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Hello,

This is not the usual ban appeal.

I am NOT the owner of the account mentioned in the title (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=139084).

I am here because I am shocked that he was only banned for 7 days as his ban appeal states https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252419.0

Let's lay down some facts :

- User Danydee joined the forum 2013
- He recovered his account late 2019
- He is 90% active in the french board


I won't pretend the french board is all pink and roses, but it was pretty calm except some drama between local trolls and others, but nothing too disturbing.

Danydee is consistently bringing things to the next level.


Danydee is consistently ignoring most rules of the french board and genereal bitcointalk rules. I am not saying all of them are worth a ban, they just show a pattern.

Double posting

https://archive.fo/LX2U8#selection-9133.1-9133.10
https://archive.fo/BFLdM#selection-5745.1-5745.9
https://archive.fo/ISzez#selection-5295.1-5295.6
https://archive.fo/sCJNd#selection-8449.0-8449.5
https://archive.fo/zClJv#selection-745.0-745.4
https://archive.fo/QRt3c#selection-4891.6-4891.13
https://archive.fo/MdazD#selection-7623.8-7623.13

And many many more. While being explained and warned everytime, he keeps at it.

Shitposting / derailing topics

Basically all his posts are meant to go off topic. He bullies, attacks, trolls all the time. In public.
And then there is the

PM harassment

He has been sending me PMs for a while before I block him,

At that point he didn't realize that my avatar really was Emma Stone...

I know for a fact he also sent moderator Halab and handful of aggressive PM's, but it's not my place to disclose them here.
Halab is of course welcome to do so.

Death threats

Few days ago it came to a climax with clear death threats towards yogg, and maybe myself, since his post got deleted before I could read it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.msg54527003#msg54527003


Translation:

Move again and I'll happy take a piss on you!
I don't see why you care, you could've stayed on the ground and answer calmly.
Go check this out if you are a man :  https://pastebin.com/YHVUP5MM

Pastebin translation:

Since you take it like this,
You know what I am going to do to you??
I'll organize his hanging, and make it public 3 days before it happens...

Then you will really be able to take yourself seriously with your shitty copywriters !


Most of his posts are pure gibberish between 2 threats and calling names.


All of these are honestly bearable, what wasn't is what he posted yesterday morning.


All this wasn't enough for Danydee, in clear contempt for any rule he decided to just post a picture of a man with his head bashed in, with no notice, and not post around it whatsoever.

I purposely do not use img tags on this, since nobody should see this without wanting too. I have, and honestly I can't unsee it.

CAREFUL. GORE CONTENT. YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE AN OPEN HEAD. LITTERALLY https://archive.fo/QVVjH

Some big balls guys like Danydee will call me a pussy over this, but there is just so much horror I can take at 8am, drinking my tea browsing bitcointalk.

Safe to say nobody should have to see things like that without wanting to. This doesn't make me want to go on the forum, it just makes me sick, and I know for a fact I am not the only one feeling like this.

A few posts later, Saint-Loup/Yaplatu made the connection we all made in our heads, relating the image with the recent death threat to yogg.

Summary

Danydee shows clear contempt for every single forum rule. Several times a day.
He bullies people per PM which is afaik also ban worthy, I mean you get banned 30d for sending out ad PMs.
And finally he posts death threats and gore content, which gets him a nice 7 days self reflection time.

My proposition is to look at it like a perma ban appeal.
Usually you would want to know if the user is a net positive for the forum.

Here I appeal the temp ban, and want to see if the user is by any chance a net negative for the forum.

IMHO HE IS.

Are you aware that you are evading ban?
You are currently supposed to post only in Meta.

He is also trolling, making my point.

While now in the FR subsection we need to make a complete explanation to the mod to can made a double post   ;D  ;D   Let me laugh




You cutted the message !




Aha!  I will refer about that to emma stone te see if you have the rights for getting her picture on your avatar

D'abord emma stone elle a pas ta dentition de mulet là!  h h,  mais fais moi rire







Non mais sérieux là  ;D  ;D

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  @logyourself,
  I am reacting to accusations against me




  @mamache
 
  When you exposing (facts), better for you prove them first

 
 
 

Yeah the 7 day ban seems like a waste, it won't fix this user. But here is what you can still do if your "appeal" doesn't work. Report ban evasion here, and if by some magic he's still around after the 7-day ban expires keep reporting his posts... he doesn't seem like a person who can calm down so would likely earn a permaban eventually.

Thanks suchmoon, that's the plan, but that way we have a topic to document it and to use as reference for said reports :)

As far as I know Lauda is not evading a ban nor making death threats. Bringing Lauda up in every ban-related thread doesn't make it on topic either. Start your own thread or bump one of many Lauda-related threads.

I'm curious why the decision was made to only issue a temp ban in this case?  Maybe the moderator who made the call can explain?  There might be a good reason for it, but it does seem like an extremely light sentence considering this user's past behavior.



Um, okay.  Tell me, where on this planet are death threats less significant than plagiarism?  I'm just curious, because I recently developed a traveling bug, and would like to create a list of placed to NOT visit.

How is this thread in meta exactly?

I'm about to move it back to reputation.

Can anyone enlighten me why it would be better suited in meta?

Thanks

I'll add my 2 cents to the pot (I'm french, and spend a lot of my time in the FR section).

I took the weekend off and didn't see the death threats and the heated arguments that just happened. So I won't comment on those.

The user Danydee is somewhat sometimes "annoying".
In my case, I don't know if he wants to be my friend or just curious or just a stalker.
He messaged me a few times, trying to guess my name, my job, and my exact location, sometimes just sending a simple "hello" or a "how are you"...
It could have been because of curiosity, to befriend me, to troll  or for some other less acceptable actions.
On the other hand, he also sent me a few messages about sig campaign, free raffle (before the "no PM rule"), so not all bad.
I ignored all the messages, he calmed down and stopped messaging me.

Is a temp ban justified ? I will let the "law-makers" decide.
Are 7 days to much? to little? I don't know. Let the law-maker decide.
But he does change his/her/its behaviour, the next time might be a permaban.

It's about a ban and forum rules, that's probably why. Reputation is more about trading-related reputation, trustworthiness etc. I think for what you're trying to do, the thread has a better chance of being seen by admins in Meta.

I requested a ban, and suggested a permanent ban or a significant temporary ban (I was thinking at least a month). But it's admins/GMs (those who can ban an account) who accept or not the ban and who choose the sanction.
Since it's a case that happens in a local section, it's harder for someone outside that section to judge.
There was a lot of shit on the fan, now the button is on, let's see how far it will go because I'm sure it's not over yet.

Correct me if i am wrong.. but with posting here, he evaded a ban and therefore should be perma banned ?



He did not create this thread about his ban.
This thread is not discussing to lift his ban.

Therefore he simply continued posting. A perma ban seems to be the most logical consequence ?

He started a ban appeal thread (which is fine) and continued posting by participating in this one. [his archived post history here (https://archive.vn/OZSsX)].

So if one day you are banned you will find normal and fair to not be able to defend yourself against an "appeal" asking for a permaban?  ???

If a banned member can't reply to this kind of "appeal", those appeals shouldn't be allowed.  

Arguably you would be right, but I hardly see him getting a perma ban for posting in a topic in meta about his ban. It's more about semantics here. Even if at the time he posted here the topic was in reputation.
Trust me I would like it to happend like you say, but I don't see it happening.

But if anything it shows he doesn't care about any rule.

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Not something that should be discussed here as it is unlikely to happen anyway. Let's focus on if he should be permabanned or not for his actions in general in the french board and more specifically for the death threats and the gore content.

If he was to be banned for posting here, then you could discuss this matter on his appeal thread. Enough. Thanks.

It's important because it can create a precedent affecting all the community.

BTW your translation of his threat is not totally accurate :
doesn't mean but "I'll organize his hanging, and make it public 3 days before it happens with clues of what's going to happen to him .."
He was talking about someone else without saying who.

Thanks for pointing that out. Corrected.

He can defend himself after his 7-day ban expires or he can defend himself in the thread that he already created. The rule is very clear:


A banned member is not allowed to reply to anything else, involving them or not, good or bad, doesn't matter. Granted the enforcement of ban evasion has always been a bit of a joke when it comes to most egregious trolls so he might be able to avoid the ban here, but it would be quite ridiculous to add to the already very generous rule by disallowing discussion of banned users just because they can't reply.

Sounds like you just happened to luck out with this troll, and though your experience with him was relatively benign he obviously likes to poke members with sticks, so to speak.  That's what trolls do, and he seems like a fairly aggressive one at that.  I'm not one of those lawmakers, but I think the dude should be permabanned.  The crap he's pulled justifies it, plus I doubt he's the type of member who would learn anything after just being banned for just a short period of time.

Trolls usually don't.

I've already explained my point of view Suchmoon, and I think it is pretty clear. If this kind of "appeals" are allowed, there is no reason to not allow the accused to be able to defend himself against it. It's an universal democratic principle. Even in North Korea people are allowed to defend themselves, at least in theory.
You say he could defend himself after his 7 days ban, but the "appeal" could also be made after this 7 days...(I'm not talking about random newbie/brand new members here -he's legendary-)

Yes, there is a very simple reason. If you're banned you're not allowed to make posts or send PMs, and there is only one exception to that.


By that logic should everyone be allowed to defend themselves when their post is reported before mods make a decision on it? What does this have to do with being a Legendary?

Mods make a decision. The perp can then appeal if they think the decision is wrong. In this case Danydee already has a ban appeal thread so he surely knows the process and there is no excuse for ban evasion.

Which means nothing since it was a pre merit account.

Again you've stated your offtopic opinion. Please start another thread if you want to keep derailing from the topic, which is, does Danydee deserve a permaban for his doings. Period.

Thank you.

I wasn't talking about that anymore but Suchmoon absolutely wants to talk about this subject and now seems to ask for a ban not for death threats but for ban evasion, as I understand.  ??? At the risk of setting a precedent...

@Suchmoon : the rule doesn't say that a third person has the right to "appeal" either

Yes, I think Danydee should be banned for ban evasion. He replied to this thread, which wasn't even in Meta originally. Perhaps nobody reported, or mods didn't think it's worthy of a ban, not sure.


Ok, now you're just taking the piss. The "third person" (asche in this case) is not banned so obviously the rule about banned users doesn't apply to them. They can create any thread about anything they want as long as they don't break any rules.


I'm sorry, I'll stop feeding the troll.

I disagree with you but I don't call you a troll, gentleman. I'm sorry if my point of view offends you, but as I said earlier, it's my point of view.
I don't think the rule only applies to banned members. I think the rule implies that appeal is not open to everybody but is only reserved to banned members
And that it would be unfair if not.

You can think that any sequence of words can imply anything, alright. We got it.
That is your right, and it constitutes your own personal opinion.

No need to repeat your point over and over.

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I'll add some more context to how exactly the death threat happened, diving a bit into how the French local section functions.
Every now and then, threads get derailed.

Someone (usually the same handful of users) replies off-topic, and someone else replies to that point, further derailing the thread.

When it gets that far away from OP to become a whole new thread, Halab has been splitting these threads into new ones.
Usually the new-born split threads are in "Off-topic".

https://i.imgur.com/lPcFIhm.png
That's a screen of the 2nd page from the Off-topic board.
It happens quite often. Just browse through pages.

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Originally the topic was about "Public keys/private keys", in the "Beginner" section : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250790.0

It was started by a Newbie user who just arrived to Bitcointalk. Similar events happened in other threads started by different Newbie users curious about BTC.

What happened after my last reply in that thread can be found here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.0

It starts with Danydee question me about my relationship to "mamache" ? ??? (originally in the Newbie thread about keys)

In the flow of replies, I posted the following : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.msg54526771#msg54526771
Which translates to :


*: (thread belongs to Danydee)

Danydee replied that I didn't take the question well and insists, that he simply wanted to know if asche is my sister, and that he could PM me about it.

I replied to this that I dislike the fact Danydee think he can do anything, change thread names in the "Newbie" section, and benefiting from his "Legendary" status he should know the general rules of the forum and show a good example.

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Then came this statement in his reply :

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My reply to this :


Following that I left Danydee the following, neutral feedback :

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His following message (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.msg54527003#msg54527003) starts by quoting me saying that we don't care to shit all over since there's the janitor cleaning up, stating that :


And in the same post came the pastebin with the death threat.

I replied with laughter, we carried on for a few posts. Then Halab split and locked the thread.

Danydee then renamed it, moved it somewhere in US boards, to move it back to "Off-topic", rename it "Your mom the beggar" and now it's named "HS 0".

The following day, the gore image popped, with the poll questioning "What does it inspires you ?".

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Also .. How is the following relevant to Danydee's ban appeal thread ? ???
Why does it comes first in the post ? Why make his ban appeal a personal thing ? Is it a sick way to further push threats ?


The picture is irrelevant to the thread, but it is relevant to Bitcoin as it has the Bitcoin logo on it.

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I am concerned that with this user roaming around the board freely, it will remain very difficult to converse and get new users interested in the French local board.

Today, as Saint-Loup's contributions show, the french board suffers from the Brandolini's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law).
("The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.")

Danydee demonstrates it perfectly and this is why I believe it would be a net benefit not to have him around.

Thanks for the context. Looks like "Ignore" could help if/when he comes back after the temp ban. Seems to be shitposting for attention.

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No comment

Thanks.
Yes it is indeed a good idea.
That won't remove the impression of being a big mess to a 1st time visitor, but heh, not my problem.

I am considering to completely remove the French sub-local from my Bitcointalk view.
It's like a vortex sucking me out of my time and energy.

I care, but in the end it isn't my problem if newbies are misinformed;
nowadays my contributions to Bitcoin are going far beyond any kind of reply to a sub local board.

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Indeed. No comment.
This quote comes from a thread; and is within the flow of replies after this post :



Brandolini law's in practice.

Baseless, personal attack after personal attack. It's happening very regularly.
All I tried to do is to vulgarize concepts for a newbie to get a hold of them.

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Alright, so explaining Bitcoin to newbies on Bitcointalk is being religious.
This guy Yaplatu is among the handful of users shitposting all around the French board.

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Yesterday I cared about the French local section to be relevant, to report off-topic, to remain clear and a good entry points for newcomers to get on their crypto journey.

But that doesn't work, it is impossible.

I do not know the situation in other local boards, but I've had enough.

@saint-loup,

I strongly believe you should post in reputation about this matter. This has nothing to do in this topic.

Please stop derailing this thread. It is not meant to discuss your problems.

For what it's worth, looking at the feedback just before yoggs will provide you some information on the why.

It is. And it's not the topic of that thread. Seriously.

Like I give a shit. Posting a death threat on pastebin or whatever it was doesn't make it any better. If you can't refrain from doing that to other users you need to be labeled accordingly. Ideally by getting a permaban but in this case a red trust rating will have to suffice.

This guy also applied to be merit source in his so called merit source application topic.
Looks to me that his story will not end up so nice here, if he continues like this  :-\

You mention another threat in your Feedback, which you reference to this thread. I see some posts have been removed. Did you archive it by any chance?

Or maybe I need to learn how to uses Loyce's viewer one day...

I'm told the issue has been resolved so I removed the red trust. Hopefully that means he's growing up but I'm not holding my breath.

Mine is staying until I see actual improvement.

I simply wanted to document what you witnessed. Can you give me a hint?

Thanks.

If I tell you that is not your business, you are going to claiming what ?  ;D

Grosse !  :P