Lockdown restrictions increased to reduce the spread of immunity.

[Jet Cash]

The UK has announced an increase in the lockdown restrictions. This is obviously intended to reduce the spread of immunity, and this follows billions of pounds of taxpayers money being given to the Pharma companies for vaccines. Several reports have stated that vaccines that are getting close to natural immunity are possible, but these seem to be based on synthetic viruses. Why not just go for the free immunity that nature gives us. I understand that it has become difficult to test covid products as so many people have natural immunity, and there aren't many people who are infected at the moment. They are getting round this by requiring self isolation for people with symptoms rather than the virus infection. The number of associated symptoms are being increased as well.

It all seems like a government panic as people are starting to realise that covid-19 is not the problem that they pretended it was/is.

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[squatz1]

I'm pretty sure through all of this you're pretty much saying that people in lockdown are unable to get herd immunity,, which is a reason that the virus hasn't gone away yet? Maybe some conspiracy stuff thrown in about how the government is trying to kill the economy by making up this virus or some shit like that.

You do understand that for herd immunity to be effective you need around 70-80% of the population to get COVID. Which means that the amount of people in every country (and int he world) who are going to die is tremendous. Like millions of people are going to die if we just say 'fuck it, we'll just stop all of this and let everyone get it'

People don't fully understand how bad herd immunity is. Vaccine is a much better option in terms of the amount of people dead / sick / etc. Not even talking about the overflowing hospitals we would have if we went about doing this.

[Subbir]

I think the animal's system will become ineffective because doctors are unable to stop it in any way With the spread of coronavirus social infections across the country and therefore the number of infections and deaths breaking new records a day the govt isn't showing any initiative to realize the important goal of testing many people for corona. Although the treatment of the coronavirus has been credited in various ways since the onset of the coronavirus epidemic within the world all achievements in coronary tests and health care in Lezgobar seem to be failing Everything will become more ineffective until the vaccine is out there.

[Carlton Banks]

People don't fully understand how bad herd immunity is. Vaccine is a much better option in terms of the amount of people dead / sick / etc.

vaccines and herd immunity rely on the exact same mechanism: the immune system develops anti-bodies that recognize the proteins protruding from the virus

Not even talking about the overflowing hospitals we would have if we went about doing this.

no evidence exists that any such thing would happen. evidence quite to the contrary does (countries with high death rates were simply recording SARS-Cov2 deaths incorrectly, the actual typical death rate is similar to that of seasonal influenza)


it's a basic fact of epidemiology that deadly pathogens don't spread well, and that as pathogens become more benign they spread faster, e.g.

• ebola, guarantee of death is high, spread very poorly
• influenza, very low death rate, spreads so pervasively that it's a fact of life for everyone

sorry to interrupt your death-cult doomsday nonsense, but the facts are (sadly) quite simple

[Jet Cash]

I gather that all causes deaths are at a 5 year low - that doesn't fit with a deadly pandemic. They keep adding symptoms to the infection indicators. Pretty soon they will add dirty fingernails, and then report that anyone with dirty finger nails has died from the virus. One of the reasons that the virus is able to allow people to die from other causes is the rise of vaccinations, and the destruction of natural health. Also I suspect that the real count of deaths from the virus is pretty low, and as the immunity spreads, it will leave traces that allow for misreporting.

You should also consider factors like malnutrition. The body does what it can to protect life, and if it can't get enough nutrition, then it starts to shut down various functions. Unfortunately the immune system is one of the earliest victims of this shutdown, and this is why some of the undeveloped countries have an increase in deaths.

[NOTE} Trust me I'm not a doctor, and haven't been indoctrinated by Pharma propaganda.

[BIT-BENDER]

Gone are the days when mass people feared the covid-19 virus, come-on how do they expect the people to live on luck down -until when- -through out the year?-
Reports has it many vaccines are reaching going from stage to stage, I think this can make the government instill more fear till the pharmaceutical industry comes up with something,
In old time we can't say viruses and infective micro-organism never existed but they tackled it -they did not have the chemicals and sophisticated laboratory- as we can see today, natural remedies was a prize to them. Even if a vaccine to covid-19 is found in some years another contagious disease/sickness surges up, do we then go back again to finding vaccines for it, precious time that will cost some infected people their life's as we see with the covid-19 virus. Our immunity is there Incase of advent of sickness or invaders, nature has in it effective power to boost immunity and remedies for sickness. Covid-19 is not the beginning of sickness and will not be the end.

[Coyster]

People don't fully understand how bad herd immunity is. Vaccine is a much better option in terms of the amount of people dead / sick / etc.

vaccines and herd immunity rely on the exact same mechanism: the immune system develops anti-bodies that recognize the proteins protruding from the virus

Even if vaccines and herd immunity perform the same function in the body, they do not quite follow the same process, for herd immunity, you'll expect quite a large percentage of the population to contract the virus and well, anyone who survives it, then gets the immunity; but in the case of a vaccine, you do not need to have contracted the virus to get vaccinated, hence it somewhat reduces the fatality risks, whereas for herd immunity, the risks of deaths are very high.

[Jet Cash]

How are they going to find people who haven't had contact with the virus for vaccination? I suspect most people will have had contact by now, so they will need to vaccinate those with natural immunity to cover their investment. This has the added benefit for them that it could generate cytokine storms, and thus foster the myth of the deadly disease. It also allows them to add their organ destruction additives to the vaccine. I wonder if the vaccine released for the sheeple will be the same as the one that underwent the so-called tests.

[akram143]

People don't fully understand how bad herd immunity is. Vaccine is a much better option in terms of the amount of people dead / sick / etc.

vaccines and herd immunity rely on the exact same mechanism: the immune system develops anti-bodies that recognize the proteins protruding from the virus

Even if vaccines and herd immunity perform the same function in the body, they do not quite follow the same process, for herd immunity, you'll expect quite a large percentage of the population to contract the virus and well, anyone who survives it, then gets the immunity; but in the case of a vaccine, you do not need to have contracted the virus to get vaccinated, hence it somewhat reduces the fatality risks, whereas for herd immunity, the risks of deaths are very high.

Particularly about covid 19 the mortality rate is very low and people died for other reasons as well after infected with virus but still most of the government report it as covid 19 death.Here in my place few people got infected but they found that they are completely okay now in only one week of time so this is not a deadly virus to lock the whole world inside their house.

[Spendulus]

How are they going to find people who haven't had contact with the virus for vaccination? ....

Maybe the jackbooted stormtroopers could be put to work on this job. I hear they have not had much work lately, and they too have families to support.

For a while it looked like Antifa would hire them, but they found aging, derelict Occupy protestors living in storm sewers who would riot for almost nothing, just enough to buy some drink and weed.

Then it seemed like the stormtroopers could get work defending federal buildings against Antifa violent operations, but no....

So that's my suggestion. Squads of them going house to house searching.

[squatz1]

People don't fully understand how bad herd immunity is. Vaccine is a much better option in terms of the amount of people dead / sick / etc.

vaccines and herd immunity rely on the exact same mechanism: the immune system develops anti-bodies that recognize the proteins protruding from the virus

Not even talking about the overflowing hospitals we would have if we went about doing this.

no evidence exists that any such thing would happen. evidence quite to the contrary does (countries with high death rates were simply recording SARS-Cov2 deaths incorrectly, the actual typical death rate is similar to that of seasonal influenza)


it's a basic fact of epidemiology that deadly pathogens don't spread well, and that as pathogens become more benign they spread faster, e.g.

• ebola, guarantee of death is high, spread very poorly
• influenza, very low death rate, spreads so pervasively that it's a fact of life for everyone

sorry to interrupt your death-cult doomsday nonsense, but the facts are (sadly) quite simple

70-80 % of people have to get the Coronavirus for herd immunity to be effective, right? That means that there are going to be a massive increase in the amount of hospitalizations, infections, deaths, and so on and so forth.

Even in the most conservative estimates of hospitalizations, with 70% of the population getting it, you'd still be overflowing hospitals and having some people dying solely due to the overflow.

However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

Research suggests that after infection with some coronaviruses, reinfection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. Further research is needed to determine the protective effect of antibodies to the virus in those who have been infected.

Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.

[Jet Cash]

Informed opinion seems to believe that 70-80% of the population already has immunity. That seems to be herd immunity, but the government seems to have not-heard-immunity.

Covid doesn't kill, but lockdowns, unemployment and debts do. ( and masks ).

[squatz1]

Informed opinion seems to believe that 70-80% of the population already has immunity. That seems to be herd immunity, but the government seems to have not-heard-immunity.

Covid doesn't kill, but lockdowns, unemployment and debts do. ( and masks ).

What is 'informed opinion'?

Is there a source on that? Is anyone else repeating that claim who has any credentials in the world of medicine, science, etc?

COVID does kill.

Obviously lock downs, unemployment and debt does as well. But you can't fully reopen an economy if COVID is still ravaging on and killing people. The economy can't recover unless this is gone, we're just going to continue to have to lockdown every so often if outbreaks continue.

Also - What's wrong with masks?

[Jet Cash]

There don't seem to be any stats for covid deaths, only deaths from people with covid symptoms.

Masks extend the recovery time through reinfection, and can cause a variety of problems such as hypoxia. They also provide a convenient protective hiding place for the virus.

Is there any evidence that covid kills? All causes mortality seems to be reducing in countries that don't suffer from malnutrition. That is counter intuitive if you believe that covid is deadly.

[BADecker]

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[Spendulus]

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70-80 % of people have to get the Coronavirus for herd immunity to be effective, right? That means that there are going to be a massive increase in the amount of hospitalizations, infections, deaths, and so on and so forth.

Even in the most conservative estimates of hospitalizations, with 70% of the population getting it, you'd still be overflowing hospitals and having some people dying solely due to the overflow.
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I don't believe I'm seeing very effective use of masks on the streets, so let's see where that leads.

Assuming 10% already have immunity, then to get 60% more over 12 weeks say with 1 week sickness each person...

For a million people that's 600,000/12 = 50k. If 1/3 require hospitalization, then that's 17k in the hospital per 1M people. Obviously, that's not happening.

But I'm not seeing effective mask use, so what gives?

Obviously one of the numerical parameters is wrong or the calculation is wrong.

[tippytoes]

Informed opinion seems to believe that 70-80% of the population already has immunity. That seems to be herd immunity, but the government seems to have not-heard-immunity.

Covid doesn't kill, but lockdowns, unemployment and debts do. ( and masks ).

Actually, this lockdown has given a lot of hardships to those that are already below the poverty level. As they have very limited means of earning money for their food, and a lot of them are suffering from other diseases not this covid. And the government can't satisfy all their needs. We expect more deaths not owed to covid but malnutrition?? 

[franky1]

1.
government have said. if your sick or if came into contact with someone sick stay home. and said stay home for 10 days minimum..
why.
because you can be sick for a few weeks. so the minimum is the important part. it does not mean maximum
many idiots get sick. and were going back to work after the 7th day because that was the old limit. and even if they were still coughing and have a fever they would say they are ok to work because the deadline has passed

its not about the numerical number a government decides. its about dont go out until you are well. and i mean actually well.. not hiding the symptoms with symptom hiding meds.

2.
the natural virus has a faster incubation and also can cause more damage.
yes people get sick.
if there was no sickness then jetcash would not care about obtaining immunity. because if no one got sick no one would care.
but jetcash does know that people get sick.. he tries to not admit it on this form. but deep down he knows.
he also knows some basic maths.. but again denies knowing maths on the forum but deep down he knows if too many people get sick at any one time it would over run the healthcare.

i still laugh even now how he wants people to cluster together and lick each others face to get sick.. but then pretends they dont get sick. but then says its important they get sick so that they are immune

..
here is the thing though.. risking getting immune via the natural virus comes with the risk of the sickness that comes with the natural virus

yes 50% of those that get infected can brush it off.. another 30% can just have a week or 2 off work and stay home and they get better. but 10-20% may need hospital care.

we have not got enough health care capacity for 10% in a fortnight
we dont even have healthcare for 1% in a fortnight
at best. if all healthcare was shifted to just treating covid people there would be 0.25% capacity for 2 weeks
meaning.. even if everybed was for covid
the best hope would be 40 fortnights (80 weeks)(subtract the current LOW rates already passed.. still leaves 70+weeks  BEST HOPE with EVERY NHS resource diverted to covid)

but because only a certain amount of beds are capable of handling it. then it would be longer

3.
the thing you should not be blaming is some conspiracy that the virus is fake.
but that the government did not invest in more beds in hospitals
in the 1980's UK NHS had 300k bed capacity. more recently its more like 150k.
half as many beds. thus doubling the problems before they even start.
if NHS had say 650k beds and dedicated them all to covid. then there would be a 1% a fortnight. meaning best case scenario 10 fortnights (20 weeks) and hospitals can cope with the 10% sickness and needing care rate

so instead of playing the ignorant teenager that doesnt know real politics/economics/maths
how about understand that if you actually wanted to be antigov/pro-economy. you would be asking the government to stop wasting money on silly london city landscaping and billionaire bailouts. and instead invest in healthcare which would have meant no lockdowns were needed

[franky1]

as for the rise in cases
guess what folks
idiots went to work and school and didnt follow the personal space respect advice. then they went to protests where it spread to a extremely high r0 number because instead of just meeting a couple people in close proximity a week. they would be shoulder to shoulder with dozens of people in coughing range
thus 9 can turn to 89 in a week. turning to 800 within a fortnight,

yep being moshpit close to 9 people for a few hours. is a sure fire way that those 9 will get a megadose of your cough. high enough viral load to make them sick too

[BADecker]

^^^ And the interesting thing is, there still aren't any more deaths, overall, than any other average year.

I wonder how that works? Same total deaths as any other year, but suddenly way more Coronavirus deaths? Something fishy going on.