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Title: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on February 13, 2020, 03:58:31 AM

Introduction to Blackjack

Blackjack is a fast pace casino game. It is part of table and card games offered in every casino around the world and it is the second most popular card gambling game, after poker.
The enormous popularity of blackjack is obvious once you understand that blackjack is one of the few gambling games that are not solely reliant on luck. This means that skilled players that master basic blackjack strategy can gain an advantage over the casino.



Game Objective

Blackjack is played against the casino so the main objective is to have a total hand value that exceeds the total hand value of the dealer without going over a total point value of 21.
A traditional 52 cards deck is used (or several decks) and each card has a point value attached to it. Aces count as 1 or 11, Face cards (King, Queen and Jack) count as 10 and all other cards keep the value that is printed on them.



How to Play

The dealer deals each player two cards facing up. The dealer also gets two cards but only one is facing up and the other is facing down (known as the hole card). Players are allowed to draw additional cards to the total hand value of 21.Once a player drew a card that takes his total hand value above 21 they bust out of the game. Both the dealer or player can win the hand with low valued hands in situations when one or the other busted out of the game.




Blackjack Strategy

Unlike most casino games where the only factor that determines a win or a loss is luck, blackjack is a game where skill plays a big part. Since most casino games are based on independent trials, the outcome of a round of play has no bearing on the next round of play.

In blackjack the situation is reversed and previous rounds have a great effect on subsequent rounds. This is because many hands of blackjack are played from the moment a single deck or several decks of cards are shuffled and put into play and until the point of the reshuffle.

The cards that were used in each hand of blackjack are discarded after the hand and the next hand is played only with the cards that remain in the shoe. This means that each round of blackjack offers a different probability of reaching different blackjack hands and depends on which cards are still in play.

Skilled players with good memory or even better; the ability to count cards, can take great advantage of this situation to the extent that they eliminate the house edge completely and the game becomes favorable to the player and not to the casino.



Online Blackjack

Many players enjoy playing their favorite blackjack games at online casinos. Most online casinos offer the game of blackjack as a software-based game that is governed by a Random Numbers Generator (RNG) or they can play live-dealer blackjack that simulates real casino play.

When playing blackjack on the casino software there is no option of counting cards as there is an automatic shuffle after every hand play, so the probability of reach different blackjack hands is the same in every round. The RNG ensures fair-play and players can still gain an advantage by applying blackjack strategy when making decisions.

In live-dealer blackjack the game is played from a real casino studio with real professional dealers and is streamed directly to your computer screen using the online casino software. Several players are able to play at the same table and watch the cards shuffled and dealt.

Live-dealer blackjack creates conditions that are identical to those in land-based casinos so players that are skilled at card counting can take advantage of these games.



Source:
http://www.blackjackonweb.com/blackjack-school/introduction-to-blackjack.html
https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/BJA_Basic_Strategy.jpg




After the brief explanation about Blackjack which I hope you understand somehow ::). I'm inviting you guys to play online Blackjack @Fortunejack(Evolution Gaming Live Blackjack) so we can enjoy both winning and losing at the same time. It's really cool to play it with friends. I'm always playing every weekends and sometimes at night during weekdays if my schedule is not tight. This is my way to relax and relieve some pressure.I usually don't play with huge amount of money.  :D

I open for discussion about strategy and experience during the game including psychological effect of Blackjack during the game. I will share here my statistics on my Blackjack weekly so that
I can track my PnL.  :D



Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Beparanf on February 13, 2020, 06:56:28 AM
I do play blackjack with family before, and I often lose as I think it  favored mostly on the dealer since he can still choose to add many cards as long as he didn't beat the decided shown card of the player. However it's really fun playing especially when you'll be able to beat the dealer. I might try it in Fortune jack later this day and will try my luck as this thread reminds me the bonding time we played before.

It's a good note to not use huge amount in any gambling games though.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Debonaire217 on February 13, 2020, 09:07:59 AM
I don't know if I am the only one who has their first experience of playing Black Jack through big fish games: The Casino Island, the basic rules and game play of Blackjack is quite simple to understand that is why in just an early age, I've already know how to play this game.

Since the OP have already shared some tips, I want to add up mine:

  • You need to start in a low bet amount, basically, you could earn and bet even higher when game progresses, and when you win.
  • Make sure to always consider 17, as it is the crucial number that the house is also considering. If your card is below 17, the chances of asking for a new card and not getting busted is quite higher, basically, it is riskier to acquire more cards when you have above 17.
  • Do not ride the tide, what that means is that, if your funds gets doubled, don't think about it to always win, but to lower down your bet as well. Basically, doubling your bets based from your winning will just be worthless if you lose once.

For gamblers, I advice that this kind of game is the one we should learn as our first gambling game, because the rules isn't hard enough to understand, and the odds of winning will not just depend on pure luck.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: swogerino on February 13, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
These are good rules in general and good tips.The problem with me though I have always lost big amounts of money playing BlackJack.Of course I have lost against a computer controlled software which even when I had 20 then he computer opened up 3-4 cards to make exactly 21 BlackJack and did so several times.Practically impossible to win against the computer for me.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on February 14, 2020, 11:50:23 AM
I do play blackjack with family before, and I often lose as I think it  favored mostly on the dealer since he can still choose to add many cards as long as he didn't beat the decided shown card of the player.h.

Correction on this, It's true that the dealer has the advantage since player will do the first move and once you busted, You are totally out of the game no matter what the card of the dealer at the end. But on the other hand.The Dealer needs to draw a card until it reach 17 and higher so if the dealer is starting card is a total of 15 and 16, Then you have the advantage since the chance of getting 7 and above cards is very high if you do the math.

At the end, If you follow the strategy table above and never loss your focus during the game, Your chance of winning is above 50% compared to other pure luck based game like dice.

I don't know if I am the only one who has their first experience of playing Black Jack through big fish games: The Casino Island, the basic rules and game play of Blackjack is quite simple to understand that is why in just an early age, I've already know how to play this game.

Since the OP have already shared some tips, I want to add up mine:

  • You need to start in a low bet amount, basically, you could earn and bet even higher when game progresses, and when you win.
  • Make sure to always consider 17, as it is the crucial number that the house is also considering. If your card is below 17, the chances of asking for a new card and not getting busted is quite higher, basically, it is riskier to acquire more cards when you have above 17.
  • Do not ride the tide, what that means is that, if your funds gets doubled, don't think about it to always win, but to lower down your bet as well. Basically, doubling your bets based from your winning will just be worthless if you lose once.

For gamblers, I advice that this kind of game is the one we should learn as our first gambling game, because the rules isn't hard enough to understand, and the odds of winning will not just depend on pure luck.

This is quite new to me. The rules is not typical to the normal Blackjack in terms of betting. I will look to this game (if it's still available) then I will get back to you.If possible can you provide link to the website here or PM me so that I will visit the right website. Thanks for sharing tho.  :D



These are good rules in general and good tips.The problem with me though I have always lost big amounts of money playing BlackJack.Of course I have lost against a computer controlled software which even when I had 20 then he computer opened up 3-4 cards to make exactly 21 BlackJack and did so several times.Practically impossible to win against the computer for me.

That's why I always preferred live BlackJack which you can guarantee that game is fair unlike other software that has cheat on there coding. I have friend that working in the licensing on casino in
Costa Rica that admits that some of the casino software has cheat on it.

Do you play on EOS dapps? There are so many Blackjack in the EOS dapps which they boast that the game is fair but the code is not
open source. Just avoid playing on any coded game no matter how fair they claim it. Just choose the LIVE games always. We can play sometime in the fortunejack live blackjack. Just PM me here or in telegram during weekends. I'm always playing there at 5-10$ table. :)




Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: dimonstration on February 14, 2020, 01:35:30 PM
Playing Blackjack indeed requires skills and memory analysis. You can calculate your chance of winning if you know that some cards where already out of decks or already used. It is a fun game when you know the strategies and focus on the cards. It's easier to analyze it when we really put our focus as well limit our bettings too.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: bering on February 14, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
The most excited from this game when we hit blackjack cards during game and besides that for me one of the most difficult to take decissions during playing is when our cards hit 18 or 19 and very confused because if we hit again the cards then it's more likely to get busted because reach more than 21 and sometimes if we decide to hold at those number then the dealers will win with 20


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: tokeweed on February 14, 2020, 02:31:00 PM
Counting cards is the only way to beat Blackjack consistently imo.  Are there people in here who got extensive card counting experience who's willing to teach?  Asking for a friend.

And about online Blackjack...  How decks of cards do online casinos usually use. I think it doesn't matter if there's a constant shuffle for card counting to be effective as long as the number of cards aren't rigged.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on February 17, 2020, 03:32:39 AM

And about online Blackjack...  How decks of cards do online casinos usually use. I think it doesn't matter if there's a constant shuffle for card counting to be effective as long as the number of cards aren't rigged.

They have atleast 10 decks of card on each set and It will be very hard to count unless you have a friend who can help you count it. I believe they are using same amount of cards on each set but I can't verify if that is the complete set of card A-K or just random cards to complete the set.

One thing I like online me blackjack is you can guarantee that the game is not rigged unlike blackjack software games. In that way, You can lose with peace of mind.  ;D

I will try to count the decks and verify whether they are using complete set of cards or not. I will update this thread once I'm finish so wish me luck.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: KrisAlex18 on February 17, 2020, 03:57:20 AM
I have already played this game before, and I find it so enjoyable because I am not relying on luck hence to my ability and skills in this card game. It is much better if gambling will base on your strategy than hopping on your chance because you are the only one that will decide whether you win the game or not. If you are so intelligent and you have more experience in playing that kind of play, then it would be an advantage for you. The "blackjack is played on a semi-circular table covered with a felt cloth that usually seats up to a maximum of 7 players. There will be circle, or sometimes a square box, known as the betting spot, in front of each player in which the wager, using casino chips, is placed." so the character of being observant will be useful for you too because you should also observe your opponent if you are going to "hit" or to ask for more card. The strategy that I want to tell you is Don't count your card even if you know how to, some gamblers forget that thing, if they feel the happiness they forget to keep their card, they always speak out the number of their card. You should also know when to leave, in gambling, you should also limit yourself if you know that you are continuously losing the game.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on April 26, 2020, 08:43:21 AM
The strategy that I want to tell you is Don't count your card even if you know how to, some gamblers forget that thing, if they feel the happiness they forget to keep their card, they always speak out the number of their card. You should also know when to leave, in gambling, you should also limit yourself if you know that you are continuously losing the game.

Actually counting cards is now just a myth since most of the casino including online and land-based are using multiple decks in able to counter that method. Even though you are genius in math. It will take an hour or so for the cards on deck deplete and you can't guarantee that they are using a complete set of cards per deck.

I agree with that gambler should know when to leave because this is the only reason why 99.99% of gamblers loss in gambling. The probability of human error always increase whenever the duration of the game becomes longer.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: bittraffic on April 26, 2020, 03:33:04 PM

I have been playing in EOS dapps for awhile, blackjack isn't played much but its almost the same concept with baccarat that we use to play when were kids.

The strategy that I want to tell you is Don't count your card even if you know how to, some gamblers forget that thing, if they feel the happiness they forget to keep their card, they always speak out the number of their card. You should also know when to leave, in gambling, you should also limit yourself if you know that you are continuously losing the game.

Actually counting cards is now just a myth since most of the casino including online and land-based are using multiple decks in able to counter that method. Even though you are genius in math. It will take an hour or so for the cards on deck deplete and you can't guarantee that they are using a complete set of cards per deck.

I agree with that gambler should know when to leave because this is the only reason why 99.99% of gamblers loss in gambling. The probability of human error always increase whenever the duration of the game becomes longer.

This is why its hard to evaluate whether you hit or not when you have a good card already. ITs always better to see that the house only has 52 cards on hand.

Will you still hit if you have 15?


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on April 28, 2020, 11:28:48 PM

I have been playing in EOS dapps for awhile, blackjack isn't played much but its almost the same concept with baccarat that we use to play when were kids.

The strategy that I want to tell you is Don't count your card even if you know how to, some gamblers forget that thing, if they feel the happiness they forget to keep their card, they always speak out the number of their card. You should also know when to leave, in gambling, you should also limit yourself if you know that you are continuously losing the game.

Actually counting cards is now just a myth since most of the casino including online and land-based are using multiple decks in able to counter that method. Even though you are genius in math. It will take an hour or so for the cards on deck deplete and you can't guarantee that they are using a complete set of cards per deck.

I agree with that gambler should know when to leave because this is the only reason why 99.99% of gamblers loss in gambling. The probability of human error always increase whenever the duration of the game becomes longer.

This is why its hard to evaluate whether you hit or not when you have a good card already. ITs always better to see that the house only has 52 cards on hand.

Will you still hit if you have 15?
It depends on the house card reveal that time. If it's 9, 10 &  Ace and the deck is still many (atleast half) . Then I do a risky hit especially if there only few low number already out that time. I do this for entertainment purposes since the chance of winning on that scenario was slim, Then its easy to do a risky decision. That's the fun in blackjack.

Anyway there is a cool online app of blackjack in playstore to practice skills. You should check it here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.banananadco.blackjack


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: bittraffic on May 04, 2020, 05:30:02 PM

I'm in bethash.io though. This casino doesn't use the Random Numbers Generator (RNG) but the tx IDs to generate results making it fairer. Its a decentralized crypto casino,  I'm sure you have heard of it as they do have a thread here.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: ralle14 on May 04, 2020, 11:39:14 PM
I used to play live blackjack on fortunejack the experience was great but most of the time you'll have to wait or bet behind someone because their tables fill in quickly and they only have one or two tables for low limits. I tried software blackjack a few times and it felt less entertaining since there's no interaction each round only lasts a few seconds but the good part with software blackjack is the low limits reaching to 1 satoshi.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on May 05, 2020, 09:31:25 AM

I'm in bethash.io though. This casino doesn't use the Random Numbers Generator (RNG) but the tx IDs to generate results making it fairer. Its a decentralized crypto casino,  I'm sure you have heard of it as they do have a thread here.


I'm not familiar to bethash.io but I will take look on it once I'm in mood to gamble. I loss my interest to gamble since this pandemic. Thinking that I'm gambling while other people are fighting against COVID19 is making me shame.

Also I'm only playing a live Blackjack and I don't have trust to a program game tho. It's more fun to interact with other player.


I used to play live blackjack on fortunejack the experience was great but most of the time you'll have to wait or bet behind someone because their tables fill in quickly and they only have one or two tables for low limits. I tried software blackjack a few times and it felt less entertaining since there's no interaction each round only lasts a few seconds but the good part with software blackjack is the low limits reaching to 1 satoshi.

Cool, You are right that it's hard to sit on 0.5$ to 1$ since lot of player are waiting. The trick there is to watch carefully each player and take note there PnL(profit loss).
Then keep an eye to those player who has the most losing streak which surely will leave his seat any moment after the game.

I always seat at 5 to 10$ table since it's easier and less hassle to take a seat. But it's more fun to play in blackjack party (0.5 to 1$) because the group chat there is very alive compared to other table. Most importantly, the dealer there is very alive and making jokes unlike other seats that the dealer are very serious and just like playing to a regular casino.  ;D


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: bittraffic on May 05, 2020, 05:31:15 PM

I thought you do play online since you brought up that Random Numbers Generator for provably fair casinos.  Provably fair online exist in bitcoin casinos but certainly, there are more ways to make it fairer like the tx IDs that may e for someone untrusting to online casinos will start trusting. I even prefer sports betting only but now the sports events are postponed everywhere, I end up playing blackjack and dice.

Cool, You are right that it's hard to sit on 0.5$ to 1$ since lot of player are waiting. The trick there is to watch carefully each player and take note there PnL(profit loss).
Then keep an eye to those player who has the most losing streak which surely will leave his seat any moment after the game.

I always seat at 5 to 10$ table since it's easier and less hassle to take a seat. But it's more fun to play in blackjack party (0.5 to 1$) because the group chat there is very alive compared to other table. Most importantly, the dealer there is very alive and making jokes unlike other seats that the dealer are very serious and just like playing to a regular casino.  ;D

If the person experience a straight losing streak on that seat, why should you replace him on that seat when you could also experience the same loss?



Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on May 06, 2020, 02:40:53 AM

I thought you do play online since you brought up that Random Numbers Generator for provably fair casinos.  Provably fair online exist in bitcoin casinos but certainly, there are more ways to make it fairer like the tx IDs that may e for someone untrusting to online casinos will start trusting. I even prefer sports betting only but now the sports events are postponed everywhere, I end up playing blackjack and dice.

Ahhh. My post is just a general overview for blackjack game. Sorry for confusing. But I play some of it before and suffer a tremendous loss since its fast game. That's why I hate playing it now since I can't guarantee if the software is really fair.  Sounds like butthurt tho. >:(




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If the person experience a straight losing streak on that seat, why should you replace him on that seat when you could also experience the same loss?


For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)



Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 03:16:57 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: vennali on May 06, 2020, 03:40:30 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.
Blackjack is just luck and for entertainment at this point. Cant Objectively look at it to make money out of it. Blackjack and slots are devised to bring revenues to the casino as the odds are always in their favor. So, even if you are the "most skilled blackjack player in the history of mankind" Dont think you can manage 8 wins in a row with jsut skill. It will have to be a ton of luck in your favor. I barely see 5 win streaks, so..yeah 8 is gonna be really hard.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Bttzed03 on May 06, 2020, 04:03:27 AM
One of the many card games that I find it tough to win  ;D
I respect guys who can sit for hours and end with a profit. This really require tons of concentration if you plan to win.

~ It will be very hard to count unless you have a friend who can help you count it.
Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.



Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 04:34:46 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.
So, even if you are the "most skilled blackjack player in the history of mankind" Dont think you can manage 8 wins in a row with jsut skill. It will have to be a ton of luck in your favor. I barely see 5 win streaks, so..yeah 8 is gonna be really hard.

Yeah, that is why I decided not to join because of the number of streaks.

And worse, a push is enough for the streak to end and you will have to start all over again. I don't quite agree with that. It makes everything
a lot harder. Another thing is that a win from split does not add to your streak.

But other Blackjack fans here might find the terms fair enough and join.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: bittraffic on May 06, 2020, 05:47:37 AM

Its a punishment already to keep you waiting for hours for the seat to be available and then you end up losing because of the bad cards of that seat's fate. But while you're sitting already, you might just bet a few dollars to find out how bad the cards and your luck.

One of the many card games that I find it tough to win  ;D
I respect guys who can sit for hours and end with a profit. This really require tons of concentration if you plan to win.

~ It will be very hard to count unless you have a friend who can help you count it.
Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.



And you'll also find out how fair the casino if there is no extra As.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: leea-1334 on May 06, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.

Depends,,, all casinos ban card counting in real life and these days, it is impossible to card count when decks are shuffled so often, and especially at big casinos there is even software now to determine whether or not wins at tables are more than expected. Then they move to you and see if you are counting or not.

BTW online is impossible. Every hand shuffled with 8 decks or more. You simply cannot count this way.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on May 06, 2020, 09:47:28 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price.  FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. ;D


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 10:03:23 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price.  FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. ;D

Mate, that's not just $200. That's 200 mBTC, so that's 0.2 BTC if I'm not mistaken since 1 mBTC is 0.001 BTC.

If you have made it to a total of 11 winning streak, then 8 might not be too hard for you. But, make no mistake, I am not asking you to join. Again, I am just sharing this in case you or anybody else is interested.

Here's for more details: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/blackjack-master


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: StephenJH on May 06, 2020, 10:10:24 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price.  FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. ;D

Mate, that's not just $200. That's 200 mBTC, so that's 0.2 BTC if I'm not mistaken since 1 mBTC is 0.001 BTC.

If you have made it to a total of 11 winning streak, then 8 might not be too hard for you. But, make no mistake, I am not asking you to join. Again, I am just sharing this in case you or anybody else is interested.

Here's for more details: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/blackjack-master
Hitting 8 streak win in a row is not easy but the reward worth giving it a shot, the only downside is the one rule which doesn't count the push bet as a winning bet. One single push will make it to start over again and it can take forever to reach the end of the chain.

Not everyone is lucky enough to get 8 straight wins a single row or in the one game session. Some gambling platforms have a nice promotion regarding the lossback or cashback money return promos but there is no such thing on the mentioned blackjack platform.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on May 06, 2020, 10:17:48 AM
For me. I don't believe in bad luck in blackjack since it's not a pure luck game. We have different skills and there's also no guarantee that I will suffer same loss streak to the previous owner of the seat. It's 50/50 after all so it's worth trying. Besides that. It's so hard to timing an empty seat there if everyone is winning.  ;)

Just sharing this as you seem to be a Blackjack fan. This is being held on Sportsbet. This is happening daily until May 17. The rule is simply to win 8 times in a row. Of course, there are a few more terms. You need to go over them as well.

https://i.imgur.com/6EhcdiS.png



Anyway, I believe no amount of strategy will defeat luck in Blackjack unless you have card-counting skills. Without that, basic strategies may help a little but won't really make you win if you have bad cards.

Woooaahh. This is awesome event and thanks for sharing. But there event is not a Live Blackjack and I stop playing a software blackjack. But 200$ for an 8 win streak is not bad for a minimum of 1mbtc per bet only. Maybe I will try it out once I have time to create account there. Currently most of my funds is on fortunejack and stock there due to wagering requirements. I forgot about since I stop playing there for a month.

Guys, This event is worth trying. Try to follow table guide above and you might get 200$ price.  FYI my longest win streak to a BJ software made by betsoft company was 11 win streak. So I believe its possible. ;D

Mate, that's not just $200. That's 200 mBTC, so that's 0.2 BTC if I'm not mistaken since 1 mBTC is 0.001 BTC.

If you have made it to a total of 11 winning streak, then 8 might not be too hard for you. But, make no mistake, I am not asking you to join. Again, I am just sharing this in case you or anybody else is interested.

Here's for more details: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/blackjack-master

Oh yeah that's insane. My eyesight was very poor since my eyeglass was broke by my dog yesterday. Anyway, I'm not familiar blackjack software provider on sportsbet.io. Is there a way that can verify that each game was probably fair. I will try this one tomorrow with 0.01BTC deposit. I will post my bet result tomorrow here no matter what the result. Thanks again gor sharing.

To others, please share any blackjack promotion on different casino so that other BJ player out there might join and win the prize.  :D


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: bbc.reporter on May 12, 2020, 01:40:24 AM
Winners' reactions are nice in the thread of slot machines memes, however, losers reactions on a game of internet blackjack are the funniest hehehe.

https://youtu.be/fKPTFUU9Pfs

He lost $17.5k within 10 minutes.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: carlisle1 on May 12, 2020, 02:59:45 AM
Winners' reactions are nice in the thread of slot machines memes, however, losers reactions on a game of internet blackjack are the funniest hehehe.

https://youtu.be/fKPTFUU9Pfs

He lost $17.5k within 10 minutes.
That’s huge amount 17.5k  in just 10 minutes?i will never found myself dealing with that amount to risked and surely that is the right example of addiction mate.

There are big losses that come across before but not in that short period of time because what about if he can play for an hour?means he also can lose 87.5k and that can be a whole life budget of a simple person.
Isn't this illegal or against the game rules? I understand that you and your friend can get away with this in the online game but it's not that easy to pull this one on land-based.

Depends,,, all casinos ban card counting in real life and these days, it is impossible to card count when decks are shuffled so often, and especially at big casinos there is even software now to determine whether or not wins at tables are more than expected. Then they move to you and see if you are counting or not.

BTW online is impossible. Every hand shuffled with 8 decks or more. You simply cannot count this way.
You cannot count but the table can,thats how they cheat gamblers lol,i have known a dealer waybacknd doing the same


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: shoreno on May 12, 2020, 04:02:40 AM
Winners' reactions are nice in the thread of slot machines memes, however, losers reactions on a game of internet blackjack are the funniest hehehe.

https://youtu.be/fKPTFUU9Pfs

He lost $17.5k within 10 minutes.
That’s huge amount 17.5k  in just 10 minutes?i will never found myself dealing with that amount to risked and surely that is the right example of addiction mate.

There are big losses that come across before but not in that short period of time because what about if he can play for an hour?means he also can lose 87.5k and that can be a whole life budget of a simple person.


bj is a fast paced game so yeah its possible  . the outcome can be win and loss so if your lucky you can win big and leave but if not then sorry   . me iether i bet yolo or all in bets because if you bet small and you got lucky to hit a green , i feel that i just wasted that moment  , i feel i just wasted that luck and if i tried again most of the times i just lost and lost   . on other games like plinko  , you can bet big and expect to last a little more longer  . we play this game for fun or just to kill the time


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: btc78 on May 12, 2020, 06:07:17 AM


bj is a fast paced game so yeah its possible  . the outcome can be win and loss so if your lucky you can win big and leave but if not then sorry   . me iether i bet yolo or all in bets because if you bet small and you got lucky to hit a green , i feel that i just wasted that moment  , i feel i just wasted that luck and if i tried again most of the times i just lost and lost   . on other games like plinko  , you can bet big and expect to last a little more longer  . we play this game for fun or just to kill the time

That is the same reason why i limit my budget anytime i played BJ and Poker because they can be a fast winning or losing game and may bring us to Big losses like what the mentioned above.

i think BlackJack is one fun game but lets play with limitation and knowledge that this will end up badly if not treated carefully and seriously .


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on May 21, 2020, 07:49:37 AM
I play in one game for 7-8 hours and all the time I end them with some profit that helped me to buy a new house, car and maintain all my family. Some weeks ago I tried a new one http://www.thaibon.com/ (http://www.thaibon.com/) after friends' advice and I liked it because here I win more than usual and this surprised me. Now my earnings increased 2 times and this makes me happy because in some months I will can to accomplish my dream to buy a sportive car Mercedes Benz C63S and it is really amazing.

This is my first time to hear a very positive outcome in playing gambling. I'm winning too but not same level as yours. It's too good to be true unless you have a method like counting cards and other tricks that guaranteed winnings. And lastly, Maybe you are the first person that I know that won that huge amount of money that might result to bankruptcy of the online casino that you are playing.

On the side note, I can't access the website that you provided. It's restricted to my country which is a bit odd because my country is very open on online casino.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Saint-loup on July 24, 2022, 07:31:55 PM
Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on July 24, 2022, 07:41:42 PM
Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

I play Pragmatic Blackjack before and there’s no surrender feature even when I watch the streaming of Drake recently which he play blackjack on pragmatic one blackjack. Ezugi is the only Live casino that offers early surrender on the game for live blackjack so far. Most of the blackjack games that has surrender feature are those video blackjack like the one from Bgaming.

In my case, I usually hit 1 card as substitute for the surrender feature(except 15 and 16) since this is considered as partly lose card already.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Saint-loup on July 24, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

I play Pragmatic Blackjack before and there’s no surrender feature even when I watch the streaming of Drake recently which he play blackjack on pragmatic one blackjack. Ezugi is the only Live casino that offers early surrender on the game for live blackjack so far. Most of the blackjack games that has surrender feature are those video blackjack like the one from Bgaming.

In my case, I usually hit 1 card as substitute for the surrender feature(except 15 and 16) since this is considered as partly lose card already.
You are right but the table you have provided in your OP doesn't take into account the early surrender option, only the late one which doesn't allow to avoid dealer BJs. Do you have a relevant table for applying the basic strategy to live BJ providers offering this feature?
And do you remember when you use to play BJ at Pragmatic Play if Doubling down After Split was allowed or not by chance?


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on July 28, 2022, 01:15:34 PM
Thank you for this table I wasn't even aware that the strategy was different when the Double After Split option was available or not. Anyway do you know which live BJ providers are offering this option? I've quickly looked at few tables of some providers and it seems that DAS is not allowed at Evolution tables except at Power Blackjack tables. It's not available at One Touch tables. It was available at all tables of Ezugi I've checked.
But I couldn't understand if Pragmatic Play is offering it or not. Their rules are not very clear about that. Does anyone know?

I play Pragmatic Blackjack before and there’s no surrender feature even when I watch the streaming of Drake recently which he play blackjack on pragmatic one blackjack. Ezugi is the only Live casino that offers early surrender on the game for live blackjack so far. Most of the blackjack games that has surrender feature are those video blackjack like the one from Bgaming.

In my case, I usually hit 1 card as substitute for the surrender feature(except 15 and 16) since this is considered as partly lose card already.
You are right but the table you have provided in your OP doesn't take into account the early surrender option, only the late one which doesn't allow to avoid dealer BJs. Do you have a relevant table for applying the basic strategy to live BJ providers offering this feature?
And do you remember when you use to play BJ at Pragmatic Play if Doubling down After Split was allowed or not by chance?
AFAIK but I’m not really sure since I’m more on using evolution gaming rather than pragmatic due to geo restrictions, Pragmatic use vegs rule on there Blackjack which means you can double down on any number on your 2 cards so there is a ghigh possibility that they allow double down after split because I play some blackjack like this before and I do manage to double down on split but I never try on pragmatic blackjack.

In regards with the table. That's the common matrix for blackjack and the rest that you mention about missing surrender feature on current blackjack games is already required case to case basis because it needs card counting to have an accurate decision making for that scenario.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on September 09, 2022, 03:35:06 PM
I just want to update this thread after I saw a live blackjack provider with surrender. I recently saw Ezugi game provider that offers live Blackjack game with surrender but sadly they only have this option on there VIP tables. I always play on Evolution gaming table only but no table offer a surrender option. The reason I brought this up is because the matrix on the OP works perfectly on blackjack with surrender because you will only lose half of your bet if you surrender rather than risk your bad card on losing all your bet.

Maybe some of you guys is playing on different game provider that offers surrender feature on normal blackjack table. I will try to do more research about this kind of table in different game provider to share it with you guys.

You can check the Ezugi blackjack table on this link: https://www.livebet.com/casino/live-casino/ezugi/vip-blackjack-with-surrender


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: ryzaadit on September 09, 2022, 04:14:57 PM
-snip-
Even the casino has a "Surrender" feature.

People are not gonna use it, maybe only 2-5% of people who are using this feature, same with "Insurance". IMO, these 2 option do no need to be provided what we need only a side bet but some big casinos don't have this in land base.

The provided you're mention is quite rare, no body playing on there. That's why is not really popular, we're more often playing in Evolution.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 25, 2022, 04:14:52 AM
I just want to update this thread after I saw a live blackjack provider with surrender. I recently saw Ezugi game provider that offers live Blackjack game with surrender but sadly they only have this option on there VIP tables. I always play on Evolution gaming table only but no table offer a surrender option. The reason I brought this up is because the matrix on the OP works perfectly on blackjack with surrender because you will only lose half of your bet if you surrender rather than risk your bad card on losing all your bet.

Maybe some of you guys is playing on different game provider that offers surrender feature on normal blackjack table. I will try to do more research about this kind of table in different game provider to share it with you guys.

You can check the Ezugi blackjack table on this link: https://www.livebet.com/casino/live-casino/ezugi/vip-blackjack-with-surrender

I like the experience there, anyway I would like to know what options for the future do you have in blackjack? They can't do some live tournaments, but in PVP mode? I have highly recommended this to casino platforms, but for poker, but blackjack is a great option, of course each casino has its own conditions, I don't know how difficult it is, but if they manage to do something like this it will be a infallible traffic option, I understand that poker and Black Jack are traditional games that are always good to rescue, they are very relevant and currently people who like these games go to play slots, but I am very sure that if they reach do it so they can bring them back.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on November 19, 2022, 01:25:28 PM
I just like to give you a heads up about Duelbits evolution gaming live blackjack update. They are now offering a cashout to your bet in every decision making that you will made. A high card while dealer card is low will give you an early cashout with profit and vice versa. This is different to the normal surrender because you can still click cash out even if you already hit a card as long as you are still on decision phase of the game but of course the amount varies base on winning probability of your card.

I don’t know if this feature is available on other casino but I only see this feature on Duelbits but maybe other casino that I’m not playing offers this too. Take the chance to enjoy this feature because it increase your winning probability and reduce risk if you play well without being affected by your emotion.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Beparanf on November 19, 2022, 03:38:58 PM
I just like to give you a heads up about Duelbits evolution gaming live blackjack update. They are now offering a cashout to your bet in every decision making that you will made. A high card while dealer card is low will give you an early cashout with profit and vice versa. This is different to the normal surrender because you can still click cash out even if you already hit a card as long as you are still on decision phase of the game but of course the amount varies base on winning probability of your card.

I don’t know if this feature is available on other casino but I only see this feature on Duelbits but maybe other casino that I’m not playing offers this too. Take the chance to enjoy this feature because it increase your winning probability and reduce risk if you play well without being affected by your emotion.

Stake has this kind of option long time ago even on there exclusive table on evolution gaming. I’m not playing anymore blackjack on Duelbits but I’m surprised that they adapt this feature too.  I have a terrible experience on Stake using this cashout button because you will lose confidence on your card in case the dealer card is above 7 even though your card is still good to beat the dealer with just one good hit.

With this feature, You will be scared hitting additional if your card count is above 11. Simply you will just lose confidence stepping out to your comfort zone and keeps accepting loss all through put your game. This is good technically but it’s very hard to fight emotion when that is the problem.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on November 20, 2022, 11:36:40 AM
I just like to give you a heads up about Duelbits evolution gaming live blackjack update. They are now offering a cashout to your bet in every decision making that you will made. A high card while dealer card is low will give you an early cashout with profit and vice versa. This is different to the normal surrender because you can still click cash out even if you already hit a card as long as you are still on decision phase of the game but of course the amount varies base on winning probability of your card.

I don’t know if this feature is available on other casino but I only see this feature on Duelbits but maybe other casino that I’m not playing offers this too. Take the chance to enjoy this feature because it increase your winning probability and reduce risk if you play well without being affected by your emotion.

Stake has this kind of option long time ago even on there exclusive table on evolution gaming. I’m not playing anymore blackjack on Duelbits but I’m surprised that they adapt this feature too.  I have a terrible experience on Stake using this cashout button because you will lose confidence on your card in case the dealer card is above 7 even though your card is still good to beat the dealer with just one good hit.

Thanks for sharing the info about Stake.com. I’m not playing there most of the time and I didn’t notice that they already had this feature too. Stake has an exclusive table from evolution gaming same to Duelbits. I believe casino that has exclusive table for blackjack on evolution have this kind of special customization on there blackjack table.

With this feature, You will be scared hitting additional if your card count is above 11. Simply you will just lose confidence stepping out to your comfort zone and keeps accepting loss all through put your game. This is good technically but it’s very hard to fight emotion when that is the problem.

That is why I mention that you should play by the book and don’t let your emotion control you. I suggest to create a specific rule book that will indicate decision making in different scenarios so that you can use it as guide in case your emotion is messing your game.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 02, 2022, 06:44:35 PM
I just like to give you a heads up about Duelbits evolution gaming live blackjack update. They are now offering a cashout to your bet in every decision making that you will made. A high card while dealer card is low will give you an early cashout with profit and vice versa. This is different to the normal surrender because you can still click cash out even if you already hit a card as long as you are still on decision phase of the game but of course the amount varies base on winning probability of your card.

I don’t know if this feature is available on other casino but I only see this feature on Duelbits but maybe other casino that I’m not playing offers this too. Take the chance to enjoy this feature because it increase your winning probability and reduce risk if you play well without being affected by your emotion.

Stake has this kind of option long time ago even on there exclusive table on evolution gaming. I’m not playing anymore blackjack on Duelbits but I’m surprised that they adapt this feature too.  I have a terrible experience on Stake using this cashout button because you will lose confidence on your card in case the dealer card is above 7 even though your card is still good to beat the dealer with just one good hit.

With this feature, You will be scared hitting additional if your card count is above 11. Simply you will just lose confidence stepping out to your comfort zone and keeps accepting loss all through put your game. This is good technically but it’s very hard to fight emotion when that is the problem.

If that function is on stake.com, I haven't played duelbtis black jack for a long time, but it seems very good to me, although as they have said before, I consider this a double-edged sword, but there are some players who like the function and take advantage of it, and do not take into account the apparent risks that it may entail, so for me it is a very good option, for others I do not know, but I find it very pleasant that Duelbits is putting all this in their games, that means that is putting the best updates so that its players stay there even more hooked, this is something that I admire, because I know that they are doing their best to continue believing and be at the level of the greatest.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: virasisog on December 02, 2022, 07:00:06 PM
I've been applying different patterns and strategies in Blackjack but there's no specific way to have a winning streak. It always breaks after two to five winning cards that's the reason why I still consider it luck based game because for me, skilled doesn't really work on it all the time. Maybe for some time but not that often. However, Blackjack is still entertaining and addictive, to be honest.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Zackgeno96 on December 02, 2022, 09:00:15 PM
There are many different ideas to make roulette profitable. Could it be that you have a big disadvantage with roulette and that the house edge is always at least 5%? In roulette you have the problem that you have a 0 in the scoreboards, but how are the statistics in Roulette? Several robots have also been created that tell you exactly what to do with a card. Too bad that counting cards no longer works due to the high number of decks.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: OgNasty on December 02, 2022, 09:05:49 PM
I've been applying different patterns and strategies in Blackjack but there's no specific way to have a winning streak. It always breaks after two to five winning cards that's the reason why I still consider it luck based game because for me, skilled doesn't really work on it all the time. Maybe for some time but not that often. However, Blackjack is still entertaining and addictive, to be honest.

I think the entertainment factor is the biggest one.  All of these games are setup to where the house always wins in the end.  Winning streaks are just anomalies which usually don't last too long.  I think all of these games are luck based and the only real part where skill comes into play is when to step away with your winnings if you're ever lucky enough to get ahead in the first place.  People do enjoy playing though, so bad odds or not, if it's a good time you're going to find somebody doing it, no matter how much it costs them.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Saint-loup on December 02, 2022, 10:59:47 PM
If that function is on stake.com, I haven't played duelbtis black jack for a long time, but it seems very good to me, although as they have said before, I consider this a double-edged sword, but there are some players who like the function and take advantage of it, and do not take into account the apparent risks that it may entail, so for me it is a very good option, for others I do not know, but I find it very pleasant that Duelbits is putting all this in their games, that means that is putting the best updates so that its players stay there even more hooked, this is something that I admire, because I know that they are doing their best to continue believing and be at the level of the greatest.
I didn't understand what you mean, it's a very good option for you or a double-edged sword at the end? It sounds a little bit contradictory. Did you manage to make profits thanks to it actually? IMO it's like the games where you can bet on Teen Patti outcomes, odds are smaller than the real ones to happen and at the end you lose money in the long run by using it. Anyway it could be useful to protect your bankroll if it starts to be critically low.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Poker Player on December 03, 2022, 06:18:03 AM
I'm probably biased but I've never quite understood why people want to take Blackjack seriously.

The OP's image says that the perfect strategy cuts the casino edge to 0.5%. But it is still EV-. You have to learn strategy and card counting, which nowadays is often useless. I think it is worth using that time to learn other games where you can make EV+ moves, earning money regardless of the commissions charged by the casino.

I'm referring to poker obviously, and that's why I say I'm probably biased.

For me casino games, like roulette for example, have a component of entertainment, of fun, and you don't have to make an effort. You don't have to spend hours trying hard to learn roulette strategies (which you're not going to do unless you're a moron). In poker, on the other hand, with study time and effort you make a profit.

With blackjack, despite the effort in learning strategy and card counting,  I doubt that the percentage of people who make a profit is even 1% compared to poker.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on December 03, 2022, 12:50:19 PM
I'm probably biased but I've never quite understood why people want to take Blackjack seriously.

The OP's image says that the perfect strategy cuts the casino edge to 0.5%. But it is still EV-. You have to learn strategy and card counting, which nowadays is often useless. I think it is worth using that time to learn other games where you can make EV+ moves, earning money regardless of the commissions charged by the casino.

I'm referring to poker obviously, and that's why I say I'm probably biased.

For me casino games, like roulette for example, have a component of entertainment, of fun, and you don't have to make an effort. You don't have to spend hours trying hard to learn roulette strategies (which you're not going to do unless you're a moron). In poker, on the other hand, with study time and effort you make a profit.

With blackjack, despite the effort in learning strategy and card counting,  I doubt that the percentage of people who make a profit is even 1% compared to poker.

I do understand the point here as I try to study too poker guides but one thing I can only say was Poker is not for everybody due to its competitive characteristics. Not all gamblers mind is tailored to play like a pro in poker. Playing poker without having the talent is just like playing typical gambling games with -EV because most likely you will be dominated by other that undergo on the proper training.

I personally preferred the simplicity of Blackjack compared to Poker. Gambling against player somehow makes me feel uncomfortable especially that I’m really not good on card probability.

The only thing that makes me positive on blackjack is the pay rate of 1.5 on Blackjack and a chance to double down for extra profit. This way we can have a little bit edge against the banker if we only play it smart.

Poker is indeed the only games with +EV IF you are good on it. I know my skills and I don’t want to contribute my money to the profit of clever poker player so I decided to stick with Blackjack that has low house edge with extra bonus pay on BJ.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Mauser on December 03, 2022, 03:09:14 PM

I open for discussion about strategy and experience during the game including psychological effect of Blackjack during the game. I will share here my statistics on my Blackjack weekly so that
I can track my PnL.  :D



Good luck with your black jack career, hopefully you are going to make some money with it. Black Jack is together with roulette the oldest gambling games I know and I still love the game today after playing it for so long. After poker is black jack my second favourite card game. The rules are very easy so that you can learn it quickly and make your own strategies with it. There are also quite a few casino movies around the topic of card counting in black jack. Which is the only proven strategy that shifts the winning chances in the favor of the gamblers. That's why most casinos ban gamblers who are being caught counting cards. In high school we calculated probabilities of a few different strategies to find out the house edge. For me it's difficult to stay profitable over a longer period of time, but I still enjoy playing black jack regularly.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: SirLancelot on December 03, 2022, 08:59:03 PM
I've been applying different patterns and strategies in Blackjack but there's no specific way to have a winning streak. It always breaks after two to five winning cards that's the reason why I still consider it luck based game because for me, skilled doesn't really work on it all the time. Maybe for some time but not that often. However, Blackjack is still entertaining and addictive, to be honest.
I think the entertainment factor is the biggest one.  All of these games are setup to where the house always wins in the end.  Winning streaks are just anomalies which usually don't last too long.  I think all of these games are luck based and the only real part where skill comes into play is when to step away with your winnings if you're ever lucky enough to get ahead in the first place.  People do enjoy playing though, so bad odds or not, if it's a good time you're going to find somebody doing it, no matter how much it costs them.
If it's only about entertainment then I think there are more fun games to play out there than black jack. For me, I will only play blackjack if I want to possibly double my money and bet more in size because this game has a less house edge, same with roulette. If you have some experience in the game then that can also help increase your chances of winning.

A winning streak is hard but can happen if our luck is with us. It is hard for us to quit once we are winning so you might be right, that it takes a skill. Other than winning, there are gamblers who have a difficulty of quitting once they lose because they are going to redeposit again and again. This is bad and must be fixed asap.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: BitcoinAccepted on December 03, 2022, 09:24:31 PM
You can play blackjack in different ways and also approach it in different ways. you could say you have a certain advantage or disadvantage that as a player you have to say that you want to continue or fold if you have 15. The bank always has the advantage because if he has 16 with 2 cards then he has already won, while if you have 16 you would actually fold yourself. I'm certainly not a blackjack specialist, but it seems to me to be one of those games where you as a player have a fairly large statistical disadvantage.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on December 03, 2022, 09:42:59 PM
With blackjack, despite the effort in learning strategy and card counting,  I doubt that the percentage of people who make a profit is even 1% compared to poker.
First, I would like to start by saying that every game is fun in their different ways, and to different players, I bet a core blackjack lover would disagree with you where you said that blackjack is not fun to play, maybe you forgot that a man's food can be another man's poison.

I personally do not know how to play blackjack but I've always wanted to learn it, but with all you said, I am discouraged from learning it, it seems like one of those odd games reserved for the elderly or OGs  who already know all of the intricacies and mechanics of the game, and that is the only chance the player has at ever winning, which simply means there is no, or close to no chance for new players to make a profit.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Saint-loup on December 03, 2022, 10:35:19 PM
I'm probably biased but I've never quite understood why people want to take Blackjack seriously.

The OP's image says that the perfect strategy cuts the casino edge to 0.5%. But it is still EV-. You have to learn strategy and card counting, which nowadays is often useless. I think it is worth using that time to learn other games where you can make EV+ moves, earning money regardless of the commissions charged by the casino.

I'm referring to poker obviously, and that's why I say I'm probably biased.

For me casino games, like roulette for example, have a component of entertainment, of fun, and you don't have to make an effort. You don't have to spend hours trying hard to learn roulette strategies (which you're not going to do unless you're a moron). In poker, on the other hand, with study time and effort you make a profit.

With blackjack, despite the effort in learning strategy and card counting,  I doubt that the percentage of people who make a profit is even 1% compared to poker.
I disagree with you because Poker is a social game, so you can only hope a positive EV if you play against players weaker than you. And if you play against stronger players the EV can turn to be awful. Blackjack is a casino game, so the EV doesn't change and is known by the player. Then if you are a good blackjack player who is able to play without doing mistakes and to keep the house edge as lowest as possible, you can get a positive EV at the end thanks to the tournaments, bonuses and promotions offered by casinos.
Anyway on which casinos/gambling sites are you playing Poker precisely? Which ones do you recommend?


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on January 25, 2023, 12:49:35 PM
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Sharing my recent huge win on Blackjack. I rarely bet above 50$ on each table but I don't what comes to my mind to bet a 100$ each for 2 tables on Freebet Blackjack. I become curious on what's the feeling of betting a huge amount at that time and I really feel that I can get a free double at that time. Luckily I get 1 Blackjack and the other is 11 which is eligible for free double and turns out to be a perfect 21. Good thing that the dealer total count is not 21 at that time to make this round a complete success.

Do you have this kind of experience in which you knew that you will win on your next bet and it actually happened with a huge bet?


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: dimonstration on January 25, 2023, 02:59:37 PM
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Sharing my recent huge win on Blackjack. I rarely bet above 50$ on each table but I don't what comes to my mind to bet a 100$ each for 2 tables on Freebet Blackjack. I become curious on what's the feeling of betting a huge amount at that time and I really feel that I can get a free double at that time. Luckily I get 1 Blackjack and the other is 11 which is eligible for free double and turns out to be a perfect 21. Good thing that the dealer total count is not 21 at that time to make this round a complete success.

Do you have this kind of experience in which you knew that you will win on your next bet and it actually happened with a huge bet?

Solid win you got there with a lot of luck. I’m assuming that you’ve got nervous when the dealer show up 2 card is 11 since most of the time the dealer will hit 10 on this freebet blackjack. I really hate this table now because I keep losing while my hands is 20 and always tie when I get a double down or split. It’s very rare for me to experience a long win streak on this game because of that tie on 22 thing.

I do experience this kind of high roller bet when I have a bankroll of more than 2000$. But I’m using VIP table for less player so that I can focus on my bet. I believe the highest bet I made so far on a single bet is 500$ and won it with a blackjack just like your cards.


Title: Re: Blackjack Discussion Official Discussion and Lounge
Post by: Coin_trader on January 27, 2023, 11:12:50 AM
I’m assuming that you’ve got nervous when the dealer show up 2 card is 11 since most of the time the dealer will hit 10 on this freebet blackjack.

Not at all because I’m not looking when the dealer reveal his card. I already leave the game interfaced right after I click the advance free double down button to avoid being jinx my win besides I already won a sure 50$ from my Blackjack hand even if my second loss or not so I become confident and less nervous on this bet when I saw the first Blackjack.  ;)

I really hate this table now because I keep losing while my hands is 20 and always tie when I get a double down or split. It’s very rare for me to experience a long win streak on this game because of that tie on 22 thing.

I do experience this kind of high roller bet when I have a bankroll of more than 2000$. But I’m using VIP table for less player so that I can focus on my bet. I believe the highest bet I made so far on a single bet is 500$ and won it with a blackjack just like your cards.

You should change table immediately when you feel that the dealer is always very lucky on his hand. I notice on playing long on live Blackjack that there’s a dealer or specific table that keeps the house win no matter how good your card is. Also take notice about the winning streak of the stable. If most of the user get 5 or more streak then leave that table right after the streak since it will be a bloody lose streak next for all the players who will continue the session.

Just play on a table for a short time then move on to another table and find your sweet spot.