wise thing to do. Victims are being fooled without knowing the techniques that scammers are using. But if you will do your best anticipating and understanding all the protections that you'll need scammers will take a hard time to penetrate to you.

never anticipate that things should continue as before for long. Because this scammers are developing so they continue attempting new things . This still dosent mean you won't have the option to remember them. That continually bring a way that appears to be excessively simple and sidestep conventions. This is one approach to realize that it's them.

All of the scammers now is evolving. They are not the typical scammers anymore where in keeps promising something bigger for you to believe them. They are also studying the humans body language and when they understand them already? They will attack and steal all the possible things that they can steal from you.

yes you are right op scammers can do other ways to be able to cheat and hack our wallet. Scammers always have a new way to break into our wallets. therefore we must always be careful in every transaction and we must also improve our security system. and scammers can also make a good project that seems like it will become a successful project. and that way they can attract investors. I think these scammers are the biggest problem we have to face when joining cryptocurrency.

No one is immune from scam. This market brings good money, so there are whole attack groups that organize global fraudulent schemes. If you are investing in a new project, be prepared for the fact that you can be left without your investment.

With new projects, we cannot deny the fact that these are most of the times scams. If you are in a state where you are unable to believe any new stuff, then it is not your fault and neither you are alone. Transparency is most of the times used by scammers to gain trust of people and this trick also works because mostly people tend to go for those products that give as much details and information as possible.

If the scammers are too smart to tricked people, we have too be smarter thsn them too. Because if we don't it's just like we are tolerating them to trick more and more people and more scammers will be encourage to scam people. So all we have to do is to be observant and alert.  Keep in mind that scammers are everywhere and dont trust easily most especially to those whom you dont know well.

Obviously scammers are getting smarter everyday, i would say they think ahead and bring new ideas to scam people, the more people understand the old tricks of scammers, the more they develop new tricks because they know many people will definitely fall victim, the more people will find a way to avoid their tricks, it is important for people to be on the look out, don't open any suspicious link or website, apply caution when surfing the internet or doing any transaction with an unknown person.

Yes for couple years that was the trend but now they are kinda adapting to shape their scams perfectly. We know that but people don't warn here saying that you are gonna be 100% safe in community if you stay away from high-reward promising projects.

There are always risk. It's like- trusting a high trusted member here in forum and going first thinking that he wouldn't but who knows what is going in back of their head.

You are absolutely right in making scammers adapt to any situation, because if you compare 2016 and today's time, then it was much easier for scammers to start cranking their scams.  And today, many are trying to get rid of fraud and use various options to combat this phenomenon, but at the same time, fraudsters are also trying to circumvent the protection and deceive more and more people.  I think that fraud and the fight against this phenomenon will be an eternal problem in the cryptocurrency market.

Scammers also adapt to all the possibilities that exist today, the more ways we can prevent scammers from appearing, but in the end scammers continue to grow rapidly and get smarter in each of their fraudulent ways, I think it's very difficult to prevent scammers, but the most important thing for we are to always be vigilant, always careful and careful in choosing a project for bounty or investment because scammers usually only target people who are greedy and want quick profits.

But why bother with new projects? I understand the potential profits they may bring but right now very few investors are concentrating in those projects so there is almost no profit to be had, just look at what bitcoin is doing now if you were to day trade bitcoin you could have earned 5% during the last days.

Which may not seem like much but you will only need a few days like that every month to double your capital without taking a huge risk, but somehow many investors do not seem to understand this.

during the ICO times, investing in new projects was very profitable because right after ICO exchanges are already up to list the coin and then trade on an agreed date. its only now that its not very profitable because the exchange asks more for the coin to be listed and teams are now greedy that they are the ones to dump the coins first. the protect themselves not the investors and in the end its the team with fake members that's obviously a scam. 

Scammers are one of the most smartest human on this planet they think faster than normal human, they tend to make money from wrong places, and we have a lot of them in this space.

They're smarter than many investors, of course. They always come up with different styles of tricking investors into investing in their project called ponzi scheme, but thorough research into the project will reveal their hidden agendas that can be avoided. We can motivate ourselves to be smarter than them, but greed is going to be a big problem for investors.

No matter how many reports and cases where people share their experience about how they get scammed when the next target comes along we will undoubtedly be dealing with a scammer who is better than us at what they do. I think because they can get away with swindling every time so like it was never ending of scammers.

For many good ideas was from scammers because they need a convincing promises to scam us. Many promised they implement in their platform or projects that can hyped us so they will convinced us to invest and then one day they will gone like magic tricks.

That's why there are a lot of scammers now because they easily scammed people from only saying from their promises. Then, it would have a huge effect from forum by that.

You don't be surprised for as it always and always happening even a lot of awareness that has been spread around. People will still be caught in this kind of activity because of attractive money offerings. I don't think that we can ever stop hearing new/claims about scamming and even fraud coz we can also able to stop people that would take such thing, though.

if only checking businesses that contain ponzi schemes can be seen clearly with open eyes, but there are many things not seen in other schemes related to ICO and IEO where scammers seem to ignore the proportion of prices when their coins can already be traded, they are able to sell all their coins are faster than investors in various ways.

that is the final step which is all clear when tokens can be traded on the exchange, because what must be done is the initial step so that we are not trapped by their project which of course will be very detrimental. so it would be better for you to exclude anything related to prices and an allocation because the most important thing is to do the initial research so that you avoid the project which will only make you suffer

I agree that they are smart. but unfortunately, they use their brains to fool others people
that's very pathetic, very very pathetic.

however, in this world there are two type of humans, good and bad humans. so, there would be scammer around us
the one thing we should do, we must be smart to avoid that scammer.

In this case, there are many scammers in cryptocurrency, they always try to fool many people here
from scam bounty, phising link, ponzi, etc. we should know how to detect and avoid that shiiiit

Scammer can't deliver product or service, they can only make fake promise or announcement. I think scammer is more smart, they make promises like a real or legit that's possible you think. I can't believe some projects make fake exchange for investor.

This scammers are all living in countries with varying degree of law biding against atrocities with assurance of prosecution after been caught. This should be the way scammers are handle on cryptocurrency space, provide regulations and prosecute criminals or law breakers. if the law is efficient enough to punish outlaws, it can contain the scam in the space, if there is no law there is no sin.

As in all professions, there is a lot of competition and to get good results you need to be professional.
So, amateur scammers have left the market, but the really good ones have specialized and are very difficult to recognize.
What can I say, open eyes and maximum attention to those who entrust your money.

Indeed. As time goes by, and as the modern technology grows and improves, and as the investors are getting wiser and smarter in terms of choosing the projects where they would invest in terms of cryptocurrency, scammers have also develop their skills and strategies to get along with the getting wiser community so that they can still be able to continue their works on victimizing people specially newbies as well as large potential investors. In our days right now, it is really become to be so difficult on determining which is a scam project and which is the legible and reliable ones because they both seems to be a like in all aspects. That shows and proves how scammers adapt in the span of time to get along with the wise investors. So for us to be able to avoid such, we must really be observant into our surroundings and be careful on doing decisions so that if ever we are not that lucky and we have faced scam projects, we can still be able to lessen the impact of being scammed by just investing the amount we can afford to loose.

There are now different ways in order to differentiate legit projects from scams. Some people learn to avoid scam projects because of the thoughts and ideas being shared in the forum or even in the internet. As we learn about these things, scammers also think of a way to change their tactics and strategies in order to attract more investors. Scammers change their similarities in strategies and ideas to other project in order to camouflage their true intention, and that is to scam investors.

when we are transacting in oue daily lives, there comes a time that someone we didn't know will talk abkut investment in a sudden, but we already know that their intentions right from the start is to scam people but one of the faults we made is to test whether these scammers do really have the knowledge about the proudct thet they are proposing, as a result, some do not really know much things about it, but some do really have the knowledge which leads to victims to be victimized. I come into conclusion that inorder to avoid being scammed by these people, we shouldn't just be knowledegeable but to also to try to always avoid talking into these people right in the first place.

Sad to say that what they've done is really effective to trick people and be victimized. Scammers are adjusting, once the  system is no longer working
they will find ways to create another. It's very disappointing since there's always victims that keep bringing them the reason to continue this practices.
Always do your research and keep yourself engaged to learned more about this scamming attempts.

I agree with you that a gullible person is a person who wants to be rich quickly and easily. That's why the mindset of such people is easily hit by a scam. All of that there is a maximum process and effort to get to our success and without all that just nonsense.

Agree that scammers are getting smarter at selling tokens or deceiving potential investors. What is needed by investors is vigilance because currently IEO is also detrimental to investors. With the increasing value of losses suffered by investors, the government should regulate the cryptocurrency market so that it can prevent and ensnare scammers into doing its actions

First of all,cryptocurrency was implemented as a decentralized platform and making the government to regulate cryptocurrency market is an act of killing the legacy of cryptocurrency. Besides, i dont see any reason crypto need to be regulate if the investors upgrade their knowledge about crypto investment and the last tme i checked invest in IEOs os not the most.
Why the investors chasing after unprofitable investment?

Their skills are in the another level because they have intelligence to get other people's money. Most of the issues of scam is about transactions with strangers. We should always remember that we should only trust ourselves so we should ignore strangers. We should not also believe to investments that are offering high returns in just short period of time.

I am personally more cautious and will take my investment away when offering a high return, because it doesn't make sense. so it's better to focus on developing the platform that they will do, because the development made by the developer will have many impacts, especially if the platform can be used by many people.

Who tell that scammers do not have strong team and innovative technologies and ideas (no matter if they are fake)? You are 101 percent right on this topic. Scammers are well aware of the tactics to operate the crypto market. Nowadays, they are aware enough not to give a big promise or allocate hefty amount of bounty pools, something to be offered by scammers.

The issue is the con artists are savvy in light of the fact that there are an excessive number of lethargic individuals who come online to make easy money. I see such a significant number of individuals getting misled on Telegram since they never adhere to the directions given by ventures who state ordinarily ADMINS don't pm individuals, they have to contact official help of the undertaking. However still since individuals are anxious and like ruined youngsters, they need an issue arranged immediately then they get hacked or misled by counterfeit Admins who are truly con artists and programmers. I think most about the individuals associated with the cryptographic money field ought not be included at all as they can't take disappointment, misfortunes or any terrible thing occur or they can't assume liability for their activities. Individuals need to teach themselves so they get misled or hacked less.

In the crypto community there is a lot of scammer and they are watching us and everymonth I thinl they develop or create a new tactics on how hey scam people. Because if a old tactics they use the investors know that their project is fake so they need to hide all the evidence that can show them their real purpose.

It's up to us what project we invest just make sure you did research about project before entering to it.

Well, i am not of the ideas that scammers are smart, i have had several pm me on telegram about their frivolous schemes.
I also have loads of such in my email.

The single thing i do is, delete and block.

If we all can do this, there will be no scam history at all.
Scammers target greedy and soft people who wants so much money so soon , don't be one, guard your wallet secretly.

Of course yes scammers always have lot of options to do scam things and they always find new and attractive options to do their negative attempts but it's not mean that I should call them smart because "smart" is a positive word which they don't deserve it. Those people are smart who always try to spred awareness about scammers and their attempts.

Onknum scammer is of course always renewing all means to fool the victims. this makes him smart because he is always creative to create new things later to launch the action. Here is the importance of the research step every time you want to join a project. Always be vigilant

They smarter than his victim thats why he do fraud. I think we should be more aware & careful doing anything in crypto space. Trust no one & read carefully if you dont wanna get scam. Investor lose their interest on cryptocurrency because of scammer and it feel bad.

There are many kinds of a scammer, desperate scammer they will PM you offering scam services, spreading phishing links, etc. Also, there is a smart scammer, I remember last 2017 a Flawless project was launched a good website, good whitepaper, listed on a decent exchange and then suddenly turned scam and leave us with no trace. Be careful with new projects I prefer investing in existing projects with reputation to be safe. I guess we have learned our mistake so we need to dig more info first before investing.

Yes most of the scammers are much more intelligent than most of us. They are scammers they scammed most of us cause they are intelligent. They changed time to time with technology with time and space. But in most cases we are being scammed cause we don't hold that much knowledge. There is only one and one way to defeat scamming that is gaining knowledge. Just before investment do your own research and go by yourself that's it.

That is true, if they aren't smart enough they won't or can't be able to scam anyone but to succeed they need to play along as well. Also, in another point, you are right that they are within us, they learn, listen and take note of everything then work on it for their own benefits. However, I do not totally agree with your last paragraph; they can be smart but will most of the times have a flaw thus the thing is finding that flaw. Nevertheless, all the time we need to be at alert and ready while learning more on how to protect ourselves from scams as well as scammers.

Scammers are very smart and who will say that they will smart? they became smart because they have the talent to scam huge people or almighty people so that to be able
to become a scammer then you must be equipped by good knowledge in order to know how they will be able to cheat with those people that have a good knowledge so we just
consider that they are smart as well.