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I've heard enough about exchanges and my ears are full, if you aren't a scammer or a pump and dump dev this is for you, I'm going to list some exchanges on here right now

1. Vindax
2. Systemkoin
3. ChainX
4. P2PB2B
5. Latoken
6. Dobi
7. Hotbit
8. Yobit

The following 👆 exchanges are extremely dangerous for your new project, do you hear me? It's either you get scammed and ripped off of the little fund raised believe me you won't raise hardcap successful on themor you are fooled about the exact amount that was raised and never get paid still, either one will happen.

Secondly these exchanges have no reputations to care for, you paid for the IEO and listing and your tokens won't attract investors, it's better to find ways for better exchanges or don't bother to do anything at all until you are able to.

The last man standing (Fund raising) is IEO and the only way to come out with flying colors with IEO is going to top Exchanges, take my words seriously if you are a developer, many failed to listed as I pleaded with them because their projects have good use cases and they end up worthless in the end.

Investors are now started and trust only top Exchanges, if you are looking for better investors they are available only on top Exchanges, this is not only the benefits of top exchanges, more Volumes and better Liquidity.

You want to know what's going on in investors mind today? Here is the answer
Bad projects lists on small exchanges do not blame them, even I have worst experience on these exchanges... Developers it's not bad to do your own research on exchanges too

Thank you

A good project doesn't need to pay to be listed on the IEO platform. As far as i know, if this is not needed at all. Those exchange sites have been scamming the ico creators and some creators have even paid a lot of money. It looks like we must also need to create awareness into its official thread again.
The developer must understand it correctly about the possibility to be scammed by thosee xchange sites.

Well this is another one, what do you mean by good projects doesn't need to pay to be listed on IEO platform? It's always about the money, even binance makes new projects buy some BNB tokens first before other requirements

It shouldn't be about the money. It should mostly be about Blockchain/decentralization principles.
Developers not doing things the right way, even a little bit derailment can have serious consequences for "crypto/Blockchain" Projects.
Imagine rearing cats to protect you from large rats, instead of letting the cats do their jobs you put them in cages 24/7 or you keep them inside the rats home and tie them with ropes.

Are you sure about that? I think even major exchange that conduct IEO of course asking for payment. Binance, Kucoin, Okex, I think its impossible that they will not ask payment fee for those good project to be listed on their launchpad. Everything has a fee nowadays. That's why those exchange mentioned by OP are those small time exchange running IEO and not doing any due diligence on project potential as long as they can pay the fee.

I don't know most of the exchanges but I totally agree with P2PB2B, this is an IEO killer, even though you got a good project they will just dump the coin/token until it is dead. And I read on one of the statements here that exchanges list them if they are good, yes, that is possible however most of them are being paid.

I think this has become common because there have been many projects that have emerged with the IEO system that do not market them to the exchanger. At present, there are already quite a lot of projects marketing their products ranging from probit and exmarket. Well, I think it's a pretty good market for IEO, it's just that I hear negative rumors from Probit

Once again, some words without evidence. The data of the exchange and their reputation with everyone on the hulk.
But why should developers take your word for it? Attach links with evidence of their guilt, so that your topic becomes a guiding one for the creators of projects.

We don't need proves, many are in scam accusation thread on this forum, I lost funds on vindax and the team never helped out, same thing with exmarket, about p2pb2b they are well known for fake volume and watch trades, it seems you are new on here

There are projects who don't need to rely on centralized exchanges. Blocknet being one of them, as you can trade BLOCK on their own DEX. Pretty damn cool, and as an investor you can profit off of the DEX fees if you run a masternode.

The BLOCK DX was the first DEX to launch in early 2018, but Blocknet itself was launched in 2014. Here's the website to more about their DEX for anyone interested btw: https://blockdx.com/

The sooner we STOP using these centralized trash exchanges the better, why not trade in a safe environment with less fees? That's the real question you need to ask yourself!

Where the heck have you been? Are you the owner of your account? Because even members on here knew how dubious all these exchanges are, OP don't need to show any prove, them exchanges are bad for new projects and they have cheated many, I'm surprised this is coming from a hero member

A new project must have shown it's capability before some exchanges can list them for free, this happens to one in 100 projects and now it's all about money, there are free listings too that only requires voting but before a project can win a vote supporters must have seen the projects potential before supporting

It's even part of their plan to list into those exchanges because the requirements for the projects to get listed isn't that difficult. That's why many crap projects were listed there and it's continuous because they see that they're not too strict with the requirements.
Once they're in, they will not think of a better place like Binance.

With the growing complaints about this exchange by many people it is definitely time for any upcoming project to have a proper plan about listing before lunching their project,
First all, it is usually lack or limited funds that drove some project to be in this exchange,
Or the project in question don't really care where they are listed provided they have the opportunity to dump their shit coins on others,
Hopefully, the serious project will yield this advice.

Am sure about P2PB2B and Latoken, the two exchanges are known for accepting shit projects or better still helping a project to go down the drain. To be frank, I agree with you, a good developer or team should make their research about the exchange they want to list on, it shouldn't be necessarily top exchanges but there are good and medium exchanges to start with as a new project. Most times I used to wonder how a team who really cares about their efforts in building a project will go as far as listing on a bad exchange, which points to the fact they are after their own pockets and not any developments.

This is very good advice for the all crypto project owners! All of these exchanges are shit, I want to add some other exchanges like Coinlim, Coineal, Coinsbit, Exmarkets, Probit which are the same in nature! I think only shit projects are conducting their IEO on these exchanges, otherwise, good exchanges have Kucoin, Gateio, Bitforex and others gem exchange like Binance, Okex, Huobi, Bittrex for conducting their IEO! It's not only dev's job, rather every investor should be wise enough, so they don't invest all these shit scam exchange's IEOs!

Where is the YOSHIT on the list,it is probably the exchange with the highest number of shit coins compared to other crypto exchanges.

OP do you really think devs don't know about the reputation of the exchange is important for a project to be stay alive? But they don't care since they already made enough money from their idea.

The good project needs to pay too through the crypto/USD or through their native coin, therefore Binance asks to buy their BNB coin to be eligible in their IEO launchpad! Kucoin, Okex, Huobi does too! Although A good project easily can manage a good exchange to launch their IEO but it's not free at all!

They know what is right for them and they actually know also how to generate money from their investors. And the bad thing is that they make a foolish thing towards their investors and leave nothing. They probably not thinking about being listed to known exchanges coz they know it needs a huge amount of money. Unless, if they are really serious about their project.

Any good performing or prospective project will be recognized by good exchanges and won't even have any thought of going to these kinds of exchange. Majority of new projects don't really have investors that's why they to to these exchange.

Thanks for highlighting those exchanges and summarizing them.
Funny enough, i am a fan of hotbit, perhaps because tokens i have traded them have been rewarding, especially bobs repair.

I think p2p2p2 has been rewarding for me as well.

I think purposes of crypto exchange differs alot, and as a content creator focused on profits, any exchange goes.
None the less, every devs should make a good product, that will ensure that top exchanges run after their project.

I agree with your list but at the same time i see most of the new projects are holding their ieos at one of these exchanges and then listing their coin there as well which just dumps endlessly there. I know there is a problem but i think new projects are also helpless because big exchanges and IEO platforms do not accept them so these projects do not have any option other than to list on these exchanges, i think if the project is good and they come up with good product there coin will even perform well on these exchanges too.

More than half of the exchanges in the space are playing scam games, I do not know why people are not calling them out, I like Yobit exchange being that everyone knows where they stand, a pump and dump exchange but some of these exchange pretending to be real is baffling

Right, we have heard so much about this exchange being a scam and just running a p&d scheme.

And investors are getting intelligent, if they see that IEO's are going to be listed on this second tier scheme, they know that probably this project has some bad intentions and will be used by bad actors to fit their narratives, p&d. And I don't understand why projects wanted to list or launched and IEO in a shitty exchange. Maybe launching them is quite cheap as compare to lets say Binance, but it going to be worth it when investors see your project in a top tier exchange.

usually devs doing IEO might be possible so that there is a sense of security for investors to invest in their projects, but investors should also be more careful in the markets that carry out the IEO.

There are still few others that is missing on your list, people will only stop using this exchanges if new projects don't patronize them anymore, investors who wants to sell will have no choice but to use the exchanges

I didn't know that Hotbit was listed as a harmful exchange. I had already heard about the other exchanges with bad reputation and low liquidity. It is difficult for new projects to execute a successful token sale and now with the Coronavirus, the market is even more uncertain.

I only see the assumptions in your post, everyone can express their opinions, but opinions that are not accompanied by data are nonsense, the arguments you make seem subjective.
I hope you update your post by including data.

from the list that you have provided they are very dangerous scammers but when I see hotbit is also one of them so I'm surprised because hotbit is an exchange that I use often, thank you for creating this thread

I think Devs knows better but that does not prevent themselves from listing the project in the site.
You have you own opinion, or maybe experience, but as long as the site is still operating, they remain legal exchange that would do legit business.
And also, in big exchanges, they do charge devs with big listing fee, so you can blame the devs who just choose to list in a smaller exchange.

Everyone needs to stay away from low exchanges, they can easily exit scam anytime any day, there are many cases of unknown exchanges scamming people of there money, unpopular exchanges are dangerous, it's same thing idax did till they exit scam after scamming many new projects of their IEO funds

The majority of scam exchange sites are coming from the low tier exchange sites bu as far as i know if those who have been scammed by those exchange sites are getting fooled caused by the scam exchange site was offering a big return to the developers. It looks like scam accusation is really needed.

from some of the lists that you have mentioned are very true, they are junk exchanges. especially in 2018-2019 many tokens are generated from bounties (ICO / IEO) and registered in several exchanges such as
1. Vindax
2. Systemkoin
3. P2PB2B
the tokens they produce are useless tokens & no longer have a sale price. this is very concerning

Can you share it here for some other exchanges that aren't suitable for many people to use? because it will also help many people to stay away from useless exchanges in cryptocurrency, because the average exchange user obviously puts their assets in when trading.

P2pB2B were obviously scamming. We saw it on a thread they were using fake profile but we still keep using it. I have no issues with the rest of the exchanges since I have not use them but we know for sure the coins holding IEO on them are not doing well in the market. It has got to do with the exchange, likely them not popular but exchange dumping the tokens has got to be proven with blockchain, can these dumping be tracked?

Yes, one way to eradicate a low exchange is to stay away from it and urge everyone not to use it, because they are truly not responsible for losing our assets, like idax and bnex, both exchanges are exchange scams.

I am going to air my opinion and that is, any project thinking of or already conducting IEO on some of these exchanges is questionable because I see nothing good about them that is worth the attention. Also, project teams should be careful of listing on those exchanges because they will only but succeed in killing the project the more. Someone might say top exchanges, yes they are good but starting from other small but good exchanges is a good way to start off while attracting more users and preparing for future exchanges.

Scammer Developers don't care either as they have same goal with those exchanes and that is to scam investors. How many times that those Exchanges have been accused of scams most especially P2PB2B and Latoken but still there are plenty of start up projects conducting their IEO there. If Devs really want their project to be successful they must at least list or conduct their IEO in a reputable exchange if they can not afford big fees then once they get the project successful start expanding their trading options in some of the top class exchanges in the market.

It seems that P2PB2B has a very bad reputation in the cryptocurrency market, a lot of people accuse P2PB2B of embarking with the IEO developer to pump then to be broken.
I think the problem for a project listed on the transaction is probably money, most of the IEO and ICo are required to pay a fee to be able to be listed on a certain transaction.

It still baffles me to see developers conduct initial exchange Offering in these exchanges you have listed. Sometimes I want to think that the developers do not carry out research before listing their tokens in such exchanges or could it be that the fee is very low,? Well listing in such exchanges will mean so much harm to a coin that was carefully planned,so Devs should do more research for the progress of their coin.

Your first paragraph is straight to the point, as it shows that only pump and dump developers or those who aren't ready to offer anything good would list on those exchanges. Since time past Latoken is known as an exchange which never gives a project the opportunity to grow, even token sales on that exchange don't always end well. In addition to Latoken, from my own angle, P2PB2B and Vindax are also not worth it as projects always don't do well there. In all ramifications, you are right with your list, and developers should also learn to do the right thing unless of course they don't care about any development but are after pump and dump or they are scammers.

virtually every traders have had a fair share of bad experience with the usage of these exchanges. Some of them might not be entirely a scam exchange but they are characterized by extremely low volume and liquidity which do prompt them to do fake volume and wash trading. I think the devs that do opt for those exchanges are either the ones short on cash to pay for listing on top exchange or the ones that ain't guenuine and have the intentions to scam.

I perfectly agree with you as only a team that is not competent enough will choose the option of these scamming exchanges.  Devs who ain't financially bouyant will definitely go for cheaps exchanges without volume and liquidity. I think p2pb2b and vintax are the ones with most bad reviews of being scams. Post like this are good announcements to save everyone from such scam exchanges

The list must be added with Bcnex, because there are many complaints about withdrawals that have not been processed even for weeks. The biggest problem in cryptocurrency is trust and exchangers should maintain that reputation so that transactions from members will continue to increase

All of them are known to be quite shady, even if they are not scam they are at least shady, do not forget to add in yobit as well because they literally declined to pay you up many times, a lot of people complained that they couldn't withdraw their money and that was basically all from credible sources as well, not some people blaming them and get paid from other exchanges. They even did a HUGE signature campaign type of thing to make people forget about all of it but they didn't and all of that money became nothing.

Honestly they did even created their own tokens and gave everyone 700 of it, yoda or something, and everyone was waiting to sell it. What did it became? Something that is stuck on their exchange and requires you to write once to get 7 per day...

You're right as a developer, listing your tokens initially on these smaller exchanges can spell doom. Instead of engaging in such listing I always advice that projects gets funds from community support or their IEO or ICO raised funds should be used to list on one major exchange than multiple small exchanges.

Since IEO is the only fund raising path left on crypto space then new projects have no choice but to use IEO, but to become successful or come out with good result you have to go better exchange

1. Low exchanges equals bad results
2. High exchanges equals good results

This is how IEO works, it's this simple

I've already added Yobit exchange on the list, they are shady and can't be trusted too, I don't bother to join their giveaway because I'm sure it will be worthless, not all exchange tokens are worth buying, good exchanges aren't many

But to be listed on popular exchange you need to pay high amount for listing fees or else your project should be popular enough so the exchange will adopt your currency even without the need to pay.
Its easy to say you should list on popular exchange but its hard to happen since more of that exchange only list popular crypto currency and other ask for highest listing fee of you dont have that 2 choices you cant be added there easily.

If a dev don't have enough to list on big Exchange I suggest they should continue fund raising and aim for better exchanges, it's just the only way forward

I have a technical project and I know the difficulty of project operation.
It is difficult to run the project without a large amount of funds.
A new technology often takes a lot of time and money.
But most investors don't have that much patience and foresight.
When most developers get money easily, they tend to forget their original intentions.
I concentrated on researching for 2 years. I want to raise funds, but most investment institutions are not willing to invest.
They prefer to listen to a good story, then find someone to take over, make a profit and leave
My project, Homogeneous multi-chain system: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230875

The problem is those exchange sites were manipulating their daily trade volume. Those developers are getting trapped caused by that. I think that coinmarketcap can be considered as a party responsible for this thing. CMC is always putting scam exchange sites at the top exchange site in term of daily trade volume.

OP you should add exmarket on the list too, these exchanges don't deserve any attention at all, all they do is ruin the life of the new projects due to lack of volume and liquidity

If they just manipulated volumes, that would be half the problem. The main nuance is that these exchanges have very low liquidity, so each of them has a manual method of withdrawing funds.
This is the highest level of risk for any funds, because in an unfavorable situation you simply will not be able to withdraw your assets.

Undoubtedly, the cryptocurrency exchanges on which the listing of coins of a particular project is carried out are also of great importance for the future of this project.  As always, on higher-rated cryptocurrency exchanges, trading is carried out with greater intensity and with large volumes, but nevertheless, in the first place, coins should interest traders and investors, as well as convince them of their successful future.  I believe that projects that show real prospects will be a good success, because otherwise, due to lack of demand, any exchange can arrange delisting.

I think what OP is talking about is how to raise fund successfully with no hiccups, even not too good projects come out with good results on binance, you won't advice a very high quality project to do IEO on p2pb2b exchange even if the quality is so good, the end result will still be bad

I hope they do listen, many new projects team are so stubborn that they don't care about others advice, some said fees for listing on big exchanges are high but the only chance to success from IEO is going for big exchanges, I'd say it's better they don't hold IEO on small exchanges because the result is pretty simple, FAILURE

You do not understand. A young developer can stumble only on this topic, and who knows whether he will believe the author or not without reference to the evidence base.
Links to topics with scam revelations and reviews greatly expand devs horizons, while not everyone will manually search for them.


Before being so toxic, think about whether you correctly understood the words I said and whether you caught the thought. Then think about whether you are smart enough to be constructive?

Rhetorical question.   ;)

Good job, OP.
There was already an incident of Yobit scam here, so I think the devs should be wary of that.
I am not sure if devs would be able to read this compilation that the OP made, it could be applicable to bounties sections because pretty much users or BHs would be able to stop promoting projects that would surely wanted to get their coins listed in these exchanges you mentioned.

If project developers do not have a queue of investors as soon as they announce the development of such a project, then this project does not represent anything interesting and promising, and it is better for such a project not to go out at all and not to conduct an ICO or IEO on any exchange. But if the developers know that their project is crap and they want to earn something, they will not listen to your advice. They will go to the exchange that agrees to accept their shitty project on IEO.

The bothering question is, does a good team need to think twice before choosing an exchange? What I mean in essence is, a good team knows what's good for them and since they are serious about their project they will surely go for good exchanges not this ones which have track record of scams, killing projects, pump and dump etc. It is now bad that once I see any project listing on those exchanges, I don't bother reading further or trying to know more, I kindly exit from it because i see it as a waste of time..

OP do find time to add bitforex to the list, the exchange is a IEO killer and I do hope that devs come around to read your topic on this forum, honestly I'm starting to think that developers pick this exchanges knowing what will happen right from the start

Yeah, choosing the best exchange will really matter and could also be a basis for the future of their project. Devs must have to look at which exchanges that could give them assurance and not just being get listed would be enough. Investors will never look for sure those coins that are listed to these exchanges and just simply ignored. They can't see a bright future with them but just a possible losing ends.
If devs have a good intention and certainly want to give the benefits for everyone, they shouldn't make any stupid things that could ruin their reputation.

Sometimes devs are choosing those exchanges because either of loose regulations to list a coin or the fee is very affordable to them. I think there are still other exchanges that includes in OP's list. But sometimes it is hard to provide evidence especially for those pump and dump ones, exit scams, selling their coins via discord and disappear after they got their money. Up until today, really hard to trust projects. But you can see how in depth they are, if you will find time to study their whitepaper, website, links and team members. If you will give time to check on them, you will get the notion if they are sincere or not with their platform.

if projects from the early beginning say that they will conduct IEO on some kind of exchange similar to p2p2b, then I immediately understand that it is better not to work with this project and just not waste time on it. people just see that the project will be on the exchange and they will be able to quickly sell their tokens. very stupid strategy

as you have said it is true that many new exchanges are fraudulent, they display invalid coin price lists and the IEO projects listed there are mostly fraudulent. especially the P2PB2B exchange. I was once deceived while trading coins there and right away I no longer believed in that bullshit exchange.

Yes you have share many fake volume exchange with big dumper ways platform but remember it, a good project will never choice bad exchange. Although, a good project always want smart investors and their developer roadmap very clear.

I don't think founders don't understand this market. They are undoubtedly the people who know the scam exchange best, but they want to do it to achieve the roadmap they set. Bad projects will often choose these exchanges when they have collected enough money from investors. Their plan is to list there at a low price and then escape the project and continue creating another project. After all, new founders are scammers, and nobody wants their brainchild listed on scam exchanges.

Honestly some coins just don't have any options but to list on these exchanges. I know exchanges themselves can be scammy and shady but at the same time they are very open arms about accepting new coins, well technically they are like that BECAUSE they are shady business' but at the same time if you are a new project and can't find any place to accept you, what are you going to do about it? So many are forced to list their coins there, many of them just accept a "donation" of certain amount and you can get listed there easily.

Every project owner would love to get listed at binance if they had the chance but only a few get to be that lucky, so I doubt it really matters to them after a while as long as they can be listed, even if it is on any exchange in this list.

Some new project does have some hard time to list their project on exchange site but the reason why this happens is because they don't seek the require help/advise because there are some good exchange site which their listing is free till now

Getting listed on Binance totally require no luck but providing the require form/legal information and listing money but the fund part is what hinders most of the coin getting list on Binance

Yes, this is very much important to do research before organizing ieo to raise funds. Fake volumes, fake users and fake data can damage fund raising goals. This is harmful for projects as well as investors.

I have a technology project (technology is very good), do not want to go to a small exchange, but the funds are limited, how to break through the dilemma.
The project's mainnet is online, and the technical solution is much better than Ethereum's sharding technology.
It's just that we are all technicians. We focus on technology and have limited promotion capabilities.

You are absolutely right all those projects which have conducted their IEO on these exchange totally flop and now almost maximum become a scam and the investor now don't trust on that project which IEO conducted or the projects which are conducting their IEO from these mentioned exchanges.

If you have a high-tech project, then the first thing you should do after forming a team and concept is promotion in the form of advertisements on several sites and on several forums to introduce your project to the general public and investors, because if you don't do something like that, don't expect your project to be known by others.

The problem is most devs are desperate on promoting their project and satisfying investors' need that is why they pay to get listed even in platforms with fake volume or without reputation. This why some projects end up too soon. They focus on promotions and getting their coins/tokens in the market without focusing on the product.

From my own point of view I think devs aren't stupid, they know the difference between top exchanges and low rated exchanges, if they decide to go for low exchange it means they have a plan and that plan ain't good at all since they know what will happen already

Indeed, if you want your project to succeed and you're determine to meet the expectations of the investors who trust your plan then the dev/team should choose the best exchange to ensure that their effort wont be wasted. Exchanges that has fake volume will only ruin everything and make the project fail. Its a proven outcome if the dev chose to list the coins/token to a small or shady exchanges.

I know about most the exchanges from those and had bad exprianced about them. They are full.of fake team, fake trading volume & list fake IEOs to fruad with nnocent investors. I wonder, still a lots of investors keep investing IEOs, launched by them. They should stay away from those

Most of these "developers" are also scammers who just seek to take those ICO/IEO money and disappear, so they are more than happy with whatever terms the exchanges have. You are right with your first point - good coins don't need to pay for listing, I'm sure Litecoin or Etherem didn't pay any exchange ever.

If you're a honest dev, then you shouldn't worry if your coin isn't listed on exchange, Bitcoin didn't have any exchanges for the first few years, people did p2p trading and it was okay. Focus on writing good code, everything else will come on its own if your code is really good.

I think that is because they don't have much information about the exchange, so they stay at those exchange. If they can search for more info, I don't think they will easily to get scam because they know how to choose the exchange. If we think that it is too difficult to find the exchange, maybe we don't need to join with them, and we need to find out the other exchange that can give us the chance to make money or we can join in the exchange that already recommends by other people.

I thought that Vindax not working anymore after they scammed traders and secondly, developers do not have to do something with exchange listing, developers code the blockchain project.  :)

I was surprised if Hotbit also entered the list of bad exchanges to do IEO, because I have not heard negative news about the exchange (maybe I missed the news). I also hope that new developers can read this thread so that they do not fail in doing IEO and not waste money to pay for exchanges that are full of crap

 I believed that every project DEVs knows best and better to list on top exchanges but mostly Devs are looking for a cheap fee kind of exchange and they don't even think what will be the outcome of their project if their tokens are listed on those  bad exchanges with bad reputation. Listing on top exchanges is cost very high and i think they can't afford to pay that's why they just choose the cheaper one.

I wonder if the growing list of complaints about this exchange by many people is growing so we need to keep ourselves away from all these exchanges. I think if a project has its own strengths and funds then they will never accept all these fake exchanges respectively they want to reach the maximum investors.

I believe that not all developers are victim to small exchanges without knowing how bad those exchanges are , I know that Coinmarketcap is misleading because that website rated bad exchanges as high quality exchanges but most developers know how bad p2pb2b exchange is, devs have bad plans for their project so it doesn't worry them.

They also send me email regarding some pumps which I don't know how it works but I do remember getting that type of emails before I just unsubscribed from their emails.

I feel so bad when I see yobit because it looked like a decent and strong exchange when it started and never had bugs issues or anything but they got into this ICO shit and now they have destroyed their portal, reputation and most important they have lost the trust of their users.

Their support you mentioned is a joke in all honestly because they don't care about your questions rather give delayed and vague replies.

Developers are coding the project, they are not responsible for token listing.  :) And secondly, I would like to mention that it is a pity that the most valuable thing on project is a token listing on a good and reputable exchange instead of developing something useful and worthy.  ::)

I still don't know why some projects decide to list on those shit exchanges. Many at times, I keep wondering what could have lead them to that kind of decision. If you really care about your project genuinely, you will not ruin your project by listing on those useless exchanges.

 The problem with developers is that they go for a cheap exchange to list their projects for IEO and at the end of the day such Exchanges do not have much to offer . 
I don't want to believe that those developers do not have the idea that such low rated Exchanges won't bring anything tangible to their projects but because they either do not have enough fund to list on a better exchange or do not meet the criteria for that they resort to what they can afford and end up losing .

The decision whether the coin will be listed or not depend on the team from the exchange site. If you were seeing it correctly and the team has no power when it comes to the exchange site. If they didn't meet the requirement and then they can only put their token into the crap exchange site.

This is just the truth but they won't listen to the advice instead they will come up with reasons to justify their actions. Truthfully, I used to imagine how a team will strive to build a platform then list the token on exchanges which can kill it, this then makes me understand that only team with bad motives do this. Good team always try exchanges which can help their course just as they (exchanges) has helped others. Lastly, i think the notorious of the exchanges are P2PB2B, Vindax, Latoken and Dobi.

well that is the bad side and when you already know that you should be able to avoid projects like that because if you still participate in it will make you lose money because you are trapped and unable to withdraw your assets.

I you have a great project, then you should list IEO on the top reputable exchange, otherwise people will think your project is not worth.
Listing on top exchange IEO means the dev is very serious to run the project, without playing with investor's money.

I don't know what positive contributions these platforms have on the space than robbing people of their Bitcoin. I know most of these exchanges do pump and dump but it is just too obvious on these exchanges. I will advice people to move their money out of these exchanges, just look at what happens at Coss.io recently 

When their first appearance I though they were an exchange that's supposedly giving a less known project a place for it to create their own IEO but turns out they just list all the trash coin regardless of the serioussness the project has and at that point i totally lost the respect.

I hope there will be a time that both the top aggregator like Coinmarketcap and Coingecko do not list exchanges with a lot of complaints and reports P2B2B and other exchanges P2B2B, continue listing bad projects like Liker who scammed investors and bounty hunters by changing their smart contract without prior announcement in any social media.
Once you see these exchanges in any project better think your option if you will still continue to support these projects.

Some projects advisors are the real culprits of dead projects sometimes, ive seen people have advice to bitwings for example, that they shouldn't use p2pb2b exchange to raise fund but they say they knew what's best for them and in the end they never raised half of their soft cap target, now they plan to use binance, something they should have done in the first place

I just heard that for first time. its really baffling if the advisors that supposed to bring to project into a success by giving meaningful advice turns out they are the one that gives such a bad advice. those low tier exchange although cheap not really worth it because they not only make supposedly success project to their demise but stain their reputation forever.

if they are short of funds, they should be better off talking about cooperation or ways to get a more appropriate exchange. it is related to the market type of their project. if choosing a small exchange as an excuse is a first step and planning for a bigger exchange then that is a lie.

if you know some advisors from a project sometimes they receive payments or bribes to make this project successful and cover up the ugliness of the ongoing project, maybe you can avoid the project with an advisory system like that.

It is always good to punish and let the OP decide wether to to join the forum again or not.

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Advisors or not, in the end, the project team and its leaders are the ones making the final decisions. If between Binance and p2pb2b exchange and they decided to list on p2pb2b then I worry about their coin future. There is no-brain when chose to list between big or small exchange.

registering a project on P2pb2b is a big mistake, I prefer probit over p2pb2b to buy IEO,
because p2pb2b is the worst exchange, all IEO projects there always have low value

If any dev list their coin on those exchange you mentioned then don't blame us even when the price of that coin rally or pump. Anything that comes from a bad and shady exchange will be met with doubtful eyes. If you want a nice community with lot of trust around your coin, stay away from shady exchanges with fake trading volume.

What would those developers do who are not having any ICO for their coin and are doing everything on their own, they aren't able to pay such high listing fees for the top exchanges and that's the reason that they apply for those exchanges and when they get enough of the funds then they can apply for the bigger exchanges, but the big problem here is how to differentiate between those developers who are actually willing to work and make that token a success and those who are in it just for the sake of profits.

I have heard many complain about these exchanges but as I always tell people before you do anything always check and ensure its all we. You can't be investing where you know investors are not there or where you know there are lots of issues arising. If your project is good publicity and marketing will help you get good investors but I will also say people should careful check if it's true or not. Do your own research.

In this case, investors and crypto enthusiasts are getting smarter so they are more careful in investing. Especially in IEO. The importance of choosing a trusted exchange with a good reputation is very important for the sustainability of the project. Choosing shitexchange is a blunder, it will only make investor confidence disappear. Preferably, this is really well-considered, strategizing with products to the maximum, establishing cooperation with a more profitable exchange, yes Probit is good enough in this case, or it could also be with Kucoin, it will definitely get bigger market attention.

I already experience it on p2pb2b exchanger, very bad at all (especially for new tokens). In the past, tokens were always listed in forkdelta or etherdelta, okex too, and they were all okay. but now, most dev bounty teams always slam into exchangers who don't have good liquidity and end up with no value at all.

Bad projects that's have no good future ends on bad exchange just like what OP said and I believe it, many who list their tokens on small exchanges plan to take advantage on investors and run away with their money and put the blame on either bounty hunters or the exchange

Devs need to understand the difference between good and bad exchanges but it's unbelievable that they don't know, I put myself in the same shoe thinking that if I work on a new project and I have the desire to make it a popular one won't I do some good research first? I think most developers willingly use those bad exchanges for selfish interest

If project is firstly listed on the exchange from this list when its dead project

I would agree with the OP's list, but still, Hotbit can be a solid exchange when it comes to liquidity, but people have been raising red flags about it for a long time, so it would probably be the best idea to completely avoid it, agree. On the other hand, for small unknown projects its almost mission impossible to get listed even on some mid-tier exchanges like Bittrex, Kucoin etc., so listing on previously mentioned shady/low liquidity exchanges is their only way to put their tokens on the market.

This is so true! If we do something, we always want our product to be the best. There is no reason for devs to choose such a bad exchange to list their token. That's just unreasonable. Even for us, an investor, we still do really careful researches before doing anything. It's just unbelievable when devs team choose a bad exchange just because they don't do enough research. Those coins listed on bad exchange are more likely to be a scammed one!

You have provided a lot of important information through it.I was surprised myself.Many good project scammers have been recognized.I myself have traded on 3/4 of the exchanges from here.Many people can use the boot system here which is really very frustrating for traders.

Let's stop Warning devs about bad exchanges because I belief they are fully aware of successful projects that use exchanges like binance or okex to raise fund using IEO, if any project dev still goes for p2pb2b or small exchanges it means they have other plans

p2p is the worst thing that ever exist in the crypto ecosystem. fork and etherdelta only operated when there was a real buyer and seller while p2p was fully operated with the bot that created so many fake buy and sell orders.

Bot trading is done by a lot of Exchanges to boost up their entire trading volume in order to rank up on the exchange rating websites this acquiring more users, in the end they are profited more by the users trading regularly on their exchanges even more than the fees paid by the IEOs to get listed on these exchanges. But still p2p is the worst of them all due to very less number of active users and most of the coins listed there are just a breath away from being dead, customer support is also not very good it is just like yobit which everyone used to diss and not trust with their money.