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The UK has announced an increase in the lockdown restrictions. This is obviously intended to reduce the spread of immunity, and this follows billions of pounds of taxpayers money being given to the Pharma companies for vaccines. Several reports have stated that vaccines that are getting close to natural immunity are possible, but these seem to be based on synthetic viruses. Why not just go for the free immunity that nature gives us. I understand that it has become difficult to test covid products as so many people have natural immunity, and there aren't many people who are infected at the moment. They are getting round this by requiring self isolation for people with symptoms rather than the virus infection. The number of associated symptoms are being increased as well.

It all seems like a government panic as people are starting to realise that covid-19 is not the problem that they pretended it was/is.

I'm pretty sure through all of this you're pretty much saying that people in lockdown are unable to get herd immunity,, which is a reason that the virus hasn't gone away yet? Maybe some conspiracy stuff thrown in about how the government is trying to kill the economy by making up this virus or some shit like that.

You do understand that for herd immunity to be effective you need around 70-80% of the population to get COVID. Which means that the amount of people in every country (and int he world) who are going to die is tremendous. Like millions of people are going to die if we just say 'fuck it, we'll just stop all of this and let everyone get it'

People don't fully understand how bad herd immunity is. Vaccine is a much better option in terms of the amount of people dead / sick / etc. Not even talking about the overflowing hospitals we would have if we went about doing this.

I think the animal's system will become ineffective because doctors are unable to stop it in any way With the spread of coronavirus social infections across the country and therefore the number of infections and deaths breaking new records a day the govt isn't showing any initiative to realize the important goal of testing many people for corona. Although the treatment of the coronavirus has been credited in various ways since the onset of the coronavirus epidemic within the world all achievements in coronary tests and health care in Lezgobar seem to be failing Everything will become more ineffective until the vaccine is out there.

vaccines and herd immunity rely on the exact same mechanism: the immune system develops anti-bodies that recognize the proteins protruding from the virus



no evidence exists that any such thing would happen. evidence quite to the contrary does (countries with high death rates were simply recording SARS-Cov2 deaths incorrectly, the actual typical death rate is similar to that of seasonal influenza)


it's a basic fact of epidemiology that deadly pathogens don't spread well, and that as pathogens become more benign they spread faster, e.g.

• ebola, guarantee of death is high, spread very poorly
• influenza, very low death rate, spreads so pervasively that it's a fact of life for everyone

sorry to interrupt your death-cult doomsday nonsense, but the facts are (sadly) quite simple

I gather that all causes deaths are at a 5 year low - that doesn't fit with a deadly pandemic. They keep adding symptoms to the infection indicators. Pretty soon they will add dirty fingernails, and then report that anyone with dirty finger nails has died from the virus. One of the reasons that the virus is able to allow people to die from other causes is the rise of vaccinations, and the destruction of natural health. Also I suspect that the real count of deaths from the virus is pretty low, and as the immunity spreads, it will leave traces that allow for misreporting.

You should also consider factors like malnutrition. The body does what it can to protect life, and if it can't get enough nutrition, then it starts to shut down various functions. Unfortunately the immune system is one of the earliest victims of this shutdown, and this is why some of the undeveloped countries have an increase in deaths.

[NOTE} Trust me I'm not a doctor, and haven't been indoctrinated by Pharma propaganda.

Gone are the days when mass people feared the covid-19 virus, come-on how do they expect the people to live on luck down -until when- -through out the year?-
Reports has it many vaccines are reaching going from stage to stage, I think this can make the government instill more fear till the pharmaceutical industry comes up with something,
In old time we can't say viruses and infective micro-organism never existed but they tackled it -they did not have the chemicals and sophisticated laboratory- as we can see today, natural remedies was a prize to them. Even if a vaccine to covid-19 is found in some years another contagious disease/sickness surges up, do we then go back again to finding vaccines for it, precious time that will cost some infected people their life's as we see with the covid-19 virus. Our immunity is there Incase of advent of sickness or invaders, nature has in it effective power to boost immunity and remedies for sickness. Covid-19 is not the beginning of sickness and will not be the end.

Even if vaccines and herd immunity perform the same function in the body, they do not quite follow the same process, for herd immunity, you'll expect quite a large percentage of the population to contract the virus and well, anyone who survives it, then gets the immunity; but in the case of a vaccine, you do not need to have contracted the virus to get vaccinated, hence it somewhat reduces the fatality risks, whereas for herd immunity, the risks of deaths are very high.

How are they going to find people who haven't had contact with the virus for vaccination? I suspect most people will have had contact by now, so they will need to vaccinate those with natural immunity to cover their investment. This has the added benefit for them that it could generate cytokine storms, and thus foster the myth of the deadly disease. It also allows them to add their organ destruction additives to the vaccine. I wonder if the vaccine released for the sheeple will be the same as the one that underwent the so-called tests.

Particularly about covid 19 the mortality rate is very low and people died for other reasons as well after infected with virus but still most of the government report it as covid 19 death.Here in my place few people got infected but they found that they are completely okay now in only one week of time so this is not a deadly virus to lock the whole world inside their house.

Maybe the jackbooted stormtroopers could be put to work on this job. I hear they have not had much work lately, and they too have families to support.

For a while it looked like Antifa would hire them, but they found aging, derelict Occupy protestors living in storm sewers who would riot for almost nothing, just enough to buy some drink and weed.

Then it seemed like the stormtroopers could get work defending federal buildings against Antifa violent operations, but no....

So that's my suggestion. Squads of them going house to house searching.

70-80 % of people have to get the Coronavirus for herd immunity to be effective, right? That means that there are going to be a massive increase in the amount of hospitalizations, infections, deaths, and so on and so forth.

Even in the most conservative estimates of hospitalizations, with 70% of the population getting it, you'd still be overflowing hospitals and having some people dying solely due to the overflow.

Informed opinion seems to believe that 70-80% of the population already has immunity. That seems to be herd immunity, but the government seems to have not-heard-immunity.

Covid doesn't kill, but lockdowns, unemployment and debts do. ( and masks :) ).

What is 'informed opinion'?

Is there a source on that? Is anyone else repeating that claim who has any credentials in the world of medicine, science, etc?

COVID does kill.

Obviously lock downs, unemployment and debt does as well. But you can't fully reopen an economy if COVID is still ravaging on and killing people. The economy can't recover unless this is gone, we're just going to continue to have to lockdown every so often if outbreaks continue.

Also - What's wrong with masks?

There don't seem to be any stats for covid deaths, only deaths from people with covid symptoms.

Masks extend the recovery time through reinfection, and can cause a variety of problems such as hypoxia. They also provide a convenient protective hiding place for the virus.

Is there any evidence that covid kills? All causes mortality seems to be reducing in countries that don't suffer from malnutrition. That is counter intuitive if you believe that covid is deadly.

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I don't believe I'm seeing very effective use of masks on the streets, so let's see where that leads.

Assuming 10% already have immunity, then to get 60% more over 12 weeks say with 1 week sickness each person...

For a million people that's 600,000/12 = 50k. If 1/3 require hospitalization, then that's 17k in the hospital per 1M people. Obviously, that's not happening.

But I'm not seeing effective mask use, so what gives?

Obviously one of the numerical parameters is wrong or the calculation is wrong.

Actually, this lockdown has given a lot of hardships to those that are already below the poverty level. As they have very limited means of earning money for their food, and a lot of them are suffering from other diseases not this covid. And the government can't satisfy all their needs. We expect more deaths not owed to covid but malnutrition??  ::)

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government have said. if your sick or if came into contact with someone sick stay home. and said stay home for 10 days minimum..
why.
because you can be sick for a few weeks. so the minimum is the important part. it does not mean maximum
many idiots get sick. and were going back to work after the 7th day because that was the old limit. and even if they were still coughing and have a fever they would say they are ok to work because the deadline has passed

its not about the numerical number a government decides. its about dont go out until you are well. and i mean actually well.. not hiding the symptoms with symptom hiding meds.

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the natural virus has a faster incubation and also can cause more damage.
yes people get sick.
if there was no sickness then jetcash would not care about obtaining immunity. because if no one got sick no one would care.
but jetcash does know that people get sick.. he tries to not admit it on this form. but deep down he knows.
he also knows some basic maths.. but again denies knowing maths on the forum but deep down he knows if too many people get sick at any one time it would over run the healthcare.

i still laugh even now how he wants people to cluster together and lick each others face to get sick.. but then pretends they dont get sick. but then says its important they get sick so that they are immune

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here is the thing though.. risking getting immune via the natural virus comes with the risk of the sickness that comes with the natural virus

yes 50% of those that get infected can brush it off.. another 30% can just have a week or 2 off work and stay home and they get better. but 10-20% may need hospital care.

we have not got enough health care capacity for 10% in a fortnight
we dont even have healthcare for 1% in a fortnight
at best. if all healthcare was shifted to just treating covid people there would be 0.25% capacity for 2 weeks
meaning.. even if everybed was for covid
the best hope would be 40 fortnights (80 weeks)(subtract the current LOW rates already passed.. still leaves 70+weeks  BEST HOPE with EVERY NHS resource diverted to covid)

but because only a certain amount of beds are capable of handling it. then it would be longer

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the thing you should not be blaming is some conspiracy that the virus is fake.
but that the government did not invest in more beds in hospitals
in the 1980's UK NHS had 300k bed capacity. more recently its more like 150k.
half as many beds. thus doubling the problems before they even start.
if NHS had say 650k beds and dedicated them all to covid. then there would be a 1% a fortnight. meaning best case scenario 10 fortnights (20 weeks) and hospitals can cope with the 10% sickness and needing care rate

so instead of playing the ignorant teenager that doesnt know real politics/economics/maths
how about understand that if you actually wanted to be antigov/pro-economy. you would be asking the government to stop wasting money on silly london city landscaping and billionaire bailouts. and instead invest in healthcare which would have meant no lockdowns were needed

as for the rise in cases
guess what folks
idiots went to work and school and didnt follow the personal space respect advice. then they went to protests where it spread to a extremely high r0 number because instead of just meeting a couple people in close proximity a week. they would be shoulder to shoulder with dozens of people in coughing range
thus 9 can turn to 89 in a week. turning to 800 within a fortnight,

yep being moshpit close to 9 people for a few hours. is a sure fire way that those 9 will get a megadose of your cough. high enough viral load to make them sick too

^^^ And the interesting thing is, there still aren't any more deaths, overall, than any other average year.

I wonder how that works? Same total deaths as any other year, but suddenly way more Coronavirus deaths? Something fishy going on.

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CDC estimated 40 percent to 70 percent required to reach herd immunity. If you recall the protests on George Floyd/BLM, some areas didn't see increases in COVID-19. In NYC, an antibody study revealed that some communities, primarily communities with POC, had some instances where 68 percent of people tested who were from these communities had antibodies. This helped to paint a picture on why close proximity protests didn't create massive spikes in cases in NY. Herd immunity was the reason. Another hispanic community had a 35 percent positivity rate for antibodies in Brooklyn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html

We're closer to herd immunity in some places than people think.


I've seen a few studies that throw out the number that antibodies last a few months, but nothing conclusive. We've only been tracking COVID-19 with data since February, so we're only going to know about antibody lifespan with time as researchers continually conduct antibody tests. That being said, it's VERY rare if not non-existent for someone to be reinfected.

and the real world interesting and factual thing is there ARE more deaths than average years

It isn't the antibodies that give you long term immunity, but the memory T-cells. They have found that people who were infected with SARS back in 2002/3 have retained these cells, and they kick into action and create antibodies when they detect the Corona virus. This could explain why over half of the people exposed to the virus don't seem to be affected. They fall into the age range that could have developed this long term immunity. If this is the case, then we are probably already at 80% immunity, and the whole lockdown business is just an excuse to reset the debt laden economy.  It also creates a new product line for the money Pharmers to harvest.

But at first, people are really scared and anxious about the virus.

People are getting confident that this Covid-19 virus is not that deadly. That's the reason why some people are really thinking that this virus is nothing compared to other deadly viruses. Governments are really having a hard time to make decisions that will really beneficial for the sake of all.


Covid-19 virus only worsen the sickness or diseases that you have, it can make you have complications in any part of your organs that's why it is deadly.

But this virus is just like influenza, you can recover from it if you are healthy and you don't have any diseases before. Once you don't have any problem with your body and your immune system is working properly, then there's no need to worry, but you should also consider that medications are not that cheap once you are infected with the virus.

what you actually find is that in 'white privilege' areas the number was 13%. they said overall the populous was ~26% in the epicenter area. (NYCity.. not NY state,.. NOT USA overall)
again in the city of the high epicentre of the epidemic..
other states had far far far lower numbers than 26%

so dont even try to make a small case study of 68% and 56% in certain area's to assume that its near that number overall everywhere


also the POC protesting george floyd did actually socially distance and stay home if sick during protests.
however if you look at the area's in like ohio. which were stupid. the case number went up

heck NY even done some 'bicycle' protests which is even safer.. yet other states done vandalism moshpit style protests

the places that did not do peaceful protests. and did not do it responsibly, going out even when they sick. got affected more
the only times NY done aggressive cluster protests they did not keep going out every day for a month.
yet other states were out most days for a month and using the protests for socialising upclose while trying to argue about their civil liberties are being quashed

kinda funny how your not showing places like ohio case increase knowing all the news of ohio stupid protest methods

Would you prefer one set of rules on lockdown, masks and distancing for an entire country, or as in the US, for it to be let to each state?

in the UK they are localising lockdowns per town having a hotspot.
the problem is where even if that one town is having a localised hotspot. and localised lockdown. people .. well idiots. think its their calling to then drive out of the area and spread it around.
this can then be a cascading reaction causing more hotspots.

take sweden. it didnt do much repatriation. it implemented social distancing/respect. it kept the spread low.
but denmark done more repatriation. didnt socially distance. went into lockdown. and then the danes decided they will ignore danish advice and hop over to sweden so they can party.
thus then causing sweden cases to rise


the issue with trying to be such locally reactive is. that by the time people react and actually take the advice its been a week or 2..
EG even the main lockdown in march didnt see a curve the peak until 2-3 weeks later
so trying to be prompt and reactive doesnt work because of the delay.

so some places have to be proactive-predictive-preventative
such as if a town is having a hotspot. the whole county/state should respond equally.
or if the scale of the hotspot is of such magnitude that it would affect multiple counties/states in under 2 weeks then yes the scope has to be widened

EG
if a ski resort with 2000 guests from 50 states are on vacation(40 people per state). and they all come into contact. and the next week they all go to their differing states. then thats more of a thing to keep an eye on country wide.
where as 40 people from a small bar in a small town where they all live by each other should be considered as  small town concern. even if they then go and infect 2000 neighbours that never leave town anyway.

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id say we are way passed trying to lockdown to zero out cases. because it will just get imported again by vacationers. so the only option is to reduce the risk of people getting it with severe viral loads
so when your at home with family you know and trust or in your own car with people you know. and you know where they have been. you can take the risk
but if your going places where your meeting strangers you dont know where they been or who they touched your increasing the risk so yea mask up in those situations of random people near you

alot of people think their local supermarket is full of local people simply because its the market near their home..  .. they dont realise people can come from out of state of go to that super market after being abroad the previous week. hoping to stock up with a couple weeks of food because they are starting to get sick and know they will have to isolate.

so while these sick people are randomly rushing to get supplies to stay home. they are already passing it around
so while you are in a store thinking smart people would just stay home or the people in the supermarket should be all clear because they are only local and they have been in same lockdown as you.. dont be so sure of yourself

but overall yea in supermarkets its not always possible to respect personal space. so best to mask up.. but if you can respect personal space and not go near random people. do so

in true common sense people could react case by case take each situation as its presented.. but too many idiots wouldnt even follow common sense and instead be looking for the loopholes/excuses to avoid common sense.
EG trying to go back to work while being sick by pretending covid is fake and jsut the flu
EG even if not disabled wearing a 'im disabled due to autism thus exempt from wearing masks'

 then there are idiots that just dont have a clue either way so need guidance.
EG the ones where you see them driving in their own car with no passengers but they are wearing a mask. because they re taking the advice too literally without common sense

then we circle back to sometimes that guideance takes time to actualy be soaked into peoples minds and accepted and implemented. so sometimes the advice has to be more predictive of worse case scenario of 2-4 weeks before the actual concern. just to prevent the concern

so my general advice is.
dont be an idiot thinking your being helpful by licking random people and spitting on people or pushing people together
be respectful of peoples personal space.
if you cant avoid close contact. reduce the time your in close contact and wear a face covering or preferably a mask to further decrease the load
and stop looking for loop holes so you can go about and spread it like an idiot

Thanks, but I don't need your general advice or your condescending attitude, or two pages of rambling garbage in response to a simple question.

well when idiots cant grasp a complex situation and instead want to blame aliens, government conspiracies,, or some corporate puppet games

and then other people ask for a simple answer and limit the answer to being only 2 options that are not practical either way..

then expect not to get the short answer you are looking for

you seemed to have precisely and maybe arrogantly decided on 2 tight options. knowing probably well that both dont play out well.
but instead of thinking beyond your precisely chosen options of YOUR decision. you simply want to complain that i gave you another answer

sorry the world is too random to have a single option plan because yea there are some idiots. there are others who are just ignorant and try to find loopholes. and others that have common sense.
you cant use a common sense approach to the other two categories. and the idiot proof version doesnt play well for the loop hole/ common sense people

so sorry i couldnt give you a loving hug and say how one of your options is the answer.
maybe try to run some scenarios next time and figure out a better option

in short
just mass rule even when only certain states have mega hotspots. is not good for the states without hotspots
however. making it state level. where one state then cant advice the neighbour state. can cause chaos for the neighbour state if they play ignorant. and then play the blame game on the first state.
EG trump style play ignorant. let people cross border. then blame the first impact zone. then try to sue the first impact zone for not helping the ignorant second zone

see what i mean
there is no one fix solution. because each state have a different level of ignorance and incompetence. just like the different levels of both found in different countries leaders

Your idiots are simply anybody who doesn't understand what you are talking about most of the time. But to do so, they would actually have to get into your mind to learn the way you think. And that's a really scary thought.

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Sure, but also each state may have a complement of brilliant analysts, and to various degrees use their ideas.

The general and rational response to someone who says something like this around here "so my general advice is.
dont be an idiot thinking your being helpful by licking random people and spitting on people or pushing people together
be respectful of peoples personal space.
if you cant avoid close contact. reduce the time your in close contact and wear a face covering or preferably a mask to further decrease the load
and stop looking for loop holes so you can go about and spread it like an idiot"

would be to tell the person to "FUCK OFF" and I suspect that's exactly what you'd get if you talked like that in the pub down the street. But hey this is the Internet so everyone can be rude, right?

i had respect for you a few months back because you had rational thoughts.

but then you went down the idiot path that made you sound like people like badecker
so yea i called you out on it.
and now your just getting emotional trying to stand by your stupid thoughts. i think the main trigger was when i called you out as a trump lover, your reply content of emotion changed dramatically after that.
and since then rational thought has just gone out the window and all you wanna do is plant silly questions knowing you wont get the answer your looking for to then use as a way to get more emotional when i point out that your questions wont get the answer your looking for

so line in the sand about your recent outbursts asisde
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if the virus was a car. thats easy to see and easy to control at the borders of a state, fine
but with idiots crying out for their "freedom to travel" loopholes to spread beyond the border. means a state cant control it aswell.
and as i said already if its done at state level then bickering neighbour states will not cooperate but just let disaster strike and just try blaming each other.
just like trump blames china even though china stopped its own flights. but trump went in with repatriation flights to bring it to the US and then stupidly went and blamed china for how it got into the us

see my point. if you put your rational hat on

^^^ But you are kinda in limbo regarding respect. People might not have respect for you, but they don't have disrespect for some joker who keeps on trying without ever figuring out what he is attempting. People like perseverance. So, keep at it.

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Blah blah blah. I'm still waiting for your R models that back up the countless scientific and statistical claims you have made.

No, you can't get out of it by attempting to create a diversion into ORANGEMANBAD.

I'm not saying that 68% or 56% is representative of the entire U.S. There is a reason why NY is not getting ravaged by coronavirus during the second wave, and that's because nearly everyone has already been exposed to coronavirus enough to the point that herd immunity can take effect. They had 30k deaths for a 9 million population, which out matches most countries in death per capita.

I also did not take this COVID-19 as a serious problem that would cause anything like the current situation. For me it is OK to increase restrictions not only in UK but in the whole world not only to reduce the number of infections but also to save time and effort of all our frontliners. They are all tired because it already took a long time for them to work hard for us. According to the news I have heard last night, there is no sure vaccine yet. It is August already. Next month is the beginning of what we called "Ber Months" and when it is "Ber months" time flies so fast. I do not think the whole world will turn to fully normal before this year end. Lot of things are still possible to happen as long there is no vaccine yet. Lot of people will sacrifice their life. That is why we really need to that increased of restrictions.

Make more restrictions in the lockdown is something which should be taken seriously. Soon other countries will follow this and we will again be in the state where the whole world will be locked again. This might be the 2nd wave of the covid-19 which many people are taking about and it will bring more deaths than before.

Which country has reported actual deaths from corona virus I can't find any? A lot of people die with dirty finger nails, but that doesn't mean that dirty finger nails cause death.

However, we have all read reports of people who have died as a direct result of the lock downs.

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and badecker is too dumb to see a group of people want to charge $11 to teach people how to hug another person

badecker really loves advertising scammers that overcharge for stupid crap

You don't realize that when you have a Private Membership Association (PMA), that you are required to charge for membership.

Look at some of the videos I presented. Especially watch https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c and https://altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI.

The doctors in these two videos are being ousted from their jobs because the "system" doesn't like what they are saying. What the doctors don't realize is that they can form a medical PMA, or form an area chapter of one already in existence, and there they can treat patients in all kinds of ways, legally, and outside of general hospital or clinic requirements.

All you want to do is keep people from getting well, and finding out what works.

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doctors are under their medical oath to do no harm and to uphold some level of moral and ethics

so if the crap they say is the cause of them being ousted by the medical board.. then you have to accept that what they are saying will harm people and is immoral/unethical.. in other words harmful lies

Don't feed Franky, just put him on ignore. I have done it, and it has reduced the aerosolised brown trout in the covid posts. :)

I see.

So you DO BELIEVE in masks.

I believe in self-isolation for some posters. :)

Actually I might try it for myself with regards to viruses and vaccination threads. They have become religious beliefs, and you can't rationalise with zealots. No vaxers and no maskers just want to maintain the health that God gave us, and preserve a booming economy and pleasant lifestyle.

The oath. Do people ever break their oaths? Do the people on the medical boards ever break their oaths?

Do no harm includes harm from negligence. It is negligence to disallow HCQ, because HCQ has been proven by the FDA for decades, and is one of the safest drugs around, being allowed by the FDA to be prescribed for pregnant women and babies.

The medical boards are breaking their oaths by disallowing HCQ. How many other ways are they breaking their oaths?

Watch the second video at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265568.msg54913466#msg54913466. Then do your research and see if the stats for the 6 countries of Africa listed in the middle of the video are right. Six malaria countries in Africa, who take HCQ or one of its variations, have almost no deaths per million, while the States and Britain have hundreds of deaths per million.

You simply have things backward as usual. Why don't you wake up, and place your trust in God where it is supposed to be, rather than in medical boards who break their oaths.

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I need to be prompted. Often I don't post because there are too many things to post about, and it's difficult figuring out which to post about. F-1 posts something silly, and it helps me decide to post regarding the things he is talking about.

Often it is difficult to understand what he is talking about. If he is responding to one of my posts, almost all the time a tiny fraction of what he posts has to do with my point. But then he goes off on a tangent that doesn't make any sense.

But the whole thing is stimulating enough that it moves me in a direction for posting something I think is valuable.

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Seems to me that the mask is the easiest form of hidden isolation. People are isolating behind the mask, but they don't consciously realize it.

When they isolate at home, they know that they are isolating. But they are doing the same thing behind those essentially useless masks.

Isolation = division. Divide and conquer. That's why they want us to wear the masks. Might backfire on them, however.

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HCQ is a doctor accepted and FDA accepted treatment for years .. for malaria
when you realis that covid is not malaria. covid is not ebola. but covid is a new virus. then you have to look at the new studies involving the new virus and the illness it causes.
then when you look at the studies done for covid specific patients and HCQ you see that it has not given any worthy benefit. so doctors wont use it, as its a waste of time
its like your pretending that tomato ketchup prevents death because the FDA has allowed it to be consumed for decades. your not understanding that although ketchup is allowed for consumption for decades. does not mean that it then cures new things


its like you are trying to say that vit C helps with scurvy so vit C will solve gunshot and car crash victims
you have not realised the common sense that a car crash injury is different to a gunshot and different to scurvy, different to covid

if you think that vitamin C and HCQ are the only two treatments people should have. then you are not realising that the salesmen that are offering you your script are the ones trying to get you to buy their stuff

look at the silly 'american frontline doctors' simone has been debunked. and another one was has not been patient facing since last year and beleives that peoples sickness is due you people being abducted by aliens from another planet and fertilised with alien semen which causes illnesses.

and it makes you laugh that you think those type of people are credible

Did you ever notice that HCQ is used for multitudes of other things besides malaria? So, here we go with some doctors using HCQ entirely successfully for Covid and Coronavirus, so the FDA shuts HCQ down for everything and everybody.

That doesn't make sense. Doctors often use medications for things other than direct FDA approval dictates. And they do it without disciplinary action being taken against them.

But here we have great successes with HCQ, and the FDA goes and bans it for everything. That is the FDA going against their oath, "Do no harm."

You don't understand this, I bet. You're simply way too dense for something this complex, to percolate around in that echo chamber average people would call your brain cavity.

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FDA has not banned it for everything

and here is the thing you dont get.
if someone told you that you if you sunbathe for 2 hours you wont die from drowning,
you will say that it shows that vitamin D cures drowning

yet the reality is that during the 2 hours of sunbathing. you obviously were not in water.

so when someone gives a healthy person a drug and says it can cure many things. and then comes back to them the next day and asks did you die from anything. and obviously not.. you again would think its proof of cure
but reality is that you have yet to be exposed to anything nasty to really test it out

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actual doctors facing actual patients with covid have tried it. and those people still got sick for days.
there are better therapies such as plasma transfusions. and other medications too

but your an idiot when soemone cant breath and needs oxygen will give people a couple HCQ and then make them drink bleach and if they die you will blame it on saying they must have had other issues.
if they survive you will say see it works.. not realising the survival rate compared to those who dont take it

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emphasis more people are having a better outcome due to having a plasma transfusion. which is basically getting a supply of antibodies from someone that already recovered.

strange thing is . this is the most 'holistic' natural therapy. and yet stupid people dont want to advertise it because it goes against their cultish conspiracy product advertising preference
you cant exactly bottle up plasma and send it in the post for $50 to idiots who visit stupid sites. and thats why yo avoid even thinking about blood plasma as a better treatment
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anyway.. i still laugh how you think that HCQ studies from 2019 and before has any impact on proving effectiveness on covid. more so than actual treatment in 2020 of covid patient s using HCQ that has not shown the results you hope

But the governers and the medical licensing boards have promised the pharmacists that if they fill any orders, that they will lose their jobs.




As the tide is rolling in... la, la, la. :D

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thank you fall falling into your own trap
you just realised that sunbathing cant cure drowning. because the tide comes in

much like that simone women saying HCQ cures cvid symptoms for the 'covid before infection' meaning when the infection 'tide' comes in.. then people do get inflicted/harmed. so its not cured

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i predicted you would reply about the tide. and you fell straight into it.
i hope you now realise that vitamin C doesnt cure drowning and HCQ doesnt cure covid by your own response

Hopefully the tide is turning. It seems to be accepted pretty generally that Vitamin "D" is a major factor in the boosting of immunity, and treatment of the virus. Most medical practitioners seem to be pushing the purchase of supplements, and it is sad that they can't get off the idea that all cures come out of a bottle, or through a needle. I gather the "D"that comes out of a bottle is inferior, and can cause problems if too much is taken. They seem to be trying to stop people from using free sunlight to boost immunity. Beach parties with free association in the fresh air, and lots of Vitamin"D" generated by the sunlight seems to be a great way to spread immunity. Even better id you swim in the sea and pick up some iodine and other minerals through your skin.

It is difficult to extract vitamin "D"from food, but one source is the common mushroom. This is capable of generating vitamin "D" from sunlight. The only problem is that it is generally grown in the dark. However, even the mushrooms from the supermarket can continue this process if they are left in the sun for an hour or two. Not too long though, as they can become wrinkly like old men. :)

In my country there is again an increase in the infections.
They restrictions are getting harder and we are going to live difficult moments from the September and then.
I think that another lockdown is going to come in the future but the global economy is not going to endure it for a second time.

The world will worsen for the second time.
People are ready to deal with the primary push a touch bit but if it happens later people won't be ready to deal with it because the country's economy has shrunk many workers have lost their jobs and become unemployed the planet will take a more terrible shape if lockdown is given. Although the transmission of the virus has decreased it's re-emerged.

there are alot of businesses that shut down and lost workers on purpose for many reasons
1. they were not prepared, they live hand to mouth business with no savings and no insurances
2. they actually used this event to sack staff with no redundancy and then either re hire them again at lower salary or hire new staff at lower salary

i seen a few factories, airline companies and retailers do this. one day they whispering going into administration and laying staff off.. a week after laying staff off they suddenly say they are functional again and ask staff to reapply again under new employment terms

3. retailers adapt by expanding their 'self pay' kiosks to reduce staff need. airports/hotels/pubs/cafes have done this to cut down on customer facing staff at ticket terminals and waitressing staff

businesses could have kept going with normal staffing levels if they just implemented better processes to keep staff safe but many businesses took the oppertunity to 'thin the herd' reduce the salary costs instead.

The fact that there are few if any more total deaths that average for this season, and the fact that the causes of deaths are being lied about, suggest that there is no reason for any precautions over and above what has been done for any year.

The whole lockdown thing is being used to change society in different ways. It is NOT being used to protect against a virus pandemic.

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says the guy that gets advice from snake oil salesmen

by the way if the virus isnt real(your todays flop) then why are you advertising chemicals and medication to cure people of something(your flip other days)

i know you cant grasp the concept that things outside of your own control can affect you life. but thats a reality check you need to handle

many conspiracy people cant grasp how such a small thing thats cant be seen with the human eye can actually affect so many peoples lives and kill so many and make so many more ill.. and so the conspiracy nutters avoid learning the reality. and instead try to come up with stupid scenario's

this is called 'head in the sand' mentality.
so continuing the ostrich analogy. while you are putting your head in the sand thinking thats the strategy to protect your yet to be born offspring.. your the first pray to be caught.
smarter ostriches(run) keep their distance from threats. making it less of a fight, thus they have a better chance of surviving

in this analogy your a stupid ostrich trying to tell other ostriches to drown themselves or stick their head in the sand. in the very small hope that the threat kills off others first and leaves you alone.
sorry. that doesnt work. eventually it comes for you too

your 'herd imunity' script is the darwin/eugenics 'survival of fittest'/'thinning the herd' plan.

^^^ You seem to be talking about yourself, there.      8)

Yes, it is NOT being used to protect against the pandemic. Most of people will have contact with the virus in any way. The purpose of lockdown is unloading of medicine system.

the government wouldn't have an economy to begin with if they all believe about this free immunity from nature. because the truth is that NOT everyone has that. only the old people who lives in the barn has those free immunity. the generations who live probably from 90s and up all eat fatty burgers with all the carcinogens, preservatives and all these that doesn't help with free immunity from nature. all will die and the government will have nothing to rule except the dying old farts who will also die sooner.  who cares if they government print and print money to supply the people? its the lives that matters.

soon the new reality will be to instead of having face masks. people will just cover their mouths with any cloth
and thus we go through the 13th century re-invention of the hankerchief

so yea dont think this year is anything new. it actually is the same as hundreds of years ago. but more recent centuries people got more relaxed and started using hankerchiefs for decoration (pocket squares) as the way to get around rules of 'people need to wear a hankerchief'

hankerchief originates from the words 'hand and face cover'

yep people needed to cover their faces or have social distancing to prevent widespread infection in short amount of time and in high viral loads.

its funny how history repeats itself

just like 17th century bandana's

i dont think n95 will become a fashion craze people will just devolve to bandana's to meet the 'cover face rules' and later just have a piece of 'face covering cloth' in their pocket to get around the more relaxed 'you need to wear a face covering' looser terminology

Isn't that a way to protect against the pandemic though? Open up slowly to take the pressure off of the healthcare system, and open up smart while keeping science in mind.

We also learn more and more as we open slowly. We learn what exactly makes COVID spread, who is the most at risk, and what should be done to ensure that while we're reopening people are safe.

So yeah, I don't think there is anything wrong with opening up slowly after a pandemic came in and infected/killed tons of people.

The only reason for slow opening up is that it is taking the people this long to realize that Covid as a virus pandemic is fake. The real pandemic is a political or banking pandemic. The Covid pandemic has been designed to take the eyes of the people off the politics and money pandemic.


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I am pretty sure the people who still own FIAT money have a problem with printing too much money as it becomes worthless eventually. But I agree with you we should be focusing on the people more, not only on the economy.  The thing with corona immunity is that is not really long term. We see already people who were infected with corona a few months ago getting it again. So spreading corona or a vaccine to as many people as possible to build a immunity might be the wrong approach. We need to learn more about the virus and if it's going to mutate a lot or not. Can it really be contained?

This is my impression of the situation in the UK. It is based on my correlation between a variety of credible scientific reports, and interviews with various front line workers in ICU departments, It is related to Corona viruses.
- the number of people with immunity id probably around 80% of the population.
- masks don't help to slow the spread of infection, but they do slow the process of recovery when infected.
- social distancing provides little protection against aerosol viruses.
- people who recovered from the 2002/3 SARS epidemic appear to retain immunity to the whole family of corona viruses, so long term natural immunity is possible,
- vaccines are only projected to provide short term immunity in 40% of the population, and require annual top ups.
- vaccinated people who become infected are at risk of severe complications such as cytokine storms.
- people using pharmaceutical drugs regularly will have compromised immune systems, and are at severe risk from a Covid infection. This probably explains why the elderly and those in care homes are vulnerable.
- no healthy person has died from the Covid-19 virus.
- people with insulin resistance as a result of excessive consumption of refined sugars, seed oils and ultra processed foods have an increased risk of complications
- smokers, vapers, and users of recreational drugs will have underlying health problems, and Covid-19 will exploit this.
- people staying at home and not getting enough sunlight with be deficient in Vitamin D, and thus will have a reduced capacity to recover from infection.
- dehydration reduces the effectiveness of the immune system.
- malnutrition can cause the immune system to shut down.
- vaccinating children, or protecting them from viral infections impairs the development of their natural immunity, and this will affect them for the rest of their lives.

You can trust my opinion, as I am not a doctor, and I haven't been exposed to the propaganda of the money Pharmers or the government's health experts.

It's the Nazi's. I.G. Farben of Nazi Germany was the Big Pharma of the day. When Germany lost WW2, I.G. simply transported themselves to Amerika.

It's the politics we need protection from. Most doctors KNOW that something isn't right in the way they are supposed to heal their patients... the orders they receive from Big Pharma.

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corrections
the amount of people with full lack of immunity is below 1% per issue. then immunity is compromised(less then perfect) depending on factors like age and other illnesses and issues.
its not a off/on binary option of 80%... its a off situation of 1%max and then a degrading scale for the other 99%

masks do lower the viral load you inhale thus less virus to attack on the first battle, thus less that can replicate thus less issues

social distancing does lower the viral load aswell. 2metres is safer than 1metre with mask
same situation. less virus=less of a battle=less problems
even idiot graffiti artists know the benefits of distance and coverings when aerosols are involved

people that had the 2002 sars do not have immunity from all the family of corona viruses. again even a perfectly healthy teen that had 2002sars as a kid can still get sick
though your immune system does keep the blueprint of sars2002 antibodies and does also create a random -near pattern.. it is no guarantee.
the random antibodies do not know what the next strain will be. its just random luck
EG if you know that a tree leans to the left. if you take the seed and plant. the offspring may not lean to the left
when you have kids your not sure if it wiil have the dad or moms features.
you can guess.. but you cant be sure till it happens

some vaccines last a lifetime and are 99.5% effective. some last 15 years some last a year
its not the vaccines fault its actually what organ the virus attacks and the biological stuff in a human about if certain organs are full of antibodies regularly or only when in response to a nasty invader

lungs dont keep a constant supply of antibodies around compared to other organs. so this is why respiratory infections are so bad.

vaccines are a varient of the virus without the lethal replication. thus your body will trigger an immune response because thats how your immune system works.
you will not get pneumonia(cytokine storm) from a vaccine because the vaccine is not replicating the virus to burst the cells to cause the pneumonia.
you will get the sorethroat/cough/fever as thats your immune system. and thats normal

thinking that never coughing is a good thing is wrong. if you dont cough or get warm it means your immune system is not getting triggered by things it doesnt like

people needing medication for an underlying issue thus needing meds already had the compromised immune system due to the underlying condition to need meds

people that sunbathe each day are not immortal either. people in the north with shorter daylight are not at anymore or less risk.
its a fine balance of just a bit of sunlight a day needed to make vitamin c.
yes living in a basement 24/7 will give you issues. so try to go for a walk each day, even if its just 30 minutes

dehydration and malnutrition is a sliding scale that can affect your immune system. but eating loads of food and staying hydrated does not mean your immortal
you can actually harm yourself by eating too much equally as not eating enough
fluid retention from being over hydrated can cause problems too.

vaccinations do not change the immune system. they are not immune system changers. they are a varient of the virus itself thus your natural immune system does what it normally does and recognises what it needs to do to get rid of the threat.

a vaccine is not a car thief that hijacks a car and trashes it. instead it is a pedestrian that a car driver reacts to and learns what to watch out for to know how to handle the situation better next time

in short its not a 0 or 1 off or on binary option for health.
its a sliding scale for all aspects. overdoing things can sometimes put you at as much risk as not doing enough.

Let's imagine that everything you say, above, is totally correct. Because of its inherent contradictions, it is so ambiguous that none of it has anything to do with any virus pandemic. That means, that if it is correct, it can't be applied at all, and the said reasons for the pandemic are a total lie.

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badecker i know your stuck with the assumption that its the 1800's and not september 2020. i know you feel that there is no such thing as healthcare and medications and technology.

but your ignorance really needs to accept reality at some point. your only wasting your own time forgetting the reality we are in

Oh, franky1. I am trying so hard to remove my ignorance from myself. And two of the greatest helps you provide for all of us are, your devilry and your deviltry.

So, thanks.

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I had to look up "deviltry". It seems it means evil magic, wickedness, and malicious behaviour. That sounds about right for the vaccinators. :)

Yeah, we had a lot of people that openly disregarded the whole push to stay inside as much as possible. You had people protesting, some localities never really closing so restuarants and stuff stayed open, people still working, tons of people at beaches, kids still partying, and all of that.

It's crazy that we're still facing this problem at the moment, colleges all across the US have opened - in even areas where there is a high likelihood of them having to close down soon because of a LARGE amount of cases. Imagine that? Putting tons of young adults together and thinking that they're going to listen to every little directive that you set out for them

They're KIDS. They're going to want to fuck like rabbits and drink a ton and blast music and be in large groups. I think it truly was a bad idea to open schools in many places, especially at the college level where you're also LIVING with these other people.

The universe and people are machines that God made.

Science theory that is believed in, is religion, because it is theory and not fact, no matter how much the odds say that it is fact.

Formal science fiction (as opposed to fantasy super-heroes) is almost 100 percent without God, and the fact that we are His machines.

The training that we receive from those in control, is based on belief, not reality.

Mankind does NOT make better machines than God. Belief that mankind CAN somehow make better machines is the work of the Devil.

Why does God allow it? Only for a time, so that He can find which of us will be His, willingly.

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