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sorry, i don't know if a topic like this has been created here.

I honestly know several gambling sites, which can be trusted to bet on this forum.

A little strange to me, for beginners who make the topic of gambling sites that end (scam), the most severe again at the first time gambling sites are made, beginners disappear never reply to what is asked by members here about the work of the gambling site.

Many people now fall into the valley of death for lost money, because gambling sites are not responsible.

what I want to ask is:

1. Mod can you, to limit any beginners and prohibit or delete posts on behalf of gambling sites, posted by beginners, it's up to gambling sites, whatever that is.
2. Give one posting rule on behalf of gambling sites must rank Jr. and above.
Also does not guarantee, for high-ranking members who bring gambling sites lead to fraud, but at least there is a reply from the answer, leads to something ....rather than beginners one post is instantly lost.

I think a few more ideas are needed from members here, in handling scam gambling sites.
Best solution.

its easy to create a new account and promote a scam site not just a gambling site  . that is why  ,  but  users here are not newbie and they inspect the site first or do some research before they entrust any money with it  .  

also now all newbie are posting scam links or scam gambling sites but i see other users asking some help on the popular and legit gambling sites , we should not restrict them or delete those post because those are valid  except only to those that are guilty and verified to be a scam gambling site  .

Yeah, it takes nothing but a little time to create and make an account to promote a shitty and scam website. But on the other end people ending to be attracted with a shitty gambling platform is the one to blame for themselves because it's their job to know if the platform is legit or not with a prototyping or testing the service.

I agree that there are some newbie who intentionally posts a scammy website but there are several newbies that is making a good effort in creating and posting interesting topics.

That is why many newbie accounts are used to do scamer by creating a new gambling site thread so that more and more people see or try it even though it is a trap so that many are caught on the site.
I still don't believe that if a newbie account makes a thread about gambling, we will at least believe with Cooper Members and on average it's fine.

^ That is the reason for having a copper membership that can able to show images. If there is a new post of a link from a gambling site company and purchasing copper membership there is a high chance of legitimacy. Once it is a newbie and looks suspicious thread that seems not to be trusted. Mods/admin had no ability to determine a new dropped link is a scam, it should run for weeks or months before we can conclude that is a scam if there is a victim. If you noticed this above from every thread, "Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here". Do your own research is a must.

There's a purpose for that copper membership and the limited ability of newbie accounts to make a post here in this forum. I personally don't try depositing in a new gambling site unless there's a giveaway to try a gambling site. Some scammers tend to make good ideas/games that they implement in their gambling platform but in the end, it will end to a scam gambling site. This kind of idea can hit up getting a lot of potential gamblers but I don't know why did someone with a great idea will end up a scammer. These kind of scammer are too wise to make us really believe and make ourselves a fool because of such good ideas.

Advertising here on the forum doesn't make a gambling site a 100% legit, Some of them do have some issues but in the end, it eliminates a high percentage of possibility that it will turn into a scam knowing that the owner allocated funds in order for them to get know by gamblers.

I'm just glad that mods and staff here are doing their best to eliminate the possible scam scheme of members here especially those who are just a dummy accounts that are ready to get banned.

Yes, I agree "copper members" can at least be held accountable regarding their gambling situation".

I have dozens of gambling site reports that point to fraud, Maybe in the future I should think of something like that, if a beginner displays a gambling site that ends up scam, if it can't be deleted or something that can be displayed that the gambling site is a scam.

Yes, maybe the report mod button, the best solution.

Limiting or implying those rules wont be possible.Why? This is supposedly a decentralized  forum and doing such behavior would
simply remove it out thats why even admins doesnt limit that much or prohibit newbies to post up.Its up on the public on how
they do deal with it.The thing here is that the community would able to give out feedbacks which newbie readers should at least have
the time to read and research.

That would not help much as there are rarely newbies posting an announcement for a gambling site. A copper membership is cheap and it's intended to be used as a way for businesses to announce their service.
Though I'm in favor of filtering out scams and frauds, enforcing more restrictions would bring more problems.
I'd rather suggest mods to create an informative thread about gambling and provability of fairness and pin it into the gambling board for beginners.

90% of gambling sites created by Newbie (threads) end up with Scams..  I personally prefer to do research first because not all of them are Scams, and I think doing research first is the best step.

It do always end up on having that impression.If a thing that has been posted by a newbie do really have that treatment on telling it directly as a scam without trying it first.

Not all the times that they are scam which there are still some legit ones and also you can easily spot it out which one is well-made or serious one by just looking into its design first.
First impression do last as we know.

We don't even know where those sites came from then a newbie will come out of nowhere either, they found the site as interested so they will post a thread here or they were asking the community if the site was legit but either way, we know it's a promotion to create an awareness. But at least even at small percentage, I know there are still honest questions of those.

But the problem is they dissapeared right away after creating threads that now increase the chances that they are just shilling it here.

And not just the site but some of them will post a gambling related issues or questions. I think there are some threads before about asking a general or basic question then they will not come back again to check answers.

I don't recall if I'm remembering this correctly, but one of the threads that used to be pinned under the Marketplace subforum or perhaps another one below that essentially talked about how it's not really the moderators' job to remove scams no matter how obvious they may be, and it's more of your job as a member of the forum or even just a person browsing here to determine whether or not a site's a scam. I still mostly agree with this, because even though a lot of threads and posts by newbies may involve scams, there's also plenty more genuinely new people interested in the many aspects of crypto on this forum that are being blocked by one or any of the rules suggested in the OP.

The trust system also exists for people to earmark obvious scams on this forum.

scam sites also comes in gooder designs that are hard to spot but we can test them out by depositing tiny amounts , play the game and try to withdraw  . if all works smooth then it should be legit   . you know if its a scam if there are many accusuations for that site  .  a legit gambling site are also being advertise here regularly via ads or via signature campaign  and also if its been managed by trusted campaign managers   . if a gambling site want to be trusted by promoting via thread , then they should get a proper forum account with good trust and a high level account so that people wont doubt  .

Too many restrictions to newbies is also a dangerous thing to the community in the long run. Much as we have so many scammers who come in using newbie accounts, we also have new genuine gambling sites that are first posted by newbies accounts. Why should we make life harder for them in the forum?

Members should also learn to be vigilant instead of imposing restrictions in the forum all the time that will prevent genuine people from joining the forum.

The moderators on this forum does not moderate scams. If a user reads about a casino (which is also a post made by a newbie user) and tries to play on the casino without trying to learn further about the casino through some other source, then yeah that user does deserve to get scammed. At least he will be learning a valuable lesson and next time he is going to be really careful trusting a random user from the internet.

Good thing those sites that come out of the blue are receiving lots of replies and questions here right away. A big help and reference to all users that will just dive out to something without knowing the risks.

But I just wonder, are there really users who still fall on those sites nowadays that were shared here in the Gambling section? I mean it's an old classic fashioned way of attracting users and even some newbies know already that they need to do research before depositing their money, even if the site is legit or scam. Being a newbie shouldn't be a reason. I don't know what kind of standards they are looking for and just easily use those sites.

Are we going to blame the site alone here?

I second this. Restricting newbie accounts further lead to the fact that legit sites and casinos dont have the chance to offer their services here or have to pay someone to post and host their thread - or for the copper membership. Newbie accounts are already verity limited, I definitly wouldnt restrict them even more.

Additionally, the rank of the BTC account means nothing and doesnt prevent you from being scamed in any way. Just take a look at the scam accusations subforum here. The vast majority of accusations are against accounts with high ranks. If someone has the sole intention to scam you, the fact that he has to invest a couple of weeks to reach member status here at the forum wont stop him.

There are a number of cases that have led to gambling sites leading to death.
As an example;

Pengguna: ToxicAG (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ToxicAG) (Archived)

Topic: Topic: Opening a new gambling website 2020' (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227772.0)

So, what if most people fall into this deadly gambling site, obviously people think "my money".
Many other sites like this, limiting posts to beginners, getting better, preventing better than treating, that's what @TMAN said.

I totally agree, the issue here is not on the one who promotes the site itself, it is those who are reading the post and not doing due diligence on reviewing the legitimacy of the site.

How many high-rank members here are getting victimized by scam gambling sites? How newbies are the victim? Even if you are new in crypto or not people get scammed because of carelessness and being misinformed, or sometimes being greedy thinking of earning money in easy and fast way.

It's difficult for sure. Not all beginners or newbie rank are into scamming or some suspicious activities. In that case, it kinda feels sad for newbies, because they are like entitled to be scary or much prone into scams or any crimes.
Even we do that there, there's still the possibility to get scammed. The best thing is to LEARN and always think twice and do research before depositing your bitcoins on some websites.

That's right it looks that when people hear the word newbie or when they know that you are wla newbie then there is always something that comes to their mind which is a scam because it is like that they are already entitled just because they are newbie in which on the other side that they are really prone to scam activities but the thing is we all start from there being a newbie so it would be more better if we will be the one who will told or teach them what to do in order for them to prevent those kind of activities.

Don't forget that every one of us here also started from a newbie. Not all newbies have a goal to scam other users so it's unfair if we treat them in general as is. Scammers are those who are making new/alt accounts with the purpose of trolling and hijacking other threads.

You won't get scam if you know the ways how to determine if a gambling site is legit or not. You can make your own search in or out of this forum. There are sites that seem trusted at the start but later on, become a scam one.

Not): sad and creepy.

You are from Newbie I am also from Newbie, learning about forums and gambling sites for a month and waiting for the activity to go up to jr. It doesn't hurt, right..

One post directly gambling site, as if quite professional in the development of gambling, ultimately scam.
I know of a high-ranking account that hides behind the scenes of gambling sites, instead of ending up scamming in fear of being marked (red paint).

So, if this gambling site is limited to beginners, obviously those of high rank who jump directly post it, like that, why just play around, think of using the brain.

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Example: gambling site posting by newbie.

user: QetuoBets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2771005)

Topic: Qetuo's Gambling Bot + Guaranteed profit! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228935.0)

Pretty much that! Because, Theymos does not want the users feel like they are being controlled by the forum owner and hence even the little restrictions that have been applied on new accounts because of the immense abuse of that posting ability.

Now coming to point, I believe there can be some sections of the forum where newbies should not be able to create new topics, yes allow them to post in already created threads but don't just allow them to create new ones. So that if they have any complaint or something they can feel free to post but at the same time, they don't have the power to shill.

I think that's great idea because they will help them to gain a lot knowledge and easy for them to know the basic in gambling and also to help them to express their own thought but most of all to avoid those site only used them to make post from their site, but they dont get any. Mostly of newbie have higher urge to post in a gambling site just to earn but thats the reason why many fraud site used them.

Honestly I don't know why people even need new casinos or sportsbook when there are many trusted one already operating in the market without any issues, I mean if you say that new casinos are good because they offer new member bonus or something then yes it's good to do research and if you are going for a no-deposit bonus then even no research is needed I believe.

The problem is the ponzi type of sites in my opinion that operate for a short period of time and then scam whatever they collect, but then again I believe we must be wise enough to avoid such tricks.

That's a good point,

The idea of restricting newbies from creating new topics will help to prevent them from promoting scams, but it contradicts their eligibility to have copper membership. They just need to pay for it and they can now bypass every restriction that newbies have.

There is no need for this thing to be implemented. There is already a warning, since the start about newbie when they created a thread or if they sent you a PM, it says that "warning this user is just a newbie" something like that, that implies that you should think about it before you make your decision or act, which is indeed correct. It is our choice to trust or not to trust anyone on this forum, whether it is a newbie or not, anyone could pull a scheme here whenever they want to.

The point is, we should be responsible for every choices that we are making, if you think the post is a scam, then leave it, report it and provide a solid proof for moderators to shut down the account immediately and delete the post as well, in my opinion.

I do agree, it is already on our end to make fine choices. We should be able to determine a scam since we're in this community for a long time. The forum admins already did everything they are capable of to warn every user about the risk of having interaction with newbies.

Everyone has to start at some point and just because someone is a newbie, we shall not treat them as scammers or someone with low knowledge. I never recommend going for a gambling site which basically has negative reviews on forums. Moreover, check 2,3 forums for honest reviews about a site.

Why rely on the moderator when we could also help to clean the forum,
We could always report their post if we think that it is a scam or not in the proper section of the forum so that the moderators would easily see it and delete it.

We'll probably need lots of moderators for newbie abuses, and other abuse to be reduced.
I would prefer a situation where many more moderators are picked based on their consistently accurate reports and negligible mistakes. Their activities should probably be transparent... but their real forum names could be cloaked with some random names...so other members/mods don't judge based on their popularity on the forum. This way would be useful because any forum member can also go through their reports and rate their accuracy with either "up, down or neutral votes" (with evidences). You will need to cloak the voters too so they don't vote in fear.
This will help make moderation alot faster.

Lest I forget, we will need to have a clear and precised forum rules (which should be numbered) to help moderators act based on that. If someone is moderating outside of the rules, they will need to be suspended or something.

Hm, I don't think so. I use the report fuction on a regular basis and all my reports had been handled in no matter of time. So our mods here seem to be very active and respond to reports quickly.

Moderators are the solution if the post is an obvious scam attempt. The problem here is that most of those scam attempts are not obvious and very well prepared. Take a look at the scam accusations board. Lots of the sites mentioned their have been running for month (even years) before they started to scam people.