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It's no more news that many of us would have had some horrible experiences participating in some resources wasting projects. However, my opinion is that, do bounty managers just accept hook line and sinker to manage bounty campaigns for any project without taking some time to look at the prospects of such project?  

I think there should be some experienced members of this forum apart from moderators (because moderators' works might be too enormous) that should be in charge of reviewing projects before bounty managers are allowed to create bounty and/or announcement threads for such projects.  If this can be done effectively, I think the advent of these unworthy projects can be mitigated.

To wrap it up, a bounty manager once told me when I called his attention to some unrealistic plans of the project he was managing, he said he is not concerned about the success of the project, once he gets his weekly payment from the team. I want to know if there are some levels of punishment for bounty managers that manage unworthy projects apart from negative trust?

I bet a huge % as long as they get paid in btc and not shitcurrency they will do it. Sadly such projects aren't minded by many and trying to critisize the managers can even get you in trouble as i experienced, I will admit i weren't very gentle either.

While I totally agree that not every project should be accepted by bounty managers, there's always some "guy" who will take it just because he has nothing better to do.
Over the past 3 years, I've declined tons of shit projects because they smelled of old fish from the start. Then again, I accepted very good projects that turned out to be bad in the end (team dissapears, or they refuse to pay out the bounty to hunters, etc..).

In the end, it's every hunters choice if he wants to take the risk and participate.

They could be given red trust by DT members, as far as I know.

Anyways, we have been in this business for many years, 2017 was a good time for bounty hunters and managers alike, but we found out that it won't go or continue in the next coming years. That's why we really need to be careful as to what projects we want to join. See lots of newbies bounty managers, might be a sign that the project itself might not pay or scam bounty hunters, just saying.

I have joined so many bounty and been paid by token or coin and untill now i still have token or coin thats useless and still waiting for exchange or no developent with the team for almost two years. You are good BM but the project is not good as you are

Stop cribbing about Bounty projects and those managing them. If you do not have the understanding to choose the right project then it is your fault not the managers or the project.

You are never forced to work for a project. There are scams and scammers every where, you need to identify them.

I don't think even the best of campaign manager does a thorough research about some project before accepting to host a bounty campaign for them. There are cases of good managers turning down outright scams and there are also cases of so called one of the best campaign manager destroying their career for promoting scam projects. There was a time when moderator gave almost every of the managers for promoting scams but it's also difficult for the managers and everyone to recognize ones.

They just care about money. Your idea is good in my opinion. There should be a special person just for reviewing bounty. He will suggest a bounty hunter listen to his advice before joining any project. I think that way if bounty hunter stops joining fake bounty then that bounty manager will stop promoting those too.

This means that the manager cannot prevent developers from really running away from investors' money, as they initially do well and are trustworthy and disappear after collecting funds.
This is actually very sad, for example like tele and exchange platforms like bcnex and vindax.

I have seen many times when bounty managers were given a negative trust for organizing promotions for scam projects, but I think that this punishment is very weak. the bounty manager is obliged to study the project to the smallest detail before providing it to other forum participants to participate

Now that can't be confirmed that there are already many projects like that at the beginning the project looks good but after time runs the team disappears and it's hard to contact at a time like the bounty manager who will be urged to ask for accountability.

Sometimes it is difficult to determine which projects are good from the beginning to the future there must do the research well so that it does not happen again as before.

It seems that bounty managers get paid in Bitcoin rather than the tokens of the project they wants to manage, that is why they don't care what happened to participants after bounty ends

Well said btcltcdigger, many don't understand that sometimes even bounty managers get helpless and there is nothing they can do about it, many bounty hunters like putting blame on bounty managers whereas it's not always bounty managers fault

Well, I got banned and negative rated for making a death threat towards the manager and promoter of a obvious scam that after been proven it was a scam. Anyhow I'm nearly certain no matter how drunk i were lucid enough to only admit i would do it and never claim I will which would make it not a death threat.

I've handled signatures today and before and one of the things that I look is how their project works the only matters for me is as long as their project will not deceive others or scam others they should have given a chance to open their project for promotion and I think It's a bounty hunters responsibility on which campaign he/she would join and he/she has the right not to join the project if he/she sees it unprofitable or impossible project.

The only thing here is that not only bounty managers should be blame here since all of us has the rights to or not to.

we need to look at the side of the bounty managers.

1 -) the maximum that the Bounty manager will do Is to confirm whether the team members are real or not

2 -) the maximum that the Bounty manager will do Is to confirm that the whitepaper has not been plagiarized

Complete analysis of the project must be done by the community, and when I speak of complete analysis of the project I speak about the question of sustainability of the project in the long term and this is not an easy task.

The only thing we can do is not to support projects that they are promoting, but getting a red tag and a flag is just enough for the project developer to think twice of not getting their service, it's the duty of the bounty manager to take care of his reputation and the bounty hunters that will participate on the project he is promoting.

Thats the common practices nowadays, thats the reality as we speak it's all about money, thats why we can't blame some of those Bounty Managers because they need money thats why they can't resist from any offer, The burden was on the participant's side thats why it is better to check properly any bounty campaigns that we want to promote. don't just join like it was no tomorrow we must responsible for our own actions.

actually those bad managers that are managing the projects or signature campaign doesn't have any reliability on the succession of the project so if the project is failed to attain the maximum target of it that probably the project will be filled and the bounty managers are doesn't have any care about it what i am talking about those bounty manager doesn't have any credibility when it comes to the projects because they are just the one who is managing the campaign or the bounties.

There also are some greedy managers out there who would launch bounty campaigns for almost any project who might pay them. They might simply add a disclaimer to the thread and this might keep them safe even if the project appears to be a scam one. This is why most of the scam projects are yet dominating the bounties section. I liked the concept derived by OP.

There be some special moderators for bounties section who might closely monitor each and every bounty campaign. This would keep the bounty markets safer but those managers would actually need to do a lot of heavy work for perhaps no pay.

A lot of bounty managers are really like that, they don't investigate and they are not concerned about how the project will go as long as they get their payment. Especially those unreputable bounty managers that suddenly pop out their name managing a certain campaign, they most likely accepted the project for the sake of money and nothing else.

Unfortunstely, there is no punishment for them aside from negative trust. That's also why it is better to participate only to projects handled by reputable bounty managers.

The idea is pretty good but being a bounty manager is not easy especially in checking whether the background of the project that you are going to launch is trustworthy or not while not hurting the project owner. Bounty manager works because they are paid for their works, meaning they are not affiliated with the project team so they didn't care whether the project will succeed or not as long as they will be paid by their works.

It is good and in the same time it will hurt the community of bounty hunters. But as a bounty hunter, we should also consider different aspects before we will force any bounty manager to triple check the credibility of any project that they are going to launch because if they will be more strict about it then their customers or project owners will just transfer to other bounty manager in which they are losing their job for the sake of the bounty hunters.

So the responsibility will lie to us as a bounty hunter, we should support only the project that we think have the potential and discard all those shit projects.

Look, there is no assurance into what will happen with the ICO.
Do you know what investors are thinking?
Even if they put hard work into marketing the project into different sources there is still a chance it could fail.

So, why would you put the blame with the manager?
He is not in fault here. He just managed the people who are joining to support the ICO.
It is also our job to spread the word. (Go! GeomaDao!) That way, we are increasing the chance to be paid in a better amount.

Try putting yourself in their position too.
But they will need to clean up the mess if bounty participants are making duplicates or any mess.
That is their job now.

This is a problem that threatens the reputation of a good and competent manager in managing a bounty campaign. The project was initially fine and then turned into a scam project that did not pay bounty hunters.

Although many projects eventually become scams and do not pay bounty hunters, as a Bounty Manager must mediate with the developer and if there is no response, action is needed to announce that the project is a scam and lock thread to maintain the good name of the bounty manager.

I believe in you and you are one of my favorite bounty managers, I have participated in many bounty campaigns that you manage.

bounty hunter really must be prepared with various kinds of risks that occur, that must be emphasized. Bounty hunter must also be smart in choosing the campaign that will be done.

the risk of not being paid will definitely occur, even campaigns that have already been paid for are not necessarily guaranteed if the campaign is successful, due to constrained exchange that is not yet available or not yet listed on any exchange.

This atittude makes some manager here gain a lot of haters. Many managers actually doing this kind and obviously what are they doing is only for money. Forum doesnt tolerate scam projects so likely aside from the negative trust will be given to that manager, he will lose credibility and gain some participants on his future campaigns and will end up his task as a manager.

But of course there are some instances that the manager also got fooled by a project so that's why some reputable manager got neg trust but this is due to their negligence too to research first what they are handling.

I believe a bounty manager can get penalized if he/she doesn't care to take a good look at the project before promoting, if a bounty manager introduced many fake project he or she can easily get tagged with red trust just like what happened to 'kakatua bounty manager' who promotes fake projects

so bounty managers are only being paid weekly with established coins ? while the rest of the participants are going to wait for 3 months to get a coin that is unpredictable ? i think that was unfair  . bounty hunters work are much harder because they need to post while managers only work on a single day for counting posts and they still being paid succesfully with decent amount. many bounty managers recieve a negative trust before for promoting scam projects but those are not enough because there are still low quality bounties that being produced from time to time .

I think that at this point the blame game should be shifted from bounty managers to hunters as well. A bounty manager might do his due deligence with a project which will not show any red flags just for the project to scam at the end. I took part in RachelX project which looked so real with an offline office location but at the end it was a scam. Most projects come like the Greek gift looking all good and bad at the end. Everyone should investigate before joining a campaign.

There are still few bounty managers here  who are reputable and has a good image managing such projects. I believe before accepting such a project they are doing some serious research about it, it is obvious that if a wasted and scam project was being managed by a member here, her/his name can be dragged by negative image.
 
 Though, we can't blame other manager who only accept "any" or "shady" projects in return of money. But their reputation is at risk if the projects turns to be scam or useless. I do hope, they should be wise selecting the right project.

Yes, there are instances that bounty managers are getting paid in advance for their work managing the campaign.

Even if you think that it is unfair, that is how it really works. They are the one who are assigned to manage the campaign. And FYI, counting posts is not the only job they have, of course they also need to do things as there are problems that might occur regarding the project, they are the one that serves as a channel to spread the updates of the project.

You cannot impose an obligation to moderators and members of this forum it's not their duty, you don't use the word should when asking something for free, it's up to every one of us to do their own research and they opted to share their findings to members but they are not obligated to do so, and merit and thank them for doing so,

There actually are a number of bounty managers but only few are trusted. I can't say about those whole number of bounty managers but those who are trusted and in the markets since long time only launch genuine bounty projects which are even paid at the end. Launching a bounty campaign for a scam project might lead to get negative feedback from trusted members so mostly we could see such scam bounty projects to be launched from newbie or copper member accounts.

I personally only trust bounty campaigns which are been managed by trusted managers and also I do get some time from my schedule to make some basic research about the project I would be joining in.

I for personal wouldn't blame any bounty manager because, they're giving the project on the ground that;  they look at the project legit. Most of these projects that failed were not the fault of the bounty managers rather from the project team. Many project were created with the aims to scam investors out of their funds, they always keep this secret away from the managers who  want to promote their project.

The blame should go to the hunters, who on their own cannot Carry out a simple research into that project they want to promote. I have long time abandoned bounty because of what happened to me backed in my early days on cryptocurrency. Although nobody is perfect but there are some scam projects we can avoid by simple research.

I agree with you.It is not always possible for a bounty Manager to calculate the risks regarding the competence of the company that conducts the bounty.In this matter, I still think it is not necessary to shift all the blame to the bounty Manager.

There have been too many tread complaints for bounty participants that I have seen so far, but have not yet found a suitable solution, although there have been many methods used by bitcointalk users to avoid scams.
my advice don't rely too much on bounty if you want to produce something from crypto, for me the bounty glory period is over.

I had so much horrible experiences. One of them is the bounty manager stealing all the funds that was given to him and was supposed to be sent to all the participants.
It does happen.
But the other part though, we cannot blame to the managers.
They are doing their jobs only and it is not their job for the ICO to be in success. They are not the buyers just a manager of something like a marketing team.

I won't pin in on them for the unsuccessful hit of soft cap or hard cap.
This is all our risk from the start.

I hope those days where projects are really good. Bounty campaigns have a lot of payouts. Trusted bounty manages and valuable coins. At the first place, bounty managers can reject the project if they want and its another waits of time and effort not only for them but also everyone who participated. Since the last project that I experienced on not receiving the payout, I learned a lot before joining.

Their job basically done once the reward already get distributed regardless of what happen on that project after that. It's not their job to actually being accused to promote the scam projects if they already paid the participant. It's your risk as a bounty participant to make a research after getting paid from bounty.

Yeah, I get your point but there are instances when a particular coin/service found out to be scam while their campaign is ongoing. So now who's to blame for such kind of scenario? If I will be asked, it's 70% for the founder of the given coin or service and 30% accounts for the manager. Whatever we say, the manager is related into the whole modus so he's not exempted at all. But if we make considerations then he might be forgiven IMO (unless he is aware of this from the very start) and avoid getting red trust :D.

There's been a lot of talk about managers needing to "take and hold" bounty funds and then distribute them even if the projects is a scam.
But what good does that do? Would hunters really be happier receiving X amount of scam tokens than not receiving them at all?
What do you plan to do with those scam tokens which aren't tradable and are basically worthless?

Bounty Manager is like us, they can't know which project becomes a scam after the end of the ICO or IEO. So we cannot blame them, they are not members of those projects. In addition, we do not need to receive worthless tokens because we will not be able to sell them when they become scams.

Most of the managers are doing the same thing and very few who offers the real service not just to the project owner but also protects the interest of the bounty hunters. Some greedy managers don’t succeed on their plan because of the flags created against the thread and if you see a scam bounties and yet the managers still working with them, better to create the flags.

When it comes to bounty managers and shit projects, it is hard to always blame the bounty manager because some projects are re assuring and  honest, until it comes to payment distribution and it goes anon.

Likewise, alot of people would insist on  bounty manager to escrow bounty reward tokens,  but that cannot work unless the token is trading already.
Why do i say that ?

If you recall the days of bountyhive, i think uptherium and one other us token, did a token swap when it was time for bounty distribution to make the escorwed funds useless.
The best resolve for bounty is BITCOIN or perhaps 50% BTC OR USDT and 50% the projects token.

We cant blame the bounty manager if the project turn into scam project. The bounty manager also scammed just like us. So we need to more careful to pick a bounty project from the beginning.

In some point they are also victims of this scammed projects, but it's really in their shoulders to research hard before accepting the job. The judgement of picking the job from the developers should be well studied, assuring that bounty hunters will not wasted their time participating. It's an obligations that should be remembered by anyone who wanted to handle bounty facilitations.

DEAR PEOPLE! ASK NOT WHAT THE FORUM/ BOUNTY MANAGER CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE FORUM/ BOUNTY MANAGER

Like someone said in the beginning, bounty managers are just some guys doing these jobs managing excel sheets and payments for money themselves. While. it'll be commendable if there could be a laid down criteria for the managers, the people responsible for such a situation are the bounty hunters themselves who will promote all kind of shit on facebook and twitter for free just to have the chance to have 1 out of the 21 million bounties they do to turn out right.

If the people taking part in these bounties and spreading there shitty shares on facebook and twitter, taking up unnecessary space on the servers, filling the terabyte of storages and the internet data packets with worthless shit, if those people were to take a step back and actually analyze things before agreeing to promote shit, all of these scams would die a slow and sure death.

Yet, there will always be people who will accept such jobs as bounty managers as well as bounty participants. There only target is quantity and not quality. For such people, well i guess that is payback for promoting scams too. The reason is that when you promote scams on facebook and twitter, it helps these shit-projects to have a free social media presence for which they would otherwise have to work hard. This in turn makes it easier for them to fool the people they are actually targeting (relatively uninformed, low tech savvy people for whom a website, a big facebook/ telegram group is proof enough of authenticity).

In away, the irresponsible bounty participants are responsible for people getting scammed. Its only fair to the universe that they get scammed in return.

Surely these Bounty managers are also getting hired to run and manage the project when it comes to campaigns. Just like the bounty hunters, they are also getting paid so when it comes to the authenticity of the projects or the ICO surely the bounty managers have nothing to do with it. Most of the ICO's or bounties that are scam most like the bounty managers are also a victim of this the basic job is to manage and distribute the reward.

But there are still some campaigns when the bounty managers are an accomplice in the scam or they plan to scam the participants including the bounty manager.

I think the moderator also participates in the task of reviewing the project, but the moderator is also human where it is natural when the task is not carried out. A project will run well if it is managed well, not only thinking of one profit perspective but all aspects concerned. Always optimistic and be wise

I doubt we should punish bounty managers for working for bad projects even tough they know it. Apple has literally thousands of workers that work for them and a lot of them are in California working a very decent job with a high pay and very cool place to work with right?

Well, they are also making sure Chinese toddlers are working for them as well, literally kids under age of 10 that are hand making many of their parts and working on their factories too, literally slave labor levels. So as you can see there are not that many innocent companies in the world if we want to only exclusively work for morally non-flexible places. Hence we should be morally flexible to get paid. I do not feel like bounty managers are at wrong here, they have to pay their bills as well.

I think that even the most famous manager with a good reputation is not immune from a fraudulent project. Even a project that has been carefully scanned for fraud can ultimately turn out to be fraud. Bounty hunters should know that no one can give a 100% guarantee on the success of a project.

I don't think they needed to be punished by promoting a shit project. Maybe they are managing a shit project however it is their duty to do it if some project approached to them and ask for a management they could do it as if they like since it depends on the investor whether they would invest or not and the project.

I think the managers can be punished if they promote a SCAM/FRAUD project such as pyramid scheme projects or ponzi scheme projects but promoting a shit project or worthless project I think not since it's is not illegal to develop worthless project but a scam/fraud project is illegal.

Well I wouldn't blame bounty managers because majority of them negotiated their payment with ethereum or Bitcoin with the project managers while leaving the hunters at the mercy of earning shitcoins, the bottom line is that hunters should research thoroughly before participating in any project.

I think none of the above,  what would a hunter do with a worthless token, and will a hunter do if they didn't receive their reward!
I think not only bm can resolve this problem just by doing thorough research before accepting a project, there are some project that will appear legit but will still end up deceiving both hunters and bm, unfortunately, this issue is bigger than bm alone.

Just to add to the points you've established here, just as OP is suggesting that bounty managers should be held responsible fof certain failures in the project they managed, I think the same measures have to be applied to the bounty hunters who promoted the projects if it is discovered that they're investors who lost their financial assets to such projects.

In the end bounty hunters are not so different from the managers after because they largest of the hunters don't give a shit if they project turns out to be failed one, in as much as they're able to get paid and rid off the tokens for any amount possible, it's always the investors that ends up being the victims.

We cannot put all the blame to Bounty Managers, there are good Bounty Managers that I have seen. And these managers feel sorry and devastated when the project team left the whole bounty community with NOTHING. We don't even know if they are really getting their payment for their handled projects. I know some are not taking the projects seriously and accepting the project without reviewing it, but there are some that really made their own research regarding the project and end up without nothing.

Well as a bounty manager, it's quite easy to review projects to avoid publicizing scam projects to the general public either through signature, bounty campaign or creating ANN thread although it's still the duty of the participants to carry-out their personal research to avoid falling for this scam. Sometimes we could miss some red flags that doesn't means we're accomplice if the scam just wanting to get pay and leave the community to surfer.

Some projects don't start as scam or they were too good in disguising themselves as legitimate projects while deceiving the bounty manager and her promoters. In case like this, you can't blame the bounty manager for not figuring things out in time but when a BM can be blamed and punished is when they have exposes the scam but yet they still associate themselves with the scam by managing their publicity.

The words of a sane person. In the end, we ourselves choose which project to participate in and which not.
There will always be a manager who will take up a bad project because he is paid, it cannot be otherwise.
However, to participate in this shit or not depends only on each of us. No need to push your responsibility to others

Most people on this forum managing campaigns tend to be higher-ranked members and people with older accounts in general, and I find most people that fit this category that also manage campaigns definitely care more about their reputation than money. You might be getting paid more to manage shadier campaigns, but it's not good in the long run if you get negative trust as a result of being associated with a scammy project. As CryptopreneurBrainboss mentioned, though, the circumstances behind some campaigns and projects can change very rapidly and vary from project to project, so there shouldn't ever be any significant punishment to the bounty campaign manager until a deeper investigation is made as to how things came to be.

I think the blame shouldn't be push on bounty manager as virtually everyone is here to make some cash not forgetting the fact that most projects do pay bounty managers in their token system. One of the hardest thing in hunting is vetting of projects, I've participated in tons of shit project which shows great potentials at the onset but ends up being a shit and when this happens, most hunters do push blames on bounty managers for managing such project forgetting the fact that the manager isn't part of the team that decided the scam exit. I think people (hunters) really need to start owning their shits and be more careful when choosing bounties to join.

I'm still remember if there was someone who told that bounty manager should be choosen by all moderator of this forum. Which is mean we need a reputable manager to manage all project who have intention to promote on this forum. As we can see right now, there just a lot of project who manage by newbie/copper member account who named by the project but I guess it doesn't mean the project is legit. But when we have a reputable managee who choosen by the moderator we have no worries to believe them because they will know the scam and the bad project.

some bounty hunters will be very happy if they receive the token, even if the token that is shared is a scam or fraud token. Receiving tokens is better than nothing.
The token will be a decorative asset in the wallet that reminds that the token was generated from a scam project that cheats many people.

Isn't it the same as receiving nothing?

I don't see any bounty hunters being very happy even after receiving their bounty token if it is a scam or does not have any value at all.

As for me, I don't call it as a decorative asset in the wallet if it doesn't have a value, it is just a trash that is impossible to be removed in your wallet. Also, I don't want to remember the project that scammed me, so maybe it's just you who think that way.

its the same as nothing to recieve , since you are not able to sell that token's what will be the use of it in your wallet just another trash been send to you without any use.

But honestly the day you participate you dont have any idea if the token will get value someday so its not your fault having many of it.

yes maybe our thoughts are different, but the garbage assets in the wallet that make my wallet full, let me know the history of the project that deceived me.

At least that way I can remember how to anticipate it later so that I am not trapped in a garbage project for the umpteenth time.

Yes I call it a decorative asset that will decorate and fill the contents of my wallet and it is hard work that will always remind me as a bounty hunter.
https://i.postimg.cc/cLjdxD6b/Screenshot-7.png

sometimes there are some tokens that are not valuable and become junk suddenly become a very valuable gold.
Garbage tokens are not only generated from scam or fraud projects, but also from projects that fail to reach targets or softcaps. So anything can happen with the token.

Many bounty campaign manager giving fake promise and promoting bad project, some time bounty manager try to make bad thing with some coin by delay distributing for making price down and make bounty participant received with lower value of coin reward from bounty campaign.

I don't think all bounty managers accept bids to manage campaigns, I know some people who are truly experienced and most likely projects that are legit. But it depends on the project team, and the task of the bounty manager is simply to manage it, so the problem of late distribution or reduction of prizes is the policy of the team. Nobody wanted this to happen either from the participant or the bounty manager.

Most of the well known bounty manager has been gone now my favorite bounty manager back then was Sylon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112240).
Sadly he doesn't manage any bounty anymore but most of his bounty was a huge success I think he is one of those manager who filter the project first before accepting it.
Now it seem's like most of the bounty manager only accepts the project get paid and doesn't really look deep into the project if it is fake or not.

I think is our problem, not only bounty managers, we can't blame them. Bounty manager is good person with skill to help developer promotion, about how the project can give income and survive it's totally developer problems. I agree if we should check and not accept every program but of course in our position.

As long as investors are going to pay for the salary or give compensation to those who are going to review these projects that would be ok, but we cannot oblige people to do it for us for free, it's time consuming and what if their reviews turn out to be wrong, are you going to blame them when we should be doing this job, it's everyone for himself when it comes to investing.

Indeed, we cant really put the blame to bounty managers because they are just doing their job (like the bounty hunters) to get paid and they have their own rules before accepting the project that they will manage.

No one coerce the bounty hunters to participate, its our own discretion and dyor is a must. We cant rely for someone to do the checking before we can say a project is legit. But well if there's a team who can do this, its good for the bounty hunters to prevent ending up in scam.

Is that so,

Anyways, it is true that we have different thoughts, because if it was me, I don't even want to remember those projects that scammed me or the one that failed to launch in the market. I just add everything to my experience so I can at least avoid those kinds of projects in the future.

If that is how you see the tokens you received, I will not argue with that, we have different things we treasure and that is what makes it valuable.

I don't know clearly how a manager like that can be recruited, because not only is negative trust but the manager's name is bad. So far, from what I have seen, not only bounty managers but ICO rating sites are also like that and even cryptocurrency ifluencers prioritize the payment that can be obtained from giving a good review on ICO / IEO compared to seeing in detail the project.

When you join a bounty that is shady and just like the bounty manager you promote it, you also become culpable of the same violation, is it then the "crime" of the bounty managers alone, I do not believe so. Many users even after warning them about a dishonest project, still promotes it, due to the attractive pay they receive, the forum wouldn't implement what the OP suggests due to the fact that "scams are unmoderated", but users should only work for managers that can be trusted and there are a lot on the forum. There are so many scam projects all around, so the more users just join campaigns at random without any restraint or research, the more it becomes easier to be caught promoting a scam, and that could result in a tag in some cases. If possible work only with reputable bounty managers!

Point 1 and 3:
in fact many who are appointed as gift managers are very good and highly commendable. certainly before accepting a project of course he will see and learn everything. but because in the past few years there have been so many projects, there have been many bounty managers along with the number of projects, so we are clear and do not deny that many impromptu bounty managers are important to pay and do not pay attention to the impact of what will happen later. very sad of course a phenomenon like this.
  

This is what I have been thinking for a long time same with your thoughts, but we also have to understand the busyness that they do and it is not easy to ask them to pay attention to this. I think they have also done something after seeing this, maybe it doesn't look effective.
is it not just made a provision that to become a bounty manager may not use a new account but the original account and must be a full member level and above, so it can be accounted for.

Way back in 2017 there are so many promising bounties and back then most of the bounty manager are responsible.
They are the one's who would find a good project to promote and we just need to see their new project that they are managing.
Back I don't really care a lot about the project I trust the bounty manager because I know they are only managing the trusted projects.

I have a wallet full of "decorative" tokens from various exit scams that seemed promising and legit, but in the end turned out to be worthless.
Want to buy them to decorate your man cave walls?

We shouldn't blame anyone if we participated a shit project or be scammed by it.
We should learn to choose where to participate and we should learn to accept that it was our fault for being scammed,
If we just spend some time to look at the project and did our own research then we wouldn't get scammed or joined those shitty project.

Once the team of the project is real and the whitepaper is not a plagrism one the bounty manager will surely accepts the project and it's left to the bounty hunters to do a complete research on their own, sometimes there is always something that bounty managers Misses

Most bounty managers almost do not devote time to studying the project with which they will work, because why need to do it if the bounty manager receives immediately his pay in top altcoins or bitcoin, so thats why there are too many scam bounty companies on this forum.

I think it is quite tough to find out at the beginning. But for me, a scam project always starts out as a scam. If you have no intention whatsoever of actually doing work, developing product or solution, and just want to raise money, it is pretty obvious. Founders and devs who are hard at work need only show us github and all the stuff happening. If you only see marketing and conference and PR, for me ,,, that is a start of a scam.

If they are introducing a scam projects, DT can easily know that one and they can mark them with a Red Tag. They will not be able to host a project anymore since they have that kind of tag. People will not gonna trust this manager anymore since he/she is introducing a scam projects. We will now easily recognize who is a good manager or not.

It is easy to criticize them when you are not the one offered money but I am 99% sure that everybody here who gets an offer of like lets say 1 bitcoin for being the bounty manager of a project, would accept even if they knew that the project would be good or not.

Of course, if they are obvious scam they would stay away because promoting a scam knowingly would mean not only you are hurting other people which should be the sole reason not to do it but even if you are a greedy and shady person, why would you promote a scam project when you know in the end you will never be hired and you would be hated by the public? Even if the only person you care about is yourself no one would promote a known scam to keep their reputation higher.

However, there are limits, look at yobit for example, that was seen as a scam website yet hundreds of people had their signature, so lets not go too much on the bounty managers that promote bad projects.

Punishment for bounty mangers for promoting projects they did not review and fall out be scam is NEGATIVE TRUST. nothing else. some of these managers have multiple accounts. majority of them are after their pay. they care less about hunters. worst still, when they have colleagues that assist them in hosting bounties when they have red trust.
Terrible for me.

I don't understand why you might be happy if you received a scam token. You will not be able to do anything with it, cannot sell it anywhere in this market. Do I have hundreds of tokens in my wallet like that? Would you please buy them and decorate your wallet?

What exactly can bounty managers check? Is the whitepaper originally written or does the team uses fake photos?
Bounty managers could not predict what the project decides to do during bounty campaign. It's impossible to predict if the project extends the campaign or cuts the reward, or even make an "exit scam".

Cure to is - ecrow bounty funds to someone that "is not a BM". If the project doesn't want to work in a triangle "escrow-BM-project", then there is something fishy about it.

I'm wondering if we can give them other punishment besides of getting red trust. Bounty managers knows what they will deal before accepting what they manage, and they should if the project they will accept is scam or not. I think trusted bounty managers know it well or if they set their own trap for themselves while us we should do our role to analyze first before joining of any campaigns.

I don't think anyone will be happy with a project scam. especially when we are happy to get tokens but cannot be sold anywhere it will be very painful. but this problem cannot be the fault of the full bounty manager. although sometimes we also have great confidence in the manager that does not guarantee we will get paid from projects held by our trust manager. Many large managers also manage project scams, and it's not just one or two.

Then how do we differentiate non-fraudulent projects from the start? Often seeing projects from the start seems to promise they develop well and meetings with several partners and even in sales they are successful, but what happens after that developers always carry off if they have gone crazy for what else in their fundraising success and finally scam too.
So for us it is also difficult to find promising projects.

For a manager to have made such a statement, it shows how lackadaisical his attitude is. he does not care about his participants and even this forum at large. Such a manager should not be followed for any bounty. Well, even if some people know the kind of person he is, they will still participate in his bounty, which is quite bad and shows how much they have lowered themselves.
I know you might not want to mention his name, but I personally will try every means possible to watch out for such managers.

Absolutely, I didn't blame the bounty manager if the particular project scams us because the only thing they are doing is to manage bounties and signatures, they are checking if we are doing our tasks very well so that the projects that we are promoting becomes successful if we got a lot of investors by wearing signatures while posting on the forum. That is actually the team themselves who really scams other people, but we cannot also blame the other project that really intend to do their tasks and really do what they can to become successful it is just they don't reach the target, or the project didn't go with the plan they make, there are also reasons that there are too little investors that support the project so they cannot give enough payments to the participants of bounty.

Scams are not moderated here,so even if someone post blatant scam technique then it has less chance of getting deleted.

Bounty managers also holds some responsibility while picking bounty to promote than that is why some of the most reputed managers are not taking about bounties even if the team promises to pay for them upfront because they care about their reputation.

Many bounty managers got tagged for the reason you mentioning but don't completely rely on them while selecting bounties.

Reviewing projects which as posted in bounty thread by moderates a good idea. But not sure if it is feasible for them or not.
I must say the the reason behind such bounty managers running bounty without doing due diligence is because they must be getting paid in ETH or BTC. So they don't worry about project's future.

It is our responsibility to search through a certain project before joining it. We need to see the team's background and read the whitepaper to see if it is really trustworthy. The blame would always be ours whenever we get scammed cause if we end up on that position, then we missed some precautions upon joining a campaign.

As I was saying, it was our very responsiblity to look for the best project at the moment so that our time and efforts wouldn't go to waste at the end of the day. We need to be more careful and more eager to see and find out a legit campaign. We cannot blame it to the manager or to the team, it is all our decision that led us to that specific situation.

Well that's a must to do before joining a bounty to review the project if it is worth of our time and effort. Bounty managers accepts a project with payment and also they're one of the victims of a scam. It is not right to blame others, instead, our job to do diligence before joining.

Hhmm... "decorative assets" I can't just count the the whole lots of them in my wallets. Sometimes it got me angry that I deactivate them on my imtoken because I just don't want to be seen them and be thinking I have something meaningful. Anyway, as I advance in experience I began to choose carefully any project I participate in, so that it won't be an exercise in futility.

I see now many new managers here and there are also old managers who are trusted and very credible, so in my opinion choosing a manager to participate in a project can be an alternative choice to follow a project, but indeed what I say is not necessarily able to guarantee the project is good and will pay well as we expect. But Op's idea is also good if there really has to be someone in charge to review the project before the manager is allowed to make bounty for a new project.

Like the person you contacted said, as long as they get paid properly, they wouldn't care much if the project is legit or not, or if it is going to scam its participants and investors or not. Sadly, they managers getaway with this crime.
What makes you think that the "experienced members" won't make a wrong call? What makes you think those members won't go rouge or corrupt?
Stop depending on people to help you find out a scam or not. Do it yourself. Trust your intuition.

That's either the bounty is blatantly accepting anything as long as they can get money from managing the campaigns or the projects turned out to be scam projects. If the latter then we have no right and power to actually change it.

Yea, we can't just judge someone from one perspective :d

I'd go with the latter, but it would have been much better to actually inform us that certain projects are scam without waiting until the end of the sales.

Bounty hunter must be patient in all aspects as many fraud or scam projects everyday. We should have the risk to participate or dont expect to earn much in bounty campaign. As for the bounty managers, we should only stick to those managers who are trusted to handle the bounty project so that we refrain from not given the rewards.

The hunters have already aware of that but the majority of hunters have tried their chance by joining in almost all of the bounty campaign. The risk will always there but we must think wisely to make our chance to get the legit bounty will be very high. it looks very difficult to do that but just try that,

All campaign now are risky to join and what we need to do is always study the project we want to join so that our effort and time to promote project will not be wasted. Always join only in Good Campaign and this will be possible by analyzing and studying the project first

Like your signature, it is handled by their team manager and just created the account for the campaign. But you cant say that the project is scam because it will be always depend on the project rather than the Manager itself.

Risk is also included even though we pick a good manager. Likewise, they dont also control whatever happens on the project. That's why many bm have been blamed when a project become a scam one.

Bounty hunting is now a game of gamble. I have participated in a bounty since last year May, almost 9 months now that the project owner is yet to distribute. 5 months after the campaign nothing happened, before a sudden change to register on their website and complete KYC. Almost all the hunters did this but nothing happened 2 months after. Now, they are requesting every hunter to send an email from the email used to participate in the bounty with some details to one email address provided. While all these sorts of treatment after tireless work of hunters with resources and time? Another one spread the payment for 12 months, I mean one year. Well, hunters are at the mercy, well what do you think when you will have at the end of all campaigns that these rules can be changed at anytime, it is just a mean to lure innocents in promoting their product and treat them like slaves at the end.

This looks very ridiculous if you say so, because the hunters really appreciate their time in working to promote the bounty, so it is very natural that every hunter expects a reward commensurate with the project they are promoting, not even expecting anything, whether your time is worthless ?

For me, bounty manager already do their best and they don't know anything about project future. Accept bounty program and release in the forum is their right, we only join or not. We also don't know will get pay, so we all in the same position. Think positive about what we do here and who get involve, there's many way to make money on line if you feel bounty program is not worth anymore, try it.

I think there is no penalty from the forum, as long as the rules of the forum are not violated and the manager will be fine when getting paid from his work. indeed in this case the most disadvantaged are investors and participants, but it is not written in the rules of the forum that the failure of the bounty will get a penalty from the forum. but I agree with your opinion to provide an oversight of the project to be launched to the public, whether it has a good future or not. so that the scam project will never appear again.

Such regulations will be difficult to apply. but when the forum makes regulations related to a permit from the country where the project will be done it might be able to reduce the project scam in the forum. but back again it is not a guarantee of success or failure of the project. The bounty manager is also not to blame in many cases. we can only try to choose the best bounty project to not be fooled.

Well, unless you have solid proof that BM is intentionallybrunning a SCAM bounty, with the sole purpose of eithet making money or scamming hunters, he's probably going to be scammed as well.

You have to remember:
- BM also puts effort in the campain
- BM has staff/checkers he has to pay
- his reputation, ergo future ventures, are on the line

All good bounty managers must at least make sure that the projects they manage will pay or escrow first, if the bounty managers must ensure that the projects they manage are good, it is very difficult and quite impossible. Just a bountyhive platform, they do rigorous research for projects that come in for them but there are still projects that fail. And now the platform is starting to slow the projects that come in, whether there are no projects registered or they did not find a good project.

Yes, it is more about investing your time instead of investing your money in this situation. You put your time and effort into something that could turn out to be something bad but also you are promoting something to people that could very well also turn out to be bad as well which means just like everyone else who puts in money to that project because of you, you are losing something as well (but in hunters situation it is not money but time).

I do see it as a lose-lose for the both party but at least we know that bounty hunters are not profiting while investors they dragged in losing. If you want to be a good bounty hunter then you will pick good ones and you will promote them and when others win, they will like you for suggesting them a good bounty or a good project.

How can they ensure that they are good projects and not become scams in the future? Nobody knows that, so stop blaming the bounty managers. You should choose bounty according to your own experience, don't be too dependent on bounty manager

sometimes I also don't understand why so many new projects are growing but most are scam projects. and most bounty managers can be confirmed with new accounts too. many have complained about this and it is clearly disturbing the development of crypto which many investors are no longer interested in new projects. but maybe the mechanism of a project is determined or made rules if you want to become the bounty manager of a new project, so as not to run away from responsibility.

What will you for punishment to do promoting scam projects, when admin create thread by a new account. This way all fault will go over you. Only by receive payment bounty manager don't promote any bounty. Bounty manager lost their trust value for promoting scam projects. My favorite bounty manager don't take any scam project for being paid.

It's quite hard sometimes to evaluate the project and find out whether its bounty is worthy or not. Bounty managers are trying to earn here by doing their job properly. They can't predict everything.

Bounty managers who have a good reputation will not arbitrarily accept cooperation to hold a bounty. There must have been an in-depth study and analysis of the project, of course, if the project being handled as a scam would affect the reputation of the bm even though it wasn't entirely his fault.
This forum has also been running very well, many experience members and moderators care about giving neg trust to bounty managers who often commit fraud, mistakes, or the like related to handling bounty campaigns, so the task of bounty hunters is to be more selective in choosing.

And how about you what you are going to do just wait for these experienced members and moderators to drop you projects that looks promising, how about if the project that they think is good turn out to be bad, are you going to blame them, when it's your job to do your own research it's your money anyway, we are lucky they are sharing their findings when they found a scam project.

I don't think there are such people who are experienced enough to determine whether the project would be that good. It is still a matter of luck perhaps, deep analyzation, and also, the market situation itself. Starting with luck, there were projects before that succeed, which are not expected by the majority and only those who tried into it over 'bigger' projects have earned huge profit. Deep project analysis would also serve as a clue in order to somewhat determine a good project. You should check the popularity, team behind the bounty, and the concept. There was a time wherein gambling projects are mostly to be the huge ones.

Lastly, market situation. When the correction occured, which made the market prices of cryptos low. I have observed that it highly affected the outcome of the bounty projects. Despite of huge potentials, at that period, there were many projects who failed to reach their market cap during their campaign period. And most of the projects are just failing that time. So maybe, the market behavior plays a huge role.

Luck is heavily affect to winner and big factor in result, so I think participant should be more observant to the project not only those Bounty manager because they are also victim in a worthless project. I think it's better to know well the project before to join and always check their campaign than blaming anyone like the bounty manager because we are all victim to those scam bounty, the only problem in bounty manager they are more knowledge in to this kind of campaign than tous but still sometimes they can't avoid to encounter a scam project too.

Well my thought on this isn't to put the total blame on the bounty manager but as well as the bounty hunter. The bounty manager should do his due deligence to make sure the project isn't scam that doesn't meant the project will surely succeed ,also the bounty hunter shouldn't join any bounty they see,they need to carry out their own research,check the use case,the road map,team behind the project and it's community,before joining,also there are some bounty managers that already won the heart of hunters,as they see any bounty project with such manager,they have full confidence that the project would succeed. So managers should also be selective

Popular bounty managers do promote shit projects as well, even arteezy promotes few bad projects and till date they never paid hunters, bounties are now based on luck so let's keep our eye peeled

Actually, now a days most of the bounty projects and managers are thinking same thing, that is they only thinking about their own pocket. Don't investigate before running any campaign is fake/real. Very rear manager only do that. Atleast they escrowed the token.

And other things is most of the bounty managers are very lower rank. Always they hiding their original account. That means they know project could be scam, but for lower rank they don't care about red tag. 

New bounty managers cause most problems on here, they have no knowledge about legit projects yet they take the job only because their payment is assured, only bubbalex cares more about his bounty hunters, the best bounty manager I ever known

In fact, we cannot blame the performance of a prize manager if the bounty project he holds is a project scam, because after all a gift manager will receive their payment after the project is finished and it is not their job to distribute payments to participants because it is usually the development of team that does it So if the bounty participant does not get paid, it can be ascertained if the manager also does not receive their payment, in my opinion it is not possible to managers will risk positive trust only to handle project scams.

A large number of projects have failed due to many circumstances: Market situation, lack of investor confidence, scam projects that have damaged crypto space. I have sincerely seen a worrying decline this year for ICO and other projects.
I must admit that the work of Bounty manager and the bounty hunter is in critical condition.
However, I wish we had a better time because I like to be a bounty hunter.

For some people, earning money is all they are interested in as to whether the source is good or bad. Such people are in  the crypto space only for their selfish interest and do not care if others fall victim to scam schemes. That is how life goes for some people, some bounty managers or community managers will always choose money over integrity.

Bounty managers are divided into many groups. There are some of them that they are doing it mainly to earn income and this group of managers is not different from bounty participants. They care less about what happened as long as they have been paid. They are the managers that will tell you from the beginning that they are not responsible for bla bla bla. The other categories of the managers are the ones that has integrities and they put this above any other things. Most of them have a high reputation and they do not want to lose their reputation. They have strict rules regarding bounty participation and they can go in any length fo fight for the right of the bounty participants. Most time they manage few bounty campaign.

This is a healthy point and i encourage for it to see the light of the day, some bounty hunters are seriously loosing interests in working for projects aand that has a negative impact on the more realistic projects. i have been in the space for 3 years now, the approach is entirely differrent compared to the 2016 and 2017 era.

I want to ask you bounty manager, what do you see until you judge that the project you are managing is a good project? The average project you've managed recently has ended badly

Btw, why don't you ask to use Escrow so that payment can be guaranteed security

i think manager should know the project better before they manage it and accept those joiners and the participant should do their part also through checking the project or its better if they participate in a popular project because there's possibility you're in a good project. Shit project are everywhere so we must be more careful and take time to know it.

Yes, that's right, some projects held by Arteezy have not paid the hunters, even those that have been paid have no tokens at all in the exchange, and payments for projects held by Arteezy always take place over a long period, things like this of course we must supervise so that our time is not wasted.

true mate, need long time to recieved bounty payment from campaign that managed by arteezy. most of this have same condition , we dont know why arteezy or team request escrow to developer team so no one will harmed if dev team postponed project building.

This here sums up the whole gamut of the problem - greed of some bounty managers. They really don't give a damn about bounty workers/hunters and their wages (rewards) so long they the managers get paid, that's all. It's a wrong altitude and things aren't going to change with this mindset. This is where bounty workers should begin to get wise and participate only in bounties run by reputable and trusted managers. I have also had my little share of wasted efforts too but I have learnt now. I follow a few BMs now.

there are two main types of projects that fail at the end, first is scam from the beginning and that should be easier to recognized due to documentation, telegram channels, team response and similar, but second is project that is good, with viable idea, good plan, but poor management that could not pull it out to profitability in this ICO crisis, since which day is heavier and heavier to acquire funds for project development

sometimes also, it is just poor planning, and unreasonable token price, if you plan product, without solution at the moment, and try to acquire 10 million USD for an idea, that has no product whatsoever at the moment, it is very optimistic

I think we have so many ways to identify which is the scam project and which is not a scam project. It can be done through what kind of MVP that already created by the team and many more. It's not easy but at least we can try so many efforts to make sure if the project that will use our service is not a bad project.

Some bounty managers don't care about which project survives, all they care about is there payment, some just ant to use hunters and get paid from dev and move on to next project. Well now, hunters are getting wiser and not just working for campaign without checking out the team and plan odmf the project if it's legit or scam.

This is not the first time we see such cases, bounty managers should be responsible and never accept the offers from the unknown teams. The shady conversations behind the scene can kill the reputation of the project if the scam accusation threads start to appear. Scam projects will be always reachable for the newbies because getting involved in the scam project is easier than making an decent research.

we don't need to blame the bounty manager because their work only counts allocations and oversees the work of bounty hunters, we as bounty hunters ourselves must choose and examine the projects we want to participate in because now many projects are not successful because they don't get the maximum funding to develop projects

What are you saying? anyone who gets involve in a project is at fault, not just campaign managers. You as a bounty hunter is at fault too because you have the ability to research a project before participating in, it's not like everything is in private. We are at an information age where you can choose to accept or not from unknown projects. Not to mention that bounty hunters are the main source of advertisement of a project. Blaming bounty managers for everything is just absurd.

Also, it's not like bounty managers are the only one who cares little about the project. Bounty managers and bounty hunters are alike, they are greedy. Most bounty hunters are just as greedy campaign managers. As long as they see profit in it, they will go with the flow. I'm not saying all here, just most.

Bounty managers did their parts too, it's same thing when try to choose a project to promote, that's why is a necessary thing to do research even if a project is coming from a very well respected bounty managers, anyone is bound to do mistakes

I think the bounty manager is only in charge of managing the bounty campaign and they never know the exact project that is being done or the product produced. Regarding whether the project is good or not, the bounty manager or investor always looks at the whitepaper and I think if the bounty hunter feels cheated, the bounty manager in my opinion also experiences the same thing unless they are paid in cash or bitcoin or ethereum

The most punishment is if they are proven to endorsed projects that are purely scam one. Best example of this is kakatua who have been handling campaigns that are scam. Ive seen his post on hitmex which unfortunately Ive joined then, based on his report the project doesnt pay and his the manager of that project. See how irresponsible he is for working on a campaign that he didnt sure if gonna compensate the hunters work. I see also many negative trust on his profile. So I guess he deserved it.

The bounty manager to manage the campaign is always paid in advance with bitcoin or ethereum according to the agreement, but for the hunters and investors it depends on the quality of the project and if there is an end they fail at the end then the project that will be responsible will return investors' funds except the bounties who have promoted nothing.

The manager only manages the rest of the developers who do all of the above projects.

Bounty managers who already have a reputation, in my opinion would prefer payment in the form of Bitcoin or US Dollar. This will reduce their risk if the managed project turns out to be a scam.

Even many reputable bounty managers from the past cannot ensure the bounty is good or not nowadays.
When we participating in bounty campaign, we must not rely on the manager only but our research too.
If we find the project is good to join, we won't waste our time by joining a good campaign.

Bounty managers are just the one who manages the entire run of the campaign project which is to ensure that the participants are doing their parts or share for the promotion of the project they have engaged with. Bounty managers are just people too working for the sake of income and since managing a bounty is a job related to earn cryptocurrency, they just tend to accept the job to earn for income. Also, no one knows what will be the future or ending of any project because upon the release, all projects seems to be attractive because it is a part of strategical marketing to be able to attract potential investors. Bounty manager cannot be blamed for this but the people behind the project itself because the job of the bounty manager is to manage the campaign and to ensure that the thread is doing well for new participants or for those who wanted to take part on it. We participants do need to do our own research about the certain project ourselves because we will be the one who will be benefiting or suffering at the end of the bounty. They are just doing their job based on the agreement they have in part of the people behind the project so we must not put the total blame on them for they are just accepting the work they have been entrusted with.

Honestly if you look at some project and their overall claim on blockchain, you would would know some bm just accept anything that comes their way regardless what they offer, this mostly common with lower members bm's, most of them just accept any project as long as they are going to get paid even if the project is shity, shady or can probably be a scam.
The reason why higher rank members campaign is more better because majority try to do background check before accepting a campaign.

Every bounty hunters need to stand up for themselves, there was a time in crypto space when you can just join any bounty project for good rewards but now it's a different game entirely, many projects comes around to entice hunters with their unrealistic use cases, to say the fact, not all use cases will survive on blockchain

I don't know much about the level of penalties for gift managers who promote bad projects, that participating in reward programs is sometimes beneficial and vice versa, this is the risk. but related to this I think, only we personally can prevent it by avoiding, checking in detail and it is important not to expect too much from the results of the current prize program.

Moderators are responsible for the well being of bitcointalk forum not bounties, new projects create ANN on here and of cos find promoters to promote their new projects, the choice yours to make, you will be the one to decide if the project is good enough and worth your time

Loyal bounty campaign managers are not willing to conducted random or shit/garbage projects. I know them who's managers always going for legit projects. They’re not greedy for some money to conduct possibly scummy bounties. Rejecting a lot of projects and conducted which one looking trustworthy in their analyze. Mangers nothing do for any kind of failed projects. You can get worthy projects in reputed managers.                       

There are a number of very good bounty campaign managers here. But once in a while they also become victim of the scam projects. There is no ICO with a 100% guarantee. So the bounty campaign manager, along with the investors and the bounty hunters need to take a certain amount of risk. But from what I have seen, these managers get a lot of unfair criticism if the project fails.

Smart managers understand that it is their reputation that their ability to earn over a long distance will depend on.
After all, once a stained reputation is almost impossible to wash.

Unfortunately, many bounty hunters neglect their own reputation, which ultimately leads to the loss of the opportunity to participate in bounty companies.

I don't think even the best of campaign manager does an intensive research about some project before tolerating to have a bounty campaign for them. There are instances of acceptable managers turning down by and large scams and there are likewise instances of alleged outstanding amongst other campaign manager annihilating their vocation for advancing scam projects. Some time ago moderator gave pretty much everything about managers for advancing scams but on the other hand it's hard for the managers and everybody to perceive ones

Have been into crypto for a very long time now and 95% of them are shit and scam projects, but have also witnessed super projects such as atomic matic and alot more.

Negative trust from DT has included severe penalties, educated bounty hunters will definitely consider repeatedly to join campaigns handled by BM with a bad reputation. But we need to understand that BM cannot be blamed completely with project failure, many factors must be considered because most BMs are not part of the developer.
The risk for bounty hunters is to get caught up in scams and drama. BM with a good reputation will also prefer to refuse suspicious project collaboration in order to maintain its good name.

I have participated in so many projects and until now they have not been paid for ... almost the average project is now a scam ... ??  whether the bounty manager is wrong in doing research on the project that they take care of before they make a bounty ... I think before making a bounty, the bounty manager should ask for a guarantee or payment for their bounty first ...because the project is now mostly scam ... at the end of the hunter who will lose trust and be labeled negative trust ... this is a very bad thing for hunters ..

indeed they will pay the bounty campaign participants but you must know that the exchange value must be high because if you are distributed tokens but the exchange value is not high and do not get support from the developer will be disappointed because the results you get will be very little.

Bounty managers are responsible for the bounties that they manage if it turns out a scam. Of course, the team also. But the managers are the bridge of this projects spreading in different social media just to scam. That is why there are managers that are being tagged here because they only care about payments without verifying the projects first and the bounty hunters and investors are the victims here. But managers are not perfect they cannot determine each project's legitimacy but there are some good managers to follow like Hhampuz and yahoo62278.

I think it is difficult to find a project that has a high value in the market, at the moment the average prize yields get a little unless you follow the payment in USD or Ehterium and BTC then the value has been determined, only to follow must meet the rules that I feel not everyone can

Lol what other punishment do you expect than just giving them a negative rating? I don’t really think there’s any other punishment that can be given to them apart from being bombarded with negative ratings on their profile so that in the future people will avoid any project that they are promoting.

But, as a hunter you also have your roll to play which is being careful and avoiding bad projects so that you don’t end up regretting later. You shouldn’t always be expecting the managers to do the jobs. The same way you sometimes you think those projects are good are the same way those managers also think it is, and at the end they are disappointed. So, you gotta be careful yourself.

At least there are some projects that have already listed on the exchange site and that brings us more chance to get legit project. It's about how you can find the best one that gives you more guarantee based on the fundamental support to the price. To be listed on the exchange site can be considered as a fundamental support too.

The burden was on the participant side thats why it is better to check properly any bounty campaigns that we want to promote. don't just join like it was no tomorrow we must responsible for our own actions.If we find the project is good to join, we won't waste our time by joining a good campaign.
There are a number of very good bounty campaign managers here  to study the project to the smallest detail before providing it to other forum participants to participate

Since bounty managers receive payment in ETH or BTC or USDT, I think most of them will not care whether it is a real project or not.
Doing research before joining a bounty campaign is necessary, it help us reduce the ratio of participating a shit project. When not all of bounty managers have good research skills, and free time to do that, we can't blame all bounty problems on bounty managers.

Last season was like that. even some bounty managers get a lot of projects. because they think the most important thing is getting money. but now I think everything is better. I'm sure some bounty managers are thinking about the projects they are going to handle.

They were thinking if with the quantity of the project and they can get a lot of money while at the same increase their reputation. The project will matter a lot when it comes to the quality of the project and it's not about the quantity of the project. It looks like that more managers have been putting strict rules before thei can start to run a new campaign again.

Yes, but for managers who are already very trustworthy they will always take the time to do research on the projects that they will handle, because they also don't want their names to be polluted in the public because they hold bad projects, because if managers don't make research on projects, then that's a very reckless name in making decisions.

True, we can see that managers who have been holding the project for a very long time, are different from the new manager who is sometimes deceived by the project, so that it can affect the reputation of his own trust.

the managers are also careful in choosing projects, so that their good name will be maintained, and there are always many interested people. therefore it is natural that the rules set are more specific, so that bounty hunters also work seriously, to jointly develop projects

There are some managers like you said and many also very detailed. I participate the bounty in 2017 until now. There are several projects that I have participated and many succeeded and some have failed. And a manager becomes his name as a bet for the project he manages. For that every good manager must analyze clearly about the project.

Actually some unprofessional bounty manager still here although there no have good enough knowledge for searching real project. There are just promoting a project for making money, so we need avoid those manager who managed scam bounty.

Even projects that you think has a good potential in the market, is not showing their potentials, investors would have to wait and also bounty hunters for the market to get better, but this is still the right time to acquire coins than dump it, I don't see things getting worse, we can get to where we use to be, we just have to believe.

I see a lot of new bonus managers coming up recently. But most of them are new and low ranking members in this forum, they have managed a few new projects but it seems that they are shit and scam projects. These managers are also fraudsters because they use multiple accounts to bounty fraud they manage.

when I read your article about a bounty manager who didn't care about the success of the project, it made sense. but the question is, can a bounty manager know about the project he manages to have a real product ?? . whereas, as far as I know, the bounty manager only sees the concepts provided by the project owner. and we all know that if possible the concepts they write down result from other project concepts

When I look backward, 9 from 10 bounty campaigns didn´t bring me profit even I did a deep research, it is due to bad situation in the market. In 2017 every bounty campaign was profitable due to big ICO hype, so keep working, profit will come in the future.

This abaout concerns saleries will pay to a manager who will assist a project. As long as it is appropriate, all task managers do it and reporting to the supervisor. Related to the proper punishment for the manager, if I'm not mistaken, maybe team DT really understands the mechanism.

That would be someone incompetent and new in business. There are lot of competent managers around who are experienced and capable of properly handling the bounty campaigns. They also carefully research project before taking the job. It doesn't matters how much they pay , they will always choose projects which have potential and good team behind it.

There aren't any but some members give feedbacks if a manager continues to promote such shitty projects which indicates they are just money minded.

There is no real punishment here. This is a virtual world forum. Redtrust is one of the most severe punishments and blows for bounty managers. With Redtrust people can see their reputation, and rarely will anyone who participates in the campaign he manages.  In addition, forums can prohibit members from participating with Redtrust managers.

Giving a bad bounty manager a red trust or more is the best punishment I can think of but some bounty managers are just a victim even if they do deep research, presently bounty detective seem like the only BM that wants to reshape bounty campaigns since they now guarantee payments

It looks like the bounty section has already dominated by the trusted managers. I know that there were always be the chances even for trusted managers to get the scam project but i do agree if we must only follow the managers that have a good reputation but we shall try to do our own research.

not all managers do such a thing, some see or review the project first before accepting the project and many refuse if he thinks the project is unfit to be promoted, come on don't equate all managers unilaterally.

Nowadays you can even find campaign which are being managed by users of full-member or Sr. Member rank. Obviously many of these people don't care about their reputation and they may engage in scams. There are two factors in play here. First of all, bounty campaign management is a very risky job. There is a real risk of getting a red trust, which can make your account useless, even if you do everything honestly. And secondly, bounty campaign managers become the scapegoats very often, as a result of scams done by the project team.

Undoubtedly, you need to rely on yourself too, and not just on the ratings of bounty managers, and at the same time personally radiate accessible information about the bounty companies. And of course, I would like to know who and how and By what criteria evaluates the Bounty of the company, and determines its status as a fraudster or not. This is not so easy to do.

Could agree, there are some reckless manager indeed that doesn't care the prospect of their project and how it's gonna be post promotion phase but some managers also actually doing quite good by selectively choosing a project that's promising and will not just brought us dissapointment in the future.

There are a lot of new projects. Unable to follow everyone. For each project, it will be necessary to make a separate report, which takes a very long time. It's pointless. You must learn to identify bad projects yourself.

Well, not all managers like that, we know that there are many managers who are professional in conducting their reviews before the bounty is launched, so I don't agree if many people say that the manager is blamed because there is no connection, they only manage the project for promotion.

yes some bounty managers don't care about the projects they manage because they only think about the money they get every week (BTC, ETH or USD). for that we need to choose a bounty manager who has a lot of experience in managing a number of successful projects but besides that we also make it a habit to research ourselves, so not only dependence on the bounty manager

If a bounty manager becomes popular for introducing only bad projects the bounty manager will surely get bad rating and no good reputation left, reputation of a bounty manager is very important, before wasting your time on any bounty campaign find answers how capable the bounty manager is..

There are not too many good managers like you said in this forum. Most of them only care about their money and are willing to manage scam projects, I've seen a lot of people like that. BTW I only see Bubbalex as the best manager at this forum

Yes, trust is needed. Not everyone is doing such things. Every manager need not to accept all the projects, some people will take the advantages and ultimately hunters will not be paid for shitty projects. So its better to research before doing anything. Though its all about the decision by hunters to take the risk and participate as well.

It's about which managers can do the best beside the participants itself who have been doing some research to choose which is the right project to be promoted by the hunters.
It's not about the learn to identify a bad project but the managers must also do a deep research to the project too.

As long as some bounty managers can get paid with reliable coins in the market (particularly btc) doing their jobs in promoting, they will take the project even though it doesn't look good and legit at the very start. But that doesn't mean that all bounty managers are like that, there are still some bounty managers that research thoroughly about the project before accepting and handling it. It is because their reputation matters to them. With that, we can somehow feel comfortable joining their projects because we know that that project can be legit. But still, it's not that 100% guaranteed because some projects still run away and don't pay bounty hunters when greediness hit them, no matter how good their project are, but we can't blame the bounty manager about that anymore.

That's the drama that happened lately. projects that were initially very potential could end up being scams because the development team made changes that hurt the bounty hunter. Bounty managers who are outside the management of dev can not do anything. So we have to tolerate each other, the bounty campaign ecosystem has changed a lot and there are so many risks.

Actually, it is already happening even before. Projects that has a high potential end up being a scam because they already get enough money for themselves. Even bounty managers are being affected because their reputation is on the line, even if they work hard to manage the project, they can't do anything because they are not part of the team.

really ? so why not support projects that does not come up with good potentials  . can we agree with this new plan ? let see if this makes a difference from the usual plan that we do  .  managers and hunters on the other hand were already part of them  or considered part of it as soon as they both agree to start working on the project  . managers and hunters risk thier reputation at all times everytime they start working on a project   , so if you dont want that to happen you must think twice before you join  .

Some managers review bounties before accepting a job. But, take note that is is not just a manager's sole responsibility to review a project, it is also a bounty participant's job to do their own research. Even if a manager reviews a project it doesn't guarantee that it will be successful, profitable, or will even pay by the end of the project, not unless the bou ty fund is escrowed.

You are right. Most of the bounty managers who think about having a good portfolio here, always do enough research before launching a project to be sure that they are not working with a scam project. But some of the scams are so well planned that no one can detect. As a result, bounty mamagers launch them. If participants also do some research, I think it can be detected. Hunters should know where they are spending their times and are that worthy.

Bounty managers are not being paid in shitty tokens, so they are more less concerned about the success of all projects that comes to their way in listing them on their bounty board, you will notice that bounty that are giving rewards in btc or eth tends to have less amount allocated as compared to other shitty projects allocating more than $500k or more of their shit token

The bounty manager has no power regarding a project. however, the thing that they need to do is control all the things related to the bounty. however, they are the people closest to the developer. some bounty managers have their own rules and guarantee payment for bounty hunters, but some don't. however, if you want something that has a risk that is not so big, then choose a bounty manager who already has a big trust.

Most of the time that's the case, but some also just finding leftover project left just to fill in their portfolio as a bounty manager, but so far I written down some of the most reliable manager on my list and I guess that's enough to solve all the problem regarding this.
It's just we need to be more selective not only to the project but the manager of it aswell, the manager could play an important role whether the project is smooth or not.

Before promoting the prize, the campaign manager first does the research because the pesky project will ruin their careers, so I think the prize manager has anticipated it before it happens even though the project ends in a scam.

manager has their own prerogatives in accepting project so don't ask as if this is general,there are managers who chooses not to accept bounty if they found something not good.
so you wanted someone to look after your stupidity?joining bounty is your choice so if you don't want to get scammed then better not to join any of them,because you are not paying people here just to find legit bounty for you fool.
for me?the one who must be punished are the BOUNTY HUNTERS that participating in scam projects because they are the one who's promoting the scams.

I don't think anyone will intentionally promote project scams. it all happened outside the control of the bounty manager. many scam projects are not even known before they disappear and stop the project.

many gift managers lose careers because they promote prize fraud projects, therefore no manager wants the prizes they manage to lead to fraud, because if the prize is a fraud, of course, they work without getting results too, for risk they are very burdened.

in fact there are already several members of the forum reviewing new projects launched by the bounty manager, if the project is proven to be scam it will be posted at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 but not all scam projects can be identified, some can still escape or end up scam

While doing a research, every project that it is to be selected for management, looks promising. Only obvious crap managed by themselves or simply fill the spreadsheet with numbers. While projects pays the manager, he can not spot that it is going to scam. It is not managers work to check if projects show true numbers of money raised, fill github with latest updates on the project, and do project representatives really took part in meetings and etc.
Usually after the campaign is over it turns out that hunters were promoting scam. So it is quite hard to do a proper research and predict something.

Why show discontent? If you are not satisfied with the payment, you can choose not to participate or change your activity. Bounty managers give You the opportunity to earn and their responsibilities do not include the responsibility to be responsible for the project that hired them. You are a key figure - you either participate or you don't. You Decide.

In my opinion, many bounty hunters, especially the tenured ones, tend to select the bounties that pay in either Bitcoin and the other more popular cryptocurrencies. Many have remembered the best days of bounties in 2016 and 2017 where many projects end up making money and was able to pay bounty hunters big amounts. But now many are hesitant to join and even the newbie ones are not shy to show their dismay to the lack of good bounties nowadays. But if you are the type of bounty person who likes to take risks then you can try these projects and see for yourself whether you are going to be successful or not.

Well.. I can't agree with you because I personally know the case with many projects. And in all of them, the bounty campaign manager was paid in project tokens. If the project fails (i.e doesn't manage to reach the soft-cap level) or if it is outed as a scam, the campaign manager is also at a loss. And he will be hit with a double whammy. On top of going unrewarded, he may get negative feedback from the bounty hunters.

But that will make it harder for the bounty hunter to join in the bounty campaign since a lot of them will be cut. I know you want to remove garbage bounty to save time for bounty hutters. But I think bounty hutters should know better, don't join in any project you want without any research.

Yes, and every hunter is obviously doing research on the project campaigns they want to participate in, but they will also be more helpful if trash campaigns or useless campaigns no longer exist in this forum, because if a good campaign campaign with a bad project is mixed in the forum , then every hunter must always use their time to make research.

That's right, they're just bounty hunters like us. And they cannot guarantee that a project can succeed because they are not members of the project and they are not investors of the project.

of course, bounty managers analyze it in more detail before promoting it, because if they carelessly promote a project it will damage their reputation later.

There are some good bounty managers out there who tried to filter real projects from fake ones. Despite verifications there are project turned  out to be scammed because of greedy team behind it, i know some of them. And besides bounty managers cannot dictate the fate of the project to succeed or not. The last decision to join the campaign or not will be on hunters and we hunters  should do our part as well to verify each project before engaging. As the golden rule says "do your own research".

in my opinion Bounty manager has nothing to do with shit peojects,
even though bounty is currently only filled with shit projects, I still respect Bounty manager, they do the best for us, I'm sure it

There are some trusted managers who also became victims of scam projects. like the bounty I participated from the bountyportals, HowDoo to be precise. where the bounty manager can not do anything about the unpaid bounty members due to his lack of authority regarding the bounty rewards.  The bounty was successful and it also gained a lot of popularities in the industry of crypto however they didn't pay their participants because of their greediness. right now there are some bounty managers that are escrowing the rewards and that is good because it will decrease the risk of the bounty members for getting scammed.

Bounty managers cannot guarantee that projects can succeed, it all depends on the project. And you should not blame the bounty manager when the project fails, all decision to participate is up to you

Bounty Managers will at some point cares only for themselves most times, it's left for bounty hunters to do good research before promoting any new projects, safe yourselves from dubious projects and stop blaming bounty managers, you are here to get tokens for money and it's same aim for bounty managers too

They are also just a bounty hunter, paid to manage those projects. And I totally agree with you, they only care about themselves and never think of a bounty hunter. If the project fails, only the bounty hunter is disadvantaged

It's your own research, if you have not enough knowledge for choosing a good bounty then never attention manage bounty. For better try to try a best clear roadmap project then you will never face scamming problem. A professional bounty manager want follow many point for a project so don't look money.

l think also so there is nothing for bounty manager to do something about shit projects. We should not blame bounty managers, they are doing their work as they can in my mind (maybe most of them, but it is true). There are a number of bounty managers who are really trusted by people. That means it is not fault of bounty managers or something else, bounty is as you above said currently only filled with shit projects. We should find the best one.

It is true that both bounty managers and hunters have the same purposes. I also don't blame the bounty managers who still provide shit-tokens bounties because they are also humans who can make mistakes on analyzing new bounties. However, bounty managers shouldn't have the intention to provide shit-tokens bounties that paid them in BTC or top coins. If they do that way, we can judge them to cooperate with scammers to deceive people. But I am pretty sure, top bounty managers won't do that bad way.

Bounty managers are just like bounty hunters on the same place because both are seeking for job opportunity that will give them an opportunity to earn. We must not blame the bounty managers on whatever the future of the bounty campaign is managing gets into because he is just get hired with the contract that he must manage how the campaign is running and ensure that everything is getting into place.

Actually bounty managers are acting like our bridge or communicator to the team behind the project on any updates and changes happening in the entire run of the project. So if the project becomes a 'shit' one, then the blame must not be put into the manager but on the team because managers are just doing their job since that is the reason why they are getting paid for.

Back to 2017, during the ICOs boom, most of those who joined the forum to invest or looking for good projects to invest in, hasn't enough knowledge background to distinguich the good projects from the scam ones. All of them hadn't enough options but to follow well known trusted managers thinking they know which projects are good to manage. Times goes by, and just after a long time, and after discovering that all those projects are scams, we realised that even those managers we thought experienced were also ignorant and just profiting from the bubble as much as possible.
I can't tell you if to blame them or not, but we saw some good managers who refused to manage shitty projects and they are still active building the best repytation day by day.

And you can see most of these reputable bounty managers under this board - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0. They are only accepting bitcoin paying campaigns. Some of them tried to handle alt token paying campaigns but ended up bad so they learned their lesson as well. So right now, if you want a sure campaign, just take a look at this board and look for these BMs. But when it comes to alts, no one can assure you about your payment. Most of them are delayed and have no defined timeline when will they distribute and when will they hit in exchanges.

I feel that earnings on bounty could be based on luck and not only due diligence on the part of the bounty hunters. Some projects could use high ranking members who know their onus, and these members may carry out their private research to verify the legitimacy of the project, but along the line the project would disappear or refuse to pay hunters.

As you said, bounty managers are just like bounty hunters. Should they do good research about the project they are going to manage? I think bounty managers when get hired and work, they use their reputation to ensure that the project would be a trustworthy one. The thing is that all we can know about the people who run the project through bounty managers. They act as a bridge and communicator, so should they ensure both sides have benefits?

Do not expect bounty managers to always be right, sometimes they will be wrong, as careful as bounty detective a scam project called kingcasino still manages to fool the BM, whenever you see a new project always do your own part, don't rely on bounty managers to do everything for you.

Most times the bounty managers only care about themselves, so they don't take time to analyze the projects before accepting it, they just focus on getting their weekly payments in btc and not in the sh*tcoin bounty they are managing,although I don't blame them for that,because it actually looks like a job opportunity for them, so they will definitely take the job without thinking twice or taking time to analyze the project.

No,there is no other punishment apart from giving them a negative trust, I think you should just move on, instead of looking for a way to punish them,next time you should try doing some research about a project before joining their bounty campaign.

basically, it all depends on the team. although BM can make direct connections with the team, but they cannot turn a scammer into an honest person. however, BM may be able to provide special conditions to avoid such fraud. some BM will also be paid after the project runs, such as bounty hunter. so they can also be victims.

Indeed, we should not rely on the manager just because he is reputable. We need to conduct our own research before participating to make sure that we will participate in a worthy projects. There are many ways now to know if the project is likely to be a good one so we should not blame others for our own mistakes of not doing our part as a bounty hunter.

Indeed, we should not rely on the manager just because he is reputable. We need to conduct our own research before participating to make sure that we will participate in a worthy projects. There are many ways now to know if the project is likely to be a good one so we should not blame others for our own mistakes of not doing our part as a bounty hunter.
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But sometimes it added counts if the manager is Trusted and with good reputation but it does not necessarily mean all the project they
hold will be successful ,sometimes manager is also a victim of this scamming because i had talked to some
 good managers in the past and they admit that even them are not receiving
 any payments from their works.
everything is possible with these scammers thats why the risk will always be ours and not to rely to manager only.

If we wanted to make our time and effort safe then let us focus in Bitcoin paying campaigns with weekly payments.

Bounty Managers just do their work to get money, and almost of them will be paid by cash, not project's token like hunters. So some of them will not check the project carefully, and because of that we have tons of shit bounties like last time.

You are a member of this forum yourself, can you take the job of doing research on bounties before bounty manager can be allowed to make a thread of the campaign on this forum? It's always easier said than done, imagine what will happen if a scam project mistakes comes through you? Your reputation will be ruined, I think it's better to leave things as it is right now, focus more on doing research yourself

How many of the bounty managers can afford to be selective? There is an oversupply of bounty managers here in Bitcointalk, and at the same time the number of active bounty campaigns are going down. And this forces many of the lower ranked campaign managers to accept projects that are shady or having a very low chance of getting listed in the major exchanges.

The truth is bounty manager are no longer looking for prospects before accepting bounty job, seems all they now want is their money, once they realize the job can fetch them something reasonable they collect the job and enslave bounty hunter, is so so sadden.

they are good managers who manage several bounties with decent payments for bounty hunters. Some other bounty managers like Bubbalex and Bounty Detectives are also being talked about a lot. although not all of them are successful, they manage the project properly.

Yes thats true. But their campaign is btc paid signature and only limited users can join those campaign. For me in the altcoin section, we can count on my one hand those who are regularly have campaigns here and some of them are internal manager who handled their own. Lately only external manager like bounty detective, murat and bubblealex have projects to work with. There is also injective protocol but have contract with krypital firm.

I don't trust Bounty Detective, they manage a lot of bounty but I haven't seen any successful bounty in this forum. The price collapsed many times and the bounty hunter could not get too much money from it. Also they have managed a scam campaign like Kingcasino

BD has already distributed some bounties and this time it has already distributed IOI campaign which has been paying the participants with TRX. I guess it's not only BD but buballex or anyother trusted managers have ever found the scam campaign.

KCT has already stated it was doing refund.

Yahoo and Hhampuz also handled bounties but not that many if I still remembered correctly,
they are more on btc payment campaigns.
In regards to bounty managers, as they are not really in control with the fate of the project
it's the hunters obligation to do more research.
Participate only if you do believe that there's potentials that the team can develop, it's a basis
of support from the communities.

As far as I know, the team has made claims that it has reached a certain number of investors. maybe just bragging from the team. but if you've seen the project is bad from the start you are very good at analyzing it. but why don't you make a thread on a scam notification? it will be more helpful if you see something wrong with this project.

It's nothing to worry about even if a BM said he doesn't trust the project he is managing, to me it's not bounty managers responsibility to keep his hunters safe, it's a free world, whether the project will succeed or not that's not something that BM can know, it's all try and see

Bounty managers don't need to think about that. but when he promotes too many project scams, he loses their community. it will be bad for her next projects. at least the manager can protect the rights of bounty participants by becoming an escrow from the project for bounty hunters. it looks more promising.

they should be selective because it the project turn out as a scam it will waste many people time and doing promotion for nothing. I think a good manager is the one that always investigate the project that they going to manage, i think that should be the common sense among managers.

In my own experience, what infuriates me more is the apathetic manager wherein you have some questions that you want to clear up and you only get no response from the bounty manager. Sometimes they direct you to the organizer or the head honcho of the project marketing and still don't get answers or vague information. And that is after you have spent weeks doing the bounty. It is really aggravating that there are people who don't take care of their bounty participants.

Sometimes the bounty manager is being blame by managing a shit project, but if we are going to think about the manager and its part maybe he/she also didnt know the outcome of the poject that he/she handle, because there are project that is really amazing from the start but in a long run it will become failed. So i think we need to considered that we need not to blame bounty managers because they also didn't know what will be the outcome of the poject.

that's why you have to do an analysis of each project that you will promote, make sense or indeed fulfill the objectives for the project being developed.
if not you can choose another project to promote even if the project offers a large prize. :)

If you are talking about the forum moderating bounties than it would never be possible. We just need to thank them for making some rules to assist bounties and reduce spam. The bounties are here just because it's one of the largest gathering of crypto enthusiast and it's a free forum. It's actually a forum to talk about bitcoin, not to promote ICOs.
The bounty managers can help reduce the scams by making some precautionary measures as simple as an escrow. But it's always upto the individual participants research and a bit luck to find a good project.

If there really is a scam project, the Bounty Manager can get negative trust until it is banned. that is also if the moderator knows. so hope you report to the moderator what you experienced. but not infrequently bounty is also managed by Newbie. so here it's not just a matter of rank or track record, but you also have to learn whether the project has potential scams ....?

Well, they have little to be part of the bounty and are now more focused on weekly btc pay campaigns and they already know that the bounty program is not what it used to be, most of which are now failures so they no longer choose to manage bounties except for good projects after they filter.

And now join bounty with a well-known manager who has handled many bounties, so that would be better in my opinion.

You raised a really interesting topic. Indeed, in recent years, many bounty managers turned out to be scammers and the Bitcointalk form helped them capture them. I think this is a very good job and I thank them. The penalty in this case is a negative mark and possibly even an account lockout. No matter how there, but this measure of punishment at the moment is the best. Perhaps all these processes can be made even better, but personally I will not take such methods for now. In any case, the fight against fraudsters continues and this is very good.

Yes, of course, It's like you spend your time to invest in a project despite your money. So our time is limited, that why currently we need a deep analysis before participating in a bounty campaign. There are still quality projects out of here, but they'll not allocate a large fund for hunters, it's my experience after a year in doing bounties.

That's what happened today. several large projects already have a market. they will not give a large allocation to bounty hunters. but usually, they do several campaigns in stages. they have a way to maximize the bounty hunter. even with a small allocation, they still have a lot of participants.

Large projects will not allocate for bounties with large funds because for them it is enough with their own marketing team so the bounty program is only a little marketing that they had planned at the beginning, but if the project with failure then it will allocate high so that many are interested in me it's not enough to be followed in bounty promotions.

That must be done research for each participant if you do not want to be an unpaid hunter because by doing research I am sure that I will definitely find a better project and see the background of the team and their own products, if you have mastered it then you will know how the project better.

With less and lesser projects that are coming to them, there will be more likely to not look over the quality of the project. It really bothers me how disrespectful it is for bounty participants that the campaign manager is not wary of the project in general. I'm not degrading the work of bounty manager, but let's not deny that there are some whose only intention is to make money and not really to contribute in the community.
At the end it is the right of the bounty manager to accept or refuse the project, if it turns out to be  scam then he's part of it.

Being a Bounty manager is a time consuming job which is hard and can result to problems at anytime. That is why most Bounty managers can work in groups IF they are managing a large bounty.

Bounty managers don't just accept any bounties, of course they take time to review it. They will have their own payout from those bounties and I guess that is how some of their payments work. Managers do not know the outcome of those bounties because they are only there to arrange those payouts properly and make sure that nobody is cheating in their works.

Shit projects are unpredictable and that depends on how will the platform work through out time.

Bounty managers are also humans like us and we do a lot of mistakes in life. The thing is that these days scammers are also doing a lot of work before making their project public and when their work is final they introduce the projects to public. Mostly people easily spot the scam project from fake ones and a few times when they aren't able to do so the bounty managers filter these out. But a few scam projects also get past the bounty managers filters too.
Also that if you think that the project is legit then only you invest in it or participate in the bounty, no one actually forces the participant to join aslo if the project turns out to be a scam then the bounty managers also don't get paid or take a loss.

There are actually many types of bounty managers in this market. There will be quite a lot of bad teams and also very reputable and hard working bounty managers. In a decentralized market and the job is not guaranteed like this, we have to accept that risk. We all work on trust and if we make a mistake in trusting them it's our fault, we didn't check the project but we were too dependent on the team manager. So in order to get money when marketing here, we should have the knowledge to check the project and never rely on the bounty manager.

This sound is not good for the reputed bounty managers. They shouldn’t conduct fishy projects if paid good money from teams, because their reputation can be affected for the scam or shit projects, so always money isn’t big deal. Most of the popular BM accepted only BTC,ETH or sometimes other top ranking coins.            

For real, everyone do it for the money, bounty managers too so people should stop putting too much trust in bounty managers. Yes, he/she might have a good reputation so far but we will never know one day, they would pull an exit base on their high reputation. Make a good choice on what bounty project you want to join, try to find any dirt on that project till it's safe.

I see only one solution to this issue of projects getting failed and wasting bounty hunters time and energy. All the payments should either made in ETH or BTC, and that too weekly. This way, bounty hunters will be confident on working campaigns.  But in reality not sure if this will happen because projects which fail, will loose (?) their money.

Most of the time where reputable or known managers will surely choose up to be paid via BTC or other top alts which do had value in the market before they do tend to handle out such
project.

Come to know that it is out of managers hands  when it comes to projects success no matter how hard they do make out some search and verification.

All thing matters on the project team itself if they would push up to their roadmap or would just simply vanished after the sale.I do agree on the suggestion somehow but it really
hard to verify everything even if you are that good manager.

Consider this, for every reputable manager that rejects a project, there's 3 newbie manager wannabe's that'll accept it for the fraction of a cost.
And hunters, as always will NOT DYOR and blame everyone EXCEPT themselves for it.

This has become way too common in the industry with bounty managers accepting to work on just about any project and in so doing, accepting mostly worthless projects. This is often because of greed and the non chalant attitudes they all have towards the bounty hunters. They really don't care what the hunters stand to gain or lose, the only care about their own pockets and the ability to make a quick buck.

It is difficult to participate in payment campaigns with bitcoin. They have a lot of complicated requirements and there are a lot of people waiting to sign up, in addition they limit the participants and only a few of the best ones can be selected.

I would agree it is extremely difficult to find campaigns that pay with Bitcoin. The reason for that is since most of the bounty hunters no longer trust campaigns in the Altcoin threads, they flock to the Bitcoin threads and many are rushing to become part of a campaign. Hence most campaigns will be able to fill their slots in just a day or two, after that it is finding the golden duck that lays golden eggs all over again and they will scramble all the threads for a campaign to join. And the cycle repeats. But imagine the comfort it will provide you once you were able to join because of your persistence.

for now, there are no penalties for bounty managers who manage crap projects, but all this will reduce their own reputation where the projects they manage no one wants to join or some participants send redtrust.

Yes, it is very difficult to participate in those campaigns. And they ask for a higher rank and a lot of merit, I'm just trying to participate in token-paying bounty but unfortunately, up to now I haven't been able to find a good campaign and success

If a manager already has a bad reputation then I think there will be no more followers, maybe many will leave him, but if the bad ones are from the project, I think it is not the manager's fault and he only manages it with offers that have been agreed upon.

I'm just tired of working for shit project even with hard rules.once I realized a particular Bounty manager always drop shit projects mostly every time I will stop working and participating in his Bounty. There are other good projects out there with low crowd on their spreadsheet....

Gone are the days when enrolling under a good bounty manager could get you good campaigns. Now the number of new ICOs are too few, and even the most reputed bounty managers are accepting projects that are very shady. But then, we need to admit that this is going to be the situation for sometime. What happened in 2017 is not going to repeat anytime soon.

To be honest, I'm a little surprised by the opinion of some bounty hunters. They do not bother to analyze the project, development team, etc.before joining its bounty company. But when it turns out that the project was fraudulent - they begin to resent and look for the guilty and those who should control.

One of the major important things to do when participating in any bounty campaign is to thoroughly do your research, because bounty managers are also people who are working for the sake of generating income. This is why they must not be solely depended upon that a project will be a good one. I believe they are just doing their job based on the agreement they have with the team behind a particular project

I do agree, that bounty hunters must do a research of a project they are willing to participate, but this research must be sketchy or not very deep. All the major investigating work must be done by bounty manager. Because his reputation is at stake. Yes, bounty manager is also a living person that wants to eat, but if he puts generating income over reputation then he is done. He can run numerous successful campaign, but he will be remembered only buy managing scam project.

As much as possible we have to do research so that it is not in vain in participating in the bounty and of course a manager will try as much as possible to choose the best project but if at the end it remains scam in not the wrong manager but the team's promise is not consistent to build the project.

unfortunately some bounty managers who still don't have much experience are still difficult to know that the project is scam or not because some project founders sometimes also refuse to make an escrow bounty allocation to the bounty campaign manager, when there are developers who have guaranteed the payment of bounty campaign participants then that can be said as a potential project handled by the best bounty manager.

Yes, this is indeed important for those who are newbies and have not much experience in knowing which are good and which are bad in crypto, but it also depends on how they judge it, because some of the newbies also think this is not important to them.

For newbies it's safer to follow reputable bounty managers in this forum, this is more safer than just blindly joining any bounty projects, I can see some not so good bounties in bounty section where as many still join them

When they listed on exchange it means they have an initial fund for operation, so I think that's why they just need a small budget for bounty to gain the attention from the community. The fact that currently bounties will never be like the old days again, so we still need the bounties with real cash like that.

It's not that easy to avoid scam projects but still not impossible, some scam bounty projects are detectable if you are good at doing your own research, the easiest way is to follow highly recommendable bounty managers like bubbalex and julerz12

It mostly happens with the inexperienced bounty hunters. They fall prey to social media hype and fraudulent advertisements. It's a natural process. It is normal to get scammed, at least during your starting days here. The trick is to learn from your mistakes and never commit them again. A lot of research and analysis is needed before you join any bounty campaign. It will prevent heartburn later.

 This is the problem , some  bounty managers do not carry out any research on projects before they accept to involve themselves and bounty hunters. most times after spending your time and resources in promoting a project , if its listed and the market value is reasonable team will want to scam hunters by introducing rules that were not there at the beginning of such bounty program and the bounty manager wont be able to defend himself  and hunters.

But the good thing here is some bounty managers have learnt and they collect bounty reward before bounty starts therefore guaranteeing hunters of their rewards after the bounty . This is a good development and  other bounty managers  should also  insist on collecting  bounty pool before the  commencement of such bounties.

There are no safe ways to participate in bounty campaigns. This forum has the bounty manager Arteezy. he was very good, but the last 4 companies turned out to be a scam. and now he has no companies at all. there are no guarantees

The manager should share maximum information and feedback he gets from the project. I've experienced participating in bounty that last for 3 months and turned to be scam. When hunters started to blame bounty manager, he told that he had not received his payment for second and third month, so he also "suffers" from scam project.

What makes me sad is that this manager did not tell the situation with his due date payment. If I knew that, I would not continue participating in this bounty. Because if they treat BM like that, they wont treat hunters well as well.

I think the bounty manager was never experienced as at that time, else he would have backed out since he already saw the signs of what might happen at the end. If he had raised an alarm early enough, surely he would get people to join him in fighting such a scam project team, who are cameras themselves and that might make them change their mind. They won't want their project to fail because of such accusation. I just would have learnt his lessons.

It's kind of like any other marketer. Do the people who make ads for insurance companies believe the insurance is the greatest coverage in the world? Conviction in a project helps, but is usually secondary to the paycheck.

yes you are right, choosing a reputable manager in the forum is no guarantee that the project he handles will be good or does not end up scam because some famous managers have a bounty that ends up scam, we need to do our own research

Bounty campaigns do relied from how the developers will go thru, if the developers will turned to scamming people there's no chance for the managers to get anything to pay the hunters, not unless the manager itself will ask early payout or to escrow the funds.

It's the best way for both end, if the team agrees to escrow the allocated rewards the manager will have the assurance that the hunters will receive each shares that they'll work for the designating time period.

At least the trusted manager has already tried to choose which is the best project for its hunters. Im seeing so many managers were also starting to do analyzation before try to take any jobs that being offered by the developers too.

Why to put only the blame on the bounty managers? They are just accepting the job being offered to them and that is to keep the campaign organized while the promotion is going on. No one can entirely know what will be the exact outcome of the project only the developers or the team behind that project. Bounty managers are just doing the task being held on them that is why they are getting paid for. Also, as a participant of that campaign, you must be the responsible one to seek the informations needed by your own self to decide if you were going to join the campaign or not.

The blame must not be forced into a single side because both have their own fault. On the bounty managers, maybe it was their fault for not assuring the legibility of the campaign, on the part of the participants, the informations they need to know if they were joining a worthy or legible campaign. But the main blame is for the team or the developer behind because our only task as manager and participants is to promote the project to attract potential investors and the team are the ones capable to manage what will be the outcome of their project. If a bounty become a scam, we, the manager and the participants are all the same victim so no one must be pin point that it is his/her fault only.

Scams are not moderated in bitcointalk so it is your own responsibility to find the real project because you are earning money for you not to the forum.But bounty managers do some research on the project before taking it for granted if they want to hold their reputation that is why hunters are advised to choose bounties managed by the reputed forum managers.

true, we must not blame the bounty manager either because they have tried to choose the best, so to make sure they are deceptive or not, have to do research and find out whether their team is genuine or not and must also examine the place where they founded the project they are going to build

That can be the best example of even the trusted manager can't even give a guarantee if that will always become the trusted project. The manager has been doing what he can do to make sure if that was not a scam project. In this case, manager has been doing a lot of efforts.

Arteezy has good records of successful bounties on this forum but he is human too, now it's seems he isn't taking things more serious like in past anymore? I haven't joined any of his Campaign before but I have friends who have.

In 2017 and 2018 he managed many campaigns, one of which was success and helped a lot of participants get huge amounts of money. My friend made over $ 5000 with just one campaign he managed, but then he managed many scam projects and was no longer interested in the participants.

and now we all understand that he has lost his reputation and no one else wants to participate in his campaigns. even if tomorrow he will launch a new campaign no one wants to participate and we won’t see such hype as before

Actually people will join Arteezy campaign, because among all these newbie or newbie/cooper member accounts his campaign will stand out. Specially if he offers a good pull. People will give him another chance.

I agree, if there were no those who lose on investments in cryptocurrencies, then where would the profitability come from. It turns out such a cycle: a newcomer to the crypto space comes, loses his money, makes conclusions and learns from his mistakes and begins to try to make money from the mistakes of others))

Bounty managers take money for managing the bounty campaigns, at the end they really do not care about the legitimacy of the promoted project. Only managers that managing more campaigns care more about the quality because they want to make a brand, that would bring a trust for future bounty campaigns.

True and the last few months I've seen bounty managers like this very much, but now they have started to disappear because most bounty managers who have a mindset like this already get tags and flags from DT members, the problem is the fate of participants who participated in some project that handled by scam bounty manager they only work for free and don't get a reward.

Maybe participants just dont know how to check flags and tags? Or they were not taught how reputation work and they should pay attention to it?

It amazes me that people join campaigns under management of a BM, that was tagged for cheating or promoting scam. What are in these people heads when they join? Last 5 campaigns turned scam, but this time it definitely gonna be a successful campaign.

In everyday thinking what matters is money in the managers' pockets but this cannot be generalized. There are great managers who only accept serious and valuable projects to work with and we can analyze your personal portfolio and study your performance history. This should be essential when entering a campaign, analyzing the project and the manager.

All qualified bounty managers want to give a good bounty gift for everyone hunter so any manager won't promote scam project. It can be seen that more projects have been set up for clearing documents but after a while they also scam. Anyway I'll always try to work from my own search to a better bounty.

It will affect their reputation if they will promote scam, so great bounty managers really carefully chooses project to manage but still there will always be someone who just want money and will not even bother to research thoroughly if the project is good.

Also, It's also a job for bounty hunters to do their own research before they join a campaign. They will be more profitable if they will developed a skill where they can tell if the project will succeed.

Bounty Managers have their responsibility to there corresponding projects to be end successfully wih5 the help of their members too. I wonder why some of the project left by the bounty managers, sometimes i have encountered those situation.

I don't count how many bounty projects I have participated in since the ICO trend, some managers are fair and there are those who are not at all responsible with the participants who have been willing to risk their resources and also their time and the remnants of those memories are a lot junk coins that are still stored in the wallet today.

It is true we must do research that in order to determine good projects, but not all bounty hunters have the ability to analyze projects well.
Especially for newbies who often choose wrong projects. Bounty Managers should not arbitrarily choose projects, so I think Bounty Managers
should check first whether the projects are feasible or not to be promoted. So bounty hunters won't waste time promoting shit projects.

though as matter of fact, dont has vast knowledge yet, but the one i have, many bounty manager are paid with the token of the project of the project they manage, go the fact from the project i just participated in, the bounty manager is talking to hunter as regards to distribution and talking about the value of the project, and making it know that, he will be paid with the project token, i think addition punishment no payment, or no full payment, in the case were certain percentage is paid in stable coin

Aside from the bounty hunter doing the research and analysis, bounty manager should feel responsible on selecting bounty projects.  They are the first line of investigation when they accept and close a deal from a project that wanted a bounty campaign.  I believe bounty manager should be held responsible if ever  a bounty campaign turned scam.

they always do the best for theirself and also bounty hunter. they will strictly filter campaign that come to them, but everthing is not in their hand. everything could be legit or scamm depend on developers team itself. i many time saw good project in early , but in the middle they change their mind to cancel bounty campaign. in this case we could not blame bounty manager.

Sometimes we can easily see low quality projects being promoted by bounty managers for few bucks.
This greed is toxic and such managers will lose hunters so greed will not give you longterm business.
So stay with only quality projects and learn to say NO to low quality projects for the sake of this community and crypto market as a whole.

They have stated in the bounty thread that they are not responsible to any losses you can get by joining these campaigns because they act as a campaign manager only. Although, it could affect their trust quality on their accounts. Would rather to be a legit person and try everything on board you know.

This also means they can accept whatever the fuck projects they want as long as it gives them big money.

some of bounty hunter really care about bounty campaign quality and take less campaign offer that come to them. and when any campaign turned to scamm, it mean their filtered not strict yet. look at bounty detective , they managed alot campaign but most of them have no value at all. although its not scam but they didnt work well in analize campaign.

Actually bounty managers are in a hard situation, just visit the "PayAccept" campaign. Admin shut down the telegram group for his payment. PayAccept doesn't look like a legitimate campaign to me. As Op's explanation, how could we punish these scam projects? We are here searching for legitimate projects and moderators are here to help us.

The bounty manager is forced to take the bounty job for himself, not knowing it was a failed or successful project. What the bounty manager thinks about is the pay he received.

Not thinking about the fate of the bounty participants who have worked according to the rules applied by the project.

In my opinion, this should not be allowed because it can harm the bounty participants and their work is in vain.

Yes. They are some porjects that good at start and end with scam. An some bounty managers  don't mind  about the project, they are just doing their work, paid and go. But since we're here in this business in years, It's our job to do research carefully  about the project before joining the campaign.

But do you know that a lot of this alt bounty managers were also rekt by these campaigns? I believe a lot of them were not paid as well. So as you can observed, most of them already stopped their services because their effort were also wasted by these crap projects. As a participant, you should know how to assess the project, if it is real or not, or just wasting your time.

I do commend those BMs that only accept btc or eth paying campaigns. That means, their participants are definitely getting paid at the end of each week. And most of them are reputable BMs.

However, they just being blind when the campaign turned into scam. Many bounty managers even before who are washing their hands right after the project becomes scam. I don`t know when will the system of bounty campaigns will change. It is really a disappointment to all of us here that no bounty campaigns nowadays are paying enough to the hunters. If there, it is the weekly campaigns which paid in btc. Only few managers I have seen who are concerned in their bounty hunters, most of good and efficient managers have gone already.

I hope someday, bounty campaigns will become good as what it was before. But I think it will never happen again.

If a bountymanager just accepts every bounty of every shitcoin that is offered to him he will lose his good reputation pretty soon and no one wants to join his bounty anymore.
People in this forum are pretty vocal when they were in a bad bounty that didn't pay or wasn't manage well or never made it to a exchange and so on.
There are some bounty managers here in this forum who are well known for their quality campaigns i am pretty sure they only accept really solid altcoin projects or bounty that pay in btc or stablecoin.

Indeed, it can affect their reputation negatively as a bounty manager here. If this happens then bounty hunters wont trust anymore the future project that he will manage.

Thats right most of them only manage good campaign and has concern to the participants. Thats why sometimes a reputable bounty manager is an indication of a legit project thus I only follow their projects.