corona virus death count compared with driving deaths

[BADecker]

OP is idiotic idiot. According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ stats the current lethality of crownvirus is 14% Imagine the number of deaths if 14% of people die when they seat into car for first time.

Prove that Worldometers isn't a pack of lies.

Don't get me wrong. I don't know if it is or not. But I haven't see the proof that it isn't.

 

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[franky1]

People are stupid. They call a death a driving death, or a Covid death, because it's much easier to categorize it that way. And because they are stupid, they barely focus on the real cause of death in most cases. The real cause of death is sin in the world. And the only way to get out of death is to believe in Jesus-God, and the salvation He provides. Then, live a righteous life - a God-righteous life - and die, knowing that God will raise you to life again at the last day.

firstly. when someone comes into hospital. coughing and has a fever.. but no bruises/crush injuries.. it sets the idea that its more likely pneumonia. not car accident. not diabetes.
when the do xrays and see the 'ground glass' opacity and not actual glass.. addds more evidence that its pneumonia.
then when they do swab samples and look at it under the microscope and see a virus and not car fuel/oil.
it all leads to a path of symptomology and diagnoses of a virus caused pneumonia and not car related.

and then it keeps going on, more symptoms. more tests.

doctors dont (youve been told multiple times) just throw a random diagnoses on someones toe tag when they die as the diagnoses has to be backed up by evidence, such as tests and scans and samples and treatments

Prove that Worldometers isn't a pack of lies.
Don't get me wrong. I don't know if it is or not. But I haven't see the proof that it isn't.

you can actually look at individual state/region numbers and compare it to other sources. whether it be phone up your own local hospitals or get it from a local health authority. or mortitions.
take the stupid idea that CDC are bunching numbers together. yet. (as you have been told many times now) they actually have separate categories for all deaths, all flu like illness deaths and covid only deaths. where by the covid deaths on CDC matches the other sources. yet the other deaths and other flu like illness deaths are not disappearing. there is actually a measured INCREASE of deaths compared to the norm that follow the line of deaths by covid.

you been told this. and yet you keep back tracking back to old mythical conspiracy scripts..


anyway.. the ultimate test..
are you the fox news lover or the trump lover
fox news is now sidestepping to reveal the risks of HCQ. yet trump is telling people to ingest it like a daily supplement.
which way does your influencers push you now
the heath risks of HCQ or the stupid ass kiss of consumerism

[BADecker]

People are stupid. They call a death a driving death, or a Covid death, because it's much easier to categorize it that way. And because they are stupid, they barely focus on the real cause of death in most cases. The real cause of death is sin in the world. And the only way to get out of death is to believe in Jesus-God, and the salvation He provides. Then, live a righteous life - a God-righteous life - and die, knowing that God will raise you to life again at the last day.

firstly. when someone comes into hospital. coughing and has a fever.. but no bruises/crush injuries.. it sets the idea that its more likely pneumonia. not car accident. not diabetes.
when the do xrays and see the 'ground glass' opacity and not actual glass.. addds more evidence that its pneumonia.
then when they do swab samples and look at it under the microscope and see a virus and not car fuel/oil.
it all leads to a path of symptomology and diagnoses of a virus caused pneumonia and not car related.

and then it keeps going on, more symptoms. more tests.

doctors dont (youve been told multiple times) just throw a random diagnoses on someones toe tag when they die as the diagnoses has to be backed up by evidence, such as tests and scans and samples and treatments

Prove that Worldometers isn't a pack of lies.
Don't get me wrong. I don't know if it is or not. But I haven't see the proof that it isn't.

you can actually look at individual state/region numbers and compare it to other sources. whether it be phone up your own local hospitals or get it from a local health authority. or mortitions.
take the stupid idea that CDC are bunching numbers together. yet. (as you have been told many times now) they actually have separate categories for all deaths, all flu like illness deaths and covid only deaths. where by the covid deaths on CDC matches the other sources. yet the other deaths and other flu like illness deaths are not disappearing. there is actually a measured INCREASE of deaths compared to the norm that follow the line of deaths by covid.

you been told this. and yet you keep back tracking back to old mythical conspiracy scripts..


anyway.. the ultimate test..
are you the fox news lover or the trump lover
fox news is now sidestepping to reveal the risks of HCQ. yet trump is telling people to ingest it like a daily supplement.
which way does your influencers push you now
the heath risks of HCQ or the stupid ass kiss of consumerism

Dr. Brix and the CDC aren't UK. You folks might do it differently over there. But over here, when they say to call it Covid even if you don't know, some doctors will do this, and some won't. So, they have destroyed the truth in the numbers right there.

Until someone gets with every doctor, and finds out why the doctor pronounced cause of death as he did, we'll never know the true death count for Covid.

Or do you have a magic wand or crystal ball?

Nobody can actually look at individual state/region numbers. Why not? Unless he was present at all the deaths, he can't even be certain of the deaths.

Suppose someone is driving with 5 passengers in the car. He coughs. He loses control. The car crashes. The driver and 4 passengers die. The fifth passenger is the one who relates the story. Since the driver coughed, all 5 deaths are called Covid deaths, Dr. Brix would call it that way, and the CDC would strongly suggest that it be so called.

With all the lying going on by those in government, none of us should be trusting any government statistics without proof.

[SaltySpitoon]

Dr. Brix and the CDC aren't UK. You folks might do it differently over there. But over here, when they say to call it Covid even if you don't know, some doctors will do this, and some won't. So, they have destroyed the truth in the numbers right there.

Until someone gets with every doctor, and finds out why the doctor pronounced cause of death as he did, we'll never know the true death count for Covid.

Or do you have a magic wand or crystal ball?

Nobody can actually look at individual state/region numbers. Why not? Unless he was present at all the deaths, he can't even be certain of the deaths.

Suppose someone is driving with 5 passengers in the car. He coughs. He loses control. The car crashes. The driver and 4 passengers die. The fifth passenger is the one who relates the story. Since the driver coughed, all 5 deaths are called Covid deaths, Dr. Brix would call it that way, and the CDC would strongly suggest that it be so called.

With all the lying going on by those in government, none of us should be trusting any government statistics without proof.

Man, I had one of those fancy scans, ground glass opacities in my lungs, and they didn't call it Covid. I'd hate to be somewhere where a cough means you are counted in the Covid statistics. If you like the UK's style of data gathering, why don't you analyze the covid situation over there instead? Or find a government that has standards of disease classification you like, and just look at their data.

[franky1]

CDC advises filling in a death certificate by listing the actual symptoms and include details of tests and scans.

doctors dont just put their hand into a hat and luckydip pic a cause and write it down. they actually have to provide detail and evidence.

[BADecker]

You can find CDC paperwork that says all kinds of stuff, much of it contradictory.

[franky1]

You can find CDC paperwork that says all kinds of stuff, much of it contradictory.

it is not contradictory.
you influencers you watch on youtube are the contradictors

[franky1]

Another thing to consider is the % of population that are exposed to this risk. Driving accidents would be a data from about 90% of world population and the population that are in virus prone areas are still below 50.
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in april it was ~1.5%

also its only 3 months that this virus has been around.
so comparing car accidents yearly to something that was 1 month wild and then 2 months restricted. shows how worse it could have been if it was allowed to spread wild

[fortunecrypto]

The death can be very high in COVID if there is no prevention, on driving you can prevent yourself from dying but not so on COVID, because there is spread of virus and it could be tens of thousands a day if we are reckless in dealing with it, it don't have to reach a high number for us to be careful on how to treat COVID it's dangerous and can kill anyone.

[Cnut237]

corona kills around half as many people per day as the traffic of an industrialised nation like the usa.
thats not much.

covid doesn't kill enough people to be relevant,

So - whether your figures are accurate or not - you're saying that for anything that causes fewer deaths than driving, we should just ignore it as it's not important?
That's not a compelling argument as it completely ignores the effects of attempts at prevention and management. As franky1 pointed out, you are measuring "COVID-19 with precautions taken" deaths, and saying it's low so we don't need to take precautions.

Kind of like saying deaths are really low for people who jump out of a plane wearing a parachute, therefore parachutes are a waste of money, let's all jump out of a plane without one.

[Subbir]

There are many differences between comparing driving deaths and calculating coronavirus deaths. Driving It's all up to us how we drive Many times we know the truth and drive the wrong way and cause our own accident but in the case of coronavirus it is completely different it is natural and there is no human hand here. We can stop driving if we want to, but we can't find any way to control the virus. It has shaken the whole world.

[franky1]

back in march. the scripts were that it was not as bad as driving.. because back in march it was still new to america. and not many died YET

but even with restrictions introduced in march to reduce the risk .. more still died
yep 'more than 38,000 die on road accidents in the US
meaning that with this weeks near 100k us covid deaths. covid has become twice as bad as driving. approaching 3times

and thats a massive change for only ~3 months since the first case
yep over twice as bad. but in only a quarter of the time. and thats numbers even with restrictions.

[PavelMed]

This is an escalation of the situation.
Ask yourself a question. How many people die every year from the flu virus? And the elderly population dies, as much from it. He is also contagious. But there is no this mass hysteria.
And how many cancer patients? many times more. So this is all someone needs

[franky1]

This is an escalation of the situation.
Ask yourself a question. How many people die every year from the flu virus? And the elderly population dies, as much from it. He is also contagious. But there is no this mass hysteria.
And how many cancer patients? many times more. So this is all someone needs

take the CDC provisional numbers that have been mentioned many times in covid topics in this forum and also google can show you too

influenza kills only a few hundred people a week.
pneumonia kills only ~5k people a week.

take the wek of 4/4/2020
covid deaths were not 14k (meaning its not misleading people by combining any flu like illness/respiratory disease) as covid. but shows that its 9k covid... ~5k  other flus/non covid pneumonias

yep people are still tested and people still die due to other stuff.
but yes in the first week of april death counts were 2x higher than normal respiratory/flu stuff
remember that it takes time for people to die so it is early numbers from those getting it from the start of US lockdown in march, finaly surcumbing to the their illness in early april
the numbers for the following weeks 11th of april and 18th of april were even higher. and again show that the other flu and other pneumonia were about the same..
with ~15k covid and separately the same ~4-5k other flu/respiratory stuff

yes obviously lockdown restriction movement and reduced risk of passing the virus. which means by mid to late apil deaths due to covid flattened off and started to go down.
not because of any strange math or mis information of death certificates. but because less people were spreading it in april so less deaths.

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but now imagine how much worse things would be without lockdown

[BADecker]

This is an escalation of the situation.
Ask yourself a question. How many people die every year from the flu virus? And the elderly population dies, as much from it. He is also contagious. But there is no this mass hysteria.
And how many cancer patients? many times more. So this is all someone needs

take the CDC provisional numbers that have been mentioned many times in covid topics in this forum and also google can show you too

influenza kills only a few hundred people a week.
pneumonia kills only ~5k people a week.

take the wek of 4/4/2020
covid deaths were not 14k (meaning its not misleading people by combining any flu like illness/respiratory disease) as covid. but shows that its 9k covid... ~5k  other flus/non covid pneumonias

yep people are still tested and people still die due to other stuff.
but yes in the first week of april death counts were 2x higher than normal respiratory/flu stuff
remember that it takes time for people to die so it is early numbers from those getting it from the start of US lockdown in march, finaly surcumbing to the their illness in early april
the numbers for the following weeks 11th of april and 18th of april were even higher. and again show that the other flu and other pneumonia were about the same..
with ~15k covid and separately the same ~4-5k other flu/respiratory stuff

yes obviously lockdown restriction movement and reduced risk of passing the virus. which means by mid to late apil deaths due to covid flattened off and started to go down.
not because of any strange math or mis information of death certificates. but because less people were spreading it in april so less deaths.

..
but now imagine how much worse things would be without lockdown

But nobody knows about the death count accuracy in any way. Why not? Doctors and coroners often list deaths according to their best guess.

If a real examination was done, we would find that all of Covid, and flu and pneumonia could really be lumped into one. Why? Because hundreds of thousands of viruses are present in all people all the time.

Regarding viruses and death, people die from a nutritional imbalance that allows them to be affected by all kinds of things. The whole basic understanding of modern medicine is faulty to a great extent.

[franky1]

idiot above thinks this is the 1600 medicine man era.
doesnt realise that dna/rna identification is a real thing.
doent realise blood tests, scans, xrays and microscopes exist

idiot has been sold a job offer of a supplement salesmen under the pretence he can get rich by being told that all doctors also just sell supplements themselves(they did .. in 1600)

idiot is so out of date and so out of touch with reality. it still amazes me he thinks that the internet is not just some paper mystery that should exist in ghost stories.
how can he understand the basics of internet while denying science exists

[BADecker]

idiot above thinks this is the 1600 medicine man era.
doesnt realise that dna/rna identification is a real thing.
doent realise blood tests, scans, xrays and microscopes exist

idiot has been sold a job offer of a supplement salesmen under the pretence he can get rich by being told that all doctors also just sell supplements themselves(they did .. in 1600)

idiot is so out of date and so out of touch with reality. it still amazes me he thinks that the internet is not just some paper mystery that should exist in ghost stories.
how can he understand the basics of internet while denying science exists

DNA/RNA identification is a real thing. Also, the lack of ability of all the people to do DNA/RNA identification is a real thing. In fact, only a small percentage of the people can do DNA/RNA identification. Most of the people don't even understand DNA/RNA at all, many of them having not even heard of it.

What's the point of expressing the ignorance of the people? The point is that the only thing that is affecting the people is the talk of the few who know how to do DNA/RNA identification. Nobody knows if they are doing the identification correctly, or if they are even telling the truth about the things that they have identified.

So, the DNA/RNA identification isn't the important focus. Rather, the focus should be on the truth of the identification, and the truth regarding how the identification all fits together. If a person has absolutely one little Covid virus, and it is found and identified, oh-drat. Because there are hundreds of thousands of other viruses that are all working together in a person's body, changing in their make-up as they swap parts of other RNA of themselves, as well as, DNA/RNA of their host (the person).

The point isn't the identification of DNA or RNA. The point is being able to track what it is doing in the whole system. And such tracking is something nobody has a handle on, and very few even have a hint about. Why? Because it's so complex that nobody can track it.

So, what you get is a scenario like this. There are 4 people in the car. The driver has tested positive for Covid. The other 3 have tested negative. The driver had way too much to drink. But the group didn't designate a driver that was sober. The drunk driver crashes the car and kills them all. Since he was Covid positive, he is called a Covid death (as recommended by the CDC). They even blame his crash on Covid, so that the other 3 can be called Covid deaths because they were passengers in Covid caused accident.

And that is the way they are making the pandemic grow.

[BADecker]

Now Cuomo is trying to make excuses for euthanizing nursing home residents.


Cuomo claims nursing home outbreaks spread by workers, not his directive that FORCED facilities to bring in more coronavirus patients

The Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak in New York – the worst statewide outbreak in the United States – reportedly spread around nursing homes because of infected workers who passed on the virus among residents and fellow workers. This is according to a new report released on Monday by state health officials.

The report contradicts initial claims made by nursing homes and the families of coronavirus patients that a March 25 directive from state authorities requiring nursing homes to accept or readmit COVID-19 patients is what facilitated the outbreak in New York.

During the height of the outbreak, New York hospitals released over 6,300 recovering coronavirus patients into nursing home facilities across the state. The move was heavily criticized, and state authorities scrapped it by mid-May.

State authorities revealed that infections among nursing home employees were aligned with infection rates in highly impacted areas. A nursing home’s quality did not factor into whether or not it would experience a high number of coronavirus-related fatalities. Self-reported data from the nursing homes also shows that around a quarter of the state’s 158,000 nursing home workers tested positive for COVID-19 between March and early June.

As of press time, New York has 402,338 cases of COVID-19, including 31,911 deaths. (Related: New York, New Jersey and Connecticut to impose quarantine on travelers from states with big coronavirus outbreaks.)

Listen to this episode of the Health Ranger Report, a podcast by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, as he talks about how America will not be able to survive a second wave of lockdowns that may be imposed due to the impending second wave of coronavirus infections.

New York officials deny any criticism, calling it “ugly politics”

In a press conference on Monday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo went on the offensive, saying the idea that his directive helped spread the virus through the state was a “political conspiracy theory.” Cuomo has argued for weeks that infected nursing home workers, not released COVID-19 patients, were responsible for spreading the coronavirus, comparing it to “fire through dry grass.”

Bonus: "America cannot survive a SECOND WAVE of LOCKDOWNS."

America cannot survive a SECOND WAVE of LOCKDOWNS

https://www.brighteon.com/c94a638a-69a5-4a96-a855-89a50606691c

[Negotiation]

Coronavirus infection increases the risk of death in some people the elderly the sick and men.

The first large-scale analysis of data from 44,000 infected people in China found that the death toll from the virus was 10 times higher among middle-aged people than among middle-aged people. Many people die every day in road accidents But the coronavirus is more deadly than a road accident.

[madnessteat]

~snip~

Don't you know that the statistics on coronavirus mortality is overstated by tens or even hundreds of times, for example in the USA? It's human greed that's to blame. People in the pursuit of profit are willing to overestimate those statistics.