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Hi BTC Community Friends


Since last two yrs from today's date ie 04-09-2020
why BTC is Hanged up between $6000 to #12000

While From 01-08-2017 to 31-12-2017
BTC Shoot up from $2857 to $19495
it is just 4 months Duration.......

while from last two yrs whole community is trying/hoping
that
BTC will reach again more than at its actual level ie 20K...
whole community together is trying to boost BTC......
but every efforts of whole community doesn't work.

Why....

it is not boost up again.......

if we will not analysis this situation
then it might be possible that in near future
we have to spent more BTC to buy only "Single PIZZA"

Need Healthy Discussion......

Regards
Matrix.Max
(Formally know as Dvyanc)
Sr. Member of Bitcoin Community.

BTC shot up so high so fast in 2017 because it was overly hyped that even people who don't know a single thing about it just registered a Coinbase account and did a buy order.

So you're question is: "Why.... it is not boost up again.......". Simple, it's because not that much people are buying bitcoin. And if you're not willing to wait for another price rise that's hopefully a lot more sustainable, then go sell your bitcoin. Investing is not for the impatient.


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I don't see why there is so much emphasis and expectation that BTC must go up. It's going to do what it does. Zoom out and the trend is still very clear. Anyways if you are a good trader you will make a profit regardless of BTC price. And if you are in it for the tech, it still works equally as well if the price is $0.01 USD or $100,000.00 USD.

If we assume that BTC is going to DEAD, then expect that altcoins will comes first?
Because we saw that in 4 months last 2017 the price moves that fast and it is different from today, then we think will soon die? I don't need to think that way and not a basis for sure.

No, I don't want to live that kind of negativity. And in a certain thing that I don't want to please people if they don't believe Bitcoin, I have the faith and it is far from what the topic said.

I agree - quick sell all your coins now while the price is low. If you ask me nicely, I might even buy them from you to help you out.

You don’t take into account at all that halving happened in 2016, and that a bunch of ICOs were in full swing, and also that people completely misinterpreted the BTC futures that happened right at the end of 2017. The media pumped up the whole thing to the maximum, and BTC was everywhere because some expected the price to go up to $100 000.

As a member of this forum since 2014 (if the information is correct) you should know better the answer to some questions and understand what time we live in. We are now in anticipation of the halving effect that happened a few months ago, but nowhere is it determined what the price of Bitcoin will be in 1 month, a year or five years.

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The OP claims to be this member -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=352185

What do you think of the price of Bitcoin? That it just repeats itself?

What happened in the past may give you a slight idea of the different probabilities of Bitcoin's next movement but it will never predict it. Bitcoin's price movement does not just replay over and over again, so you cannot just say, "this year and within this certain time range, Bitcoin jumped from this price to that, so this and that must happen during this certain time." That is impatient and foolish of you to think that way.

Nobody is afraid of Bitcoin going dead after it died at least a thousand times already.

Things in the past often repeat in the future, now bitcoin is at a stable price to be able to grow again. Bitcoin has tested the 3k-4k price zone twice, which is a double-bottom pattern. Investors are patient and they will receive a reward. If bitcoin continues to fall in the lower price range once again, it will be catastrophic.

Lost his password?:D
Judging by the post history a signature spammer...

So a healthy discussion. What makes you think that BTC is dying? The cycles are becoming longer every time, so if it took us 2014 and 2017 (about 3 years) to reach a new ATH, it's safe to assume that the next cycle will take 4 or even 5 years. We are right now in the our 4th year, everything is fine. Many analysts predict 2022 to be the peak of the next cycle.
Bitcoin is doing fine if you ask me.

If  you aren't active nor having discussion in your daily basis here in the Bitcoin Discussion board, then you are the unhealthy one. Those kind of queries and topics are too cliche and had been opened for so many time and the answer is just the same as well. It's just funny and ironic why you are endorsing your old Sr.Member acocunt at the end of your thread - an account that hasn't been active for two years whom created such posts that aren't even useful and extremely cliche topics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=352185;sa=showPosts)..

Same answer: if you are really onto bitcoin, then you should have no doubt in it and take this price decrease as its normal flow. It only increased recenlty due to the whales and the hype of many newbie investors.

You're too fast to pull the trigger, looking at his post history he seldom joins sig camp but social media campaign.

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Anyway, the general answer to why Bitcoin is tanking is because there is not much demand to push the price.  Possibly, the investor's attention is diverted to DeFi projects since it is selling like hotcakes today.  Just wait and bitcoin market will start to surge again after this DeFi craze and as soon as investors of DeFi make their fund flow to BTC again.

If that is the case, the OP is far way having better knowledge that any of the newbies who just registered late 2019 and 2020. But I am just curious about his posting style, basically it could built over time, that posting style will be easy to read but with OP, what you've mentioned I guess it's not your account, or if that is true, I think you just went here for signature campaigns.

Going back, we cannot blame bitcoin for what is is now, thus, we should be greatful that more people are being engage to it, because price isn't the basis on how good a crypto is, but to its purpose specifically, to make peer to peer transaction possible.

Maybe because we are all expecting it to rise up to ATH again but I guess BTC is going to fail us all because of it. It may really happen when you least expect it just like what happened in 2017. When the price breaks up to $5000. It as already the moment of success for me that I for the first time used by personal facebook account to glorify it.

Its hard not to expect nor speculate when the price will go beyond its ATH though because everyone seem to be talking about this.

Agree with this. Also in 2017 tether was running its own printing machine and there may have been a bit of foul play involved on their part. A lot of that narrative died down since then though. I think they were able to prove they had the funds. Also just like the DeFi craze now, we had the ICO craze back then. Although I won’t rule out a massive price surge towards the end of this year of early next year. All signs seem to be pointing towards it. So maybe you don’t even have to ge *that* patient

If you are closely familiar about Bitcoin then you can  realize  that Bitcoin is not going to dead so easily.
Here are some points;
1.Bitcoin has the biggest audience in the crypto world.
2.A lot of people here already invests in Bitcoin and they are holding it.(Of course because of some reason)
3. Two years back from now,bitcoin's worth was 16k-20k  usd.so, for holding or investment  sector  patience is very important.
Even in pendamic many people are living by bitcoin.

You want a healthy discussion but didn't even mention any analysis or study that says BTC will become dead soon?

The only thing you did is compare a different timeline which is 2017 and 2020. If you really think that bitcoin will be dead soon, selling BTC will be the right move for not understanding how basic economics work.

After the year of 2017, the year of hype of crypto, a lot of stuff happened that was linked to cryptocurrencies, and you didn't even think it was affecting bitcoin? Probably not. The community of cryptocurrency is huge, bitcoin will be not forgotten so easily, and actually, it's the stepping stone for implementing a cashless society. Many platforms are starting to adopt the use of cryptocurrency so how come it'll become dead just because it didn't reach a new ATH this year? Oh c'mon.

I have lost the number, how many times people tagged bitcoin as dead. Now agains. The price went down for 1k and people already “dead”, “”going to the bottom” and etc.
It is too late to bury bitcoin. Wait till we reach March minimum ;)

You should understand some things:

1. There are more countries now open towards Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies

2. Much more people know about it ; to the extent that they are even studied in the universities.

3. Bitcoins even though it achieved all time high in 2017; it's more useful in 2020 due to the Pandemic thus people have pretty positive reviews towards it

4. It's not about the price
Price matters for the people who are in the market only because of profits but for the people whose lifestyle saw a big change due to cryptocurrencies; who are earning part time due to Bitcoins ; its different.

As for me usage is more of a priority compared to price. For me it's more valuable in 2020 :D ; supporting my family through this pandemic it's something that the government couldn't do.

You do have your own choice if you do leave out into this community but dont think that people would have similar impressions or views on what you had mentioned.

History can either nor cant repeat itself and no one knows if it would happen but you cant blame out people or the community not to have his hopes up yet they did already experience
of its potential which it can really reach up heights on where anyone isnt even expecting.

BTC is going to DIE? There are lots of similar threads on this forum do talk about that but look at where we now?

LOL you did compare the year where the bitcoin was hyped by investors, and at that time bitcoin was the only coin that most people know in the market. You just can say that bitcoin will die, bitcoin will be down or whatever just because the price today is not what you expected. The bitcoin is swimming on a lot of people, speculations that made the bitcoin more balance in volatility, there is no one sided movement for now because every one of us is waiting.

That's the spirit of an optimistic person! But honestly though the fact that BTC is undergoing another drop (which always remember could be much worse) is not a real reason to panic. This has happened so many times before and the frightened investors sold out quick only to realise that have they waited a little longer they would have been in a better position.

But who am I to talk right? The best we can do is keep our cool and take advantage of the dip - create a new opportunity from every other event. That's how you can keep holding it together after seeing this cycle repeat itself several times already.

Yeah... investing in cryptocurrency or bitcoin is not for feeble mind or impatient people.

I think people are expecting a rapid increase like it happened in 2017. We need to be a little patient for a major bullish trend.

Every time Bitcoin crashes a little bit, newbies think it's the end of the world, Bitcoin is doomed and it's time to dump. Then you all will be very sorry when Bitcoin reaches new heights or just returns to previous levels and a bit higher. Us veteran hodlers have seen 50% crashes and 80% many times, so what happening right now is nothing. You either learn to stay calm on this market or you leave and never return.

If we embrace 5G and 6G, there is a chance for Bitcoin. But it will take an extreme amount of Hard Drive memory if Bitcoin really goes worldwide. The blockchain is tremendously large right now. If Bitcoin were traded anything like the Forex ($5 trillion per day), can you imagine how large the blockchain would be? Anybody who wanted to run a full node would have to have more than hundreds of Terabytes of space. The Internet couldn't handle the congestion without 5G, and later, 6G.

Many people suggest that 5G is dangerous to our health. And 6G would probably be lots more dangerous. Probably Bitcoin will see a short heyday of power in the near future, but it will die for lack of people as they die from the radiation of 5G and 6G. For those who are ready for this short heyday, Bitcoin just might produce wealth beyond their dreams... for a short while.

Here might be the reason for Bitcoin strength in the near future, even though BTC will probably die later. Go to the site and see the real workings going on in China.


China To "Gradually" Sell 20% Of Its US Treasury Holdings, May Dump It All (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/290004-2020-09-04-china-to-gradually-sell-20-of-its-us-treasury-holdings.htm)




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going to DEAD ?? WOW...
as long as there are still those who buy and sell Bitcoin, Bitcoin will never die. If you really believe that Bitcoin is going to die then you should just sell yours to me for 50% less than the market price. :D

True story lol.
My eyes would always hurt when I see thread titles like this everytime Btc is having a dip or a correction. These are the same as the weak hands who easily give up their invested Btc once they feel like it's going down in it's worse position.
@OP, this isn't the 2017 where people were so hyped with how Btc is rising rapidly together with the rise of the ICO's and that makes the crypto market boom in a span of just months.
You're a former senior member in this community, you should've known Btc is such a very volatile asset.

If you were here already during the 2018 crash, I believe that you are not anymore worrying at this moment. The market has no single line, every ups has its down. This is the problem to the newbies because they only want pump but they don`t accept the dumps. If BTC is going to be dead in this year, I think you are wrong with that because adoption is only starting. Cryptocurrency will become more popular in the future and bitcoin will become the main currency soon. Therefore, prices are only the equivalent value of bitcoin but the usage itself will be used by the people.

If you think that bitcoin is a pump that works only in one direction, you will quickly become zero. I just want to say that even when bitcoin keeps a negative path (often of a protracted nature), for professionals, this is the time when you can earn money. You need to understand how the market works and control your actions.

Right, this is the trend here in this community, and the thing is, they are all saying that they are a holder, but when the price crashes, they bitch around and complain and ask what's the reason behind the decline.

I guess, this will continue in the next couple of days, and let them panic though, and sell, so that they will learn their lessons the next time bitcoin crashes 50%. Expensive lessons to learn, but it is what it is.

Yeah a Senior Member of the Community but still asking question that Newbie always ask.Good to Know you "Mr.Senior Member" .

The first Post already enough to answer your question,Because it is over hyped and really revolutionized for a short time.
Until those others that has no knowledge becomes Victim and trapped so they had full out investment and some never try to re invest.
These days we have a healthy and Real market and this is what we need to wait when to Boom again and make way up.

You know what's a more healthier discussion? Is about the development of Bitcoin that would help it's user and future users. Stop comparing and discussing the price of Bitcoin in 2017 and the current price since 2017 was the year where Bitcoin was overhyped as an investment by a scammer and the year of airdrops and ICO where it's still a thing full of innovation and not scammers.

If it is that easy for BTC to die, the government at all levels could have embraced such method to stop its existence. We are here for the freedom the blockchain revolution brought and trade on the go for those who have the desire for patience.

I'm going to teach you a little, when you go up a high mountain, will you reach the peak overnight without a break, so that's how the bitcoin market is, it's currently resting, so just wait for when it will explode, if you compare this 2020 with 2017 is very wrong, take a look at the correct historical order in my thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043315

Bitcoin will be dead if you are a Bitcoin hater it is already dead for you. I guess you might have invested in Bitcoin at the time when it reached its ATH in 2017 or early 2018 and from that date till now you might be holding your coins for it to again reach the same price point.

Venting out your frustration will not make your money come back. Hodling patiently and believing in the project will help you.

Sounds like desperate guy who want an instant money quadrupled from $1,000 to $4,000 overnight.
I understand your frustration but you have to be a little more patient abd I'm sure it'll paid off later , remember the last time bitcoin halving what's happened? Yeah it's not instant impact but a couple years later something crazy happened as you said the bitcoin price surge from just $2,800 to $19,000 within 4 months.

That similar event could still coming in the next few years or i'd say within 1 year? A lot of miners are holding in their bitcoin as selling them right now is a loss , so that's it.

People Like OP is nothing but a Bounty Hunter in which looking for a Bullrun hoping that His shitcoins onhold will have value and might Bring Him becoming rich instantly.

Why not Move on from 2017?why it seems that the market needs to claim the 20k price of Bitcoin or even higher?

do we forget what is Bitcoin?this is currency and not an asset,this is why we are not adopted worldwide until now because of these stupid kind of conversation that continuously blinding people around here.

There is no question at all that 5G will be something that will become quite common in the coming years - if you want to be competitive in the market you have no choice but to accept new technologies, regardless of their possible harmfulness. What is perhaps even more problematic with the 5G network is the significantly higher consumption of electricity - so we already have cases where in China 5G transmitters are turned off in a certain period of time in order to save energy.



I think you are too pessimistic, Bitcoin will always adapt to new conditions and advances in technology and take advantage of it. China may have too much influence on mining at the moment, but that is slowly changing and I believe that changes for the better will take place in that sector as well. The next 10 years could be crucial for positioning Bitcoin in the global market, and if we look at how much progress has been made in the first 10 years of existence, I have no doubt that Bitcoin will exist as long as the Internet exists.

People always comparing the bitcoin price reached before and up to the present.  Indeed this Op might bought the price of btc when it reaches at peak, and it's not going to be dead if the current price take long to have the all time high. For those who believes in Bitcoin will just stay and will patiently hold. That's the mindset for those people who didn't believe in bitcoin assume to be dead and don't have value.

It's still a healthy movement.
I think you are expecting too much which is a problem. You should stop that.
Rush profits will just end up into something worse. This is not HYIP. This is bitcoin we are talking about.

But no worries, I have been on that position before until I learn more in this forum.
If you are a former Senior Member here then I bet you also did.
Anyway, this might not be a bitcoin discussion so it must be moved.

Whats there to discuss?
All you ever search about was the good year of the Bitcoin you need to move on bro yeah Bitcoin had a huge hype back in 2017 but it wasn't really a good growth you could see that it went down drastically because people didn't really have a proper knowledge about what they are investing in.
Back then people are just riding the hype doesn't really know what it is exactly and that is the reason why we had so many people crying about crypto being scam later on.
You also forgot to mention that it took 7 years before it hit $20K and expecting it to go up there again after it had a huge fall?
I think you are one of the weak hands who always have a negative thoughts about Bitcoin on it would only turn into worthless crypto or so on.

Hype are always there as it is part of how the crypto market works and with regards to your subject that btc is going to dead, I am not so sure whether it will eventually to happen because as of this moment there is a very small chance that it will happen.

The demand of bitcoin is there and it's dominance is still sitting at 50% so it is very opposite to what is your subject all about. Every efforts will not be wasted even if it doesn't
work as of this moment but it will eventually work in the following months or years as I am pretty sure that what happen last 2017 will likely to happen again. That is how the market works and this will continue as long as the investors,traders,holders and etc. will continue to earn a profit.

I don't see any reason why we should compare what happened in the past to the current situation we have now. Bitcoin was too overhype way back then perhaps because a lot of people invest in it as the news explode regards with Bitcoin. Bitcoin was still unpredictable, no one really knows what might exactly happen, yeah we can speculate or make our own analysis but this only has a low chance to happen. Moreover, I have my opinion that we're just only the beginning, Bitcoin may surge soon so try to be more patient.

I miss these kinds of posts guys!

As far as I know, the first thread I read about this is a member with a name with Quack on it, I kind of forget it. So, everyone has their opinion with these changes, with these sudden drops all I know is that it will keep on pushing forward and it will push harder in the incoming months as this is the best time for us to reinvest.

You need to stop placing so high an emphasis on price. As with all markets/stock/commodities and so on prices move upwards and downwards based on supply and demand and market conditions, just because something drops in value doesn't mean it is going to die. The only way BTC or anything else for that matter could die is if people no longer feel it is of use to them or provides no more value to them, all this is irrelevant of the price of the product itself.

Based on what you have written it seems that you don't really understand the concept of Bitcoin and have most likely purchased more than you are comfortable with and at a higher price then it is at today and you are now simply panicking.

This is unfortunately true for many people on here who buy into bitcoin something based on the encouragement of friends/colleagues or after having read some foolish news article.
Case in point (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/style/bitcoin-millionaires.html)

People ain't interested in if it works or not or its tech.

People interested in bitcoin's price.

If you told people that rice prices will always go up in the next 10 years, people would store rice in every hole they could.

And if btc was $0.01, nobody would give a damn about it anymore. Only the junkies maybe. Back to the original state of crypto :P

2017 is the year a lot of people started venturing into investing in bitcoin and it is very overhyped especially altcoin. People bring a lot of money into crypto which makes the price keep rising. During this period bitcoin and altcoin created a lot of media attention which bring more people into investing in the coin. Today, crypto has gone up and down and there has never been any overhyping that surpassed the previous year

For me, I'll prefer to hold than to sell it in that price.

I believe that bitcoin's price will increase again and it will reach another ATH again maybe next year.

I'd rather hold it than to sell it because this is the only asset that I prioritize. I also hold altcoins but I must say that BTC is not dead because it reached $12k last month which is a good sign that bitcoin is really moving. The only question is that, until when we will hold it? Predictions are hard to rely on but the important thing is to hold your btc as long as you can.

It is a little bit more clear to me on the technical analysis than it is on the fundamental. Although, I can not state the exact reasons why it got to the all time high of $19800 in 2017 but i believe the prices were running way higher than expectation as people were yet to get to the reality of the existence of bitcoin. Looking at the technical analysis, there exists a resistance somewhere arouund the $12000+ region and this is the second time it is retesting that region, I am strongly belieivng that the next retest will breakout or take a full nose dive.

agree with your opinion, it took bitcoin several times to break through $ 12K to stay there for a long time so it is certain that the journey to increase is imminent.
although there is still a long time to go until the end of the year and it is possible for bitcoin to fall back down.

but after that bitcoin momentum will run quickly to continue up to $ 15K at the end of the year and not stop there bitcoin will move better until next year. and we'll see to it that 2017 will repeat itself and maybe over 2017.

Good question. we all have to understand about bitcoin because bitcoin is a virtual currency and digital asset so we can't all be sure when bitcoin will fluctuate like all other cryptocurrencies because no one can control the stock market, so I don't think bitcoin will die.

I see posts like



from a person wearing a signature and I pull the trigger. Maybe too fast maybe not...

Having the right knowledge can make money for you despite of the trend in the market, those who bought because of the hype will not last in the market because they know nothing and depends only to the signal, but those who know bitcoin can literally say that this market will not die in the next decade despite of uncertainties, we know the market will always go up and down, we have to ride that trend.

It is so funny when thinking about the death of BTC because it doesn't boost up again like it was in 2017. Let's laugh together for this joke.
Well, mate, whoever you are, a senior member of the Bitcoin community or whoever you are, why should you become just that kind of panic? Are you really panic or you can want to make people panic? And, you wish people will sell their BTC soon?
Nowadays, many people have been smarter and more careful in facing the hype and also FOMO or even FUD.
As we know, BTC is now something common, many people have already known about this crypto, and not that kind of hype as in 2017. Additionally, the BTC price probably doesn't increase so significantly. But, we can see the progress of the BTC price, so smooth.
So, why should be considered dead because of that matter? Nonsense.

Whales that time had made it hype with their capacity to invest more bitcoin. After they see the hype they invested more bitcoin and wait for the target to sell. Not only the whales but also to the bitcoin community who had still extra financial who made to buy more because of the hype. If we will going to compute how the community added the hype or increase during the 2017 if there are 5 million bitcoin users around the world and then hold 1 btc or let us say they had invested 1k$ of bitcoin then multiply the number of users which is 5M the result would be that huge enough to move bitcoin to even up to 30k$. The quantity or number of users and the investing capacity cause the hype.

Nice to meet this guy! I may not know him but I guess he says already who he is a Sr.Member of Bitcoin Community and has a newbie account in bitcointalk forum.

it is a a digital currency but it's different from the other virtual currency because most of them are plain predictable but btc isnt so you need to specify btc properly the next time you write .

Also not all crypto currency are same as btc because others are stable and partially stable which is also easily predictable . Laslty stock market has no connection on the life span of btc   .

I respect the opinion that OP has, the same thing I respect others.

I definitely not to argue with him coz in the first place I know already that Bitcoin is not going be dead but instead of seeing it places a vital role in the community. OP just missed the thing about Bitcoin, he only focuses on the price but not the way it serves to be of its purpose, the reason for its creation. If he probably welcoming crypto, he'll never say like that.

I need to push him to trust Bitcoin, he's one of those people who've been looking Bitcoin as a scam thing, unrealistic, and just a fool. We are all not like him that is why Bitcoin pertains to survival against the negative because a lot of people sees already the benefits from it.

If you are regular in crypto market, I guess you wouldn't say such words. The criteria you used to predict this has nothing to do IMO. Nevertheless, BTC seems to have a good support on $10000 and if it is, we may see another bullish season soon.

People who see bitcoin as a fraudulent scheme simply do not understand what they are talking about. Aren't there fewer scammers in Fiat? Aren't there fewer fraudulent credit card transactions? Scammers are everywhere and defining bitcoin as a fraud tool is just as stupid as saying that only people can swim, and everyone else is alive and going to the bottom.

In short, people are more interested in gain than any other aspect at all.  If a person knows that he will take a profit, he will gladly jump in it without understanding anything.  Profit/Gain is alwasy been the driving factor of investors. 

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This is the reason why Bitcoin is labeled as a high-risk investment by other finance advisors.  You can buy it high today and later, the price will crash or you sell it at low today and tomorrow's price skyrocketed.  High volatility has always been the trademark of Bitcoin.  And there are lots of threads and topics about the "Death" of Bitcoin  but none had happened so far.

Bitcoin will not die because it is on the CME market but so it will fluctuate within a price limit. Bitcoin's transaction volume is currently very large, with a seller, someone will buy them. Bitcoins are in a downtrend right now and they're just getting started. Where the market will go down will surely no one know and we have to wait.

I agree with you. He seemed frustrated regarding the Bitcoin price, so maybe he is losing profits right now? Nonetheless, Bitcoin has been presumed to be dead long before. But it hasn’t and it won’t, because many are still into it and believe on it. Bitcoin is not at fault for the existence of scammers here, scammers will always do their ventures whenever and wherever possible.

I believe btc is not going to dead. Now this time cryptomarket is down. Btc are struggle now at cryptomarket. I hope btc can recover.  And btc price will increase 40000$. Best wishes for btc.

in my opinion, 2017 was the biggest hype in cryptocurrency history. where many ordinary people who do not understand the volatility of the crypto market come into this circle and make the high demand for bitcoin, so it is very natural that the price increases rapidly in just a matter of months. I think this year can be said to be normal !!! and let's wait for the next surprise of bitcoin in 2021

In 2025 BTC will go to the moon just after the recovery of financial world crisis from 2022.

no matter what the OP or others are saying about btc going to be dead, those of us believers will not be affected by such speculation. we know within ourselves, that this kind of statement has no basis. even if he is comparing those previous years. as others have said, he's only looking at the price level but not in the adoption facet of btc.
 because if he even look at how btc is growing, how merchants are integrating crypto, how big companies are venturing in blockchain tech, he will not even think that btc is going to be dead...
  very very far from it in my opinion!

if you don't believe in crypto currency especially bitcoin, you can go out and sell your bitcoin. or you can donate for free to people in need. like me.
ha ha ha

Maybe they mean it as nobody is using bitcoin as intended but only as a speculative investment.

Bitcoin adoption as a sound money is as high as its price if you ask me.

None of what you just said makes any sense. Yes if bitcoin goes down you will pay more bitcoin for a errr.... Pizza??? Why are you bringing up pizza? Because of the 10k bitcoin pizza? What has that got to do with anything?
Bitcoin dead? Your English is very difficult and cofusing to understand maybe you should try again or edit your post so we can better understand you because bitcoin is certainly being used to buy things and is far from dead.

something reasonable if you don't believe it, so many people want to accommodate it, including myself, if someone wants to send it. the strange thing when it comes to cypto is asking that you don't believe in bitcoin even though the connotation of crypto is inherent in the existence of bitcoin. crypto is definitely bitcoin, and it cannot be separated.

My prediciton is the BTC price will be going down until $6k per BTC and it will be stagnant for sometime

I don’t know what’s wrong with some people , why is it hard for you people to understand that cryptocurrency is a volatile market? You are being told so many times that the price of Bitcoin fluctuates and you know that. When a price of Bitcoin goes up, it wouldn’t be going up forever , there are also times it will start falling.

But a fall in price doesn’t mean that the market is dead, it’s just how the market is. I know that most of you want the price to start going up, because you’re all focused on getting rich from cryptocurrency. Even the stock market still goes up and down and that’s how every market works.

I understand that bitcoin's value may affect its adoption since more people will be interested to use it if its price keeps on shooting up. But how high does it have to go before it becomes ripe for mass adoption? And how low does its price have to drop before we start getting worried?  

Again Bitcoin defies naysayers for over a decade. Unfortunately for all of those naysayers, Bitcoin is still alive, kicking and stronger than ever as it approaches its third halving event. According to the Bitcoin Obituary page, Bitcoin has been proclaimed dead 390 times since it came into existence in 2008.

It's not going to die because you say so. I'm yet to see at least one sign of it dying. A 10% drop in value on a tradable asset is not a sign of dying.


Just look how we've evolved in the last 5 years. Not long ago people were frustrated because Bitcoin was below 5000 USD and now they complain about going from 11 to 10 thousand.

Hopw can anyone be frustrated about 10 thousand dollar Bitcoin is beyond my understanding.

Bitcoin might slog around for years just like it has lately. If we want to keep it as a relatively decentralized payment method, there are several things that will have to happen:
1. We will need thousands or millions of people, with multitudes of terabytes of memory in their home computers, to run full nodes and maintain the bloated blockchain. If we don't get these people, the blockchain will become centralized by the few big operators who will have this kind of memory, and we will lose the greatest advantage we have with crypto, decentralization;
2. We will need high speed Internet to the tune of at least 5G. 6G is being looked at, even though 5G hasn't been implemented to any great degree. We need this so that the kinds of transaction volume that will come along in the future will be able to be handled;
3. The reason the Devs haven't expanded beyond 1mb blocks is to keep transactions to a minimum, so the blockchain doesn't become bloated before we have new household computers, and Internet capability to handle it. Once we are ready with the LARGE hard drives and the FAST Internet, the Devs have to be ready to increase the block size so that more transactions can be handled, cheaply. This means that everybody who is running a full node will have to get the new Core app;
4. We will need more efficient computers to use less electricity when mining. This will allow more people to run full nodes and mine. Hopefully this will keep the miner's fee down through mining competition. We can expand into households and small business with the low miner fee, and be competitive;
5. All this depends on what governments and banks will do to keep a monopoly on fiat.


It seems that Bitcoin is a payment method that arrived before technology was ready for it... before its time, so to speak. Let's hope we can make it work in the near future, before people give up on it altogether.

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I think this is wrong because Bitcoin is a currency that no one has control over. It runs on its own and nothing can be said about its value. It can go very high and it can go down because when a lot of peoples buy it, the price goes up and when a lot of peoples sell it, then the price goes down. It is wrong to say that it will end now. It is a never ending thing and it will never end. Whenever the price of Bitcoin is low, some people start giving such false news.

I think the price of bitcoin is not increasing because many countries has banned it so new investor is not coming in the market so I think that's the reason why the price of bitcoin is hovering between $6000-13000 but I think after ending covid-19 the price of bitcoin can increase exponentially

   Don't be misled by the headline and this topic, we had so many of them and Bitcoin is still alive and well. And the price is rising,
just check where the price was in the beginning of this year, and then check the price now. This drop is what we expected to
happen, the price can't rise all the time.
   Covid-19 is a virus, and I don't see any connections with that virus and Bitcoin price. We had good days here in crypto-currencies
while the pandemic was at the peak, maybe I am wrong about this, if I am I would like to hear from someone why, thanks in advance.

Bitcoin has a resting point where it doesn't have any movements in its price so don't think that bitcoin is dead. It can make another ATH again, we never know, bitcoin is volatile and unpredictable in the market. I just want you to know that BTC can reach the impossible and this coin has a lot of potential to dominate the market. Bitcoin is in a $10k range right now after reaching $12k last month, it is not impossible that bitcoin can produce another ATH maybe at the end of 2021 next year.

BTC was hit 20k in 2017. In this yr BTC hit 12k. In my opinion if corona pandemic not happened then btc must hit 20k+ in this year. Because of corona pandemic btc price hit 12k and the get down. But till now btc price around 10k.

The value peaked back in 2017 because everyone and their mothers started buying bitcoin for absolutely no reason (it was kind of a "trend" for a short while). I guess the trend is over now and most people gave up on it, and it's back to its initial state (kind of) hence the value drop. I bet there'd be another peak in the future. It's up to you if you wanna invest or sell, be wise tho.

That's the key, "patience", think of it as putting your money in a magic piggy bank.

But if it doesn't work, then the key was "patients" - bitcoin patients, I mean - and you didn't know it.

 ;D

Hi,
Good question Matrix.MAx.
BTC will reach 20k it's a matter of time, last 2 months its slowly going up. Long term is the best.
And this year with Covid people don't spent cash on crypto.
I entered the crypto world in 2017 when that all began earned some cash sold and bought more. I know its a long time but that day will come again and BTC will peek over 20k.
That's my opinion Sir

I'm still puzzled as to why many people keep buying (or "invest") in bitcoin, or believe that it's a "store of value," especially when a lot of merchants stopped accepting it as a form of payment (Amazon, Expedia, Microsoft, etc.)

There is no question that Bitcoin went a long way (they now have ATM's worldwide, you can get a debt/credit card with bitcoin, and you can purchase gift cards to pay for Amazon, Ebay, etc. from certain websites, and I really like the fact that I don't need to pay fees exchanging currencies when I'm abroad.) However, do you really think that Bitcoin will survive in the long-run? I mean if the market is so volatile why would companies accept bitcoin and risk losing their money (the value of Bitcoin could tremendously decrease after the sales transactions?) Furthermore, do you really think that governments will allow such creation to replace their currency (causing them to lose power?)

Bitcoin is a threat to governments, its central banks, and banking institutions in general. There will be a lot of unemployment if the role of central banks is eliminated.

Bitcoin IMO is a disaster waiting to happen (and let's not fool ourselves here, most of the people who keep the market alive by trading in it are in it for the profits, not the ideology.) Most of you (including myself) are in it for the "long-term profit." Am I wrong here?

I, for one don't want Bitcoin to replace my country's currency  ::)

it is proven that bitcoin is still victorious whatever you say that the bitcoin trend is over or whatever it is possible to say that bitcoin does not match the expectations you received, but now it can prove and remain victorious and will continue to be a fun investment.
be patient with you to see this reality and it will keep going on with increasing.

thinking
with playing it will reach soon 100K.
it looks so Amazing...

Hey, What Stuck in road of 100K.....
Ether is going up....!
Personally least prefer to work on Ether due to "Gas - gwei" Confusion.

BTC will never die many times the market starts to go down due to drop the price of coins rises as the crypto market does not rise or fall. BTC will survive as long as crypto lasts crypto demand continues to grow through investments in bitcoin as the market is improving, so are the currencies although I can't predict the future of BTC it is going to come if you pump it this time it will go up a lot. There is no chance of death.

While fully acknowledging your point of view, and I am also a supporter of this market, but maybe you say I'm a crazy and stupid guy, yes I will accept it, but I want to share. For a case that I just came up with, I don't know anyone who has ever thought that way. A scenario that can be seen as desperate is that the entire market up to this point or the future has been specifically planned and its creators prepared it one by one to create one. Most historic crash in the financial sector, I'm feeling crazy :), and now tell me so, isn't that really stupid?

if someone says that, maybe he or she has not studied bitcoin at all and does not understand what happened to bitcoin.
it is clear that you said that as long as there is crypto, you can be sure that bitcoin will always exist and will remain the main goal of crypto.

many investors continue to pursue and save bitcoin for investment, both short and long term. because bitcoin always provides an advantage for the holder because it is always sought after and traded, so until now from the market cap it is clear that bitcoin trading has been very active to date, so if anyone says bitcoin will die, then it is better that he has to learn more.

Don't doubt about bitcoin because bitcoin is a decentralized currency and has quite a number of uses. In the past, bitcoin prices only ranged from $ 6,000 to $ 12,000 and at that time there were still many who said bitcoin was very expensive than in previous years. at this time we can see an increase in bitcoin prices from 2020 to the present, which is a very far increase compared to the increase in bitcoin prices in previous years, this increase occurs because more and more investors buy bitcoin from year to year.

This assumption is not an emphasis but an expectation on bitcoin price which has not been developed for some time. but look at this year the price of bitcoin has soared incredibly and this can be used as the most fantastical upward trend in bitcoin

think everything is stuck

in my mind another question is arise...
DEFI is emerged for a protection of Investor to protect against sudden price fall...
then why it happen again...
DEFi is failed....!

See, buddy. All those early questions were answered for you.
Why this, why that. Bitcoin is $ 40,000 and people are crying. Remember the 10k price when you posted this?
Imagine that, Bitcoin is down to $ 30,000 or $ 40,000 and everybody is now in despair.

appear disapper is a different matter.
Dominance is also downing fro 60% to 40%. it's a big matter.

Its a time for healthy discussion....

1) fees charged by all is different.....!
    There is a huge Gap between Buying Rate & Selling rate....
    Withdrawal Charges not altered from time to time as the BTC rate is going High...
    etc etc...
2) BTC failed to focus on earlier project (Old is Gold base).....    ​
3) Just focussed only on creation of other CryptoCoin and defocused on application of OtherCoin.....
   ​ (imbalance in creation and it's utilization.)

everyone is too hopeful that btc will continue to rise but their expectations are not in line with the existing reality, for people who have long held bitcoin as an investment this may be a common thing because in previous years something like this also happened. but for people who are just starting out and buying btc at a fairly large price because they are tempted by yesterday's price increase which was expected to reach $ 60k this is a big enough blow that they start complaining about the decrease and correction of btc that is happening now.
Be patient, friend, don't be too exaggerated because sometimes the expectations you expect are not necessarily in line with reality.
your expectations of bitcoin are so great that what is seen is only about its profits but not like that, this is about the long term not just buying at such a price and selling it to be more expensive

No it wouldn't die it is the other way around Bitcoin or crypto is surely here to stay.
It was different back in 2017 and in the recent increase before the dump.
I believe that in 2017 people are buying it even if they don't know a thing about it because it was being spread too much in the internet and the price was climbing too fast so they don't want to miss it.
And when the decline started they panic so all of those who just bought it because of the hype has sold their crypto and left (I think).
And in 2020 people are already aware of it and almost everyone knows or heard about Bitcoin or crypto currency and also not to mention that in 2020 more companies or corporate are already investor,
So it would be hard to think that with those huge number of investors and companies it would just die,
We who have experience the 2018 continues dump would surely know that this isn't the first time and wouldn't be the last so calm down and enjoy it while you can,
You might never know when would the next 2017,2020 pump would happen again and you might regret not investing when it was on low price.

BTC needs space to adjust and is mostly on the chart for the past week, except for strong dribbles and breaks.  Market sentiment has been hit very hard and bounce back is almost nil at the moment.  It takes time to recover all.  Not much to expect bitcoin to rank soon!  bitcoin is strong today hitting MA after continuous shocks.  It is strong condition for trust, it will...

Yes It Is Going to dead which is a Loss to the bitcoin market and we have to wait for some few days after that it will surely make some decisions that we can be able to work on it ... Hence only there is a way that can be very good for us.

Its price may go down to zero after many many years from now. But for now or the near future, I don't regard such thing as possible. Bitcoin still has a long way to go now. It will continue to break great records.

Bitcoin has gone through tough times many times, so give Bitcoin time to recover. And we must be optimistic and believe that Bitcoin will recover,
therefore what we need to do is be patient with holding our Bitcoin. Because Bitcoin until now has proven to be the strongest crypto, so the current
price decline is only temporary. People who are patient will definitely get a wonderful surprise from Bitcoin, I say that because Bitcoin often
gives unexpected profits.

We have seen many Bitcoin price drops in the past and they can be even worse than the present like China bans in the past, Bitcoin ban in India, MTGOX exchange, BIFINEX being hacked. and had hundreds of millions of dollars of cryptocurrency taken away, economic experts' statements to disparage, curse Bitcoin...
Bitcoin hit a new ATH in the first 6 months of 2021 and we don't know how far Bitcoin can go so trust that Bitcoin won't die so easily.

In my opinion Bitcoin is the greatest investment in this planet, because no one other asset can beat the ROI in 10 year. Is there any other asset can reached ROI above 1 million persen in 10 year? That only Bitcoin.
A lot of people in the world changed their financial from Bitcoin, and more people will do the samething. Buy, hold and take easy for years, by this easy way we can change our life.

if you ask me personally btc will die, i dare say no
because it is difficult to turn off bitcoin that has been built for dozens of years,
there are still many big companies investing in bitcoin ..
If the problem of falling prices is common ... not only now, it has happened before ...
so don't panic ..
take it easy ...

Your opinion makes me laugh. The market for cryptocurrency and bitcoin is huge, and bitcoin will not disappear.

Although the price of bitcoin fluctuates a lot, I firmly believe that it will not die.

We should be glad that more and more people will know about bitcoin and join it in the future.

It can't die, we have seen it drop from a low 5 digit to a low 4 digit number back in 2017 so how can we be so sure that bitcoin is going to die this time? I am not sure what OP is talking about but I assume that it is about the pattern which I completely can debunk if I let OP look at the charts for 2018 and 2021, the crash happened in January 2018 but this didn't happen this year which means that it is different this year.

I think we are missing something here, at the time op made this post btc price was probably below 30k ^{am assuming not sure} but since then when btc hit ath above 60k did the op visit this thread back to acknowledge his short-sightedness about btc and the whole market movement,  I don't think so, same thing is happening again now, many people just making thread about btc dying because of a price dump that we should be familiar with by now.

Bitcoin is dead
Bitcoin doesnt have future
Bitcoin is cant replace fiat
Bitcoin wont be come mainstream

Lots of words that we had able to read up after all the years we've been lurking into this market and you would mostly
find up these sentiments when you do see that bitcoins price is really going to the floor and when it recover
then those words would changed up which is not something new.

If you didn't sell when it was high then shame on you if that's what you want out of BTC.  Stop whimpering about holding too long.  Now you're simply going to have to wait until it rises again just like eveyone else.

In fact buy MORE.  But for God sake stop crying over spilt beer.

I'm also surprised that everything is only determined by the moment when bitcoin experiences a very deep correction, even though this kind of correction has not only happened this time and has often happened to bitcoin. it must be admitted that the current correction is not the same as the correction at the time it usually occurs in bitcoin, this is due to a thicker external factor, namely bad news from someone who takes advantage of popularity to his followers and is anticipated by investors excessively, which also coincides with the news of bitcoin being banned in China.

but can it be relevant it can cause bitcoin to die !!! there is no clear correlation between them, bitcoin will continue to exist and is still needed because it has merged with many existing needs. if investors didn't make a detrimental move with the wrong actions maybe bitcoin wouldn't have corrected too deeply.

currently bitcoin is still holding between $30K-$40K and is still in a stable position and has never fallen below the crucial price of $30K, if it does happen we will see further impacts but I believe that bitcoin will be able to rise again, obviously there is still a long way to go for bitcoin to move better again.

I'm pretty confident that BTC wont drop down in price to the point that we'll spend thousands of BTC just for a "single pizza". Analyze the situation carefully OP. The market is influenced by supply and demand, in each passing year BTC is gaining more and more popularity from people across the globe. Even popular people are now acknowledging its value, take Elon Musk as an example. BTC currently exceeded 20k, it was recently priced at 50k. Of course it wouldnt stay that way, as it is unstable. Now it is back to 30k but atleast it hasnt dropped down drastically.

actually it took you only a month of waiting after this thread created that Bitcoin climbs up more than the highest you mentioned .

meaning you should delete this thread or else continue to become the talk of the town, or should i say laugh at you.

Ha Ha Ha..

everyone says bitcoin is dead, everyone is afraid to invest in bitcoin, because of twet elon musk, prices are starting to fall,
but I'm sure bitcoin in the future will be fine, and will return to normal as before, bitcoin will never die ..

Ups and downs are an integral part of Bitcoin market. Those who have a problem with that should stay away from Bitcoin and divert their funds to more stable assets such as treasury bonds and bank deposits. For long term holders like me, these short term fluctuations doesn't make any difference. I first invested in Bitcoin almost 9 years ago (in 2012), and the current exchanges represent a 400x increase from my initial purchase price. But for some people, they are more contend with a gradual 2x return. In such cases, I don't want to argue with them.

no one can stop bitcoin.  So don't ever be afraid to invest in bitcoin.  Currently, many large companies accept bitcoin.  In addition, the price of bitcoin has reached an All time high many times.  So no investment is more promising than bitcoin.

BTC to die?
First of all, every commodity that is in existence has already existed either as itself or as another commodity. Thay is why there is always a track or phases of operations or life cycle of BTC.
Looking at the way BTC is going, you should understand that BTC no matter its massive adoption is still in the adoption phase. So, more people are yet to join the project. 
This then means there are many years of expected growth in the future.

But it is wrong to say that the efforts of the forum is not getting results.
You might not see it now, just as the name implies "campaign". So are converted same day while others will home and sleep over the information.

Trillions were dumped into COVID, some 7% of COVID funds went into BTC, so 2020 saw the rise up to $66k by by March 2021, this isn't going to happen, now BTC will slowly dwindle to base of $10k, it already broke the $30k,

Where will the new sucker money come? BTC always trys to find new suckers, look at CHIA, they brought in an entire new base of 'green woke' suckers, that's where the growth will be, BTC is now dinosaur old fart crypto.

BTC will never die, anymore than cabbage patch dolls have died ( or 'pet rocks') , there are always fools that will embrace the scam all the way back to zero, and HODL

Look at all ponzis in human history, all had their day in the sun, and then fell out of favor, this too shall pass.

Most campaigns these days and paid influencers on youtube, are trying to bring in 'green woke' suckers to the fold, the original base of losers has been played out.

Rebranding is the game today, BITCOIN is yesterday's crypto.

Last year 2k shitocoins, this year 10k shitcoins, there will probably be 100k shitcoins next year, but some will be 100x better than bitcoin, that's where smart people have moved, and only morons HODL;

This is actually a good sign to invest in bitcoin because with a lot of fear and uncertainty in the market, people are selling at a loss and with the market going down, it will be an opportunity for the other smart investor to buy bitcoin at a really low price and hodl it for long-term and wait for the profits to come in.

Bitcoin will not return to zero. First of all, from a historical point of view, Bitcoin has been running smoothly for 10 years since its birth in 2009. During this period, there have not been any major security problems. Its recipient population has also expanded from a small number of technical geeks to the general public in the world. The number of people in the group is roughly estimated to be 5,000. More than 10,000 yuan, and still growing, the continued growth of Bitcoin holders will become a strong support for Bitcoin to go through the trough.

Well, I was admiring the dedication of that one Bitcoin hater from another thread, now I see another one on a different thread with the same purpose or goal in making sure that Bitcoin and maybe cryptocurrency in general will eat shit. Now judging by the description, this is a Bitcoin hate that you are seeing. And I think these individuals will stop at nothing to ensure that they will be able to entice others not to deal with Bitcoin or any other crypto.

if you say bitcoin will die, I will die too, you will also die hahahahah`` Iran banned bitcoin mining, China also banned bitcoin mining, Elon Musk also posted negative things about bitcoin, Tesla also announced that he no longer wants to accept bitcoin,, all bitcoins are down,, but for us true warriors, take it easy, we must be strong, and we must believe that bitcoin will be safe and secure,, let's take the opportunity to collect bitcoins, so that we can take advantage of the future,, let the haters bite finger..

I agree with you bro, if they say bitcoin will die, we are all ready to buy all bitcoins they have, but all this is their trick, they purposely say that bitcoin will die, so they can easily collect bitcoin, after all bitcoins are collected, they will definitely sit still, just waiting for profit..

I assume that OP doesn't have any bitcoin in possession because he is spreading FUD about bitcoin, OP is waiting for the prices to go down too, I mean that's the only reason someone's spreads FUD, they want to make sure that they can buy at a really low price so they can profit when the prices goes up again.

in 2013 and 2017 the rise of btc was peppered with people who were just learning about crypto and a lot of fomo were buying btc so btc was growing so fast, but for now it's different because only some people are still buying btc because if you look at btc it's too expensive and only certain people dare to hold it and of course people who are weak in holding coins don't dare to invest here, they prefer altcoins because apart from a lot of coins there, the coins are also relatively affordable in price.
that is the reason why the atmosphere in buying btc is less in the current period.
but to say that btc will die I don't think so, this coin will not die for now because there are still many people who are interested in btc.
for addition, maybe you are too hopeful that the price of btc will rise instantly but the way it works is not like that, you have to be more patient

you are too much comrade if you say btc will die, stay calm don't panic too much with situations like that.
you say about 2017 means you know the increase in that year was like, so what now? you doubt the increase? everything needs a process, friends, stay calm and there is no need to rush, this is not an instant way to get money, it needs a process because everything will be fine.
don't think too much about the future price that is not certain because it will go up but wait for time and don't be greedy for it

How many times can someone keep asking the same questions differently?  I guess as many as the people who constantly need attention who have no concept of how BTC works.

The same could be said for ANY stock you buy.  One day it might double in price and the next you might not even be able to buy a pizza for the value of it.

What difference does it make?

We experience double the price you mentioned in the first quarter of this year and I know whosoever holds the coin then will never regret doing so. Bitcoin is not going anywhere to being dead not even close.

I don't agree with you, I don't think Bitcoin will ever die. I know it to be an unstable coin, which rises and downs.
The price surpasses $40k as of January this year, although it later dropped down. I will suggest we buy more Bitcoin, because it will surely rise. And when it rises, those who bought it at a lower price we definitely be making a good profit. We just have to be a little bit patience.

I really like your mindset, sometimes this kind of mindset is highly recommended because basically if you think negatively then the result will be negative but on the contrary if you think positive then the result will be beautiful.
other than that bitcoin is indeed a high risk but to say bitcoin will die it feels ridiculous because I think this is the last thing that happened and the possibility is very small.
because if you look at this chart, it's the same as in 2017 and 2013 what are you worried about? after this is done, of course it will be beautiful, it's just a matter of time

Yes Galestorm...
BTC moving up and down at 50K. It is firming it's base for nezt level. What next if it reach to 500k ie Half Million.
Still it use as gambling/speculative coin or much more than that....