Danydee ban "appeal" - Please permaban

[asche]

Hello,

This is not the usual ban appeal.

I am NOT the owner of the account mentioned in the title (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=139084).

I am here because I am shocked that he was only banned for 7 days as his ban appeal states https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252419.0

Let's lay down some facts :

- User Danydee joined the forum 2013
- He recovered his account late 2019
- He is 90% active in the french board


I won't pretend the french board is all pink and roses, but it was pretty calm except some drama between local trolls and others, but nothing too disturbing.

Danydee is consistently bringing things to the next level.


Danydee is consistently ignoring most rules of the french board and genereal bitcointalk rules. I am not saying all of them are worth a ban, they just show a pattern.

Double posting

https://archive.fo/LX2U8#selection-9133.1-9133.10
https://archive.fo/BFLdM#selection-5745.1-5745.9
https://archive.fo/ISzez#selection-5295.1-5295.6
https://archive.fo/sCJNd#selection-8449.0-8449.5
https://archive.fo/zClJv#selection-745.0-745.4
https://archive.fo/QRt3c#selection-4891.6-4891.13
https://archive.fo/MdazD#selection-7623.8-7623.13

And many many more. While being explained and warned everytime, he keeps at it.

Shitposting / derailing topics

Basically all his posts are meant to go off topic. He bullies, attacks, trolls all the time. In public.
And then there is the

PM harassment

He has been sending me PMs for a while before I block him,

Mais dis moi, il t'embête pas trop mon harassment ?!


                  

                   

                  

                  

                                

            

       

At that point he didn't realize that my avatar really was Emma Stone...

I know for a fact he also sent moderator Halab and handful of aggressive PM's, but it's not my place to disclose them here.
Halab is of course welcome to do so.

Death threats

Few days ago it came to a climax with clear death threats towards yogg, and maybe myself, since his post got deleted before I could read it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252074.msg54527003#msg54527003

Allez bouge encore, je vais me faire un plaisir de te pisser dessus!
Puis je vois pas pourquoi tu t'emporte,  tu aurais très bien pu garder le sol et répondre tout en restant décent !
Allez va voir ça si t'es un homme: https://pastebin.com/YHVUP5MM

Translation:

Move again and I'll happy take a piss on you!
I don't see why you care, you could've stayed on the ground and answer calmly.
Go check this out if you are a man :  https://pastebin.com/YHVUP5MM

Pastebin translation:

Since you take it like this,
You know what I am going to do to you??
I'll organize his hanging, and make it public 3 days before it happens...

Then you will really be able to take yourself seriously with your shitty copywriters !


Most of his posts are pure gibberish between 2 threats and calling names.


All of these are honestly bearable, what wasn't is what he posted yesterday morning.


All this wasn't enough for Danydee, in clear contempt for any rule he decided to just post a picture of a man with his head bashed in, with no notice, and not post around it whatsoever.

I purposely do not use img tags on this, since nobody should see this without wanting too. I have, and honestly I can't unsee it.

CAREFUL. GORE CONTENT. YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE AN OPEN HEAD. LITTERALLY https://archive.fo/QVVjH

Some big balls guys like Danydee will call me a pussy over this, but there is just so much horror I can take at 8am, drinking my tea browsing bitcointalk.

Safe to say nobody should have to see things like that without wanting to. This doesn't make me want to go on the forum, it just makes me sick, and I know for a fact I am not the only one feeling like this.

A few posts later, Saint-Loup/Yaplatu made the connection we all made in our heads, relating the image with the recent death threat to yogg.

Summary

Danydee shows clear contempt for every single forum rule. Several times a day.
He bullies people per PM which is afaik also ban worthy, I mean you get banned 30d for sending out ad PMs.
And finally he posts death threats and gore content, which gets him a nice 7 days self reflection time.

My proposition is to look at it like a perma ban appeal.
Usually you would want to know if the user is a net positive for the forum.

Here I appeal the temp ban, and want to see if the user is by any chance a net negative for the forum.

IMHO HE IS.

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[logfiles]

Nananananaa
Et c'est ça! on te compare à emma stone !? Hh   
Et pourquoi, sorts tout !  (On veux voir)

Are you aware that you are evading ban?
You are currently supposed to post only in Meta.

[asche]

Are you aware that you are evading ban?
You are currently supposed to post only in Meta.

He is also trolling, making my point.

[DanyBee]

Double posting

While now in the FR subsection we need to make a complete explanation to the mod to can made a double post        Let me laugh

Allez bouge encore, je vais me faire un plaisir de te pisser dessus!
Puis je vois pas pourquoi tu t'emporte,  tu aurais très bien pu garder le sol et répondre tout en restant décent !
Allez va voir ça si t'es un homme: https://pastebin.com/YHVUP5MM

You cutted the message !

PM harassment

Aha!  I will refer about that to emma stone te see if you have the rights for getting her picture on your avatar

D'abord emma stone elle a pas ta dentition de mulet là!  h h,  mais fais moi rire







Non mais sérieux là   








  @logyourself,
  I am reacting to accusations against me




  @mamache
 
  When you exposing (facts), better for you prove them first

 
 
 

[suchmoon]

Yeah the 7 day ban seems like a waste, it won't fix this user. But here is what you can still do if your "appeal" doesn't work. Report ban evasion here, and if by some magic he's still around after the 7-day ban expires keep reporting his posts... he doesn't seem like a person who can calm down so would likely earn a permaban eventually.

[asche]

Yeah the 7 day ban seems like a waste, it won't fix this user. But here is what you can still do if your "appeal" doesn't work. Report ban evasion here, and if by some magic he's still around after the 7-day ban expires keep reporting his posts... he doesn't seem like a person who can calm down so would likely earn a permaban eventually.

Thanks suchmoon, that's the plan, but that way we have a topic to document it and to use as reference for said reports

[suchmoon]

all rules is nothing until lauda is not banned and ban evasion is nothing now

As far as I know Lauda is not evading a ban nor making death threats. Bringing Lauda up in every ban-related thread doesn't make it on topic either. Start your own thread or bump one of many Lauda-related threads.

[DireWolfM14]

Usually you would want to know if the user is a net positive for the forum.

I'm curious why the decision was made to only issue a temp ban in this case?  Maybe the moderator who made the call can explain?  There might be a good reason for it, but it does seem like an extremely light sentence considering this user's past behavior.

it makes sense to ban this user if lauda is still not banned for a more significant crime?

Um, okay.  Tell me, where on this planet are death threats less significant than plagiarism?  I'm just curious, because I recently developed a traveling bug, and would like to create a list of placed to NOT visit.

[asche]

How is this thread in meta exactly?

I'm about to move it back to reputation.

Can anyone enlighten me why it would be better suited in meta?

Thanks

[guigui371]

I'll add my 2 cents to the pot (I'm french, and spend a lot of my time in the FR section).

I took the weekend off and didn't see the death threats and the heated arguments that just happened. So I won't comment on those.

The user Danydee is somewhat sometimes "annoying".
In my case, I don't know if he wants to be my friend or just curious or just a stalker.
He messaged me a few times, trying to guess my name, my job, and my exact location, sometimes just sending a simple "hello" or a "how are you"...
It could have been because of curiosity, to befriend me, to troll  or for some other less acceptable actions.
On the other hand, he also sent me a few messages about sig campaign, free raffle (before the "no PM rule"), so not all bad.
I ignored all the messages, he calmed down and stopped messaging me.

Is a temp ban justified ? I will let the "law-makers" decide.
Are 7 days to much? to little? I don't know. Let the law-maker decide.
But he does change his/her/its behaviour, the next time might be a permaban.

[suchmoon]

Can anyone enlighten me why it would be better suited in meta?

It's about a ban and forum rules, that's probably why. Reputation is more about trading-related reputation, trustworthiness etc. I think for what you're trying to do, the thread has a better chance of being seen by admins in Meta.

[Halab]

I'm curious why the decision was made to only issue a temp ban in this case?  Maybe the moderator who made the call can explain?  There might be a good reason for it, but it does seem like an extremely light sentence considering this user's past behavior.

I requested a ban, and suggested a permanent ban or a significant temporary ban (I was thinking at least a month). But it's admins/GMs (those who can ban an account) who accept or not the ban and who choose the sanction.
Since it's a case that happens in a local section, it's harder for someone outside that section to judge.
There was a lot of shit on the fan, now the button is on, let's see how far it will go because I'm sure it's not over yet.

[bob123]

Correct me if i am wrong.. but with posting here, he evaded a ban and therefore should be perma banned ?

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
[...]
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

He did not create this thread about his ban.
This thread is not discussing to lift his ban.

Therefore he simply continued posting. A perma ban seems to be the most logical consequence ?

He started a ban appeal thread (which is fine) and continued posting by participating in this one. [his archived post history here].

[Saint-loup]

Correct me if i am wrong.. but with posting here, he evaded a ban and therefore should be perma banned ?

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
[...]
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

He did not create this thread about his ban.
This thread is not discussing to lift his ban.

Therefore he simply continued posting. A perma ban seems to be the most logical consequence ?

He started a ban appeal thread (which is fine) and continued posting by participating in this one. [his archived post history here].

So if one day you are banned you will find normal and fair to not be able to defend yourself against an "appeal" asking for a permaban?  

If a banned member can't reply to this kind of "appeal", those appeals shouldn't be allowed.  

[asche]

Correct me if i am wrong.. but with posting here, he evaded a ban and therefore should be perma banned ?

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
[...]
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

He did not create this thread about his ban.
This thread is not discussing to lift his ban.

Therefore he simply continued posting. A perma ban seems to be the most logical consequence ?

He started a ban appeal thread (which is fine) and continued posting by participating in this one. [his archived post history here].

Arguably you would be right, but I hardly see him getting a perma ban for posting in a topic in meta about his ban. It's more about semantics here. Even if at the time he posted here the topic was in reputation.
Trust me I would like it to happend like you say, but I don't see it happening.

But if anything it shows he doesn't care about any rule.

If a banned member can't reply to this kind of "appeal", those appeal shouldn't be allowed.  

Not something that should be discussed here as it is unlikely to happen anyway. Let's focus on if he should be permabanned or not for his actions in general in the french board and more specifically for the death threats and the gore content.

If he was to be banned for posting here, then you could discuss this matter on his appeal thread. Enough. Thanks.

[Saint-loup]

If a banned member can't reply to this kind of "appeal", those appeal shouldn't be allowed.  

Not something that should be discussed here as it is unlikely to happen anyway. Let's focus on if he should be permabanned or not for his actions in general in the french board and more specifically for the death threats and the gore content.

If he was to be banned for posting here, then you could discuss this matter on his appeal thread. Enough. Thanks.

It's important because it can create a precedent affecting all the community.

BTW your translation of his threat is not totally accurate :

Je vais organiser sa pendaison, annoncer ça à J-3 avec des indices de ce qui va lui arriver ..

doesn't mean

I'll organize your hanging, and make it public 3 days before it happens...

but "I'll organize his hanging, and make it public 3 days before it happens with clues of what's going to happen to him .."
He was talking about someone else without saying who.

[asche]

BTW your translation of his threat is not totally accurate :

Thanks for pointing that out. Corrected.

[suchmoon]

So if one day you are banned you will find normal and fair to not be able to defend yourself against an "appeal" asking for a permaban?  

If a banned member can't reply to this kind of "appeal", those appeals shouldn't be allowed.  

He can defend himself after his 7-day ban expires or he can defend himself in the thread that he already created. The rule is very clear:

25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

A banned member is not allowed to reply to anything else, involving them or not, good or bad, doesn't matter. Granted the enforcement of ban evasion has always been a bit of a joke when it comes to most egregious trolls so he might be able to avoid the ban here, but it would be quite ridiculous to add to the already very generous rule by disallowing discussion of banned users just because they can't reply.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is a temp ban justified ? I will let the "law-makers" decide.

Sounds like you just happened to luck out with this troll, and though your experience with him was relatively benign he obviously likes to poke members with sticks, so to speak.  That's what trolls do, and he seems like a fairly aggressive one at that.  I'm not one of those lawmakers, but I think the dude should be permabanned.  The crap he's pulled justifies it, plus I doubt he's the type of member who would learn anything after just being banned for just a short period of time.

But if anything it shows he doesn't care about any rule.

Trolls usually don't.

[Saint-loup]

So if one day you are banned you will find normal and fair to not be able to defend yourself against an "appeal" asking for a permaban?  

If a banned member can't reply to this kind of "appeal", those appeals shouldn't be allowed.  

He can defend himself after his 7-day ban expires or he can defend himself in the thread that he already created. The rule is very clear:

25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

A banned member is not allowed to reply to anything else, involving them or not, good or bad, doesn't matter. Granted the enforcement of ban evasion has always been a bit of a joke when it comes to most egregious trolls so he might be able to avoid the ban here, but it would be quite ridiculous to add to the already very generous rule by disallowing discussion of banned users just because they can't reply.

I've already explained my point of view Suchmoon, and I think it is pretty clear. If this kind of "appeals" are allowed, there is no reason to not allow the accused to be able to defend himself against it. It's an universal democratic principle. Even in North Korea people are allowed to defend themselves, at least in theory.
You say he could defend himself after his 7 days ban, but the "appeal" could also be made after this 7 days...(I'm not talking about random newbie/brand new members here -he's legendary-)