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Bonjour, community. I have quite big experience with Bounty since 2016. It's not only participation, but also creation and managing. And I was always asking my self since 2017 end same question. Why the hell project managers prefer bounty rather than just buying cheap likes, views, followers / subs, comments, saves etc? From my understanding, bounty hunters are not the community of the project they work with. ALl they want to do is to run away with BTC after they sell their tokens.

At the same time, when you buy likes and other stuff, it has many advantages:
1) you do not give tokens to the ones who don't need them
2) buying activities will cost you $ cents
3) the "smart" purchase of likes, views and followers can push you to the social media top (youtube, instagram etc)

And yes, as an example, you may find YouTube views for 10$ per 1,000 views, but it is an insane price. It costs around 1$-2$ normally.

If you were ICO,IEO founder, what would you choose?

LOL, how can do you think buying likes, views and followers is good for the project?
You should know, likes and followers you buyed from someone is not always a real person, probably a bots. Since bounty program is aiming to attract investors for invest in their project. How can a bots will invest in their project? :P

Also bounty program is doesn't require any cost to start distribution (free), this is why many project can easily start a bounty program. You don't need any budget for it, it's different if you buy followers, likes or pay with valuable coins.

Am sure project owners are aware of buying fake likes, views, followers etc but they still opt for bounty,
And if you look at it, the YouTube campaign requires participants to make their own videos sometimes in native language translated in English, you can't buy that.
Social media on the other hand also requires participants to share and like on their own soc med page which means wider audience instead of just liking the page of the project and that's it,
This are my thoughts, maybe there are other reasons why they opt for bounty instead of just buying fake likes, views followers and what have you.

And as for bounty participants not being part of community, I will disagree with you on that, some hunters are mostly part of a project community even after bounty ended.

I would choose the both because they serve their own different functions. One thing about bounty campaign which most people fail to understand is that its a cheaper way of marketing. For you to buy such likes and real followers, it's costlier than using bounty hunters. What I would do as an ICO or IEO project is to get the services of top influencers not the services of hunters.

You are encouraging faking the project's campaign, it's preferable to pay bounty hunters because the majority of them has real followers that will likely invest in a project, projects wants success and they cannot get that if you encourage buying fake views and followers, and please stop blaming bounty hunters they have the right to sell them at any time they wish because they worked for it.

with a such big experience, you should know that buying likes costs money, and bounty hunters are provided with tokens, that could become worthless if the project is not successful, so there is no expenses in the beginning on marketing, that is the one and only advantage of bounty to any other type of marketing (buying likes/views/followers included)
would you accept to be paid in some tokens that could worth something, but there is a high risk of failure?

There's no authenticity with buying those artificial gains in social media. Unlike in bounty, you get to know more about real people engaging in your project. There can be pros and cons for both methods and it depends to your taste how you'll work for your project.

And you know why they choose to have their bounty through their tokens? it costs nothing for developers if they'll pay their tokens to bounty hunters.

After I read all replies, I should explain what mean. I'm not saying bounty hunters are useless, but... no, actually I think this theory can be trustful.  ;D

No, wait, guys. You say that buying likes n views is fake and bla bla bla. But listen, have you ever seen a single Twitter or Facebook account of a "normal" bounty hunter? It's rubbish! Not a single personal post, only retweets of crypto startups. You won't find a single interesting post/tweet, you won't even find a post of Cointelegraph. I understand these people, but, dear CEO/CMO, if you read this, are you sure it worth?

You say that BHs create content and you are right. IMHO, 99% of such content is of low quality. I see the only reason to do it if you use YouTube SEO and promote it by tags. In this case guys looking for 'how to buy bitcoin using cash" would find a crappy (sorry) video, but they will find a solution and use the webpage below the video. I hope not a single CEO/CMO does not rely on audience of BHs YouTube channel. And you know why? Because these guys bought fake subs. So if there's no difference, why not buying subs, views and likes directly and save money?  ;D

But yeah, they do content, you don't pay them now (!) and you save you ICO budget. I understand it. But as usually I have few buts.

But 1: You say, you save money if you use bounty, but why don't you calculate the salary of Bounty Manager? When it's time to distribute the tokens, you will have costs for that. And the main thing is about your token. If it's not s SCAM and you plan to get your token listed on reputable echanges, you should think about your token liquidity i.e. market making. You should be ready to "catch" your token price, cause these guys gonna dump it hard. They did not pay for it and their landlords asking for rent.  ;D

But 2: As mentioned in the first post, we all know websites where you can buy likes etc. I bet you've seen different prices. Today I've seen Telegram "real" members for 25$ per 100 members. Woooooow!!!  ;D You are right, you can buy bots, but you can buy real people as well. There are services where people do minor tasks and get minor money. These services provide it to the webpages that sell you these services. I mean these are real people. Yes, the probability that they will be interested in your content is not much, but still. And there are lots of "fake services" that you can use and benefit from it. E.g. YouTube views. Did you know the most important factor is retention. The higher retention is, the better. Not gonna sell you this idea but it is closely related with YouTube SEO.

So what can you tell me now? ;)

Buying unnatural likes, views and comments will not give the results new projects are looking for even they will be blacklisted by the algorithms of social media networks and search engines because they can track fake and unnatural likes, on the other hand bounty hunters spread the word out about the project and if the product and team is good they do result in attracting good investments for the project so i do not think that these services are even comparable.

What result do you mean? Everyone know about bounty programs and understand there is no interest from BHs. What result do you mean, my friend? Read my last reply. BH's profiles are rubish. These are the same fakes that you buy from SMM Panels.

Well, buying will not give you anything, no one will know about your project.

 bounty propagation is sometimes successful if the right approach is used.

Buying likes,followers or views are against the respective social medias and their accounts will get suspended in no time so people who think they can easily get good stakes buy spending few dollars will left with nothing at the end of the campaign and more reputed managers check all those works individually so it is possible for them to identify which one is fake and real.

Guys you are telling the things you are not experts in. Sorry. :)

If you own a YouTube channel, in order to go for monetization, you need not only the views, but watchtime. If you buy watchtime, you will get your YouTube account monetized. And i'm not saying it because I read it in Reddit from anonym. It is my practice.

If you want to go for YouTube SEO, buy high retention views. YouTube sees your audience watches your video at least for 75% and your video will be higher in YouTube search.

Instagram – same.
Whateever social network – same.

They analyze your content according one simple question – do people find your content interesting enough to stay at YouTube/Instagram for long time? If yes, they will help you to get higher. They have their own interest to see ads. If you help them to keep people at their portals, great. It's a win-win situation. You keep people at, e.g. YouTube, they give you traffic.

And now tell me, how BHs can help you? Please mind, I consider only social activity in Social Media.If they do content, fine, let them do it. I mean you, CEO/CMO, use Bounty programs smarter.

Buying likes and views or likes and comments won't get you far and will likely do more harm than any good to your product and project. This is like setting yourself out for destruction. Prospective investors will find this out and back out almost immediately without spending a dime on investments. You should always try to use your community to engage potential investors wisely instead of having bots faking it. Once investors see real community members engaging and discussing about the project and of course making the supposed brand wider and adoptable, .

Lol that just like you were buying bot that can be banned anytime. So many bots accounts have been getting banned and that's the worst thing that I have ever seen these days.

You were saying like that just like you were a part of the youtube team before lol  :D

It's not so simple as you said.

I have seen the scam ico projects that have been buying the telegram members and it's just like a dead group and then it's dead.  :D

I think we can grow our numbers in the social networks with the right amount of money, but most of this kind of service will bring bots to our accounts, so, is no sense to have 1M followers and to not be able to sell your products. There is where you will realize abut bots.

In the past i used to grow twitter accounts, i have some accounts with more than 10k followers, but when i post from those accounts the interaction is really low.

So, what i have learned is that i prefer to have 50 real followers than to have 1,000,000 bots following me.

I think it boils down to result, bounties give the results vs buying likes, views, follower etc. If it is not effective then I'm sure there will be no projects that will use bounties here in the community. And so far we haven't seen bounties slowing down, and even in the bear market, project still utilise them. Youtube is also good no doubt about it, but it is more complicated though, specially targeting audience. And there should also be a follow-up video, so projects after paying the Youtube influencer? that's it, in order to do some follow-up, they have to pay them again. So retention is hard in Youtube as compare to bounty signature campaigns.

Project owners or managers want what is good for their projects and they know what they should go for. Had it been buying all those likes, views, comments and the likes will be helpful, they would not have needed the service of bounty hunters who are the real humans.
Projects need something real to achieve their aim. They need real people who are bounty hunters, that would promote their projects for them in the most effective way.

Bounty hunters will share your tweets or posts with real users interested in cryptocurrencies (targeted audience) unlike when buying likes/views. Those who sell likes usually use click farms and fake accounts which may harm your business.

But the main reason behind choosing bounty hunters over buying likes is that project owners don't have to spend any money since they will pay them with their shitcoin that they created out of thin air.

You said that you have been in bounty since 2016, but your account was created in 2019. How could you be active before creating this account?  

Well, you're right.
First, buying likes, comments,s and whatever you said, maybe not effective, or sometimes really not effective. That is why the bounty is not the only way to promote the projects.
Bounty will help to spread the project, at least, it can be spread around the world (if it relates to social media bounty). If the members have big followers with high likes, views, and others, probably they are not all real people, but, I am sure that among them, there are real followers that will at least see the projects and be interested in it. So, it may not be the most effective way, but it can help to spread the project, to let more and more people know the projects.

If you really want to make great promotion, so I will prefer to choose to hire Youtube content that is popular and trusted with high views (not a bot but real person related to crypto). It will be more effective.

You as a bounty hunter should know the answers already.
Buying views and all of that won't give the project the right audience/result they want. And also, this project owners sometimes don't have lot of funds to start this except they raise money from ICO/IEO and for them to be able to, they allocate some percentage from their supply(which doesn't have a worth because it's not listed or trading) to bounty promotion because it cost them nothing.
Bounty hunters will help them get what they want almost at the price of nothing because no value for the token yet.

If they use this approach for their project then I believe that 100% they will fail. They don't have any real followers and no people invest in the project. The main purpose of bounty is to impact many people and make them aware of the project and invest in it

What Jawhead said in this post is quite true: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253749.msg54572591#msg54572591 . I am also a Bounty manager and would like to add some more reasons. Project managers don't have enough time to promote. Its very hard to keep on promoting in different platforms and in such short time. Second is "audience", a single man or individual can't cover a big audience as group of people do. Third is "buzz" the buzz created by bounty participants is much more real than the buzz created by project social handles.

that is because there are indeed very few bounty participants who also participate in investments in the same project. when there is no strong community support, a bounty hunter will not be good either. even though they were successfully registered in the exchange, I'm sure soon they will be discarded.

I think there is no comparison of Bounty VS Buying likes, Followers, retweet. As every one knows The project start any bounty program has no cost as the project owner pays the rewards from the token/coins and get real investors as all the hunters are real and promote on their real accounts with good followers. Buying followers, retweet or likes is almost done by bots and the project will need real money to purchase and why he will do it as it is totally loss of money and no investors will come as the bots will do it.

Buying likes, followers and retweet is worse, how will they conduct that? This won't have better impact on the project itself compare to using Bounty hunters, it seem you are one of those who belief that bounty campaigns have no effect on new projects, well it's all lies, bounty campaigns still attracts investors to this day, way better than your option

Yes, if they buy followers, I believe that with only $ 1,000 they can get more than 10,000 followers. But 99% of them are bot or fake account, it will not be able to make their project popular in this market. Bounty will be the best option to educate people about their projects

this one is the right answer, it will not give them the right target for the project they are creating if they are just buying a followers and most of them is fake and not real people  so how will you start a project if you don't have the potential investors that you need to start.

Besides that, Team main purpose is to spread the name of project thru the used legit social account and gather an organic impression. The only problem about bounty hunters nowadays are most of them are using multiple account and there followers/friend are products of follow back service or some random dummy account. Technically speaking it's still the same result. The only advantage of bounty campaigns are as you said, they can pay in the project token itself.

I stop participating bounty campaign especially social media because I notice that most of participants are cheaters and there social media account is not legit. It's really frustrating to see that you will get a penny after a month of participation.

Projects do not want robots as they do not attract investors or help in creating a community. Projects need people to create a community and attract investors. This community is created using the help of Bounty hunters.

So you must keep in mind that not all bounty hunter are there for the reward, some of them are real believers in the project. Therefore bounties are a good way to give something back to your early believers and strengthen the community. Besides this you might attract new project admirers within your bounty participants if they really interact with the project.

It's so funny to answer same questions again and again.  ;D
But I understand all those BH here  :)

Hey it's like you ask for a poll and everyone gave their opinion on the poll it's not the same answer it's just their own opinion apart from the opinion of others, you are just saying this because you lost your case, so I see you are providing fake views and fake hype, no wonder.

True, it isn't any different than direct buying likes, shares, and views anymore. I think some bounty managers know quite well about it but they don't care too since as long as it helps the pr process. Like you, I also stop doing any social media bounty since you can't win against one person with their bot accounts. Still, buying likes, shares, and such are 'underground option' that project never going to do it at public.

Because bounties are literally free promotions, you create tokens out of thin air and pay them for the services of bounty hunters. And people who run ICO/IEO don't care about the price of their token, they get their money with the initial sale, after it ends their job is done and they can ride into the sunset while suckers are left with bags that will become worthless rather soon.

But high profile altcoins can be easily employing directly paid promoters/bots, XRP is infamous for having an army of twitter bots, and I'm sure projects like TRON or EOS have something like that too.

This could be a reason why we see a decrease in number of bounty campaigns, but also in the number of bounty participants. Bounty participants that are more skilled are promoting other business in a more professional way and the ICO projects are using new ways how to attract investors.

Op is still not yet know that most of the views, likes and comment being sold by the smtp platform are not organic,they are delivered by the bots.You can buy as many views as you like on some platforms such as followiz but they have zero influence on your token sales. Even some platforms such as youtubes now recognized that there are bot softwares used to gain more likes, views and comments on video and they have started removing them and possibly ban the accounts. It is better to run ads on crypto related platforms than buying views but many of them will rather choose bounty option because it is generally cheap.

Buying likes, views, followers and kind stuff like these will kill the project itself. Because that will be detected as spam from the socia media platform. When it started, that many same activities in a time and people who just watch it will report that as spam. So, that buying property like this only take money.
Marketing team created a campaign isn't for selling token only, they also build a community to support them.

Bounty campaigns are not only about follow, like, comment. Bounty is given for contains making, blog writing, white paper and page translation, signature campaigning, tweet and retweet, FB share and posting. All of these can't be manged with cheap like, or viewers.   

Certainly, that's not true. They become part of the community. If not, then why ICO,IEO giveaway some tokens in terms of airdrop or telegram campaign ?

This is more effective and right on target. By using advertising services on large platforms related to crypto, it will definitely give a good image to potential investors. At least, the project is serious in promoting, for the sake of the project's progress.
Holding a bounty campaign is a popular way. Whether cheap or not, I think it's very relative, many factors make it change. Seeing the number of projects that have also utilized the bounty to date, this means that this is a fairly effective way to promote the project, as well as forming a large community.

What do you think is much better? Doing an organic bounty campaign with real time promotions or just a fake views and sub for your project? If you want your project to grow, you dont need some nasty ads that has been faking the views. It will not help your project at all. Check how many project got rekt due to their style of marketing, using bumping service for fake comments? What does it gain? Nothing actually if you will only rely on some sort of spam or shilling.

This is right. Doing a bounty campaign helps the project to form a large community. Also, it helps creating credits. Investors can look at the roadmap of a bounty campaign and the number of investors follow along the project to determine it's credibility.

I never thought that buying likes and followers is a good choice for promotion. What is needed is that they need to market to many investors around the world. That's why they pay for Signature campaigns, Content campaigns and Video campaigns so much in the total pool of bounty. because they know that quality articles and videos will help their projects find new investors. Social media platforms are now just cheats, bounty hunters often buy likes and views a lot.

Buying fake likes,followers will not bring any good thing for the project.But with the help of bounty you can make big interest to the crypto people.Before many project has become internet sensation because of their large bounty and airdrop.They have gained lots of followers and attract the big investors and their project has become trending topic.

Through the bounty,project can reach to the bigger audience than some paid promotions.Now projects are running bounty to gain trust and make people aware about the project.Then they set their IEO in different exchanges.     

True! Nowadays, a lot of projects choose to do bounty instead of buying fake views, followers, likes, etc. The reason is that the bounty campaign brings a lot of advantages to the project. It brings audiences, followers, a huge community to the project. Also, it helps the project gain credibility with investors.

Mostly of bought followers and views are easy too see, with some tools we can check if they are real or not, so it not worth trying to use you only gonna loose money.

I have never seen projects buy followers in their media channels. All choose bounty to create a real community for the project. It will help their projects get the attention of many investors and impact those who really care about cryptocurrencies.