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as ive seen topic focusing on casinos offering no withdrawal fees, I made a list of casinos with internal exchange (usually can be found in their cashier tab) along with the supported cryptocurrencies.
for those gamblers who are interested in exchanging their coins before playing and before withdrawal =

               
Note : Gambling sites using Third Party Services
You can also exchange your funds between/inside stake.com, using the services of dinabot.exchange (https://dinabot.exchange/). you can visit their new thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360184.0), and check their promocodes. The exchange fee rate is about 3-5%.
Also, Poorbot.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479380.0), is now offering a simple currency exchanger for Stake casino, with effective fee rate of about 0.3%.

*special thanks to bullrun2020bro (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2744352) for the table format and hosseinimr93 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=995810) for calculating the approx. exchange fee (ref. CoinGecko (https://www.coingecko.com/).)

NOTE : since all of the gambling sites listed so far have NO KYC requirements, i removed the column asking if it requires KYC or not, so we will just add under Additional Notes if it requires KYC, otherwise, the site has NO KYC

for those who want to add gambling site, you can use this format :


suggestions are welcome and this post will be updated accordingly. thanks!

What is their rate for exchanging coins and is there any fee for that?

If they are using some third party service for that like Coinswitch, than I am sure there is some fee.
Coinswitch charges fee from 0% to 0.49% but I am not sure about others, so you need to make calculations if you think about saving on withdrawal fees.

I know that Betfury has Changelly integrated for exchanging coins, so maybe you can add that to your list:

Crypto.Games
Supported Cryptocurrency : Bitcoin, BitcoinCash, Dash, Doge, ETH, NEO, Litecoin, STRATIS, Monero.

They already give you the rate on the website, the rate always automatically update every few minutes according to the market price. More information about their exchange converted you can find on Crypto.Games.

Source : https://crypto.games/

would be hard to give definite answer regarding rate for exchanging coins as it depends on the market price, and more then likely, the fee is already integrated with their rates. (remember how crypto exchanges work, no fee yet their rates deviate a lil bit different with global market)

using 3rd party services will indeed incur some fees. so before exchanging your coins, make sure to check also if there's advantage of doing so or just keep your original coins.

betfury added. thanks!


added. thanks!

Bitsler doesn't allow all users to use their exchange.
Users must reach Bronze 2 level to be able to use Bitsler's exchange.
The amount needed to be wagered for reaching Bronze 2 level varies from 1,140 to 2,280 dollar depending on games you play.
More information can be found in the following article.

Bitsler Casino - How to use the Exchanger? (https://help.bitsler.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012781774-How-to-use-the-Exchanger-)

Nice thread @AmoreJaz. You already added a lot of content to your post, but in my opinion it's a little hard to get an overview of all Gambling websites around. I would suggest you to use a table, so it is way easier for us users to compare the different websites. A basic table could look like this, e.g.:

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The template for a new row would look like this:


Feel free to use it, if you want. You can of course adjust this table, until it fits your needs. Anyway, thanks for creating this thread! Keep it updated!  :)

This is a nice question to ask IMO, there rate of exchange is useful to be included in the list op for better clarification, I know mostly that some gambling platforms might charges high and low depending on their terms and conditions, so I think it would be good to implore that in your table so gamblers have the option of choosing their respective site.

^ It should also be organized that good for the eyes of the reader/visitors. Probably the reason why there is no making this kind of thread just because a lot of things to do, and we also have a review website that has a list of all gambling sites. But it is an interesting fact if you will develop this list so that it is easy for us to find and use this as a reference when someone looking for gambling sites that have an exchange inside.
However, can I ask what is your criteria upon picking a gambling site?

@hosseinimr93 , will include the remarks in bitsler. thank you.

@bullrun2020bro, thanks much for the format, will edit the OP in a bit!


exchange rates depend on the market price so not possible to integrate it in the list (but if i found that they are basing their rates to a specific site, will include as well)


will adopt bullrun's table for easy reference.
as long as there's no existing issues with the site, will include in the list. i have no accts in other gambling sites so feel free to post your suggestion if you found a casino with their own exchange.

Very nice presentation thank you for doing it and ofc thank you to AmoreJaz too.
I think it could be even more interesting to know which ones request KYC and which ones don't.

despite it's a faucet site, also coinpot and their websites allow to exchange directly bitcoin and other crypto.
They have a multiply game (like a dice site with some options) that allow you to gamble on their site.
You can easily exchange the following coins:
BTC BCH DOGE LTC DASH (Tokens - a sort of coins created by them and rewarded free to users)
since they don't ask for withdrawal fees, I have found very convenient deposit dogecoin (from an exchange) and then exchange to bitcoin ;)

Another site that could be added in the list is Yolodice (https://yolodice.com/#exchange). Their exchange is similar to crypto games you can only exchange the coins they support and the fee is also mentioned below the exchange button.

Onehash also uses coinswitch but they only allow it for deposits unlike on stake where you can do it for both deposit and withdraws.

"you can only exchange the coins they support"  :D : the goal of the topic is precisely to name them ralle14.  
So correct me if I'm wrong but it's BTC, LTC, ETH and DOGE and it doesn't support fiat currencies.

DuckDice.io (https://duckdice.io/) and Tower.bet (https://tower.bet/) both casino have internal exchange service available.
Supported cryptocurrency: BTC, LTC, XRP, DOGE, ETH, XLM, BCH, DASH, USDT, ETC, XMR, ZEC, BTG.
They update the exchange rate after every few seconds. No need to provide KYC.

Topic title says gambling sites with internal exchange, while primedice and stake use third party exchanger service. And correct the windice.io title in that list. Though you provided the right link. And these three site also have another exchange service available which allows to exchange/transfer coins from one site to another. Check it here *** CryptoGamblersPub *** Exchange between/inside crypto gambling sites (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106586.). It is known as dinabot.

It could be a good idea to list the effective exchange fee, since gambling sites usually charge very high fees compared to traditional exchanges by offering rates below market. From the sites that I know, Bitsler charges 5% and Crypto.Games charges 3%.

I was about to create an account with Betnomi (https://www.betnomi.com/) around a week ago as I was chasing better odds. Upon signing up, users are asked which fiat currency they are interested to bet with.

If I'm not mistaken, betting is made available through fiat only. However, deposits and withdrawals are allowed in various cryptocurrencies. So that means Betnomi has also a sort of an internal exchange, although one which probably automatically does things for you upon deposit and withdrawal.

So I'm not sure if that makes the site valid under this compilation.

Anyway, I did not proceed as I was somehow expecting a wide spread in the site's internal exchange.

thanks and KYC stuffs added.


coinpot added! thanks.


yolodice added! thanks.
onehash - will check this site first.


dont worry im checking the site also.  ;)


duckdice & tower.bet added! thanks much!
primedice & stake are added in the list as you can exchange your coins within their site. windice corrected. thanks.


let me see if we can get that info to others. btw, is there particular statement from the site that they are charging such percentage in their effective exchange fee? because if we have no direct reference, hard to put that for added info.


pls see below response of betnomi regarding exchange rates they are applying within their site. so we cant add betnomi yet as we cant actually see a separate tab for internal exchange

I don't think any sites explicitly state their fees. You can find it pretty easily by seeing what rate they give you for exchanging 1 ETH to BTC (or any other pair) and comparing it to the spot price on CMC or a major exchange. You'll find that Bitsler's rate is 5% lower and Crypto.Games is 3% lower.


I wouldn't count CoinSwitch as an internal exchange since it's no different than manually going to Coinswitch, withdrawing from the casino and setting the deposit address to your casino deposit address. That's what Stake/Primedice do effectively.

I don't think you can exchange on stake.com from one coin to another at the time of withdrawal of funds.

This is because they don't provide that service. There's third party which isn't related to stake but provides an awesome exchange service at stake which is Dinabot which can be used at cryptogamblers.pub or just type cryptogambers pub on Google. The charge is a bit too high, but worth it.

Thanks for the list though, it really helps.

I visited gambling websites mentioned in the OP and calculated their fee based on ETH/BTC rate (except for Coinpot.co, for which I used LTC/BTC rate)

AmoreJaz, you can add the fee rates to OP from the table below.

_________________	______
Gambling Website	Fee
_________________	______
Bitsler.com (http://Bitsler.com)	5%
Windice.io (http://Windice.io)	5%
Luckydice.com (http://Luckydice.com)	1%
Crypto.Games (http://Crypto.Games)	3%
Yolodice.com (http://Yolodice.com)	4%
Coinpot.co (http://Coinpot.co)	2%
Duckdice.io (http://Duckdice.io)	3%
Tower.bet (http://Tower.bet)	3%
_________________	______

thats great hosseinimr! will add those info. but what site did you use for comparison purposes (just for the record)?


 ill modify the table and separate gambling sites using coinswitch. will not remove them as the info may help other gamblers, in some way.

It's good those gambling sites who you can convert your coins to other coins. Many gamblers do this so they can save the high transaction, because mostly the fee for the bitcoin is higher than the altcoins. When I withdrawing my coins when I withdraw to the gambling sites and if they offer a convertion of the coin I choose XRP because the fee is very low and very fast to go your wallet just Not like the other coin that need few confirmation.

Most of the time where I play is the stake.com and Primedice who serve to us few years and I think it will live long because of their good service to the gambler and exchanging coins why the reasons also why many people playing to the site.

I compared exchange rates offered by those gambling websites with the prices reported by CoinGecko (https://www.coingecko.com/).

I've been using stake.com for a long time because it's more fun to use this as a gambling website. Every time I deposit into BTC they automatically convert my funds into different coins like mostly the ripple ( XRP ) the reason why I always use their exchange because they have a lower transaction fee.

Also thanks for this list I have another kind of idea so I can experience different gambling website and enjoy my money

Thanks a lot AmoreJaz for putting efforts and making this much needed list because so far I was only aware of bitsler where we can convert our coins from one coin to another but with a small fees. Now that you have made such a long list, I will try out few of them which I have not tried yet.

But to be honest websites accepting various currencies cannot be called as having an internal exchange because like stake.com is great and everything but they do not have an in-built exchange. Yes they allow deposits from various coins through 3rd party but we cannot really call that as an internal exchange, please think about it as internal exchange simply means having your own in-built exchange for exchanging coins.

huh ? you will request a withdraw and exchange the coin to another coin at the same time  ? im confused if what your trying to say but why exchange when you already withdraw ?

this is what im about to say , dinabot . i tried using this and your right about the fee . so many people complain of thier high fee and the higher you exchange the higher they charge but if you exchange small , the fee is still be large so not worth it but it was amazing because its instant . you can transfer from stake to primedice or primedice to stake with any coins that they support .

People use those kind of services because of convenience everything is done within a few clicks and it saves you a bit of time since you don't have to create an account or log in on the exchange.

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Fairlay also have their own internal exchange and the fees are fixed it costs .001 (ltc, dash, bch, eth) depends on the altcoins you prefer to exchange .

https://fairlay.com/markets/exchange/

It is nice to have a list of gambling sites with internal exchange since I want to have most of my profit and I would try to avoid using crypto with a huge transaction fee like Bitcoin.
I always end up having less profit because of the high transaction fee and always wants to use other crypto when I am withdrawing my money from gambling sites now I could try to look for a comfortable site on the list.

Now, if we are new to gambling, having this bucket list will be easier for us to choose which one. Not only it saves time by creating an account from one to another but with the help of this,  we all be guided by what gambling sites that offer the best services aside from the fees.

Of course, I should have to look for the site that has lower withdrawal fees aside from their market review.

guess ill just make a separate table for those gambling sites using 3rd party services (i.e. Coinswitch). will not totally remove as sometimes it will help other gamblers in some way if they are looking for options of how to change their funds to other alts without leaving the casino



looked at fairlay and will add this. yes, they do have sportsbetting and thread here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.0
thanks for the suggestion!

That is why internal exchange is extremely important or at least some kind of 3rd party suppliers who can exchange the coins within the casino and allow users to withdraw altcoins that are converted. For example I cannot withdraw 0.001 BTC from casino as I need to pay the usual fees of 0.0002-0.0003 BTC but if I pay 2-3% and convert them into TRX which is like 350-400 TRX then I can easily withdraw and the fees is like 1 TRX at worst.

I can help you with that if you want as there are some hidden features like - https://cryptogamblers.pub/exchange they provide easy exchange of coins for supported casinos. But hey I am not recommending them or anything, I have used it though and it works quite smoothly.

I don't know for others but I use stake and I exchange my coins via DinaBot which is a really cool feature if you are not aware of it and they only charge like 5% fees and that is even lowered to 3-4% if you have coupons which can be found on their thread here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106586.0

I believe having an internal exchange is good but I haven't seen that feature on any websites I have made bet on so maybe worth checking these out and would be even cool to know their exchange fees because I would always prefer Dinabot over others if the fees is higher on internal exchanges.

This website is really helpful just wondering what if scammers use this feature of internal exchange to change their hacked coins to another coins what could be the gambling site's response to this.

it depends on the gambling sites protocol about stolen coins. because if the address is not tagged as stolen or hacked address, it would be hard for them not to accept the coins as they have no basis. but that kind of situation is very possible imo.
 but most users are using the internal exchange for convenience purposes like avoiding high tx fees.

If they can found out earlier that it is came from hacked coins .then ,they can freeze the users account and ask for verification. The same method use from exchange . but if it the balance already widraw in other address then the option is only lock it so users cannot use the website again and the address sended the balance will be flagged.

Regular Dinabot fees are 3-5% (higher amount - lower fee), and for most active top users 1-3%. Comparing with other sites in first post of this topic, I wouldn't say that it's too high.

maybe time to refresh this thread, as there are new casinos that have been launched in the forum. for those players who are looking for casinos that have their own internal exchange, you can check the first post. it may help you in terms of withdrawal options, converting your coins to another coin before playing, etc.

new addition :

 dice.one  (https://dice.one/)

everyone is free to post their suggestions and will add them accordingly.

Yolodice (https://yolodice.com/) team had gone on break for a very long time now, Scott and Ethan had choose to get new perspective on the site maybe in the future or they stay offline forever.


@AmoreJaz I don't know if it's necessary to still keep Yolodice on the current list at first page, wouldn't it be appropriate if they are been removed till they come back anytime soon in the future, what do you think about this, just my suggestion though.

Glad that you are back in this thread with new update. I agree with ‘Lordhermes’, you should remove Yolodice from the list. Also do a research about Coinpot.co and remove them. Seems like they have shut down their business (not sure). And update the ‘Supported Cryptocurrencies’ chart of Bitsler, Betfury & Duckdice. Bitsler have removed some crypto from their site and the other two casino have added few many Cryptocurrencies.

Yes I confirm Coinpot has closed since several months now, by doing a big exit scam in addition. So I think this scammy gambling site should be removed from this list and be put in a blacklist of scammers and thieves.

yolodice removed. thanks. yeah, ive read such announcement from yolo as well.



coinpot.co removed, their site is also down. didnt know about their big exit scam though.
will be updating supported crypto of those sites. thanks much for the suggestions.

bitsler - before +12 other crypto, now, +8. so yes, they removed some currencies. betfury - they do add a lot of coins/tokens, duckdice - added these currencies on their list - TRX, ETC, BTT, BTG, EOS, BNB, ADA, USDC, DAI

betfury - addtl currencies : DOGE, LTC, USDC, BUSD, DAI, ETH, BNB, USDT, BTT, SUN, LINK, CHZ, BAT, ZRX, ENJ, ZIL, OMG, ONT, STORJ, GLM, HOT, UNI, SUSHI, CAKE, YFI, UMA, 1INCH, REEF, SNX, AAVE, COMP, MKR

seems that betfury is very much active in adding a lot of defi tokens here..

Yes, Betfury parades itself as a defi gambling casino thanks to their platform-owned BFG tokens. My guess is that they're trying to include the DeFi community as much as possible hence the need to list tokens used for Decentralized finance like UNI and 1nch AMM tokens. Anyway, you should add Dinabot conversion rates in OP. It's around 4-5% but can get slashed by using promo codes they post on regularly on their ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106586.120 or social channels like telegram.

Great list, useful to have this flexibility hate the idea of losing chunks of cashout to fee spikes.    Does Freebitco qualify now as you can deposit BTC but withdraw their FUN token on the ETH blockchain to some exchanges.   Its only the one choice but I think its usually BTC fees that are mostly what people are trying to avoid being caught up in and once you are out on another exchange it can be switched to anything then.

internal exchange is great to use for casinos so that we can minimize withdrawal fees. XRP is almost free. not sure if they will make it free when EOS are to be withdrawn.

i have no idea we can trade our coins with altcoins on stake.com, it's however going to be using 3rd party but i guess it's worth using when withdrawing xrp. did anyone try it with coinswitch?

added the dinabot conversion rates. thanks.


maybe, we can put freebitco under special case. you can deposit btc, buy fun, withdraw fun. but have you checked that the btc withdrawal is still cheaper than when you withdraw fun. for ex : the slow tx fee right now is 2086, & the instant is about 8869 sats. whereas, if you will withdraw fun - it will charge you 184FUN (x 61 sats/FUN) = 11224 sats and the min withdrawal is 1k FUN = 61k sats, whereas in btc the min withdrawal is only 30k sats. maybe it depends on your circumstances, which option favour you better


let's take an example here for XRP withdrawal : in bitsler, they are charging 0.0001 XRP, which at a current of $1.05/XRP >> which means you are paying $0.000105 only [yes, almost free!], for EOS, withdrawal fee is 0.05EOS at a current rate of $6.45/EOS >> $0.3225 withdrawal fee. in these 2 examples, it is best to withdraw via XRP.

and with regards to stake, i edited it as before they have 3rd party using coinswitch. now, they are only using MoonPay for buying crypto.

if you have that chance switching your coins to another alternative coin and pay lesser, for sure more gamblers will choose doing it, thanks for providing this information very helpful as gamblers are looking for every advanatages when using service from any available casinos.

I like the idea switching your fund to xrp when withdrawing it, it will charge you that little which is almost free in fiat value, very nice especially if you are in the winning side as you'll enjoy the amount of your profits(already consider the value differences between buy and sell)

Good job :) You've put together a very handy list of gambling sites with exchange functionality and I'm sure many people will find it useful. Avoiding or minimizing fees when using these sites can be a big help, especially when you're talking about smaller amounts that people tend to have in online casinos. It might be helpful to add a column with a very general listing of which games that each one supports as a quick reference tool - e.g. Slots, Dice, Blackjack, Sportsbook, Other. Listing the supported formats may also allow people to skip sites that might be incompatible to them, e.g. Desktop Website, Mobile Website, Phone App, Software

let me see if i can still add those features as the info may be too much already. one can always visit the site and check for himself though.


added :

 BetJA.com  (https://betja.com/)

supported currencies in their exchange : BTC, ETH, BCH, LTC, BNB, PM$, WM$ <<>> USDT, USDC, PM$, WM$
other avail currencies you can deposit/withdraw : XRP, TRX, DOGE (hopefully they will include this in their exchange tab as these alts have relatively cheap fees esp TRX)

note: eff exchange fee - not yet updated

added in the list :

 wintomato.com (https://wintomato.com/)

 wintomato ANN thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5345091.0)

supported currencies :
BTC, ETH, LTC, DOGE, BCH, XRP, USDT, LINK, XLM, UNI, REEF, SHIB

as of this writing their commission rate is : 4.9%
min. exchange amount equivalent to $9.8 >> you can easily check the equivalent amount of your coin on their site.

This is quite interesting. Thanks for the effective fees as well.

I feel like it's generally not a great idea to use these services unless you're actually exchanging dust amounts (under $20 of any token). Otherwise, with fees upwards of 5% of your total transaction, you could be better off copping the withdrawal fees plus the trading fees of the exchange that you work with and still come out on top.

Luckydice seems to be the only reasonable entity here in terms of fees, and even then it's 5x what exchanges generally charge.

Not sure if these sites can be added in the list but I think it's still worth mentioning as they can be helpful to others.

Rocket.run (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116550.0) have their own internal exchange (https://i.imgur.com/d69HfLz.png), they only allow SPD conversion which is the currency you get from claiming their faucet. No fees stated but there's a cap on how much you can convert.

Sportsbet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1458034.0) have a "transfer (https://i.imgur.com/4WUFtBe.png)" option that lets you convert your bitcoins to fiat and vice versa but you're not allowed to withdraw in fiat.

Claiming faucets and converting them into coins doesn't count as an internal exchange because it is more like redeeming coins you get from the faucet. I guess an internal exchange means where you can convert one coin to another without the restriction of which coin we are exchanging, as long as it is supported by the casino. But that is just me and you might be right, it might be worth adding them to the list :)

As far as the Sportsbet exchange goes, it allows you to convert BTC to fiat and vice versa but there is a catch and that is, you can only exchange BTC to fiat first, and then if you win, you can convert them back but you cannot deposit via let's say skrill and directly convert them to BTC. I mean it doesn't make sense either because otherwise people will use sportsbet.io as an exchange for USD to BTC ;D.

You are right but sometimes these internal exchanges do help. Imagine you have 0.0005 BTC and you want to withdraw, now if you are using any site they will charge around 0.0002 (I am taking the withdrawal fees of stake here) which means you get 0.0003. Now if you exchange the coins using a service like Dinabot, you can convert them to TRX or any other coin by paying like 5% fees and then withdraw which means you technically get 0.0005 - 5% which is way more than what you would get if you withdrew directly.

Similarly in bitsler when I am withdrawing small amounts, I usually convert them using their internal exchange and then withdraw because although it costs me a bit, it still saves more than enough for the few seconds it takes.

In a way it's understandable as there are people who wanted to avoid the volatility of BTC while playing and sportsbet did start as a BTC sportsbook then added fiat payments later on.

I don't use the exchange but it's kind of neat since there are sportsbook that automatically converts your BTC deposits to fiat.

Very nice list of trusted gambling sites that runs for a very long period of time already and still kicking. This will be a great help to those newbies in gambling to avoid being scammed by depositing first a certain amount to be able to withdraw their winnings. It's very convenient for them to have their own exchange for fastest transactions and also it is another way for them to increase their bankroll.

Looking forward for OP to add more trusted gambling sites that's already making its name these days.

maybe we can add this to the special case list as their SPD can be converted to BTC, ETH, LTC, XLM and XRP using their exchange tab under cashier.

right now, they have conversion factor of 1000 SPD = 1 USD = 0.00002900 BTC = 0.00047036 ETH = 0.00731903 LTC = 3.8153 XLM =  1.5455 XRP
so if you're lucky enough to increase your free SPD, you can convert it to those alts that have real value in the market.


added in the special case list :

 rocket.run  (https://rocket.run/)

Rocket.run ANN thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5116550.0)

supported currencies :  SPD conversion to BTC, ETH, LTC, XLM and XRP

AmoreJaz, could you add the information for KYC into the table, please.

KYC now is more and more requested by exchanges and gambling sites. I know we would like to use non KYC exchanges or gambling sites. If you have time, and see my idea is good, could you spend your time to update the table, please.

It will be a waste of time if the platform doesn't support many pairs. Considering that swap between crypto and fiat won't be that easy task .

The list isn't that long. You can search the KYC info for each one (websites support FIAT will surely enforce KYC, the rest need a deep chec) and list them on a table, then ask op to udate his list. Itr would easier i think.
OP has already requires KYC information in the format to suggest new website. While no KYC info in the main list .

Yeah the list isnt really that long but it would be great if it would really be putted up there and make out some updates for everybody to look at rather than on making search on your own since there are really some gamblers who do really mind off about KYC.

Its true that gambling sites and with having that instant exchange features did really changed up too when it comes to kyc and thats really a non appealing thing for us to deal off with.

Every exchange & casino always has some "KYC" is already common.

Even the casino has "anonymous feature" but as always according to the "F.A.Q" they always can ask user to do some "KYC" if have some investigation to the account. So, never believe there is no "KYC", I will give you some advice.

If you want to avoid facing "KYC" issue, play with a small money, maybe just a hundred dollars or even lower they never ask "KYC". Most of issue and experience, I read on forum while you win really big and want to withdraw a huge money the system will flag you need to be manual transaction while they have automatically withdraw if the fund is small or not exceeding manual transaction amount fund.

They will buy some time, with asking you to do KYC.

Freebitco.in and stakes.com happen to be my favorite. For freebitco.in the amazing features that makes me always run back to them is is the fortune Jack as well as the faucets. For stakes the crypto options although still not enough reason but I just love the site and it's ease. For me it's the most user friendly crypto casino I know and the first I got introduced to

I don't know but I also noticed that, if you are playing with a small bankroll and stay playing that way, there's no requirement that being asked to complete KYC.

Unless you won a huge amount of money or there are some suspicious transfer with your account, casino might ask you to provide KYC.

The last part of your statement, possible that it's a good way to buy some time before paying the client, asking for KYC before releasing a big amount of winnings. Lots of cases that being resolved once the KYC was submitted.

Thank you very much for the thread, the truth is that I had not come across this gold mine, a long time ago I was looking for this list on google.com, of course it was in a moment of emergency and then my mind does not occur to me that I have checked the forum It should be noted that now Stake.com has a very good withdrawal rate, my last withdrawal only charged me 7 thousand sats. which did not seem expensive to me, I think the low fees mean there is not much need to use an internal exchange, however I have a friend in Spain who was looking for online casinos that could deposit in TRX and ADA to play and then him withdraw your earnings (if any) to BTC.

you're welcome. i hope this list will really be of help for some gamblers here who are looking for sites with internal exchange, it may help them in terms of transfer purposes or saving fees. for TRX & ADA, i can only see duckdice supporting the ADA coin, but with TRX, there are several casinos. you can refer this thread to him and maybe he will find what he's looking for.

indeed, stake reduced its withdrawal fees to 7k, i also suggested that change to pmalek, which has his thread regarding table of withdrawal fees & withdrawal amounts on crypto casinos  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5333602.0)

also, for those who are asking about the KYC part, i put a note in the OP that all the sites so far in my list don't require KYC, so i haven't added that column. unless, some sites changed their ToS. but some i believe require KYC if you exceed their max limits, or if they feel there are suspicious activities and so on.

Highly recommend that absolutely no one use these internal services.

They essentially profit off the impatience and impulse of players who want to access another coin quickly. Fees as the table shows can go up to 5-10% easily, and spreads can contribute even more to that overall figure. Would you play a dice game where the house edge is 5% instead of 1%? Probably not.

Even using an instant exchanger gives you better outcomes than this. A bit of effort goes a long way here.

They can ask KYC if gambler submits a big withdrawal.

If I am serious about gambling, with big money on a gambling site, I will submit documents and pass KYC first, before I begin to make deposit and gamble.

I see some scam accusations that gambling sites allow customers to gamble and only after customers submit big withdrawal, they pull their KYC card. If gamblers only lose on their casinos, ok, keep up your deposit and lost bets. They don't mind about KYC.

That will not be a problem if we play gambling on the recommended gambling site or a gambling site that have reputations because they will not scam their customer and sell their data to others because that can ruin their business shortly. It is normal if someone wants to break their limit in deposit or withdraw because they do not want to have a problem in the future.

Having an exchange inside the gambling site will help a gambler to convert their coin into their favorite coins and that will use to reduce the fee that they need to pay when they want to withdraw their win money.

It's just fine to play with a big bankroll or win a huge amount of money however when it comes to big withdrawals, that's the time users will catch their attention as it triggers the bell on their system.

To somehow solve this, just withdraw by batches. But what amount can be considered as big withdrawals? I don't encounter yet an issue wherein a site asks KYC for less than $1,000 one-time withdrawal unless that site is not reputable. From there, we can then conclude that $1,000 minimum at least shouldn't trigger the bell or you won't get their attention. That was even a small amount to consider for a single withdrawal honestly. Sounds hassle to withdraw by batches if you won big but worth trying to avoid a hassle just in case.

There are actually online casinos that offer a huge minimum withdrawal without any hassle. That's the first thing that most gamblers are looking for in a certain site. Yes, the fees might be quite high which is normal but the withdrawal should be smooth. We can divide or withdraw it by batch so we won't be needing KYC.

Using the internal exchange of a casino as a mixture and erase your trace of your coins is too expensive also your are not completely untraceable since the casinos may ask you to do KYC so they can find the path of your connected wallet along with your real identity.

Dice.one website isn't accessible now. Their domain registration has expired few days ago. It's better to remove them from the list. Also update the supported coin list of Tower.bet, they support all those coins which is supported by DuckDice. And update the exchange fee of BetJA, currently the fee is 2%.

yes, thanks for that. i read that dice.one unfortunately closed down. been a while already and their stakers over there are complaining that they haven't gotten their money back because the dice had no more value when they announced about the closure. this is why players should really be careful in investing or storing their funds in a site, you'll never know their plans.

i'll go over the list and  will update the changes. thanks for those info.

I can confirm that it isn't accessible. I guess that's the reason some of the dice sites that we knew have closed down because the competition is already tough and they can no longer sustain their business and since their main focus is about dice, did they tried to upgrade and at least added some more games? Good luck to their investors and if they happen to settle it then that's good for those investors that are still in discussion unless dice.one is no longer open for any talks and they're already announced they'll no longer catering any inquiries about the stuck investments as they close.

The idea of creating such a list is a good one. This information can come in handy. But so far the list is very short.
How do you plan to develop it and fill it with new lines and names?

Maybe those are only casinos who have internal exchange. There are a lot of gambling sites here but not all of them have their own internal exchange. So if you know others, why not suggest the site and give the details as posted in the OP's format of details?

I was just thinking about Rollbit if this gambling site also belongs to this list, a gambling site that has a trading feature inside also considers has an internal exchange. I dont actually try to trade with Rollbit but upon having research I end up thinking about Rollbit too. So what do you think OP, is this possible to add?

It is good to have this list and actually I already bookmarked this, when you want to gamble and withdraw using bitcoin, you can exchange it into a cheap transaction fee altcoins.

Surprising to see Betfury have fiat support thanks to changelly. The ones that I have actually used before are the Crypto.Games that supported STRAT years ago.

Has anyone ever had experience a gambling casino that has to add funds into their exchange and coincidentally found out your swap didn't get through because the exchange has no funds in their internal exchange?  I have experienced this on Bethash.io

No problem doing batch by batch if you are really concerned with the KYC, furthermore if you won that amount and you are trying to move your winnings.

It won't affect much, though if it's not winning money that fees will hurt you up just to avoid completing the KYC requirement.

Gamblers who want to hide their identities mostly deal with this. They are aware of the fees and they still continue knowing that
it's the only way not to ask for anything but smoothly transact and play whenever they love with no trace.

I'd like to recommend bcgame to be added, considering they have an internal exchange too named "BCSwap" and yet it still missing from the list

- Site link? BC.Game (https://bc.game/)
- Supported crypto? BTC, ETH, LTC, DOGE, XRP, TRX, USDT, LINK, DOT, BSV, XLM, EOS, XMR, and BCD (their own stablecoin but doesn't have any actual blockchain)
- Supported fiat? No
- KYC? Not required
- Eff. exchange fee? I'm not too sure about this one, it might almost zero fees. 1%-1.5% for altcoins and 2.5%-3% for Bitcoin.

I was going to mention about them too. But you have done it before me. However, you have missed some supported crypto. Beside those coins they also support LINK, DOT, BSV, XLM, EOS, XMR and BCD (own developed coin by bc.game & 1 BCD= 1 USD) in BCSwap. They don't support BCH in their internal exchange service. And BSV deposits and withdrawals are under maintenance now. So it's not possible to exchange BSV as well and it gives an error message. Exchange fee is around 1%-1.5% for altcoins and 2.5%-3% for Bitcoin.

Thanks for the correction, mate. I didn't much put attention to BCH because I'm very rare use this coin in my gambling session, considering bcgame has listed BCH on their platform from a long time ago so I thought they support it for internal exchange as well. Gonna edit my earlier post asap

will be adding this site. thank you.

i've been seeing this site as it is advertised outside the forum, however, i haven't bothered to sign up so don't know that they have internal exchange all this time.


checking the trading feature in rollbit, i don't know if it can be categorised having internal exchange. because you need to place bet whether price will go up or down for specific coin. this is more of betting exchange from what it looks like. but don't know if you can trade with btc to eth for example? am not really a user of rollbit so maybe if somebody can enlighten about this crypto trading feature as i am only basing it from what i am seeing right now.

You can't buy or sell coins (like as an Exchange platform) on there then withdraw that coin, Rollbit only provides Trading Games, not an Exchange Platform
but you can withdraw your Fund in the form of coins as you wish (which are available there). Currently, the available methods are BTC, ETH, and LTC.

Your deposit in Rollbit will be converted instantly into $ Coin

Roobet does the same thing too. Both casino convert user crypto deposit into the $ value and credit it to their accounts. Then the user can withdraw the amount in any supported crypto. Should we consider it as an internal exchange service? Or OP should include them in the list by adding a special section for them.

Are you sure about that? When was the last time you played at Roobet?
You will have the same coin as what you deposited, you cannot deposit ETH then withdraw in BTC
am I wrong? :D

thanks for clarifying about that as it is really like the betting exchange not an exchange per se. maybe we can put this site under special case. let me see.
so the situation of rollbit is like betnomi, you can deposit in several alts available on their site but they will convert your coin to USD, and then, upon withdrawal, you have the choice to select from their available alts (i.e. btc, bch, doge, dash, eth, usdt, ltc, trx, xrp, zec, bni, etc) but in the case of rollbit, only btc, eth & ltc.

Yeah correct, and also the same as on Duelbits (check this one)
I have also made several deposits and withdrawals on Betnomi, their system is the same, we can withdraw with different coins (that are available on the platform)

ok now, we can include those sites in special section, which is actually nice info for those who want to withdraw their coins in different form of alt. am familiar with betnomi because was part of their sig campaign before. and they still convert your deposit to USD up until now. but they have more options now.
with duelbits, will check this as i don't have acct on this site but i know they are pretty much popular here because they have also long running sig campaign and am seeing various contests from this site.

Oh! Sorry. Last time I played there before the implementation of mandatory KYC 1 verification. That's why I forgot about it. They credit users deposits into $ value, but each coin shows separately at Roobet. Thank you for making it clear.

The gambling sites that I'm using are not listed here, I hope one day they'll come up with the same strategy to attract more gamblers and if it's not risky on their part to play with the price volatility.

Not sure if they need more licenses to operate a gambling platform like this, but it's a great addition, at least gamblers do not need to use the exchange to convert their asset into a different coin, and as long as the rate is acceptable, this should attract gamblers.

Damn, I've been playing on a lot of these sites using the internal exchange functions and didn't know that the rates are actually so bad.

Thanks for the heads up, OP.

I've probably lost around $100 just to fees alone. And this is easily avoided if I had just used any other instant exchangers that give much better rates.

It is no surprise if they have a gap in the price for the rate but I think that will not be a problem because I think the gap will not be too big. But if you are concerned about the small gap in the rates, I am not sure if you can get it from the other gambling site.

But if the fees become $100, that will not make sense and you really need to ask the support system about the fees.

@AmoreJaz, There are some changes in Dinabot exchange service. They have updated their website and changed the domain. Previously they were allowing to transfer coins between the supported casino, but now they works like an inside exchange system. Kindly update it in your post. Provide the new domain link as well. The exchange fee is still same. For more details: Dinabot *** Instant exchanger for Stake and Primedice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360184.0)

I miss the response. Kind of late.

Ok, just for follow-up, almost all casinos are allowing huge withdrawals. However, we can't assure that it will always be smooth as ever that's why it won't hurt that much if withdrawals will on batches to somehow not trigger the bell.

When I say "huge", the amount is ranging from over $5,000 minimum, at least.

Does all the listed Gambling sites are still not seeking for KYC? specially those who will only use their site as Exchange and will not play regularly?

I'm sure that there are some gamblers or at least not gamblers at all that will use their site as exchange factor only.
I believe that there are different treatment from players to non players at all.

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and also there are Gambling site that will let you deposit and play but when withdrawal comes then this where the issue goes out about KYC thing.

thanks for the updated info Mahdirakib! changed to dinabot.exchange already.


all sites listed so far don't require KYC, but haven't checked if you are a high roller, they may require you to submit your docs. so please read their ToS also regarding their limits and withdrawal requirements.

like for example, in stake - if you deposit and don't play in any of their games, and then use their exchange, and withdraw - they won't allow you. they have no wagering requirements but you need to play, even small bet, so their system will not recognise it as coin mixing, pls read under their  coin mixing policy  (https://stake.com/policies/coin-mixing). otherwise, you need to comply with their requirements.

Betnomi team has developed a newer version of the casino and they have brought changes in their deposit and withdrawal system. Now the coins are displayed separately like other normal casino. So, the coin exchanging system is no longer available at Betnomi. Maybe you should remove them from the ‘Special Case’ list now.

Well quoted above was right and the OP thread was very helpful to avoid those possible high fees that we blindly know. If we keep using internal exchange and we thought that it is free for the gambling site casino itself and then no we are wrong because they still have to charge us for the fee. However, is there any list that includes the non-KYC and KYC procedure gambling casino? I saw someone asked and I don't know where to find that kind of list but if there is no exist I think it much better if OP will perhaps include that feature.

okay, thanks for the heads up. also, it seems they change their site to betnomi.bet but their old site betnomi.com is still up. i have account in the old one but not very active, so i was familiar with the old one.


of course, there will be some sort of fee if you use their internal exchange. but you can always compare your savings if you will convert your crypto to cheaper alts like TRX or XRP, it is always your choice whether or not to use their exchange though.
most casinos offering internal exchange don't have KYC. so the reason why i didn't add another tab regarding kyc/non-kyc. but for some of them, they may have limits of the total amount you can deposit or withdraw before subjecting the player to KYC. better read the ToS of the casino you want to play with so as not to be caught in the middle when you need to withdraw.

Is it that you forgot to mention the name of the gambling company or site you are using and you think are not currently acting as an exchange and gambling sites at the same time for I would have loved to know the site maybe I may have more information about them.

Dinabot doesn't exchange funds between Stake and Primedice anymore, it works only as inside exchanger separately for each site now.

That might be possible but I think it's unlikely for casinos to perform KYC on their internal exchange because if that was the case I feel like we should've seen a similar case already. Also, I doubt using internal exchanges for bigger trades would be worth doing since they usually have bigger fees(%) or lower rates compared to the regular exchanges like Binance. Either way they're going to gamble it anyway and eventually that's up to the casino owners to decide when to pull the KYC trigger.

not all in the list have gambling license but so far, they are reputable ones in my opinion. also, with regards to kyc, most of them are not requiring kyc even if they have license. however, pls check about their limits, because if you exceed their deposit or withdrawal limits like $2k or 2k euro, some casinos may require to submit kyc. also, you can also verify from their ToS about KYC reqmts, because some of them mentioned that they will ask kyc anytime they deem necessary (i.e. stake), maybe if they are suspecting any violation from their ToS.

also, take note for example in bitsler, if you press the link under the additional notes tab, you can read from the article that the exchange is only available for bronze 2 or higher level (so somewhat there's restriction on using their exchange)

and like also in windice, when you check each coin available for exchange, it will automatically shows how much is the minimum amt that you can have before you can exchange (ex. for btc - 0.0000814, 4.587 XRP - seems that it changes accdg to market price)

Ah you're here :v
I've never used Dinabot's services before, some of my friends recommended Dinabot for asset exchange on Stake
it seems quite useful services to convert our assets, let me try next week (:

I'm always around, just mostly silent  ;D
Would love to hear your opinion after :)

Yeah I believe it's because you are so busy with your service, are you the only Admin or manager of Dinabot in this forum?
last week @paito said He had done a crypto exchange in stake using your service and all went smoothly
and also with low fee (:

I'm the only Admin, but I'm lucky woman, because I have few amazing guys who helps me  ;D

I've been using stake.com for a long time because it's more fun to use this as a gambling website. Every time I deposit into BTC they automatically convert my funds into different coins like mostly the ripple ( XRP ) the reason why I always use their exchange because they have a lower transaction fee.

Also thanks for this list I have another kind of idea so I can experience different gambling website and enjoy my money

It is nice to have a list of gambling sites with internal exchange since I want to have most of my profit and I would try to avoid using crypto with a huge transaction fee like Bitcoin. I always end up having less profit because of the high transaction fee and always wants to use other crypto when I am withdrawing my money from gambling sites now I could try to look for a comfortable site on the list.

Don't gamble to earn, gamble to have fun... if you make some profit think of it as some extra bonus, just rare earns from gambling in the long run! When it comes to which casino to choose, I can just say take a look at the main gambling page and choose the casino for yourself, most of them are great and each of them offers something different!


I didn't try Dinabot before, it's working just on Stake?

As a beginner, you're already aiming for what's quite hard to achieve. You have to experience the usual thing in gambling and if you're going to gamble and make it as a source of income, you'll barely earn. Those gamblers that are making a lot of money, they've gone through a lot of failures and experiences and that's why they've earned it today and strategize their path through gambling. Well, my advise to you is to play the usual thing and gamble experience and if you're still looking for a platform, try to play casino games with duelbits, pay them a visit.

Stake and Primedice :)

I agree, before my friend used Dinabot on these two gambling platforms and he said it is very smooth, he didn't encounter problems.
Stake and Primedice have good services when it comes to exchanging cryptocurrencies inside the platform, it's real-time and it seems like a real exchange platform. I wonder if what third-party exchange they have used?

As I noticed, a gambling casino that supported multi cryptocurrencies and usually has this feature, an internal exchange.

Not all but only a few who could make out some swapping of thei coins on other coins which i do even see some of them do make use of changelly or
chagenow 3rd party instant exchange site which you do still need to comply verification which do sucks. Im much aware about dinabot
and it might be a little bit complicated for most newbie gamblers thats why they dont intent to do so but
it is really just easy to make out such transaction.

Trust Dice , ignored?  ???

what particular site are you referring here?

because this - https://trustdice.win/, has no internal exchange. or are you talking about their bitcoin converter? (i may add this)  btw, you can always suggest the site - just provide at least the site link and i'll look over. i don't have account in some of them.

also, i guess i need to go over the list and see the updates.

I'm on your side on this. I'm a fan of cyber sport and my gambling experience comes largely from that area. When I bet for example on DOTA team which is not my favorite and those players win the game my feelings for my gain are not able to surpass my disenchantment with lay-down of  my favorite tag team. The highest enravishment for me is the case when the fun obtained by me from the game coincides with the gain from my bet.

Regarding  the list posted by OP. CryptoGames is the only service from it which is by me in my  gambling routine because I like the option of Minesweeper  to play on.

Yes, CryptoGames is a long lasting and respectable casino site. Speaking of the list of gambling sites with internal exchange from the OP's post, I had a positive experience also with: Rollbit.com, Freebitco.in, Duelbits.com, Stake.com ... however, all these sites fall under Special Cases, therefore CryptoGames is the only one to offer an internal cryptocurrency exchange I am personally familiar with.

I think many of gambling platforms on this forum has similar features just like you have mentioned which they all have their different rate. This features had help many more gamblers like myself to withdraw in other different coin which is different from the deposited token.

I am not able to find any internal exchanging feature with primedice and stake anymore. Do I miss anything regarding this? I am aware of their ranking system like higher end features are accessible/visible to only VIP gamblers but I remember I was able to use exchanging features but not right now.

If it is confirmed that primedice and stake are no more supporting the exchange feature then I guess OP might need an update to reflect the latest. Thank you.

No, there is no internal exchange on primedice and stake casinos. You can only buy crypto via MoonPay, and also, as stated in the OP, exchange coins using the third party service dinabot.exchange. I think that's exactly why Stake and Primedice are in the "Special Case" category.

It is a good functionality to offer that on the sites. You also see that more and more sites are responding to this. I am curious if you then have to deal with limits and the like, and all kinds of other verifications. That could still be a problem. In prospect, there are enough exchanges, then a gambling site would not even need that.

In my opinion, internal exchanges on gambling sites are in no way a substitute or alternative for traditional centralized exchanges. The purpose is to give players an easy option to convert different cryptocurrencies within the exchange, depending on the user's preferences, and to avoid the need to withdraw funds to external services and re-deposit them. As long as gambling sites accept different cryptocurrencies for deposits and withdrawals, there will always be a need for an internal exchange.

that's correct. they don't have internal exchange per se. the reason why it is under special case category.


also, make sure to read the ToS of the casino before using the casino as some sort of mixer. some requires wagering requirements or at least place a bet/play, before you can withdraw your deposit. because some people will use the casino to "mix" their coins for privacy purposes.
the common use of internal exchange within the casino is to convert your preferred alt to another alt with relatively low tx fees or depends on the need of the user.

There's note on the category of primedice and stake and that's why I think it's fine to be on that category of this list.

There are limits for the amount and that will depend on the account tier that you have for some of the casinos. But AFAIK, most of them have the same limits whether you get a high tier account or not. It depends on the casino where you're going to use that feature of exchange. For the most that are listed on the OP, it's noted that they don't require kyc.

Right now it has got only the buying access through third party service. Earlier it had got the swapping access with which it is possible to change from one coin to other deducting certain amount as fee. This internal exchange has got certain amount limitations, without which swapping isn't possible. Now there is difficulty of withdrawing to specific exchange and then convert it to the choice of the users.

I think you mean that the platform has an internal exchange, and that is a great option because from BTC you transfer it quickly to LTC, TRX or any crypto that has a low fee rate, apart from there are other platforms that you can transfer your deposit to A native token of the casino to play and bet and to withdraw you can pass it to any other currency that you like to make the transaction.

There is also the option of coin staking, the more you have native tokens you generate passive income in other stronger currencies, as is the case with Betfury.

not many casinos here are offering internal exchange. also, take note that some are requiring certain level before you can use their internal exchange, like in bitsler or you need at least wager your deposit at least once because you can't deposit and withdraw without betting at all. some casinos are avoiding the instances that the player will just use their casino as some type of a mixer.
and because we are already in 2022, time to review again the list and am seeing new casinos but haven't checked their cashier section if they are offering this exchange section.

just added bitkong.com. i saw that this casino has been years in gambling business but just encounter their thread as someone refresh its page.
they have long list of fiat payment options here. one of the long list that ive seen so far.


site link : https://bitkong.com/
ANN thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1214505.0
supported crypto : BTC, BTC (BSC), BUSD, ETH, BCH, BNB, DAI, DASH, LTC, MATIC, USDT, USDC, WBTC, XRP
supported fiat : USD, ARS, AMD, AUD, AZN, BDT, BRL, GBP, CAD, CNY, DKK, EUR, GEL, HKD, INR, IDR, ILS, JPY, KES, MYR, MXN, NZD, NOK, PKR, PHP, PLN, RUB, SGD, KRW, SEK, CHF, THB, TRY, AED

KYC : No , but if you are dealing with fiat, high likely that they require your credentials here.

found the review of btcgosu here -

https://www.btcgosu.com/review/bitkong/

BetHash is an old casino, and they have an internal exchange service too. I just noticed it on their website. Personally I don't have any experience of using their internal exchange service, but someone has mentioned in the past that BetHash exchange service remains empty occasionally.


Anyway, here is the details of BetHash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129963.0) internal currency exchange service.
site link : BetHash (https://bethash.io/)
supported crypto : BTC, ETH, TRX, EOS, USDT, HASH (Token)
eff. exchange fee, % : 2

Hi AmoreJaz,

Chips.gg (https://chips.gg/landing) also has a swaps feature on their casino. It's available at the following link: https://chips.gg/landing?modal=Rewards&tab=swap.
The fees depend on the rank of the player.

You can add this to your table if you want.

@AmoreJaz, you are active in the forum, but I'm wondering why you haven't updated the information in the table which has been provided by Pmalek. Aren't you following your thread on a regular basis?

BTW, remove BetJA.com from the table. The website isn't available anymore.
Have you heard about NanoGames.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105754.0)? The website is similar to bc.game. NanoGames has internal exchange system too.

site link : NanoGames (https://nanogames.io/)
supported crypto : BTC, ETH, BNB, LTC, DOGE, TRX, BANANO, USDT, NANO, NND (Token), NNL (Token)
eff. exchange fee, % : Same as Bc.game

- I just noticed some gambling games in the ones you listed Sir because I often play on the wintomato platform, and the altcoins I use to play are dogecoin, litecoin and the fiat stablecoin is usdt. Now I'm just wondering here on the wintomato platform, if you use altcoins to play and when I withdraw, the withdrawal fee is cheap, but when the usdt you used is equal to this, the point is reached that you want to withdraw from wintomato using the usdt has a very high withdrawal fee of -19-20$, do you think OP why is this charge of wintomato so high? I just don't know if you have tried my experience with wintomato. Thank you ;)

when it comes to USDT, you should check the network that you want to withdraw to. if it is an erc 20, they charge $19, whereas, if it is TRC20, the fee is $11. tron network is relatively cheaper than ERC20. in some casinos, their USDT(TRC20) withdrawal fee is much cheaper. another option also is you can exchange first your usdt to any other alt with cheap fee like LTC. check also the min exchange amount if you will avail it. remember, when it comes to ERC20, most casinos really charge high as the gas fee is known to be expensive up until now.

@Mr. Magkaisa it's not that wintomato charge a high fee but it's because that is the standard fees of eth up until now. If you are using a stable coin, you can follow the advice of @Amorejaz which use a trc20 network if it's available but I see that even on this network they still charge a whopping of 11 dollars.

I think that was a lot but usually, tron related transactions are much cheaper than that like under a dollar fee only. The only best thing that you can do is to not use a stable coin when gambling on this platform. Altcoins are a still a good choice anyway for gambling, not only because their fees are low but they can also fluctuate less.

^ USDT on TRC20 used to be much cheaper like a dollar, $11 seems too much already. When people discover how low it is to make transactions thru trx20 USD, it gradually increased. Have not tried USDT on Polygon but I bet it must be cheaper than that. Only a few casinos supported MATIC however is only the list.

Like @Mr. Magkaisa said, Doge still is a good alternative for withdrawing if not XRP. The casino that supports more altcoins is Betfury so far.

been long time that i haven't updated the list. apologies for that. yes, will remove betja as i was also wondering the site was down already. this bookie didn't survive, huh! i had some satoshis on that site as i was betting some on their sports before. good that it is not much.

will add nanogames. thank you for this addition.


will add as well. thank you. and yes, the swap fee depends on your level so maybe the Tycoon V level has free swap fees already. you can also buy crypto within their site by using their 3rd party partners (guardarian, changelly and moonpay), so up to you which one you will use. maybe check their rates first.

on this note, just saw a new site also introduced in the forum and will be adding also in my list.

site link: https://okb99.com/#/
supported crypto : USDT, TRX

You took ages to update this thread! Still I'm happy to see that you have the intention to update this thread in order to help the gambling community. Anyway, you should recheck the "Supported Cryptocurrencies" of each casino to update the table with accurate data. Most of the casinos have added new coins within last few months. Here is a little update for you.

• Duelbits: Add SOL, XRP, BNB, APE, USDT in Duelbits supported cryptocurrencies list.
• Rollbit: Add SOL, APE, USDT, USDC. They are allowing to deposits in some other crypto too. But they have added those 4 crypto only for withdrawal
• Stake: Add BNB, MATIC, LINK, UNI. Stake.com added a lot of new crypto, but the Dinabot exchanger has added those 4 new crypto only.

thanks much for those info. aside from additional currencies, i believe some also removed alts in their exchange list. those alts that are not very active anymore in the trading market.
well, hopefully some gamblers are finding the use of the exchange tab inside the casino esp if they are looking for options on how to cut back on withdrawal fees.

Nitrobetting recently added a new LTC withdrawal option due to which you can withdraw your BTC(Only deposit option in this site) as LTC minimising the fees to a large extent. Completed a large withdrawal using this method recently myself.

This is why I advise adding this site to your list op. Every crypto gambling site should provide an internal exchange option which is especially useful when BTC TX fees are high.

@AmoreJaz, Some changes are needed on the "Gambling sites using Third Party Services" section. Dinabot doesn't provide the exchange service to Primedice users. They have disabled it a few months ago. Dinabot is still working for Stake users and the exchange fee is 3%-5% normally. On the other, a new exchanger (Poorbot.io (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479380.0)) has started their journey for Stake.com users. They are providing the service with a 0.3% exchange fee rate.

wow been a while that i haven't updated my list. received couple of PMs to update my list and such gesture is greatly appreciated as this list needs updating already. with the high btc transaction fees, i guess gamblers are now finding alternative options not to use their btc or at least withdraw other alts with cheaper fees, and the internal exchange service would be of great help for them.

for the moment, i'll be adding the below suggestions. will be reviewing again my list for updates.


added nitrobetting in the list. thanks Haunebu. but the effective exchange fee, i'll put as depending on the current exchange rate for the moment. actually, most of the sites are now to be reviewed regarding this feature.


added poorbot.io in the comments under stake.com section. thank you very much mahdirakib.