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what's your take on that?

Ofcourse, killing babies in the womb for your sake is selfish and immoral. The babies are living beings, aborting them should be considered murder and possibly child sacrifice.
Many years ago abortion was considered evil but it's now tolerated. If you speak against it, you could be "attack" by even those in thesame religion group.
There should be good alternatives to abortion.

i agree with you on that

This is inhumane and must be stop,i am not supporting any of this kind because this is life that we are killing,babies has no mistake why they suffer?
also why there are countries that allowing this animal act?this shows no mercy and not giving future for the little ones.

and besides the one who must suffer is the parents that only wants to have fun but not for responsibilities .

Why would it be banned, people should have that right to decide if they want to have a baby or not, there are some circumstances that may warrant you to get pregnant and last thing on your mind will be having the child

People have different reasons for aborting their babies, mostly it will be their family economic condition which maybe very low so they cannot take care of a baby in this case I will say its completely okay because if they give born the baby have to lead a really bad life.

It is not up to people to decide death of soul. Life of embryo is same as life of an adult human being. Every soul has right to live.
First you have to think why people planned to abortion. They might hide their sin. Or they think they cannot feed the child. But God give sustinence to your child and you. You are not the owner of your sustenance. You have no power over what God has gifted you.

I'm pro-choice.
Sometimes it's crueler to raise a baby in certain situations rather than to end it before it even began

I'm pro-choice but seeing as some people here seem to be anti-choice (pro-life lol)

Who is gonna enforce this abortion ban? The same governments we call incompetent? We want them out of monetary policy but want to give them a free-pass to human bodies?  ::)

Nowadays abortion is like a usual thing if you have an unplanned pregnancy, its not a big deal for others because its just a fetus and still not given birth to this world so its fine to abort it.

However I believe its a blessing regardless of any circumstances on why you end up in that situation.

Nevertheless we have different belief on this matter and has reason why you chose to be on that side.

There's been one for 200,000 years - childbirth.  :)

Just out of curiosity, what if your wife was being raped, what if she became pregnant from this traumatic experience, do you think she would want to have a 9 months pregnancy with the baby of her rapist?  what about you, would you want your wife to go through it?

Abortion shouldn't be banned, it could be "controlled", but it should at least be "discussed".
Not all societies are on the same page on the topic.

Abortion is the killing of a person while he is in a defenseless state. People were told that this is normal, but it is a terrible crime! Never do that.

being raised a catholic, i think it is still immoral. but at the same time, you could put in on a case to case basis. but at the end of the day i would have to say no if you are going to let me vote.

I think abortion should be a woman's desition, they will be the ones who have to deal with the pregnancy. There are some scenarios where abortion is a good option:

If the woman was violated why it has to be illegal to abort?

If a young couple makes a mistake and they are not ready to have a baby, then they should have the option too.

Thanks for your understanding. Many people has no proper knowledge. They don't know killing is a crime whether in Adult or infant. I know lot of people don't believe in religion. Unfortunately killing is spreading all over the world. Human life matter whether black or white.

People are becoming animals as days goes by,there are some news that in other countries fetus has been serve in table as food(i don't know if this is true} and also abortion is legal in some part of the world,when those sex partners if they forgot to wear condoms or to take their pills,the supposed to be children will suffer and need to die.

As much as I want, I'm pro-life.

But it's hard to accept the reality that even they want to raise the baby, they don't have the capacity and it happened because of teenage pregnancy. They'll depend on their parents and no urgency to work for what they've done.

Thinking that you have to end an infant's life, I can't take it.  :-\

They should be given a chance to live and as for the parents they have to prove us wrong that they can do raise well their child.

This is my opinion guys but I also understand others' thoughts regarding the opposite reaction and their take on this issue.

I am against to abortion and i never want to see people doing such thing. Some countries legalized it but i don't like them for doing so.

You have a point, We don't care it's their own choice and decision. I know a lot of teenager use abortion because they are not ready yet beings young parent. And they don't want to take their responsibility on what they have done in the first place.

People caught in the practice of abortion have been arrested and jailed. The police still chase the other, which they believe the practice still going on in many places. But it is hard to ban them because if the police did that to one person, there would be another person who will do abortion. That cycle will continue, and it will happen over and over. We can only prevent by educating our kids not to do something that can make them getting trouble in their life.

I would not have agreed more on the topic. I often wonder why engage in an unprotected sex when you know quite well you aren't ready for whatsoever consequence that may arise afterwards? At the end of it all, terminating the life of an innocent child is just heart breaking for me. At least, if you are not good enough to take care of the child then give it up for adoption cause there are many people out there seeking kids of their own.

Sorry mate but your comparison is far different from my stand in life and i believe my wife has the same views.

We believe that life always matter and that Child(the fruit or raping) has no sin at all,The baby don't even know what happens so why need to cut His/Her life just because he is from rape?
Sorry but i will make sure that my wife will understand that the baby must stay and we will bring him to life like our own children(and besides my children now are looking for another baby in house lol)
It must be banned,because That life inside the womb of women comes from divine blessings,There are so many women that wanted to Get pregnant but not giving a chance to have one.

a pregnancy is not a viable independant 'child' until like the 24th week.
it would not survive being born at the 24th week. it just has not developed enough to be viable

so all you lot shouting 'its murder' at any stage of pregnancy pre 24th week are thinking too narrow minded.
yes after the 24th week make rules about preventing abortion, but taking into account the mothers wishes.
(men should not be making these rules)

but before that viable life 24th week point its then 100% the mothers decision. and not 'murder'

some examples of circumstances to terminate after the 24th week is if the pregnancy itself is risking the mothers life whereby mother would die if the pregnancy is not terminated.

or if the scans reveal a anomaly that shows that there is no chance of 'adequate quality of life'
(EG same as next of kin having the control to turn off life support to someone in a coma that wont recover)

as for before the 24th week.
morning after pill is 100% not 'murder' but just removing a cluster of cells
zygote/embryo/fetal abortion is not 'murder' as its not capable of independant life, thus the mothers decision as she is the one in control of the pregnancy

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there are many non medical reasons, lets call them societal reasons. why abortions happen
and those need to be addressed as a separate societal concern

EG better school/community education
EG those that try to promote 'sex after marriage' and shunning unwedded sex are not solving the problem. it just makes those horny unwed people just be more secretive and thus less willing to be caught buying protection. thus causing more risk.

also the pretending that people dont get horny until they are married. makes families and communities think its not even a topic to educate people on untill they are atleast engaged/an adult.

if people think that the 'birds and the bee's talk is something for college junior/those engaged to be married your too late


as for trying to define all pregnancy termination, for whatever reason for whatever gestation term as 'murder' is just stupid millenial crying to fake passion about something they dont actually know much about

abortion should be banned because it includes the act of murder of the baby taking of innocent human difference if the baby in the uterus as a result of rape, according to my point of view is legitimate if the victim wants to have an abortion depending if pregnant outside of marriage if want to have an abortion, is an act illegal and unlawful.

Hey,
Very interesting answer thanks.
You have a strong point, your view is based on your religious beliefs and I respect that.
Mine is based on science, common sense, and personal preference.
What wasn't a choice a few centuries ago, has become one today?
But to be fair, I'm glad there are people like you, loving, compassionate, and respectful of the life of a child. If you are not already, you'll do a great parent.

If I wanted to troll you a little and ask you this question (with all due respect) :
If the child from a rape is a blessing (as per your stance), then no wrong has been done by the raper. Hence rapping should be allowed (at least toward women that share the same view as yours).

(I personally believe that proven rapist should have their balls chopped, but only if there is no doubt of the guilt, we know that justice sometimes make mistake)

Abortion should be banned because it can be considered as murder, and it is not the child's fault, that is why they don't deserve it. It is the reason why they advise us to used condoms and do a family planning if you can't take care a child or don't have the ability to make a child live.

you got me there mate and if i am not a religious person?i am sure i will stand with you in this point but my belief is much stronger than science that's why i think our differences on this one is really indeed,But like you?i respect your point i really do.

We will have no arguments on that,I hate rapist and as a government Employee i am fighting against them,and i am in favor of Death penalty for them as well.

But were talking about the Fruit here and from that i have my stand that i had mentioned above.

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Nice arguments here Mate and really i love sharing of thoughts and beliefs as long as the respect is there and never been stepped out.

It should be left to the mother to decide. What should be banned is the vaccination of babies. This creates cripples and a population with impaired immunity, and this is a far more serious crime in my opinion.

And that's the real problem with abortion. Put yourself in the shoes of those women. Would you like to get a child from a man who abuses by the force? Even the abuse will be a charge to deal with in the future, and had a kid who reminds you all the life that scene should be brutal.

It shouldn't be banned. There are many reasons as to why people go through abortion. It's better to abort then to neglect a child, some people aren't ready to become parents.

Yes there must be a strict rules regarding to abortion. Abortion is the type of murder of babies in the womb. That is unethical, wrong and immoral. There should be a strict action against doctors who do this type of activities. And against the people who wants to do this immoral activity.they must be punished for this shameful act

I think we should not prohibit something, but carefully explain to people that they are wrong. If a person is ready for the truth, then this person will understand that he was wrong. And if a person doesn't perceive this information now, then the time has not yet come. It is not right to force people to do something, including prohibiting something. We need to develop our understanding, and not be limited by the framework.

I'm not saying abortion is good or bad...
however, abortion is an old, doctor-approved practice. I have given an opinion on why abortion is not 'evil' even though there are many who deliberately have an abortion because they are 'pregnant outside of marriage'. opinions differ greatly and will continue to be a long debate.

We know its approved. Its just that life is too precious enough to waste.
They also have a choice to give the baby to a foster family who will treat the baby as their own. There are families out there that really willing to take care of a baby as their own. I even want one myself just to have another company for my kid to treat as a brother so he has someone to be with when they grow old.

I strongly agree with it if they aren't ready for the baby there are so many ways to avoid it.
There are so many contraceptives that they could use to avoid having one they could just avoid having one if they would just be careful.
Use condom or pills if you're not yet ready for the responsibilities instead of killing the child.

But what if the intercourse was not was not consensual? Is the woman forced to bring up the child she never wanted? The daddy might spend the next 10 years in jail. Also it good be that there are medicial reasons for the mother not to have children. I think this subject is a bit more complex. Sure for the 18 year old kids who are just to lazy to buy the pill or condoms, abortion might be wrong. But there are so many different circumstances which should be looked at individually instead of deciding for everbody beforehand.

I wrote that 👆last year and it still remains true to this day.
People should never be given the choice to kill or keep their unborn children. Killing unborn child to save your life or for selfish reasons should not be tolerated. Both lives should be saved in difficult situations.

I think this is a gross practice that is done but I also think its been around for so long it is ok to leave it as is. 

If you want to do it you can but making it banned would make for more problems.

This is Inhuman act , babies inside the mothers Womb is already a living Human so taking them out of there earlier means killing them instantly.

I don't know why there are countries allows this but for me ? this must never be allowed and should be a criminal offence .

Not like I am trying to justify the act of abortion, but you can't force someone to bring a child into this world when they are not ready for it. Some of the people who indulge in abortion have weighed their options and seen that they are not either psychological, financially or physically ready for the responsibilities that come with having a child.

This is not absolute. If someone is raped to get pregnant and the country prohibits abortion, do you want this child? Will your future husband be willing to raise this child? You may not want to improve it. It depends on one's own wishes, not forced abortion. :(

Don't be stupid , if you are not ready to bring a child then never had a SEX or make sure that it is always safe.

You people don't understand that making Sex is the way to have a child so admit that once you do it, the opportunity of having birth is always there.

I don’t agree that abortion should be banned. There are many situations where it’s a good idea, what if a woman is a victim of rape or something & becomes pregnant? She’s supposed to raise & love a child that was conceived unwillingly as a result of a sexual attack?

Also many people have children & they can’t afford to feed & clothe them.

Abortion is an option in many situations, sorry.

Abortion of course should be banned. except if there are miscarriage, but im not sure if that considered as abortion

I believe that there will be no concrete stand for this question because Each Individuals has their Own beliefs in terms of religion that gives Big factor on this matter.

Because in some religion Life is too important even in the Child in a Woman's Belly while in others this can be aborted for some reason in which condemned by other religions.

it should be banned for causing the loss of many lives.
According to the meaning of modern science, a fertilized egg after the union of sperm and egg should be a life, even if it is the most primitive origin of life. Therefore, since it is the origin of life, our law cannot tolerate this kind of life-killing behavior. :)

The decision to abortion is understandable. After all, you are responsible for bringing life. If you can’t pay the responsibility, it may cause more suffering.
However, whether you have an abortion or not, your decision will be a huge harm to the child.
I did not say that the abortion decision was wrong, but the person who made the decision should indeed apologize for the child who was forcibly brought and killed because of your actions and faults.

I support national legislation to prohibit casual abortion. But our direction in baby care and kindergarten care is not satisfactory, so many mothers do face the dilemma of their children's career. We can't completely blame those mothers at all. From the perspective of society as a whole, we are all responsible.

It is the right of pregnant women to have an abortion. No one can force a woman to keep the fetus in her abdomen. Women have the basic right to control their bodies. Forcing a woman to continue pregnancy and childbirth is unrealistic and humane.
If the pregnancy is caused by rape or incest, in order to avoid increasing the psychological trauma of the pregnant woman, abortion should be allowed to be legalized.
If abortion is not legalized, many pregnant women will face life danger for illegal abortion.

The issue of abortion is a controversial social and political case. Many are quick to come to a stand on the decision without examining thee subject from different stand points.

From a biblical stand point, the bible emphasizes the value and importance of life in the womb and how God has compassion towards them. (Isaiah 49:1b, Jeremiah 1: 4-5)

From a societal stand point, a woman who has accessed herself thoroughly and have come to the conclusion that she is not ready to be a parent to a child cannot be forced to become a mother else she might just bring another child into this world that will become another riff raff because of lack of proper home training.

From a moral stand point, killing a baby in the womb is bad. If one is not ready to be a parent, instead of killing, give birth to the child and give the child out to people who are looking for children. This is a better option than ending the child's life.

I believe that a woman herself has the right to decide whether to have an abortion or not. An ultrasound of the fetus up to 12-18 weeks of pregnancy shows that there is not yet a person. But with a later pregnancy, the formation of the child already begins. Abortion during this period is already considered a murder.

Murder is the killing of one human by another.

A fetus cannot be considered a human any more than a fertilized egg is considered a chicken.  If people really were concerned about murdering parasites, women should be forced to take a pregnancy test before drinking.   A one day or one week fetus would be destroyed by a night of drinking.

Once the fetus has a chance of surviving outside the womb, then it can be considered a human.

Abortion is a woman's right, it is her body and her business. And if she was raped and the child is a terrible and unwanted pregnancy. Or there is a chance that the woman will die in childbirth. Her life is more valuable than the life of an unborn and undeveloped child. imho

Abortion does hurt me.. When i think IF the Child could of bring a new invention or a great contribution to the world.. Wasted opportunity just because the Parent "Wasnt Ready". When it comes to Kids .. Noone is ready !

Lol even if woman owned Her body yet he does not Own the life of the child inside her womb .

They have the rights to decide for their future if we will let them live till they can achieve life outside the body of their mother.

If those child only has the right to choose? they will never wish to be on every abortion believer women .

Both lives are important. One is not more important than the other. I believe if we start thinking this way, society will be encouraged to make provisions to save both lives. If you lose one while trying your best to do the right thing, it's not your fault.
Once you understand that an unborn child is like a sleeping human who wakes up once in a while in the womb and is not very aware of our world, you will be more careful giving such advice.
The unborn child is a human and deserves to live rather than sacrificed.

I always have difficulty with these types of arguments. I understand that people are against abortion for moral reasons. If you feel something is wrong, you should not do it, and I fully respect that..

but it's a hard to follow the logic of an argument where in order to be 'against abortion', it assumes I first have to agree with the existence of God and a Soul.

I'm not saying I don't believe in God and a Soul, I'm simply saying that it is a much harder thing to prove (if even possible at all).

If GOD exists, If a SOUL exists then every soul has the 'right' to live, sure, but for an argument to be sound it must have valid premises, and in this case there is no way to be 100% sure the premise is valid, it must be taken by faith.

Interesting, a sleeping human is a once conscious human who feel into a state of unconsciousness and then hopefully regains it the next morning "sort of".  If the sleeping human does not wake up, we say that it is 'dead' since it no longer has a heart beat and there is no brain activity. if the human falls into a coma it can be declared 'brain dead' if there are no signs of conscious activity for a prolonged state of time.

Do we know that unborn human was ever conscious? Does it have dreams? Is there brain wave activity consistent with the type of activity that occurs during human sleep?, or is the activity closer to that of a coma victim? It does seem at least anecdotally that unborn hurman's experience both 'sleep' and 'wake' cycles in the womb, at times being much more active then others, so during these more 'active cycles' would you still consider it sleeping?, are they conscious  are they aware of it's surroundings?  If it is true, I am kind of glad personally that I have no memories of it  :)

One 'final' thought

* When people make choices, they come with responsibilities
* When a choice is taken out of someone's hand so does the responsibility

If I make the choice to be a parent I bear the responsibility of raising the child, providing for their needs, proving them food, safety, housing, clothing, education

If society removes the choice from my hands and 'forces' me to have a child, removes my ability to choose, that same society now bears the responsibility.

You cannot remove someone's choice and still expect them to bear responsibility for the consequences.

If an unborn human was not the choice of the mother, and you believe that the mother should not have the option of abortion, you must take responsibility for the welfare of the child once born, it is no longer the mothers burden.

Every country has their Own rules and belief on this, also religion are having different views on this.

but for me personally , i don't support abortion because it has already a life and must be born.

because if it is not for you the baby will not survive , and if its yours then it will grow.

Starting a family is difficult. But when both family members try, everything works out. We have been living together for about 3 years. After a while, we wanted to enlarge the family.

But what if the woman doesn't have the capacity to take care of the kid when it's out of the womb? What if it has a genetic defect? What if it's a result of rape? I think abortion should be a consideration but not necessarily banned. If you are going to answer with sanctity of life which is a bullshit then your argument that abortion should be banned is wrong.

Well the topic is about abortion mate if it is legal or must be banned.

But it is indeed that having a family is not that easy that is the same reason that we did not plan to extend our family, 1 Son and daughter is enough for us because it is not easy to maintain a large family.

Those are answers that must be faced by the involve itself we are just here to answer the question of OP but the reality is far different from our answers.

It's hard to say that abortion should be banned. What if protection is too expensive in a country? Or there is a problem and protection doesn't work? Or a woman gets assaulted? Not every child is planned. And if the mother is alone and don't want the child she will treat it badly. In hard cases abortion should be allowed.

That's what everyone likes to have when they got almost everything and they're growing old. Sad to see that there's more stats for the young ones in abortion because they cannot see themselves growing a kid with their capacity.

Mostly in poor and rural communities, this happens but it's also not a secret that in modern days there's no more division in poor and rich class for this.

It happens everywhere and that's just sad that those potential babies can no longer see the world.

Abortion is a blasphemy of life。This is my view.

but most of the position above are pointing what if the child is a fruit of Raping and the mother does not want to have a child? do they need to continue or stopped ?

If you prevent the mother who was raped from choosing abortion you bare all the costs. Emotional, and financial. If your group,society or country removes they choice. It must bear the cost of that decision.

People are not trees, if they don't like a societies rules they can leave  BUT society that imposes rules without bearing the consequences is the greater of immoral measure then the woman who chooses abortion

Do you support an unresponsible action of sex without protection?

There are far worse consequences to sex without protection then pregnancy

Yet pregnancy is one of them, my point is pregnancy can be prevented in a consensual sex.

Okay, but when consensual sex occurs, there is ALWAYS potential for pregnancy (whether contraception is used or not).

I would argue the goal of sexual intercourse is to reproduce the species, if you use contraception you may 'successfully' prevent that potential child from being born, if you do not use contraception and become pregnant and then instead take a morning after bill, you also prevent the child from being born.

Why is it 'more' acceptable to prevent the biological imperative of sperm and egg to connect at all, then it is to destroy the union of these two gametes ?

  Abortion is the most crucial sin in the world I wonder why they just entered this case an they never know how to give a responsible, and acceptance for having a baby. Some country allow this case but they never think that they kill already the child inside their womb an they are not scared to God to what they did aborting their child. If I have a position I will implement to put all in the prison who caught aborting.

I do not support abortion because it is a great sin there can be no more heinous act than killing a small child. No one can be as bad as them if many countries support it if you do not have children, there are alternative methods birth control methods are not being used properly this method is applied to almost 100% of women unwanted pregnancies occur lack of awareness, coercion and deception also lead to unintended pregnancies. No one can commit fraud if there are legal steps for this.

It is worst to grow up from a household that can't provide their child the basic needs it needed, plus the care they really need.

It is much worst to be alive in a place where even your parents don't accept you for who you are.

It is much worst to live on street after being born.

It is not the baby's fault to be born in this world to live awefully and with nothing.

Yes, people have right to decide if they need to have baby or not but they need to decide first. This is no excuse to have sex first and then realize that she is pregnant and need Abortion. 
Abortion is a like killing babies and its a sin in some regions.

Abortion is indeed killing of infants/babies, and it is true that one should not initiate sex and have baby if they're not ready (financially, physically, and mentally), but sex is different now compare to olden days. We have now contaceptives to avoid unprecedented pregnancies. But there are cases that this contraceptives are not working or irresponsibility of the couples.

We have to blame the parents, but not the baby.

The baby has nothing to do with this, and as much as possible we should avoid the baby growing up in the household with irresponsible parents with no financial means to support the needs.

Again the trend of abortion is more in boy friend girl friend situation, where they involve in intercourse and they have no other option but Abortion to hide their sin.
In married couples, this trend is very less and normally married couples has no objection in having babies.
So you can say that people do abortion to hide their sins.

The question, posed in such a vague way as the OP does, may lead to a mega thread spam, but I guess it will be locked by the moderators first.

This is not a black and white issue. And the central question is what we consider a human being. Those who consider a one month old fetus a human being, do not want it aborted at that stage of gestation. Those who consider it to be later, at 6 months, the same. I am in favor of abortion in principle, but I would not know exactly up to what point of pregnancy it should be allowed.

The only condition on which I can support abortion is when the pregnancy is confirmed to be a threat to the life of the mother. Otherwise, abortion should not be legalized.

It is one of the usual debate I had when I was still studying and my opinion about this is 50/50. I agree that it is the mother's responsibility to stand up to the consequences of an unexpected pregnancy instead of running away from it through taking the life of an innocent child. On the other hand, as to how other views this, the baby inside the mother's womb cannot be considered as a person yet that is why if the parents are financially unstable and there's a high probability that the children will suffer more if the pregnancy would be supported and continued. Once a baby is born, no parent should run away from their responsibility hence they should consider the future of the children on their hand.

I live in Venezuela, and this question has caused a lot to talk about in my country, as well as in other countries in the world.

In the country many organizations have tried to legalize abortion, and it has been denied by legislators, because they have ensured the right to life as the fundamental principle that governs our Constitution.

The ban on abortion has naturally been supported by churches of various denominations in the country.

Although in other countries the right to abortion has received approval, currently in Venezuela it is only legal if the life of the mother is at risk.

Should heart bypass surgeries be banned?

How about root canal procedures?

Abortion is a medical procedure.

Banning medical procedures is immoral.

Although there have been different school of thoughts as regards this issue but the arguement is an unending one which has spanned for several years across several societies. Personally, I am pro life because I believe that you shouldn't get yourself involved in an act you are aware of the consequences. However, there are certain conditions where having an abortion might seem good especially in a life threatening situation where the mother needs to be saved, maybe a situation like a cryptic pregnancy, that is quite understandable from my point of view but in situations that doesn't warrant an emergency, abortions shouldn't be carried out.

No abortion refers to induced abortions. Wrong, any medical procedure to end human life is immoral. All abortions should be banned to have higher divisions of labor. I refer to this paper- https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/padr.12085 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/padr.12085),https://www.redalyc.org/journal/413/41345703009/html/ (https://www.redalyc.org/journal/413/41345703009/html/), and the Ultimate Resource by Julian Simon. Less people-economic slowdown. More people - more growth. However, I don't think governments should give incentives to people to have more children. Their only job in my view is to defend life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness in that order.

Abortion is never a good thing. To do so is to commit murder. It is a different matter if someone has an abortion without any special reason. For example, many people may have small babies and become pregnant before the scheduled time. Or if there is a physical problem, etc., if there is a complex problem, it can be done, but it must be held accountable to the Creator. So we should avoid it.

"they have no other option but Abortion to hide their sin." or abortion to avoid the risk of having the baby to undergo unnecessary hardships due to unplanned pregnancy.

Even if it is already banned there are many pregnant woman  who trying to abort their child the reason why they do that because we all know that nowadays many woman get addicted to alcohol.  then if they already drunk some bad boys take over them or worst rape them so in this case if the woman get pregnant they want to abort it cause they don't know who is the father, where they can get a Money to sustain to their child, or else they are not ready to became a mother.

In general, abortion is prohibited from a religious, social, cultural and health perspective.
 However, we cannot deny the occurrence of events that are out of control, for example, pregnancy occurs in women who are too old to get pregnant.  If the pregnancy is left, it is feared that it can cause maternal death.  Fetal abortion can also be performed at the gestational age of less than 8 weeks.  However, it is different for people who are young and pregnant because of free sex. To prevent unwanted pregnancies and lead to abortions, it is very important to continue to carry out reproductive health education from an early age. 

As parents, we should do our part in preventing this

Abortion is sin after man and our maker, at this length abortion is not really open or official to the sight of government, everyone in society dislike the name abortion, but their is a point termination of pregnancy is advantage to some extent because some students or girls who don't know left and right  and got pregnant and the pregnancy will lead for future delay or future frustration,so the best option is to terminate it, despite that no abortion is legal, all of it are illegal.

Abortion can never be a good thing to do. I understand that that some women get rapes and if it leads to them getting pregnant, they consider abortion as the only option. But there are disadvantages of abortion which involves damage of the womb, it can even lead to death. Although, is illegal, but many pregnant women who are not ready to have a baby still terminates their pregnancies.

I understand the evils associated with abortion. Some may say, the baby haven't formed and as such, you don't regard it as a being which makes it easy to just decide and do away with it. Either we like it or not, we just killed an innocent person even before we knew whom it was to turn out to be.

Where the issue lies is the fact that, which is the greater good here?

To have let a baby being born when you are incapable of raising a child with regards to providing what that child would need for a fair living or

Doing away with it as in, abortion and save the not just yourself but the world some trouble.

There is a set of pan handlers I come across at times and I see them with 2-3 children.  I very much feel for them but, they've got options to this. That is, protected s*x. It could have saved them from unwanted pregnancy. On the contrary, I wonder where there inpregnators are. They've got to handle the child up bringing so, we don't have youths committed to vices in our society.

until a biological mass can survive independently.. its not 'living'
(no independent breath or experience or voice)

its the same as the question
is turning off a life support machine of a brain dead relative at families consent immoral?

a fetus is dependant on the mother. a mother is the life support
its a question which the mother and only the mother gets to decide.
it is her responsibility and her decision what happens with her biology

once a fetus gets to the third trimester where if it was birthed early it could independently survive..
thats where abortion should not occur.

but before that point of possible independence.. its the decision of the mother.. not men. not politicians

Abortion is the killing of humanity. Any religion of the world and civilized society allows it. It is illegal, immoral, and human humility. It caused many death and complexities. No civilized society can bear this kind of cruelty with women. It is against the rights of women. Civil society and human right organization should take notice and ban it. Although today's society is a society of men but regarding the rights of women, they should care and take steps for its prevention.

I do no think it causes damage to the womb but if it does I think it is down to the person having the abortion weather they accept that they could damage the womb. Not every one wants children and the womb is not essential if you do not want children and if it is your womb and you do not care if you damage it because you do not want to use it why should that stop them from having a abortion?

I'm not a supporter or promoter of abortion. We don't really know situation what people go through to commit abortion. People go into it  avoid problems in the future, it could be how to bring the baby up which they may not be ready at the moment, also financial problem.

Its  inhumane @ some point but it shouldn't be banned depending on the situation one find herself for  a raped victim its not advisable for her to keep such mess because the shame & trauma would be unbearable and it  can't be over emphasized.. For teens it should be banned completely.

I don't agree with you on this one that abortion should be banned, because in some countries where the population is high,and the economy is unstable to be able to feed the growing population,it will put crime on the increase.
Imagine if a country is 2000000 in population,and the number of female in that country is 1.4 million,out of that,700 thousand are pregnant,don't you see that there is population problem in that country already? What will they eat?because the economy is bad.Therefore,abortion is a thing that must be among human to reduse the population of human.
And most children born by youths are mostly bastards.They grow up to become nuisance in the society because there are no father's to give them fatherly care.

People should be able to do what they want with their own bodies so long as it doesn’t encroach on anyone else. Unfortunately in the abortion scenario the child is unable to make decisions regarding it’s own body and thus is at the mercy of it’s parent. Whether or not it is ethical is one question, but banning abortion, especially in cases such as rape, seems wrong to me. Freedom of choice is important.

Abortion is killing a baby but there are some exceptional cases that makes it the only option to make the mother survive or avert  an unforgettable incidence like rape. A child gotten from a rape by an unknown person needs to be aborted.

And not even the society, in this current era, the SOCIETY is the one determining what is good and bad. And society is not a single entity that has single decision to decide if something is good or bad, but instead a group of individuals that have a strong support towards what they believe as the good or bad. And this thread shows how it is separated.

There are good points in both side, but removing religion in the arguments, and the other side is now in void

Acts like this should be prohibited, because it is the same as killing someone without any wrongdoing and this is a very heinous act in my opinion, such an act should be punished according to the regulations laid down in a country, in this case it has become a habit for teenagers who are lovesick

I will give you some scenario choices:

Would you rather...

a) live in a household without a father, and a mother who don't accept you as her child because you were born from a "mistake", and become a homeless as your mother leaves you in the slum?
b) Live in a household with a family who degrades you and blames you as the reason for why they're in such a dire and poor situation?
c) Die not knowingly anything as you are just a growing zygote that don't have any senses.

It is right to have the abbortion banned. It's very inhumane to those people who chose to kill their own child in their womb to avoid embarassment. People need to be responsible for their own doings. Having abbortion is just so wrong. The child has nothing to do with their mother's mistakes.

Most of the teenagers who are pregnant tends to be tempted from this abbortion because they are afraid of the consequences that they were about to bear and this is the problem that our society faces.

Abbortion being banned is good for the community and the society. Things like this should be prohibited.

People should not base this decision on wants, but on health/safety. IMO human rights, the rights to live, starts when human formed as fetus. I think the fetus prefers to be alive than die if they can talk. But if the pregnancy is dangerous for the mother, the mother can choose to abort the baby since she also has the rights to live.

Don't take the most precious life as a joke. Life does not allow blasphemy, and resolutely oppose abortion

You got it wrong.  More people means more pollution.  Having fewer people is better for everyone.

As for abortions, men should have no say what a woman can do with HER BODY.

Abortions until viability should be allowed, period. 

People who cannot get pregnant should have no say on the matter.

So you should kill unborn children for the environment, then? Surely there is a better way than murdering the human population in order to be more greener.

And define "viability". At what exact point does a fetus become viable? The line is blurry. And why viability? What about when the fetus can detect pain, or has a heart beat?

Say the pro-abortion crowd defines an unborn child as just a clump of cells (they do, but for the sake of argument, suppose). At 9 months post conception, the moment before birth where abortion is apparently okay, what exactly is that "thing" that originates from the uterus? Is it still just a clump of cells? If it is considering a human being, then why should other human beings (aka men) not have a say in the matter?

Don't play dumber than you are. Google 'baby viability'.

Abortions until viability should be decided by women. Period.

Women's rights to medical procedures trump your wants over her body.

The limit of viability is around 24 weeks. The nervous system developments necessary for feeling pain do not occur until the 26th week.

There are people living without a heartbeat through Ventricular Assist Devices, and there are hearts beating away inside brain dead people. A heartbeat is a poor indicator of a viable life.

QFT.

Well if Google says so, it must be true! You have holes in your logic - viability does not define a human, that's the point.

Is someone on a ventilator not human because they are not viable with advanced medical equipment? Why bother saving anyone's life in the hospital if their life is dependent on medical equipment to bring them back to viability? Why would it be a tragedy if someone were to die in their sleep, not knowing they would have ever lived. It's because they would have missed out on the experiences of life.

Life starts at conception, not at viability. Abortion after the fetus is developed is cruel. I am not against outlawing abortion, it's celebration in modern times though is disgusting.

If someone on a ventilator still has higher brain function and still has a possibility of survival, then that person will receive full medical treatment.
If someone on a ventilator has been declared brain dead, then that is no longer a viable life (despite their heartbeat) and will have medical treatment withdrawn.

If a fetus has higher brain function and has a possibility of survival when they are born, then they will receive full medical treatment.
If a fetus has no higher brain function and will not survive even with advanced medical equipment, then it is not a viable life.

Living cells start at conception. A human life, by definition, cannot start until there is enough brain development to sustain consciousness, which is around 26 weeks.

Again, viability does not define human life. Viability refers to chance of survival.

The start of human life begins at the formation of a zygote.

What you might define as "living" begins a philosophical discussion, not a scientific one, so there are reasonable disagreements and subjective interpretation.

Do we consider living to be sentient or conscious? If that were the case, that means we are are no longer alive while sleeping?

A human life is still human life even if it is not sustainable without the mother's womb. Abortion is ending human life.

And humans with a 0% chance of survival due to lack of higher brain function are both medically and legally dead.

A zygote is no more a human life than a skin cell.

You don't need to be conscious, but you need to have the capacity for consciousness. Adults without the capacity for consciousness are declared dead. Fetuses without the capacity for consciousness are not yet a life.

So what?  Who cares? That life is not viable so it does not matter if it is human life or not.

Why are you ignoring human rights to medical procedures?  But insisting on preserving non-viable human life?

Why?  I really want to know the logic behind it.  Who brainwashed you?

I just gave you the logic. I don't want abortion outlawed, so it's myself that doesn't care, along with plenty others. Celebrating abortion becomes the slippery slope, it didn't used be like that, but radical activists have a profound ability of taking moderate concepts and shifting them into radical philosophy. And who says it's a "human right," exactly? Who says it's nonviable? A fetus is viable, it (he/she?) will eventually turn into a born human being that functions. You still have your abortions, nothing stopping anyone.

Humans say it is a human right not to be excluded from medical procedures based on sex.  Not allowing women access to medical procedures is discrimination.

Science says when a fetus is viable based on the study of human developmental biology.

Just because you don't understand how not to discriminate against people, doesn't mean discrimination must be legislated.

It is not a slippery slope as you think it is.  

Instead of banning abortion, we should make vasectomies compulsory for all males at age 14. They are reversible, so once a man has proven he is responsible enough to have kids, and raise them, we should allow him to reverse it.

+1

I'd limit men's reproductive age to 25-40.  Every man over 40 should undergo a permanent vasectomy.

This would solve more problems than one.

AND

Abortions until viability should be a choice. The government should pay for all abortions until 26 weeks of pregnancy.  

Your proposals sound like those of a complete psychopath, but I do agree that deadbeat men who impregnate women and run away from their responsibilities should be held to account.


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I agree with these terms. No quarter should be given to deadbeats who spread their seed without accountability especially the seed of imbeciles. There is a flipside to this though for promiscous women who cheat on their husbands and abandon their families. They too should face repercussions 8)

This comments gave the most valid points and you guys just disregard this for what?, to pretend you didn't see a thing and continue with the debunked argument... what a loser

Because it goes in circles and was already refuted in my earlier comment.

A fetus does not have a 0 percent chance of survival, inaccurate. A fetus will survive as it continues development in the womb and then post birth.

A skin cell does not differentiae into a full human being, a zygote does. And as I've mentioned, it is less cruel to abort a zygote than it is a 9 month old fetus in the womb.

Consciousness doesn't even exist for babies post birth. No one remembers being a one month old. No one remembers any feelings or emotions as one month old. The brain is so under developed, with so little neurons, there is no complex thoughts. A baby at one month old could die without knowing it, or being aware of it. Do you begin abortions post birth because the baby is so young and would not remember or even comprehend being killed? Consciousness isn't any good metric to determine when human life becomes valuable. Human life is human life with or without consciousness.

If it were, why would it be a tragedy if someone passed away in their sleep? Why would it be a tragedy if everyone in this world passed away in their sleep tonight? No pain, you won't be aware of it, and you were consciousness for it either. For the same reason why abortion is unethical. You deprive someone the privilege and experience of human life.

You are nitpicking from the statement in every comment box... try to tie all of your arguments into one long essay, then the statements he gave will make sense to you as it is continuation and not repetitive.


As he, Oeleo, already said "A person without brain function even under medical equipments are both medically and legally dead, or having no life by any means. Similarly, a zygote that has no brain function are both medically and legally dead or no life at all."


We stick with the physiology and not about the consciousness. A person's brain doesn't stop functioning even when he's asleep, therefore he is alive.

By that argument, an egg cell does not have a 0 percent chance of survival either. It will also survive if it meets the right conditions in the womb.

If you then claim that an unfertilized egg cell isn't a human but a fertilized egg cell is, the only different between the two is that it has gone from 23 single chromosomes to 23 pairs of chromosomes. If that is your criteria, then that means a skin cell is also a human.

Your cut off is entirely arbitrary. A ball of cells is not a human being.

That's just not true. They can sense their environment, they can react to stimulus such as bright lights, pain, or skin to skin contact, they can communicate that they are hungry or tired, etc. A fetus before the limit of viability cannot do any of that because it does not have a functioning cerebrum.

I've already addressed this. Being temporarily unconscious is not the same as having no capacity for consciousness because your brain has either died or doesn't exist.

There are many abortions performed when the fetus would have been able to survive if it had been delivered rather than aborted. These abortions are the most clearly wrong. With advancements in medical technology, viability outside the womb has become increasingly earlier in pregnancy over time.

Restrictions on abortion are not prohibiting women from receiving abortions based on their sex.

Abortions until viability is a decision only the mother should be taking.  Science tells us that viability is around 22-24 weeks.

If you want to be on the side of caution, make the laws allowing all abortions until 16 weeks, or thereabouts.

Restrictions on abortions implicitly discriminate against women.

Imagine if states had different laws against receiving cancer treatments based on the size of your prostate.  Some states would allow treatments as soon as the cancer is detected, others will say that your prostate has to be larger than 4 inches.  Most men with prostate cancer will be prevented from receiving their treatment in that state.  The laws would discriminate against them without explicitly stating that men are prevented from receiving their cancer treatment.

It serve for good and bad purpose, let's not lie to our selves

Biology tells us that only women can get pregnant. However, it is often the case that men are pressuring pregnant women to get an abortion because they want nothing to do (including financially) with the baby.

If radical, far-leftists were serious about "my body, my choice, they would make it illegal for men to pressure women to get abortions for unwanted babies. This is not the case, leftists, celebrate late-term abortions, and encourage women to cede the choice to get an abortion to leftist men who wish to avoid responsibility to pressure women to get an abortion.

You know that political leaning has nothing to do with this issue. Don't you?

I am a conservative, pro-free-market capitalist, anti-religion, pro-guns, pro-choice, feminist, and humanist. 

Who told you men are pressuring women?  Other men?

Talk to women.  Do you know what happens to a woman's body during pregnancy?  For most, it is not a walk in the park.

If anything, the stance for or against abortion is driven by religious indoctrination.  It is about controlling women's rights as all Abrahamic religions are ("women shall be quiet and must obey men").

Men who pass these laws think they are 'punishing' women who have sex before marriage, not realizing that there are married couples
who want to abort their pregnancies.

The legislation should be driven by science, not a religious delusion.

Abortions should remain safe and legal
And a private medical decision.



If you are against abortion you should definitely not have one.

It depends on your beliefs in life. And for me, I am not blaming anyone in case they will go thru this process. It is their body and who knows, they have valid reason why they need to. It is only them that can truly answer the reason why?

While I understand the point that's trying to be made with this perspective (and yes it is nice to have men in particular see it from a different angle).
Can we not advocate for more oppression?

We don't need to create a war on males to keep liberty for woman.

The extremists have been created through a false narrative spread across society like a cancer by the "too many useless eaters brigade" The extremists are "useful idiots" like all radicals that are used to acheive the goals of violent revolutionaries in sheeps clothing infecting the corridors of power all across western democracies today.

Can a sperm or egg differentiate into a human being? No. A zygote is the only thing that can differentiate into a human being. And if you are pro-abortion, again, that means there is no difference between a zygote, embryo, and fetus.

Let's make it simple - is a fetus human life? What separates a fetus at 8.5 months of a development and a baby that is post birth by 1 day? What makes it okay to end the life at 8.5 months, but not post birth by 1 day.

Being born is not the difference, the life inside the womb and outside the womb is the same. At 8.5 months, almost all development has been completed. So it would be the pro-abortionists with arbitrary limits as to what they constitute as human life.

Abortion becomes more unethical as the baby is further developed in the womb. I don't care if a zygote is aborted. It just becomes more cruel as you go on.


So your limit for abortion would be the ability to respond to stimuli, then?

A plant can respond to stimuli, so can insects. That does not mean they are "conscious". Babies are not aware of what's going going on, they are essentially floating balls of cells merely existing. I consider consciousness to be a condition at which you are aware of what is going on, and surely babies that are 1 or 2 days do not possess any ability to recognize or understand their environment at any deep level. By baby, I mean one that is under 1 week old. When you are an infant, your brain develops rapidly.


Exactly, this is my point, similarly, a zygote, embryo, and fetus have the capability for consciousness, which is why it is a tragedy to abort them.

Absolutely, given the right conditions. A human skin cell could be made to grow in to an entire human given the right conditions. A fertilized egg cell will only grow in to an entire human given the right conditions. Your cut off of fertilization is complete arbitrary and not based on any scientific data. The only difference is the number of chromosomes.

Please point out where I have ever argued for abortions at 8.5 months. We are talking only about abortions of non-viable fetuses. Creating strawmen like this only weakens your argument, as does using clearly hyperbolic terms like pro-abortion and celebrating abortion. Thinking that women should have a little bit of bodily autonomy is not the same as celebrating abortion.

Not before they are viable they do not.

That's not true, a sperm or egg cell can't on it's own differentiate into an entire human, only a zygote can do that. And so human life begins at conception, so there isn't any arbitrary cut off. That is what the science says - human life begins when a sperm cell attaches to an egg. This isn't about data, the biology is clear on when human life begins.

If you don't think abortion is okay at 8.5 months, then viability is arbitrary too because consciousness is fairly subjective. The brain at viability in the womb is no where near advance enough to experience any level of lucidity or awareness.


I didn't say you were arguing this - only pointing out that human life does not magically become something else only because the brain isn't fully developed yet. Consciousness isn't what defines a human.


And again, viability isn't anything objective, because you cannot define human consciousness at any specific point during development to any degree of accuracy. Even post birth, the brain is so under developed that "consciousness" is hardly achieved, if achieved at all. Science isn't even sure how consciousness works, so to pinpoint it through development in the womb is just pseudo science.

Life begins at conception.

And ends with an abortion.  What is your point?

Neither can do it on their own. A sperm or egg can't do it without the other. A zygote can't do it without a uterus, a placenta, an amniotic sac, an umbilical cord, a constant source of oxygen and nutrients, efficient removal of carbon dioxide, urea, electrolytes, and other waste products, warmth, protection, etc. The only difference between an unfertilized egg cell and a fertilized egg cell is the number of chromosomes. If that is what you are going to base "personhood" on, then exfoliating your skin becomes mass genocide.

But it is not a human being. A fertilized egg cell is no more a person than an acorn is a tree.

Not really. The structures in the brain required for any degree of consciousness or higher level thinking don't even exist prior to around 26 weeks.

See above. A fetus without a functioning cerebellum cannot be conscious.

Abortion should be banned. It should only be carried out where there is an impending miscarriage, birth defects and risks to the mother’s health and it must be recommended by a qualified medical practitioner. Life is precious. Life is sacred. Who ever didn’t give life has no right to take it. No matter how liberal our generation becomes respect and value for human life should never be negotiated.

Abortion shouldn't be banned even tho it's evil, my reason are;

Instead of a bringing a child to this world that you can't take care of, terminate the baby, people will say you don't know what that child can impact on the society, ask them whether are they ready to care of the child  if you give birth to them.

Some couples that are not ready to have children can agree to abort.

life is not precious. many people in this topic that pretend life is precious, actually think freedom and choice is precious.. not life

many people in this forum are ok with having the choice to be anti-vax and affect others lives.

americans love their guns. meaning death in the defence of others freedom is allowed.
so if a pregnancy is going to affect the freedoms of the mother. then yes the abortion is a defence

americans like freedom of choice
so again if the mother makes a choice she should be allowed to make the choice

americans like being anti-rape
so if a woman has an unwanted being inside her. thats rape. and should be stopped

the funny part is the anti-abortion lunatics dont care much about rape. as they want the conceived outcome to continue

the even funnier part is the sexist mindset that woman should not have a choice and also the mindset that woman are just vessels for a males desires

I have made my point with the sentence you just read as have you with the sentence you just wrote  8)

That's your "imagination" giving you ideas there. Womanhood is sacred and a man who defiles a woman against her will should face stern justice. Men should protect women and children as is the natural law.

Everyone can start a family. But it is important to do it wisely. Abortion shouldn't be done. After all, it is very unhealthy. We have graced a child from an orphanage.

Thats correct and I support the proposal that abortion should be banned because the people that did one are automatically a killer and the last time I checked there are a lot of things out there created for us to have protective sex and also prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Anybody that has unprotective sex should be mature enough to face the consequences rather than ending an innocent child's life.

I can't take my anger for those people who have done it. I mean, if you can't take the responsibility itself why do they have to do it without safety in the first place? Abortion is killing someone's life, either you do it in silent it's still a sin. So yeah, i mean I'm agree to ban aboetion, however we can't control it.  Ban or not, people who are afraid to take the responsibility will do it. 

Honestly it should b ban and infact kill whoever try the act, isn't making sense by doing abortion when there is what you can used to prevent yourself being pregnant like i  don't know hy some are just fucking heartless doing abortion.
TO me is a bad act to be doing abortion and moreover the drugs using for this act should be ban and stop and some people always feel happy doing that shit like seriously such person deserve to be kill by hanging.

You are a righteous person if you have done this and may the Almighty God Bless your family with abundance and protect the home you dwell in if this is the case.

I believe that anyone who has already had an abortion and regrets it should have no case to answer for. These women ,God willing will make the most valuabe witnesses to the wrongs of abortion because they have been through the personal experience of it and can teach the current and future generations. May God be with them in their giving witness to this.

You are missing the point that abortions are not killing children.  They are simply terminating non-viable human life.

BTW, condoms break.  People should be allowed to have as much unprotected sex as they want before marriage, during, or after.

Women should have access to medical procedures to terminate their unwanted pregnancies.

You, 'pro-life' proponents, are making the same logical fallacy: false equivalence.

A growing fetus is not a human child. Up until 22-24 weeks of pregnancy that human life is not viable.

An egg is not a chicken.

My wife had an abortion.  We already had two kids at the time and did not want to have more.
She has been elated that it was over and we didn't have to raise another child in our 40s.

She recommends it to all the women who for career, school, or other reasons do not want to have children.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that it is not a big deal?

but when men.. in their imagination are 'protecting' but in reality defiling woman mentally and physically.. that should face stern justice too..

woman can look after themselves and make choices for themselves. if a man starts to think he has to do things for a woman against her will/choice. again that rape

its not for men to make these decisions that affect a womans biology, body or freedoms or choices.

seems the mindset that man has to be the 'natural law protector' maybe those men should start by getting a job and then using the money to buy condoms

(im a guy but i can atleast see the sexist remarks that some idiot guys make pretending they are being 'protector' when what they really mean is controller.. so to you and guys like you.. get out of the 1800's and remind yourself its 2021)

Yeah, people make mistakes but once they have learned from it and are ready to do correction or advice those that are walking in the path of the consequences involved in it, I don't think it will be nice for them to have a case to answer for.

Oh ho ho ho... don't disregard the other comments just because they bust your arguments real hard. Typical loser.

That's you and your wife's business as my opinions are my business. Stay out of mine and we will all get along just fine here ;-)

Franky slandering me again with the same old corrupt methods trying to invert points made earlier from personal opinions. When have I ever suggested actually forcing anyone to not have an abortion? I wouldn't force a horse to drink water either but I would certainly lead the poor creature to a place they can get it. Stop being obtuse.

Says the one insulting someone who appears to be a woman for having an opinion.

There is a disagreement with regards to the opinion so the "ITS JUST MY OPINION" is not a valid argument for this. Also, attaching religious contents to your arguments makes your opinion less effective as People on earth has no single religion to begin with  :-\

Anyway, Did he/she suggests that she's a woman in any part of the comments? or you just assumed that because he is agreeing with your statement?
Either way, abortion is something that a person has rights to do, and no single individual has the right to question that right  :D

;D
I will never do that but I don't why I don't get a reply notification for the message late after I reply to the previous message.


Terminating non-viable human life that's a product of the mistake of people who seized to be responsible for their mistake?

Having unprotective sex will expose our environment to more danger especially among the youth.

You said this because you don't know that this is killing them slowly and thousands of women have died through unsafe abortion.


Googling the word "fetus" and see for yourself if a fetus is not a human child. For the safety of our women and the environment, abortion needs to be banned.



It's a big deal because you're both (you and your wife), are both an adult and fully know there are things you can do to prevent another pregnancy from happen. If you dont know you can just go and see a doctor for help instead of practising an abortion.

I live in the free world even if it's being dismantled by extremist woke fucks so yeah we are free to express our opinions as you are and a woman has freedom of choice which nobody is proposing to forcibly stop her from making. How about you go discuss this with your little despot over in the Philippenes (only assuming here) that has one of the most restrictive abortion policies in the world where abortion is criminalized with NO exceptions.


I am "assuming" the users name is feminine


Still not getting it are you? Nobody is stopping anyone making a choice and yes any individual has a right to question anything but should have no right or expectation to be answered by the person they question. Right to remain silent,right to ignore,right to respond, right to engage or whatever the fuck you want but you come from (assuming again here) a so called democracy that is ran by an "elected" dictator so your population obviously is not used to question dictats or authority or any much else for that matter. Thank you have a nice day blah blah and so forth 8)

Philippines is now undergoing such improvement regarding the laws for divorce and abortion, as the people are now understanding how to separate the law and religion. The only thing that ties the country to be this restrictive is because of the religion being involved in the manner.

Anyway, why does any country has to do with this discussion, why is your place has to do with it? The topic title simply state "ABORTION SHOULD BE BANNED" and that is the point, never mentioned any state or country.

So the arguments here is about the stand of individuals on why and why not abortion should be banned... and my arguments is already in this thread (just browse if you may)

Many countries have laws that imprison people who have abortions. Abortion is directly taking the life of a person that he or she deserves even if he or she has not yet been born. If an abortion because a medical test shows the fetus to have a mutation is acceptable for ethical reasons and avoids suffering later on.
To end abortion, it is necessary to educate young people about sex and raise awareness. Birth control pills also need to be widely advertised for everyone to use. Need government intervention with legal documents and social attention. Ban on medical facilities from performing abortions.

Abortion terminates non-viable life, not a person.

Whoever told you that abortion is directly taking the life of a person is a certifiable moron.

It amazes me when the so-called conservatives talk about freedom of choice to vaccinate or not (even when they are directly affecting/endangering the lives of others), but then advocate/legislate to prevent pregnant women to have a choice.

Ok brother. Peace and love ...no homo 8)

As a feminist, I resolutely oppose abortion, which is a blasphemy of life, and it also greatly harms women's human rights.

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But then the fetus will become a person. Every year, thousands of couples seek infertility treatment. So why are these people having abortions? Anything other than medical screening is unacceptable. They have to take responsibility for what they did.
A fetus is a soul and deserves to enjoy life.

Will does not mean is.

re: A fetus is a soul
Prove it.  What is a soul made of?

Depends. Could a soul refer to a conscious? Which in that case, a zygote doesn't have any capability to be conscious. Do you consider there to be a difference between a fetus at the last trimester compared to a newly born baby? Which one has the soul, and is the difference between the presence of a soul existing in the womb versus postpartum, meaning a soul might magically appear after birth.

Maybe op needs to spread the news to the world just like Donald Trump tried as much as possible to reduce or ban it but was unable due to the law that had supported abortion at the first place. Honestly we all need to control be the rate of child birth or else we all gonna face doom day that will happens as a result of the world over population.

I have seen a video where the vlogger said that unplanned pregnancy is a satanic lie. There is no unplanned pregnancy, if you are active in sex then you know you can get pregnant. Then resort to abortion because it is unplanned? Abortion is like murder, you kill your own child. I agree that abortion should be ban and criminalized.

But lets remove the word "soul" in this topic...

True a fetus deserve to live and enjoy life... not a zygote* who is not alive.

If we  agree that abortion should be banned,can this world contain us? Can we be able to handle the problems that will be caused by bastards in our society? There are problems every where that are caused by this fatherless and motherless babies everywhere because they lack home training and fatherly care,yet,we are still talking about banning abortion.
The population rate of human being is high now that there  is abortion,talk more of when abortion will be banned.We better allow abortion to be,because we won't be able to control the population that will come as a result of not aborting.

I would not compare an abortion to cancer treatments. One is a life saving treatment and one is, what I don’t think anyone would disagree with is an elective procedure. I would also describe an abortion as not medically necessary. (If there is serious, credible medical evidence that the mothers life is in serious danger, she should have the right to decide if she wants an abortion).

There is perhaps a valid argument regarding viability. However if you make this argument. However anyone who makes this argument has their credibility go away when they advocate for abortions up until the baby is delivered. I would counter however that it is illegal to take actions that induce someone to harm or kill themselves.

I will admit that 6 weeks pregnant is probably earlier than appropriate to limit abortions due to the time it takes a women to realize they are pregnant. However, viability is well past the time it takes a women to realize they are pregnant and make the decision to get an abortion (or not).

I would also say that it is not uncommon for men to pressure women to get an abortion of an unwanted baby. I don’t have data, but I think an outsized percentage of abortions in late stages of pregnancy are the result of this pressure.

Does it matter if the procedure is medically necessary?  

How would you feel if the government passed a law to ban hair transplantations for men or breast augmentations for women?

BTW, I did not try to imply that babies are cancer (although many parents would probably agree that they can suck the life out of you, especially during the first five years, lol).  The point of the example was that both growing fetus and cancer cells multiply rapidly inside one's body.  One should have a choice to be able to get the necessary medical procedure done to stop that growth.

I would be ok with an abortion ban after 16 weeks, but until then women should have a choice of what to do with their medical issues.

I think it does matter if something is medically necessary and it matters that cancer treatment is potentially life saving. Greater consideration should be given when restricting a life saving procedure. There are a lot of restrictions on procedures that are not medically necessary, for example it is illegal to sell your organs.

I am not a fan of breast implants, and really don’t understand why people get them. I am sure there restrictions on hair implants. Both are cosmetic procedures and I would be okay, and even support restrictions on extreme procedures of either.

When restricting a medically necessary and life saving procedure, especially those that do not harm other lives, you are potentially killing a person. An abortion is something that ends a life, while providing convenience to another. Arguments about viability are fair as are the morals of abortion before and after viability.

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This is not an argument you are making personally, however I find it particularly distasteful when some pro abortion advocates almost encourage mothers to get abortions. 

That is a logical fallacy.  False equivalence.  A fetus is not a person.

A chicken egg is not a chicken.

BTW, we are killing life all the time.  

All the food you eat is life killed; plants and animals.

I am not sure why you find it distasteful what others do with their bodies.  It should be none of your business.

Giving someone the choice to get an abortion is one thing. It is very different when people encourage others to get an abortion, to end a life that would not otherwise have ended.

A mother should have all the relevant facts when deciding if she wants an abortion.

An abortion is ending a human life for the convince of another. To encourage an abortion is comparable to ending a human life for no reason, or perhaps for fun.

I do not like this take at all. I think it is an essential part of healthcare and should be available to everyone who requests it.

For fun?  I think you might be exaggerating a bit.

It is a tough decision.  No doubt.  Most women don't want to do it because it is very taxing on the body, or the pregnancies might interfere
with their school or work.  Can you blame them?  It is not just for convenience like you say.  They want to get ahead in life. 
Get a better education or get a promotion at work.  That is why they might not want to have a baby at that time in their life.

I think women should be the ones deciding it, at least until the fetus becomes viable.  At that point, I agree, it is kind of cruel to kill that life.

There is nothing special about terminating a non-viable human (or any other) life; you can make another one in no time.  No big deal.

Humans are not some special or endangered species.  We are just slightly smarter than chimpanzees.

While it is nobody's business what another person does with their bodies, we also have to know that what others do also has a way of affecting us. Why do you think there are traffic lights and regulations for drivers? It is to prevent reckless drivers from harming others. Look at your comparisons you will find out that they are wrong too. A chicken egg that has not be sat on by a hen is a plain egg without life inside the shell but a foetus is a life growing in a womb. It is a baby unborn. Comparing plants and animals to humans is a wrong analysis.

Ok, captain obvious. If you break a fertilized chicken egg, it is the same thing as performing a human abortion.  Put a fertilized egg in the incubator and you'll get a chicken, no hen required.  If you buy farmer's eggs and eat them, you are not only performing abortions but also eating the chicken embryos.

As for comparing plants and animals to humans, well, do you know anything about biology?  We evolved from plants and animals.
All life on Earth has some human DNA in it.  Bananas have 60% of human DNA in them.  Chimpanzees have 99% of human DNA.

But you are right, comparison of a human fetus to a self-sustaining, alive plant or animal is not quite right, a human fetus is much less structured and is a non-functional, developing life form.  You pro-life guys brought the 'fetus is a life' argument, I just followed it to its conclusion.

If your argument is 'protect life', then you have to stop eating and protect all life.

If your argument is 'protect human life only' then, where is your empathy for other animals, including humans?  
Why are you supporting tribalism (religions/nationalism) that leads to wars?  Why are you supporting the death penalty (for humans)?

If your argument is 'protect human life only because humans are special', I would say prove it to me that we are.
From what we observed in nature, we are just another species, fundamentally no different than 5,400 other mammal species out there, and we are almost identical to about 350+ species of primates.

From what we see, the human population is growing exponentially, doubling every 70 years or so.  We don't really need more humans.

We should probably keep the human population growth at zero percent so that we can figure out a way out of this rock.

I've always found this argument particularly disingenuous, since the majority of pro-lifers (in the US at least) are also pro-death penalty and don't seem to care at all about all the children we already have living in poverty. Most were also fine with immigrant children being locked in cages.

It was never about protecting human life or innocent children. It's always been about controlling women.

Lieutenant, I do not know what your beliefs are but your argument about man coming from plants and animals does not match with mine. Man was created by God. That's all I have to say to this. Another thing concerning the egg example you kept using is that I want you to realize that there is something called 'table eggs'. Eggs like that will not hatch even if you leave them in the incubator for a year on a hen sits on it for that long. What that means is that an egg is just an ordinary egg until a hen sits on it or it is put in an incubator but a foetus is a growing baby in the womb already.

I called you lieutenant because you called me captain. Now you can salute!

Oh, boy.  You said plenty.  No need to discuss it any further if you think Homo sapiens were created by God.

I would describe someone terminating a pregnancy because it will interfere with school and/or work as being for "convenience". I don't judge them, that is not my place. I also won't sugarcoat what is happening. Both school and job opportunities will still be here after a pregnancy (they will also still be around if the mother decides to take some time off to raise the child, and will still be around for the father if the father decides to take some time off to raise the child).

I doubt that any living being that depends on you for support would appreciate it if you suggested that you could just "make another one" if their lives were to end. This would apply to your dog just as much as it would apply to your child.

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"Don't like abortion? Just ignore it like you do children in foster care".

What the heck, I really thought that Pro-life = pro death, is a thing native in my country. I didn't know that it is a universal thing.


It is true, and also true for the other way round. No human in existence should encourage someone in the right mind who decided to take the abortion to not take it. Yes, they can talk about the facts but they must stray away from saying such things as "that zygote is a gift from heaven, you should take care of it" kind of bullshits

Why are you talking about the killing of children?  What is wrong with you?  A fetus is not a child.  A fertilized chicken egg is not a chicken.

BTW, did you even raise children?  Not only your 'single plans' are on hold for decades, but they are also replaced by taking care of children.

Talk to pregnant women about how 'wonderful' their pregnancies were.

Forcing women into having children they do not want is just inhumane.  Condoms break, shit happens.  Grow up!

You have a very naive view about how the majority of the world live. Losing a job or job opportunity is not an "inconvenience" for the vast majority of people. "Taking some time off" is simply not an option for billions of people. Many times there is no father or partner for support. An unwanted child can very quickly lead to loss of income, poverty, and homelessness.

Again, it's always peculiar that pro-lifers don't seem to care about the homeless mothers and children who are starving on our streets. Force the mother to have a child she knows she can't support, vote to cut aid and support for them, and then ignore them both when they are homeless and starving.

Why do you think abortion should be banned? You know that if birth rate is not controlled, there will be too much birth rate which can lead to over population and making things hard for we all.

That is not even an argument to be presented as a reason why abortion should not be banned, though I appreciate your concern.

But let's just focus on the reason scientifically that a abortion should not be banned just because religion says its a bad thing.

It is clear you do not understand the ills of abortion by your view of what is discussed here. How does killing of unborn babies help in birth control when an approach of preventing the pregnancy in the first place can be adopted. People can have sex without bringing babies through protection or family planning and that is the birth control. But once she gets pregnant and removes it that is bad because it is killing of a baby.

Is a 7-week old fetus a baby?

Human life is more than anything. Don’t have an abortion and commit an unforgivable sin.

Abortion does not exist again many doctors does not accept  doing that again instead advice will be given to the pregnant mother to keep the pregnancy before delivering person that have know child will come and adopt it with money, pregnancy is like business between nurse's, doctors now, already anybody caught for termination of it always call to bar.

I agreed abortion may not be welcome in your geographical area but you shouldn't say abortion does not exist again that many doctor don't accept to do it when we both know that you're not in position to make the decision for every doctor all over the world and the last time I checked abortion is allowed in country like Argentina, South Korea and Thailand.

Let's look at it straight. People abort basically for several reasons, reasons which points to the forming baby as unwanted by either the direct parents or supposed guardian of the carrier of the pregnancy. As much as abortion is an immoral act, it helps in one way or the other. In a world such as ours, over population and food supply has been a major problem of nations of the world. It's one thing most nations of the world wish to prevent the most but, not being able to put an infringement on people's sexual relations with the opposit sex is one major reason why, abortion is likely to never stop.

There are a lot of preventives as per contraceptives amongst other measures to prevent a pregnancy outcome but, if we are to face the fact, not many persons are found of using these things. So, its just a part of our society that would always be there.

Yes, it should be banned. A part of all differences of opinions among religions or individual thoughts.
I am against abortion. Babies have no mistakes so they should not be suffered.
It definitely is a killing of like. Every soul surely has the right to live and should not be killed by abortion as well. This should be completely banned and illegal.

Abortion is so rampant this days that it's no longer seen as an abomination. Some people, mostly perpetrators, use finance, lack of food, and “nobody is saint” to justify the selfish and despicable act. I say abortion, irrespective of who commits it, is murder and all who is involved should be prosecuted (father, mother, sponsor and the doctor).
There are alternatives for would-say unfortunate babies than abortion. For cases of rape and poverty, babies can be given birth to and sent to motherless babies or given out to families in need of child. Killing a baby for a misfortune it didn't cause is cruel. If you ask me, option B is easier, cheaper and better than abortion.

Abortion should be banned.


That's stupid, banning abortions. Rather make a law that everybody who willingly took part in an abortion prior to and starting January 1, 2021, is to be executed, - no grandfathering - except...

if they willingly turn themselves in by January 1, 2022, it's commuted to a consecutive 20-year sentence with hard labor, for every abortion they partook of.

Then hunt the rest of them down and execute them for murder.


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Your sky daddy would be proud.

What about women who abort naturally?  Chop their heads too?

Hey Marat, slow down.

Nothing says "pro-life" quite like advocating for millions of executions.

Logic never was their strong point.

Abortion is legal in some countries while not legal in some countries, but even if abortion is banned, there should be some cases that abortion should be allowed.

The story of Paulina aged 13 in 1999 when he was raped by a man that broke into her family home.

Abortion in Mexico: Fight for rights just beginning, women say (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-58900532.amp)

In this case, the right of the girl and here family was abused by the government.

Abortion should banned,BIG YES.We have different opinion,but for my own yes,why people do intercourse , do relationships and sex,if you not sure that person to live together DON'T do anything that you cannot stand and you cannot manage in relationship.Disciplined and respects human being,even you encounter some people out of there mind.If ever you meet people cannot adjust there self ,you will be responsible  to go away to avoid  to contact that person.Love yourself first before you love to others,practice to keep away that you know not worth it,to avoid  abortions,life is not a games that can you play whatever you wanted.

The government should banned abortion because the risk involved in it is too much for the youth.imagine a woman or young lady with a pregnancy of 3 to 4 month trying to abort the child all Because she doesn't want the baby and at the end loosing their lives or sometime the woman or ladies would want to go for DC and also feel much pains that is so unbearable and can also lead to death so I will advise that abortion should be banned in other  to save the life's of mother's,ladies and the unborn children.Moreover,it is only irresponsible single ladies trying to avert their responsibilities of caring for a baby,that will want to get rid of it.Therefore,govt.should have a final say to it,which is "NO"

I support the motion that abortion should be ban everywhere and law have to be passed that any female youths caught on abortion have to be remind to prison so that the fair will make them to reduce the level of abortion in society, people have died many times even uncomfortable lost of souls because of carelessness of unwanted pregnancy and instead of them to deliver their baby and have it, they decide to remove it through abortion.