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according to this animation on shity cnn

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/world/coronavirus-global-death-toll-300000-intl/index.html

betweeen 22. january and 14 may which is today 301.937 people died in 113 days https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?d1=22&m1=01&y1=2020&d2=14&m2=05&y2=2020

thats

301'937/113 = 2'672 people per day

as a rate for a planet with a population around 7.8 billion,

this is a daily death rate of

2672/7800= 0.34 daily deaths per million

now considering that a nation like the usa has 200 traffic deaths per day with a population of 320.000 million people
thats

200/320 = 0.625 daily deaths per million

this means corona kills around half as many people per day as the traffic of an industrialised nation like the usa.

thats not much.

Coronavirus deaths ARE driving deaths. Since they said that you can call just about any death a Covid death, they are DRIVING the Covid deaths up... driving deaths.

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covid doesn't kill enough people to be relevant,

we are either in a panic for what could happen or we are panicing far to much over somthing insignificant

shows how self isolation curbed the spread before it outpaced traffic deaths.
your forgetting what self isolation done. and didnt factor that into your math

at an r0 of 2.6 and if self isolation was delayed by just a few more weeks. you would not be whistling the same tune

Frankly speaking (well, writing actually), I don't see how scary deaths from driving can get though. Even if it outpaces the rate of death from Coronavirus. Despite road accidents and mishaps, a lot of people still buy automobiles and learn driving daily. Commuters aren't scared a bit. But for Coronavirus, people are scared the heck of going out and want to stick to self isolation and social distancing just to curb it. There is Coronavirus fright in the land.

Clearly we need to ban cars until there are zero traffic deaths.

clearly there is enough emergency room bed and operating rooms for car accidents. but when there is not enough ICU beds with CPAP and ventilators. then the choices were to either get more capacity in january/february.. of get people to stop contracting the virus.

obviously they didnt rush to give hospitals extra capacity.

now imagine if you realised for every car that passes you. 30 will be fine 50 will have a mild 'fender bender' 20 will result in needing hospital treatment.
well then once you get to a few thousand road traffic victims a day in hospital, you start to realise that a driving restriction would need to be implemented. where the very minimum is to get people to stick to a '2 second rule' and avoid tailgating eachother
(2 second rule. look for a roadside landmark(sign/object) ahead of the car infront. when it passes car infront start counting. if you pass it before you count to 2 seconds. your too close)

though less people per million die due to car accidents than what covid could kill without isolation.. but cars are not free to drive at any speed... cars have speed restrictions, cars have seatbelts. drivers take DriversEd to learn how to be responsible. there are rules to not just bump into people and even signs telling drivers when to stop and go to avoid pumping into people.

so if you think cars are limitless utility. you obviously forgot all the safety precautions cars have.. because you have accepted it as the norm.

im still shocked that capitalist america hasnt tried cashing in on human/public liability insurance for bumping into people
i can see it already. track and trace used to sue/insurance claim against the person that bumped into you and passed you covid

Try curbing a car that is racing along at 60 mph. You could easily wind up with an accident and deaths.

Same with people going into isolation out of fear and panic.

When the REAL stats come out, we will find far more deaths from isolation curbing than if the car missed the curb altogether.

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 ;D

Many people can't understand this one simple truth.

Also, i don't know did you think about that, but it's very funny to see how government react to all this situation: there was a chance to avoid all of this, if EU, USA and other countries would ban air traffic with China. Like Taiwan has done (and yeah, in Taiwan there only 600 ill people for all the time). But government was affected by air company lobbies which didn't want to lose big profits (it's funny that now they losing much more day after day, heh).

So, for clever people it's obvious that government can be into two main conditions: Ignore everything and closing his eyes to problem or overreacting, creating some kind of soviet GULAG . "Great", yeah  :P

And more to it, people who died from corona virus are already having some chronic diseases so that actual deaths per million is much lesser than we calculated.
Hope every country will consider this idea. ;D

Naw. They should get rid of V-8s, and put jet engines on cars.

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Another thing to consider is the % of population that are exposed to this risk. Driving accidents would be a data from about 90% of world population and the population that are in virus prone areas are still below 50.

Driving deaths are simply part of total deaths. Driving deaths are far below deaths of people under medical care.

People are not entirely stupid. When they hear about a driving death, they slow down, and make sure their kids have their seat belts on. Driving deaths are as low as they are because people are being careful.

The only reason why government is interested in keeping people from dying is, the more the people, the more the workers. The more the workers, the more the paid workers. The more the paid workers, the more the income tax money.

If government really cared about people, they wouldn't have required that Covid positive people be sent to nursing homes where Covid negative people were living.

So we see. On the one hand government cares about keeping people alive so to get more money. On the other hand, government goes about euthanizing people to keep from losing money... nursing home patients.

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what badecker does not realise about nursing homes is that most deaths are due to them getting it but not being medically treated because they signed a 'do not intervene/resuscitate' order

thus a hospital sends them back to a nursing home for palliative care

this is actually one thing that badecker could have (if he caught up to current news) about how some nursing homes have actually re-reviewed their residents care plans and put people on these do not resuscitate/palliative care plans

also that US government did not plan anything in february/march to actually organise nursing homes to be more suitable.. (heck neither did UK really)

...
and last to note. people dont go to hospital healthy and request treatment to make them sick... they instead are sick first and go to hospital to improve the odds of recovery.
in short. more people would die without treatment.

hense the lockdown. to keep people at a distance from each other to reduce how many get sick so that hospitals dont get overwhelmed so that there is enough capacity to treat and improve the odds of recovery for those limited amount that do get sick.
without lockdown soo many more would get sick faster and overwhelm the hospitals leaving people untreated and dying in hoards of numbers due to not even being given oxygen. let alone any pain meds or other medications to help

Self isolation? That doesn't work at all!
We have this so called isolation in the EU and I watch it fail every single day.
Store clerks are forced to work in face masks, but it's impossible to do it 8 hours a day when the temperature is 25*C or more so they keep it half way down, they take it off whenever they can to get some air... If there really was a virus in the store they'd get sick sooner or later.
I can see people buying food in gloves, but then they take those gloves off and put products in their fridges and cupboards. How many people disinfect their kitchen cabinets and fridges every time they bring something new from the store? How many people disinfect their shoes, cars after coming back grom the store?
The truth is that most of us already got sick and recovered, but we don't know it because most people don't test themselves if they don't feel bad. The Covid statistics are artificially inflated.

It is not the same thing. It is like comparing Watermelons with apricots.
Driving deaths are not contagious. It is an incident that is caused by people's acts and that's all. On the other hand, you are getting infected by coronavirus without causing it.

The first thing franky1 doesn't realize is that there are no statistics outside of deaths. Cause of death is totally unknown because of orders from Dr. Brix and the CDC to call anything a Covid death that you feel like calling a Covid death, but to make sure that you have mostly Covid deaths listed in the final tally.

The second thing is a thing that franky1 knows, but tries to dodge. That is that when you stick Covid sick people into groups of people without Covid, some of the Covid negative people will catch Covid from the Covid positive people. And that is one of the big important points regarding nursing homes. Why not protect the nursing homes by quarantining them?

On the one hand franky1 says to quarantine yourselves. Then he says to do just the exact opposite of quarantining with the people who could most easily catch Covid and die from it... the people in nursing homes.

At heart franky1 is a murderer, just like the governors of states that ordered Covid sick into non-Covid sick nursing homes.

The most important part of all this is the mindset of franky1. He is on the side of murderers. So he shows himself to be a murderer at heart. I really need to bookmark this post, just to show people in the future that they are dealing with an intentional murderer when they are talking to franky1.

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but in relation to total economic impact, driving kills more young people, than corona that kills rather old people and black people for whatever reason.

The interesting part of this thread is the comparison.

When you get right down to it, driving kills very few... far less than are attributed to driving deaths, by the officials. Most so-called driving deaths are stupidity deaths, not driving deaths. Some people are stupid by not being attentive. Others are stupid by getting on roads where they aren't experienced enough to handle the traffic. Others have a back seat full of wild kids that distract them. A few ride bicycle on roads with heavy traffic. You can think of all kinds of driving circumstances where all that people had to do was be less stupid, and they wouldn't have died, or they wouldn't have killed some innocent bystander. These deaths are called driving deaths, but they really are stupidity deaths.

Same with Covid. There are a few young, healthy people who die from a disease. But most people who die (non-violently), die from lack of satisfying their nutritional needs or pushing themselves over the edge. Most people who have heart conditions, get cancer or diabetes, or have some other degenerative disease fall into this category. When their bodies are weak in the first place, and they get Covid, the officials say they died from Covid. But they didn't. They died from not keeping themselves prepared to fight off diseases.

So we see that the statistics are wrong. There are far fewer driving deaths than reported. And in a similar way there are far fewer Covid deaths than reported. There might be less than a hundredth of the reported deaths in either category. Rather, the deaths are from stupidity and lack of preparation.

People are stupid. They call a death a driving death, or a Covid death, because it's much easier to categorize it that way. And because they are stupid, they barely focus on the real cause of death in most cases. The real cause of death is sin in the world. And the only way to get out of death is to believe in Jesus-God, and the salvation He provides. Then, live a righteous life - a God-righteous life - and die, knowing that God will raise you to life again at the last day.


Just putting it into perspective a little.

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OP is idiotic idiot. According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ stats the current lethality of crownvirus is 14% Imagine the number of deaths if 14% of people die when they seat into car for first time.

Prove that Worldometers isn't a pack of lies.

Don't get me wrong. I don't know if it is or not. But I haven't see the proof that it isn't.

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firstly. when someone comes into hospital. coughing and has a fever.. but no bruises/crush injuries.. it sets the idea that its more likely pneumonia. not car accident. not diabetes.
when the do xrays and see the 'ground glass' opacity and not actual glass.. addds more evidence that its pneumonia.
then when they do swab samples and look at it under the microscope and see a virus and not car fuel/oil.
it all leads to a path of symptomology and diagnoses of a virus caused pneumonia and not car related.

and then it keeps going on, more symptoms. more tests.

doctors dont (youve been told multiple times) just throw a random diagnoses on someones toe tag when they die as the diagnoses has to be backed up by evidence, such as tests and scans and samples and treatments


you can actually look at individual state/region numbers and compare it to other sources. whether it be phone up your own local hospitals or get it from a local health authority. or mortitions.
take the stupid idea that CDC are bunching numbers together. yet. (as you have been told many times now) they actually have separate categories for all deaths, all flu like illness deaths and covid only deaths. where by the covid deaths on CDC matches the other sources. yet the other deaths and other flu like illness deaths are not disappearing. there is actually a measured INCREASE of deaths compared to the norm that follow the line of deaths by covid.

you been told this. and yet you keep back tracking back to old mythical conspiracy scripts..


anyway.. the ultimate test..
are you the fox news lover or the trump lover
fox news is now sidestepping to reveal the risks of HCQ. yet trump is telling people to ingest it like a daily supplement.
which way does your influencers push you now
the heath risks of HCQ or the stupid ass kiss of consumerism

Dr. Brix and the CDC aren't UK. You folks might do it differently over there. But over here, when they say to call it Covid even if you don't know, some doctors will do this, and some won't. So, they have destroyed the truth in the numbers right there.

Until someone gets with every doctor, and finds out why the doctor pronounced cause of death as he did, we'll never know the true death count for Covid.

Or do you have a magic wand or crystal ball?

Nobody can actually look at individual state/region numbers. Why not? Unless he was present at all the deaths, he can't even be certain of the deaths.

Suppose someone is driving with 5 passengers in the car. He coughs. He loses control. The car crashes. The driver and 4 passengers die. The fifth passenger is the one who relates the story. Since the driver coughed, all 5 deaths are called Covid deaths, Dr. Brix would call it that way, and the CDC would strongly suggest that it be so called.

With all the lying going on by those in government, none of us should be trusting any government statistics without proof.

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Man, I had one of those fancy scans, ground glass opacities in my lungs, and they didn't call it Covid. I'd hate to be somewhere where a cough means you are counted in the Covid statistics. If you like the UK's style of data gathering, why don't you analyze the covid situation over there instead? Or find a government that has standards of disease classification you like, and just look at their data.

CDC advises filling in a death certificate by listing the actual symptoms and include details of tests and scans.

doctors dont just put their hand into a hat and luckydip pic a cause and write it down. they actually have to provide detail and evidence.

You can find CDC paperwork that says all kinds of stuff, much of it contradictory.

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it is not contradictory.
you influencers you watch on youtube are the contradictors

in april it was ~1.5%

also its only 3 months that this virus has been around.
so comparing car accidents yearly to something that was 1 month wild and then 2 months restricted. shows how worse it could have been if it was allowed to spread wild

The death can be very high in COVID if there is no prevention, on driving you can prevent yourself from dying but not so on COVID, because there is spread of virus and it could be tens of thousands a day if we are reckless in dealing with it, it don't have to reach a high number for us to be careful on how to treat COVID it's dangerous and can kill anyone.

So - whether your figures are accurate or not - you're saying that for anything that causes fewer deaths than driving, we should just ignore it as it's not important?
That's not a compelling argument as it completely ignores the effects of attempts at prevention and management. As franky1 pointed out, you are measuring "COVID-19 with precautions taken" deaths, and saying it's low so we don't need to take precautions.

Kind of like saying deaths are really low for people who jump out of a plane wearing a parachute, therefore parachutes are a waste of money, let's all jump out of a plane without one.

There are many differences between comparing driving deaths and calculating coronavirus deaths. Driving It's all up to us how we drive Many times we know the truth and drive the wrong way and cause our own accident but in the case of coronavirus it is completely different it is natural and there is no human hand here. We can stop driving if we want to, but we can't find any way to control the virus. It has shaken the whole world.

back in march. the scripts were that it was not as bad as driving.. because back in march it was still new to america. and not many died YET

but even with restrictions introduced in march to reduce the risk .. more still died
yep 'more than 38,000 die on road accidents in the US
meaning that with this weeks near 100k us covid deaths. covid has become twice as bad as driving. approaching 3times

and thats a massive change for only ~3 months since the first case
yep over twice as bad. but in only a quarter of the time. and thats numbers even with restrictions.

This is an escalation of the situation.
Ask yourself a question. How many people die every year from the flu virus? And the elderly population dies, as much from it. He is also contagious. But there is no this mass hysteria.
And how many cancer patients? many times more. So this is all someone needs

take the CDC provisional numbers that have been mentioned many times in covid topics in this forum and also google can show you too

influenza kills only a few hundred people a week.
pneumonia kills only ~5k people a week.

take the wek of 4/4/2020
covid deaths were not 14k (meaning its not misleading people by combining any flu like illness/respiratory disease) as covid. but shows that its 9k covid... ~5k  other flus/non covid pneumonias

yep people are still tested and people still die due to other stuff.
but yes in the first week of april death counts were 2x higher than normal respiratory/flu stuff
remember that it takes time for people to die so it is early numbers from those getting it from the start of US lockdown in march, finaly surcumbing to the their illness in early april
the numbers for the following weeks 11th of april and 18th of april were even higher. and again show that the other flu and other pneumonia were about the same..
with ~15k covid and separately the same ~4-5k other flu/respiratory stuff

yes obviously lockdown restriction movement and reduced risk of passing the virus. which means by mid to late apil deaths due to covid flattened off and started to go down.
not because of any strange math or mis information of death certificates. but because less people were spreading it in april so less deaths.

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but now imagine how much worse things would be without lockdown

But nobody knows about the death count accuracy in any way. Why not? Doctors and coroners often list deaths according to their best guess.

If a real examination was done, we would find that all of Covid, and flu and pneumonia could really be lumped into one. Why? Because hundreds of thousands of viruses are present in all people all the time.

Regarding viruses and death, people die from a nutritional imbalance that allows them to be affected by all kinds of things. The whole basic understanding of modern medicine is faulty to a great extent.

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idiot above thinks this is the 1600 medicine man era.
doesnt realise that dna/rna identification is a real thing.
doent realise blood tests, scans, xrays and microscopes exist

idiot has been sold a job offer of a supplement salesmen under the pretence he can get rich by being told that all doctors also just sell supplements themselves(they did .. in 1600)

idiot is so out of date and so out of touch with reality. it still amazes me he thinks that the internet is not just some paper mystery that should exist in ghost stories.
how can he understand the basics of internet while denying science exists

DNA/RNA identification is a real thing. Also, the lack of ability of all the people to do DNA/RNA identification is a real thing. In fact, only a small percentage of the people can do DNA/RNA identification. Most of the people don't even understand DNA/RNA at all, many of them having not even heard of it.

What's the point of expressing the ignorance of the people? The point is that the only thing that is affecting the people is the talk of the few who know how to do DNA/RNA identification. Nobody knows if they are doing the identification correctly, or if they are even telling the truth about the things that they have identified.

So, the DNA/RNA identification isn't the important focus. Rather, the focus should be on the truth of the identification, and the truth regarding how the identification all fits together. If a person has absolutely one little Covid virus, and it is found and identified, oh-drat. Because there are hundreds of thousands of other viruses that are all working together in a person's body, changing in their make-up as they swap parts of other RNA of themselves, as well as, DNA/RNA of their host (the person).

The point isn't the identification of DNA or RNA. The point is being able to track what it is doing in the whole system. And such tracking is something nobody has a handle on, and very few even have a hint about. Why? Because it's so complex that nobody can track it.

So, what you get is a scenario like this. There are 4 people in the car. The driver has tested positive for Covid. The other 3 have tested negative. The driver had way too much to drink. But the group didn't designate a driver that was sober. The drunk driver crashes the car and kills them all. Since he was Covid positive, he is called a Covid death (as recommended by the CDC). They even blame his crash on Covid, so that the other 3 can be called Covid deaths because they were passengers in Covid caused accident.

And that is the way they are making the pandemic grow.

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Now Cuomo is trying to make excuses for euthanizing nursing home residents.


Cuomo claims nursing home outbreaks spread by workers, not his directive that FORCED facilities to bring in more coronavirus patients (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-07-07-nursing-home-outbreaks-spread-by-workers-says-cuomo.html)




Bonus: "America cannot survive a SECOND WAVE of LOCKDOWNS."

America cannot survive a SECOND WAVE of LOCKDOWNS
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https://www.brighteon.com/c94a638a-69a5-4a96-a855-89a50606691c (https://www.brighteon.com/c94a638a-69a5-4a96-a855-89a50606691c)


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Coronavirus infection increases the risk of death in some people the elderly the sick and men.

The first large-scale analysis of data from 44,000 infected people in China found that the death toll from the virus was 10 times higher among middle-aged people than among middle-aged people. Many people die every day in road accidents But the coronavirus is more deadly than a road accident.

Don't you know that the statistics on coronavirus mortality is overstated by tens or even hundreds of times, for example in the USA? It's human greed that's to blame. People in the pursuit of profit are willing to overestimate those statistics.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

0.09% according to this website

I have heard that in hospitals all the deaths are entered in the section of covid19 deaths only to increase the number of deaths because of covid19. There is a global agenda behind this virus which common man is not able to understand. There are cases where patients died because of heart attacks or cancer but authorities claimed them to have died because of corona.

That's right.

When healthy, non sick people go to hospitals and contact Covid-sick people, they get the disease in quantity. The result is that they might get symptoms before their immune systems develop natural antidotes to Covid.

The thing to do is to get together with as many different, not-sick people as possible. This way, if you get a touch of Covid, your body can fight it off, just like it fights all kinds of other diseases off.

Search on the best nutrients to take. And eat healthy. Get plenty of rest, and sufficient exercise. This is the best thing that has been keeping us well for thousands of years.

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"Last updated: May 14, 22:00 GMT"

and

"Under 65-year-old (0.09% CMR to date)"

CMR is an estimate of what it could end up being based on limited data (New York at the time only) and some assumptions.

Isn't it sitting at something like 1000 a day dieing from it? or it was and now it's back to that? seems like it's a tad more than that 200/day car thingy.

The link makes a distinction that no one knows the true death rate of coronavirus because we don't know the true number of total cases. Most scientific papers published on this give numbers that are below 1 percent as the true fatality rate, but .09% seems extremely low.

why should analyze what% of the number of deaths from the corona virus, why not talk about why the corona virus is so deadly and contagious so quickly? whatever the% of deaths due to the corona virus, it is a threat to human life that could be saved. because all hope that every pademic can be overcome and not to the expense of many humans, but instead many people are helped.

Corona virus is very special compared to the pandemic that has happened, because of the transmission that is very fast and difficult to anticipate correctly. the last reportedly transmission was no longer from the Droplet that could be anticipated by keeping a distance, but this was reportedly able to from the Airbone because the was carried.
means that if the air circulation at home or in the room is not well channeled, it can be certain that transmission will occur. it's terrible if that's true.

Coronavirus is a family of viruses that include the common cold, SARS, MERS, Civud-19, and others.

The pandemic is mistakes by the medical that are killing off people in hospitals with ventilators when they should have only received oxygen. More of the pandemic is mistakes by the government of making people lockdown and shutdown, so that they don't get herd immunity from Covid-19 like they did from SARS and MERS and the common cold.

The pandemic will get worse from the government mistakes as the economies of the world crumble. We haven't begun to see the pandemic deaths from the failing economy. Car deaths will ultimately become a blip on the screen when compared with the coming pandemic deaths.

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How many dead are acceptable to you in order for the population to get that herd immunity you seem to think is a good idea as opposed to doing everything possible to reduce the death count until people can get vaccinated? I don't care about your feelings about vaccinations, the vast majority are going to do it so you're opinion on the matter is immaterial. But I'd really like to know how many dead is acceptable to you.

Certain people were saying at the start everyone should do what Sweden was doing and not close things down etc.... Now..

"Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark."

Yep. Good plan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html

Except that nobody knows what the numbers are. Why not? Because world leaders, especially the CDC, have told medical people to count as many deaths as possible, Covid deaths, whether or not they were even connected to Covid. Further, even if they had the Covid virus in them, if they died from something else, they were supposed to have their cause of death listed as Covid.

The numbers are BS. This is shown by both Italy and the US revising their numbers down when too many people were seeing that many of the old people who died, act5ually died of something other than Covid. also, many people who were ventilated died, because it wasn't found until much later that ventilators were not the way to supply oxygen. If they had been given simple oxygen, they would have lived. Murder by medical ignorance. But not Covid deaths, even though they were included as such.

When you look at the real numbers, they are barely any more than a rough flu season. SARS and MERS and the 2017 flu season were worse. The numbers are being manipulated to make an excuse for an unnecessary pandemic.

To understand this and a whole lot more, you need to see what professionals from around the world are saying. If you don't believe the experts, you are turning it into a religion for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos

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I asked you a question. Since you think just letting it run rampant so people gain natural immunity, how many dead are acceptable to you? How many of your friends and family are you willing to watch die.

Sorry. I thought you were simply talking. Does anybody have an acceptable number? You should at least answer the question first.

Herd immunity is the cure. Without standard herd immunity, there will be more deaths. The lockdowns are setting us up for less herd immunity. Then the medicine/vaccine jokers will come in with their medicine which will destroy our health and kill more of us than if they had left us alone.

Why do you think that I added the link? The link is to videos that show what is really going on. I don't expect that you will watch the hours and hours of videos in the next ten minutes. But until you see the rest of the story in those videos, you are missing what is happening.

The vaccine people have been trying to make a working vaccine for Coronavirus (the common cold) for decades. They haven't been able to do it. Why would anybody think that they will make and test one for safety, all of a sudden, in the next year and a half?

Yet we have hydroxychloroquine which is safe, and has been used for more than half a century, and Dr. Fauci did successful tests on back in 2003, and all of a sudden he says that it is unsafe to use.

You are missing it. If you don't watch at least some of those videos to see what the professionals are saying, you have your blinders on.

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