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Title: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on November 23, 2011, 03:27:07 AM
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Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: bb113 on November 23, 2011, 03:35:38 AM
As of right now its a multiple of 4. Can you see when each vote came in? Like to compare general forum vs. speculation?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on November 30, 2011, 11:15:38 PM
near all time highs.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 12:25:05 AM
NEW ALL TIME HIGH    76.4%:23.6%


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 12:36:39 AM
yet another new high.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 12:37:38 AM
76.9:23.1


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: antoineph on December 01, 2011, 12:38:52 AM
what's the sample size? Is that just from 1 click?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 12:42:08 AM
77.1:22.9


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 01:06:26 AM
77.2:22.8


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 01:07:04 AM
oops

77.4:22.6


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: BTCurious on December 01, 2011, 08:51:41 AM
what's the sample size? Is that just from 1 click?
The current percentages indicate a multiple of 40 clicks.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: RodeoX on December 01, 2011, 02:35:45 PM
73.8% bullish
There does seem to be a new enthusiasm for bitcoin recently.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
ALL TIME HIGH:  78.2:21.8


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 01, 2011, 03:28:57 PM
Won't stop climbing just like the price :)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: S3052 on December 01, 2011, 10:27:56 PM
New all time high here: above 80% bullishness

http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/index.html (http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/index.html)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on December 01, 2011, 11:00:31 PM
New all time high here: above 80% bullishness

http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/index.html (http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/index.html)

When everyone thinks alike, there isn't much thinking going on..

Look out for the contrarian investors :)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: old_engineer on December 02, 2011, 12:15:21 AM
Another bullish sign: difficulty is forecast to go up, and likely mining rigs that were turned off are going back online.  This could just be the change in season in the US with the first cold weather snap of the year, so bitcoin mining is just serving double duty by helping to warm houses, too.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: ineededausername on December 02, 2011, 12:25:13 AM
Another bullish sign: difficulty is forecast to go up, and likely mining rigs that were turned off are going back online.  This could just be the change in season in the US with the first cold weather snap of the year, so bitcoin mining is just serving double duty by helping to warm houses, too.


Just recently hashing growth rate went to 2%, the first time in months!


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: old_engineer on December 02, 2011, 12:53:56 AM

Just recently hashing growth rate went to 2%, the first time in months!

I've seen this graph at http://bitcoin.sipa.be , but it only covers a couple of months:
http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-10k.png

Are there historical hash rate graphs somewhere?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 02, 2011, 01:24:29 AM
New all time high here: above 80% bullishness

http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/index.html (http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/index.html)

my Sentiment Indicator just cleared 80 as well:  80.1:19.9


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: bittenbob on December 02, 2011, 03:28:33 AM
Another bullish sign: difficulty is forecast to go up, and likely mining rigs that were turned off are going back online.  This could just be the change in season in the US with the first cold weather snap of the year, so bitcoin mining is just serving double duty by helping to warm houses, too.


Its just about winter here in Canada too. I know I am enjoying the extra heat from my computer. I even have the CPU mining since its always so cold in here, I dont pay for my electricity and my landlord decided to jack my rent unfairly. Considering this winter is supposed to be colder than normal I cant say I have any plans to stop mining regardless of the price lol. And I dont even have to go out and buy an electric heater!


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
All Time High


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: proudhon on December 11, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
All Time High

Wait?  What?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: julz on December 11, 2011, 01:15:36 PM

'All Time High' sounds like a shot way too far... there are surely enough people burned by past highs to do some pretty heavy selling into any irrational exhuberance..   but I wouldn't be surprised to see it sneak past $4 this week before settling a bit.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 03:54:32 PM
please check out my blog.  i've got a reward posted up.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: antoineph on December 11, 2011, 04:06:52 PM
please check out my blog.  i've got a reward posted up.

post 100000?? you mean view 100000.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 04:09:19 PM
please check out my blog.  i've got a reward posted up.

post 100000?? you mean view 100000.

duh, you're correct.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 04:50:48 PM
another new high


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: BTCurious on December 11, 2011, 05:04:49 PM
another new high
In the view count? Really? :P


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 05:05:42 PM
another new high
In the view count? Really? :P

no, sentiment indicator


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 06:44:59 PM
new high at 81.3


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: julz on December 11, 2011, 06:48:46 PM
ok.. this sentiment indicator means zip to me currently. How does it work? where is it explained?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 07:06:09 PM
ok.. this sentiment indicator means zip to me currently. How does it work? where is it explained?


i think i've designed it similar to the CBOE Put:Call ratio of index options which is a very simple, but very popular sentiment indicator for the stock market.

its simply the number of bulls to bears.  i should calculate the ratio to be more exact but the poll powered by Vizu doesn't have that capability.  their algorithm also controls how often you can vote which by my observations seems to be around twice a day or so.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 07:39:39 PM
new high 81.4


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on December 11, 2011, 07:56:31 PM
another new high?  81.5.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: julz on December 12, 2011, 02:21:29 AM
ok.. this sentiment indicator means zip to me currently. How does it work? where is it explained?


i think i've designed it similar to the CBOE Put:Call ratio of index options which is a very simple, but very popular sentiment indicator for the stock market.

its simply the number of bulls to bears.  i should calculate the ratio to be more exact but the poll powered by Vizu doesn't have that capability.  their algorithm also controls how often you can vote which by my observations seems to be around twice a day or so.

Oh.. So it is some sort of survey.
I saw some graphic box on the right of your site indicating the percentages - but I didn't see how to contribute to the poll.
On further investigation I see you have to click 'comment'.   How utterly un-intuitive.

I guess your poll is highly skewed to those who are really *keen* to dig around to participate. 




Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 04, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
hits 82 for first time.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: BTCurious on January 04, 2012, 09:18:34 PM
I guess your poll is highly skewed to those who are really *keen* to dig around to participate.
That wouldn't matter if you compare it to previous results of the poll: It's still higher than ever.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 04, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
82.4


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 04, 2012, 10:48:09 PM
82.7


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: Gabi on January 04, 2012, 10:49:16 PM
Voted, 82.9 now


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: Crypt_Current on January 04, 2012, 11:15:56 PM
So like uhm, this isn't a contrarian indicator... yet?  right?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 05, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
83


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 05, 2012, 12:22:02 AM
so quiet around here.  looks like everyone went to the bank to get their USD's over to mtgox.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: bitcoinBull on January 05, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
So like uhm, this isn't a contrarian indicator... yet?  right?

Right, not yet.  S3025 explained that when sentiment matches the trend, you get third wave behavior.  He's talking about a wave down in his example, but its equally true for waves up.

I see your point that news are overall very bearish even in mainstream, but this fits to the third wave behavior.. third waves are "the point of recognition" where finally all is negatie AND prices fall (and the contrarian view does not work anymore, expect for short term bounces from oversold conditions)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: Crypt_Current on January 05, 2012, 12:26:29 AM
So like uhm, this isn't a contrarian indicator... yet?  right?

Right, not yet.  S3025 explained that when sentiment matches the trend, you get third wave behavior.  He's talking about a wave down in his example, but its equally true for waves up.

I see your point that news are overall very bearish even in mainstream, but this fits to the third wave behavior.. third waves are "the point of recognition" where finally all is negatie AND prices fall (and the contrarian view does not work anymore, expect for short term bounces from oversold conditions)

Stellar!


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: bitcoinBull on January 05, 2012, 12:37:50 AM
Stellar!

Looks like the rise is starting to accelerate; we'll probably gap up.  Too much faster and we'll go parabolic (even on a log scale).

Its at the end of a trend when the sentiment is a contrarian indicator.  That's when you get the fifth and final wave before the reversal.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 05, 2012, 12:40:39 AM
just remember things don't look so imposing when you look at it this way.
we got WAY oversold due to shorting:

https://i.imgur.com/UQnYV.png


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: ineededausername on January 05, 2012, 12:48:04 AM
just remember things don't look so imposing when you look at it this way.
we got WAY oversold due to shorting:

https://i.imgur.com/UQnYV.png

Now Nagle's going like, "oh wait, that's not how a bubble is supposed to chart!"  ;D


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: bitcoinBull on January 05, 2012, 12:54:13 AM
One other thing: the weekly dollar volume.  The current week has already surpassed recent ones by going over $2m.  But it just started on Jan 2.  By the time the week is over, the dollar volume could be in the top three for the year.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 05, 2012, 12:58:06 AM
looks like everyone's back from the bank!!!!!


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: sgbett on January 05, 2012, 03:33:08 AM
i think it looks a bit more imposing when you look at at this way...

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=360&i=Daily&c=1&s=2011-01-11&e=2012-01-06&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=SMA&m1=30&a2=SMA&m2=144&x=0&i1=RSI&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=1&ps=0&l=1&p=0&

we should have tested 1 on the way down imho, but all the serious volume didn't start until the first bubble was up around $5-$10, that means there is an awful lot of people who think that $2 is a bargain.

So maybe ~$2 is resistance now. It's getting pretty hard to stick to my conviction that we are going down again before we go back up, I'm dying to jump on board this train!!!

Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: ineededausername on January 05, 2012, 03:38:35 AM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 05, 2012, 03:40:28 AM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.

its the former. i lived thru the Spring minute by minute and this is exactly the same, except this time we go further.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: proudhon on January 05, 2012, 03:43:14 AM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.

its the former. i lived thru the Spring minute by minute and this is exactly the same, except this time we go further.

I don't see any reason why we're going to go further.  I could see the price getting to $10, but I expect more profit taking this time.  What makes you think we're going further?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: cypherdoc on January 05, 2012, 03:46:44 AM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.

its the former. i lived thru the Spring minute by minute and this is exactly the same, except this time we go further.

I don't see any reason why we're going to go further.  I could see the price getting to $10, but I expect more profit taking this time.  What makes you think we're going further?

read my blog.  the amount of fiat money circulating round the world is enormous.  and we're about to pump it up even more.  Bitcoin is such a tiny mkt now but yet a revolutionary idea that fits well with the internet age.

the gold and silver mkt is done, the euro is in trouble, the Fed is about to embark on QE3 so ppl are looking for a store of value.  Bitcoin is IT.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: Litt on January 05, 2012, 03:49:14 AM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.

its the former. i lived thru the Spring minute by minute and this is exactly the same, except this time we go further.

Missing an opportunity of a lifetime... I don't know if I could just go meh and forget about it.  ;)

I'm sure a lot of people are already going "meh" about not buying at $5 when they had the chance earlier today. Forget last Oct-Dec..


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: sgbett on January 05, 2012, 03:57:27 AM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.

its the former. i lived thru the Spring minute by minute and this is exactly the same, except this time we go further.

So everyone keeps saying... *everyone* - that seems a bit too bullish for me.

My long term holdings remain intact (lucky enough to acquire those at ~$1) Not quite as many as I'd like, I was aiming to add to them but I ended up with all US Dollars with the whole move from bitcoinica, once I'd got it all back on gox things were starting to look a bit price at $5 so i just set my bids and wait. Shame none of them got filled :D

I can't really buy now, If I miss out on profits in a rally from 6-10 I've missed out on a 66% opportunity. A bit disappointing.

If I can pick up some coin around $2-$3 and then take it to $10, that would be far more exciting! This is just my play money we are talking about here after all :)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: bitcoinBull on January 05, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
I don't see any reason why we're going to go further.  I could see the price getting to $10, but I expect more profit taking this time.  What makes you think we're going further?

I'm also concerned about topping at $10, but not overly concerned for a couple of reasons.  First is that the vast majority of the "profit taking" will be USD that stays in play; sellers will use it to accumulate more bitcoins on a dip.  Secondly, I think the market is much healthier now (compared to April-June 2011), because there is much more automated market making.  I'm not sure to what extent there was any back then.  The market makers now are smarter, more experienced, and very well funded.

Additionally, this time the market already has a history with a range of an all-time-high of $32 and had the time to find its bottom at $2.  Those were two completely unknowns before.  If the long-term trend is up, then the new bottom will be higher than $2, take $5 or $10 as low estimates.  If this wave doesn't bring a new all-time-high, then I would expect the market to trade in the $5/$10-$32 range for a while before it makes a longer-term decision.

Another factual difference is that the April-June 2011 rally started from a new all-time-high of $1.10.  This rally is simply reversing a downtrend that started at $32, so in all likelihood it should pass $10 even easier than before.  And I would expect it to make new highs sooner or later, if the long-term trend is up.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Sentiment Indicator
Post by: Gabi on January 05, 2012, 12:05:35 PM
Patience and discipline, just gotta keep telling myself.... and if i'm wrong well... meh

If you're wrong, you just missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

If you're right, well... meh.  It will go up again.

its the former. i lived thru the Spring minute by minute and this is exactly the same, except this time we go further.

Missing an opportunity of a lifetime... I don't know if I could just go meh and forget about it.  ;)

I'm sure a lot of people are already going "meh" about not buying at $5 when they had the chance earlier today. Forget last Oct-Dec..
Expect a lot of threads about whining about the EARLY ADOPTERS "omgomg they bought btc at 2$, it's unfair, now it's 10$!!!!"